Thread 7632935

f you are a /int/ermediate or /beg/inner in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
DO NOT REPLY to crabs, nodraws, talent debates or howies and instead focus on posted works!

>STICKY:
Completed: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vm4IJpq0Mbvb-Krl5_mJ_m6TsC_qjsaN/view
New collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
w/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/
Hardcore: https://hackmd.io/7k0XRnIQR6SValR77TDfZw?view

>WHERE to get study materials
annas-archive.org
>>>/ic/artbook
>>>/ic/video

>Want to practice figures?
quickposes.com
sketchdaily.net
characterdesigns.com
lovelifedrawing.com
posemy.art
line-of-action.com

>PYW and give your feedback
What can be improved?
Are there any resources videos or books you'd recommend to them?
Maybe a redline or a technique, be specific.
Try to reply to someone as you post your own work.

>Cool teachers
Glenn Vilppu
Michael Hampton
Steve Huston
Brent Eviston
Marco Bucci
Andrew Loomis
George Bridgman
Hikaru Hayashi

>Cool books
Keys To Drawing
Drawing With the Right Side of the Brain
How To Draw Comics the Marvel Way
The Art and Science of Drawing
Framed Perspective
Figure Drawing For All It's Worth
The Complete Guide to Drawing From Life
Last: >>7631026

>>7632935 (OP)
>DO NOT REPLY to crabs,

...and the banner is epitome of a seething crab in a bucket. what?

THREAD CHALLENGE
THREAD CHALLENGE
THREAD CHALLENGE

doing the spherical forms chapter of Vilppu

since no OP ever posts male ones, I'll do it.
male thread challenge: grandpa edition.

>>7632952
not sure why its rotated. im sure you guys can figure it out.

>>7632952
i hate that fucking model. Love drawing bara dudes but most of them do really boring poses, better to just exaggerate a twink.

>>7632935 (OP)
I literally just posted. But we made a new thread. Im looking for some help and guidance on the circled foot.
Please and thank you fellow anons

>>7632955
That's a good pose, that guy also looks fun to draw, can easily read the muscle groups, is this from a site or a pack?

>>7632957
https://grafitschool.gumroad.com/l/ybeolg

>>7632959
ah shit its paid, that's a good pack though, the distorted lens especially, i'll have to save the link for later

>>7632960
there are tg groups where you can download basically everything. I like posespace too because the free previews are at a high enough res to actually draw

https://www.posespace.com/posetool/default.aspx

>>7632959
post it

>>7632942
he looks like he will eat my soul if i steal his candy
10/10

cute monk I like this one

>>7633040
i meant to reply to >>7632988

https://youtu.be/ehz-lF3UwqQ

Damn everytime I see kjg vids on my feed I feel like I made a wrong life choice.
I lived near where Kim jung gi teached when I was in high school and univ, and I chose to learn economy... I went to nice univ, but had to drop out later because of mental illness to become a neet.
I wanted to learn art but I thought I would suffer from being jobless and learning econ would be better.
But now I as i dropped out I am a neet. If I learned art even if I dropped out I would have developed a good skill (from learning from king kjg for 3 or 5 years) and would be doing what I liked.
Don't be like me and choose the right choice. maybe AI will replace us so meanwhile doing what you want might be a better thing.

trying to improve my visual story telling

fucked up the proportions bigly on this one but I think I got the vibes right
it's gore magala and shagaru magala from monster hunter but as a human father and son

>>7632947
todays sketch

>>7633089
ugh fixed version can't believe I made such a dumb mistake

>>7632988
tired of seeing these gay monkey people

We got gay deer people and gay monkey people. Why do people enjoy drawing gay animals

>>7633098
dont bully him

>>7633040
thank you :3
i like her colours

>>7633099
sorry anon, threads been taken over by women. adapt or die

>>7633099
bc it gets my pee pee hard

>>7633104
typical

>>7633099
the deer fucks women too, don't do him like this
>>7633102
he's so sad ......

>>7633111
>the deer fucks women too
I don't give a fuck, if you insist on drawing furry porn go to /fag/ with your ugly obese faggot OC

>>7633115
he's not a furry they wouldn't let me in

wow people really hating on the cute monke and deers this thread
anyway finished this, cba to put effort into the bg

>>7633111
he didnt have his cummies yet
he will be happy when he has them
(this is after he has his cummies)

>>7633111
whats are his preferences

>>7633122
i like the way you did his hair

>>7633118
thats racist against deerman species

i draw way more women than fagslop lately its kind of a shame.....
>>7633122
came out really good very expressive
>>7633125
cute guys/twinks and tomboys/boyish women
he has human skin so he's not technically really furry at all by western fur standards
sort of kemono adjacent
this girl kinda has more animal features than him

>>7632944
how do you know someone is a crab?

man everything looks worse the day after you finish it...
>>7633122
i kneel
>>7632947
based big lover, also looks great

>>7633133
FUCK i just realised i didn't do the leather clasps, well who cares im probably gonna try and rerender it since it looks like ass

>>7633133
this is so close to bring amazing, could you try adding a bit more detail to the face for me?

I had one single drawing where I suddenly understood gesture and now I can’t get that feeling back and I want to cry

>>7633127
he has good taste
monkey likes , for lack of better word, mommys
and feminine men, like the guy on the left here
or just , big hairy men

oh yeah she does, deerman only has his horns and ears right?
>>7633131
i would kinda like to know too

>>7633146
he has a tail but it's small and chopped and a bit of a funny nose thing but otherwise he's more or less just a human with very unusual proportions and a lot of hair

I need to draw something for bikiniday but I am scared.

>>7633150
Don’t be scared anon, draw those tittys, or lack of

>>7633155
i cant...

>>7632935 (OP)
Is there a way I can improve my copy and observation abilities? is there a course or something like that I can use?

>>7632956
last thread i replied, i drew it shitty but i dont think the ankle is supposed to bend in the way you have drawn it, it would be broken af

Aiza time :3

whats wrong with the body

>>7633181
post moar...

is this AI
https://x.com/PayetVore/status/1941193619001745805

egh

>>7633189
Looks exactly like Tomboychad's work wtf

Gassing up Aiza and Cyclops' drawings while knowing both of them are quickly approaching one year of drawing is some truly evil crab shit.

>>7633195
Youre right
Tomboy chad was trained by subu, subu posted his alt looking for students, I am assuming tomboyfag added him. We all know Subu uses AI

>>7633189
Looks like a paint over of real feet or just heavy referenced

>>7633195
based styleblindness

>>7633201
He also trained LunaticSoda who started just tracing AI in his general.
>>7633199
They have nothing on permabegschizo, Pawell and SHARKCHAD.

>>7633207
Only permabegschizo remains now... At least we have replacements.

>>7633208
>Only permabegschizo remains now
He is dead.

>>7633199
Cyclops' drawings unironically have more soul than half the shit posted here, they also seem to enjoy drawing unlike many of the artists here.

>>7633207
Subu has shitted up the artists here grooming them to use AI, its sad really

>>7633212
Proof he uses AI?

>>7633209
He was chimping out last thread

>>7633212
I played in a gartic lobby with them a while back and they seemed to be skilled enough to produce a lot of the work they post, where are the accusations for AI coming from?

Someone please post the subu AI image

from imagination, hm, may ink them and finish them up a bit

>>7633220
it looks like they reference AI/pictures but still redraw and paint things themselves. I'd call them more of a reference fag than an AI fag to be quite frank.

>>7633223
this thread is becoming way too pro ai and ai compassionate, cringe

>>7633220
That second image is really funny because it just a redraw of his own drawing lmao

can someone at least point me to some reference for this pose

>>7633222
Damn, i see some nice potential

>>7633195
you're wrong

>>7633230
do you want a pack with a lot of similar poses? i can msg you one on discord it should have one that matches

>>7633232
thanks! I'm really happy with how much better my drawings from imagination have been as of late, feels like my visual library is getting better

>>7633223
>it's ok when ai solves all composition, anatomy and perspective problems for me
>this is still my og work so please give me likes :)

>>7633238
If it's so easy then do it and get likes :)

>>7633240
couldn't care less about social media
I dtraw because I like it
something subuck wouldn't get

>>7633224
I'm just calling it how I see it. In that picture it only shows one verifiably AI image and a lot of other images that just show they reference other artists without giving credit. That's scummy behavior, but if there's one thing I've learned over the years, is that bitching about other people and their success isn't going to make me any better as an artist, it'll just make me miserable and bitter. If that's the road they want to take then so be it.

>>7633242
>subuck
kek

>>7633246
well deserved for an ai cuck

>>7633245
this makes me wonder if people will shit on me if i use other artists poses

>>7633209
He's alive but he has more tantrums than drawings

>>7633235
okay

Fuck you.

the funnier thing is none of you realize subu is who's been doing the redlines that's not jp file name guy lol

>>7633248
They will if it's a 1:1. It takes a lot of skill and mastery to come up with original poses and compositions. The thing is, the whole point of learning fundies and drawing from imagination is to get to a level of mastery where you end up making the art people reference. It's like, why shit on other people for taking shortcuts when you're purposefully walking the path less traveled? Normies don't give a fuck about what effort or mastery an artist has, they care about if it makes them feel good. Being a commercial artist is recognizing that.

>>7633251
Such is the fate of the talentless.

>>7633254
that would explain why it looks bad

AI is tool, adapt or perish

>>7633230
why are you trying to do without reference in the first place?

>>7633265
?? draw? the fuck else?

>>7633268
nta but begs shouldn't do that

>>7633269
good thing im not beg and if i were i wouldnt listen to some faggot telling me what i can and cant do

>>7633272
yeah, you're a beg, arrogant fool
ngmi

just realized I inked on the paper I can't color on. I'm going to kill myself

>>7633273
pyw fag

Hey /ic/, early beg here, as in I literally started learning perspective yesterday and I do not know any other fundamentals like anatomy etc.

Please critique.

I have no idea what's relevant to critique and what's not so I'll share everything I can think of about the methodology:
>Random pose drawn from imagination
>All the anatomy is made up of prior subconscious observations
>poor attempts at shading to highlight depth for 3d stuff.
>Two point perspective, horizon passes through the head
>Not done with a ruler, just eyeballed everything to feel like a pro. Everything is freehand, no lines are clean I guess.
>Done with a "B" hardness pencil on an old notebook paper (I don't really understand pencil hardness so any resource to read on that alongside other art equipment would be very helpful, thanks in advance).

Thank you.

>>7633264
Where you born without Atman or did you lose along the path?
Upsetting either way

>>7633278
MOGS me

just draw trad and then ai doesn't matter

>>7633281
There is this guy on twitter who just copies slop on trad and people eat it up.
That said, he can copy everything really damn well.

>>7633283
>>7633281
>Just a reference bro
>Even his linktree is an ai site.
Lmao
https://x.com/ashwin_artss/status/1929974600492036453

just draw for fun instead of as a career and then u don't have to care about ai
i feel really bad for careerfrens

>>7633263
seconded

>>7633268
you're getting frustrated trying to draw a pose you don't have the memory for. you're not going to be any better overwhelming yourself trying to figure it out without reference

>>7633287
thats why im asking for reference here?

https://files.catbox.moe/h6phri.mp4
17 minutes for this, i dont draw women often enough.
ill keep trying to refine it a little bit better

>>7633280
I don't understand what that's supposed to mean honestly, but okay anon.

>>7633293
Mogging him means you have asserted dominace by showing a better drawing skill than he is able to put out. So, you're doing good, keep going

>>7632945
>>7633185
Here

>>7633298
give her a penis

>>7633297
Ah okay, thanks. I was hoping for more critique but motivation is cool too I guess.

Thanks anons.

>>7633302
honestly, you have just started, so giving you any critique is not going to help you. all you need to do right now, is to just draw. increase your milage.
once you've drawn, and get to the /beg/ level, you will be able to study anatomy slowly, little by little, and increase your skill.

>>7633210
This. Cyclops' drawings, while beg are always drawn with genuine care. You can tell they actually like drawing. Permabegschizo seems to hate drawing with every fiber of his being, but still draws for some reason

Hi guys, /beg/ here. How did the drawing of the Warlock turn out?

>>7633299
No :c

>>7633306
i love it, is she an oc? can I draw her?

>>7633230
>>7633272
>good thing im not beg
Looks like you don't have the self-awareness talent.

>>7632945
today is not a good day :(

>>7633278
Welcome to the club :)
Just keep doing and you get better grasp for it and learn what it is what you need to improve.

>>7633311
Of course you can! She's one of my players DnD characters for a oneshot, it would be cool to see others drawing of her :)

>>7633313
pyw

>>7633323
I'm beg too, possibly even worse than you. I hope one day you'll get over whatever mental illness you have that prevents you from self-critiquing properly so you can improve. Good luck.

>>7633324
actual crab mentality

>>7633326
>stop being comfortable making shitty drawings and vastly over-appraising your own skills
Learn what crab means.

how do I give my art "soul"
more monhun monsties as people

>>7632945
not feeling it rn

>>7633329
you need to have a soul in the first place

>>7633318
well done

>>7633324
do you genuinely think that person is beg? lol. what do you consider int then?

>>7633332
I'm screwed

>>7633331
What is that thing between her legs?

>>7633336
That is a gigantic fallus.

>>7633320
awesome, I'll draw her when I feel up to drawing
>>7633336
i was going to draw a penis but I realized I didn't feel up to drawing rn

>>7633278
It seems like you are aimless and try to include a bit of everything because you don't know what to do really. You are at a point where it's hard to give genuine direct critique on your drawing that doesn't amount to "everything".
I suggest trying to draw from reference, hit up the reference sharing thread or just try to join the regular thread challenges. It's good to see what you can do with the ref and how other drawanons handle it, at least for me that was helpful at times to figure out where I went wrong.

Additionally, get some clear paper, lined paper is the F tier of all paperkind it messes the most with your perception. B pencil is fine, that's all you need as a prebeg for basic sketching and studies. If you take a photo of your drawing make sure to use your flash function or have good lighting, the picture you've taken is low quality itself, it's blurred and not properly in focus.

good luck

to be exact I don't feel up to drawing with a reference idk why but using references often drains my desire to draw

>>7633334
Everyone here is a beg, if he was int he wouldn't be asking for a reference

gettin back to it

>>7633278
don't worry about perspective or anatomy until you could generally recall the form of a pose like this by itself
you aren't going to be able to rotate a figure around and put it in perspective as an early beg. keep using reference
>>7633306
kino
>>7633329
even shitty art has soul unless it's like one of those photorealistic pencil copies of obama's face or some shit on youtube

>>7632956
Really cool illustration, dude. I gave it a try, I think you were almost there. It just needs to follow the orthogonal vector from the knee. The foot almost always follows the same direction as the knee (unless it's under heavy load, like during squats).
One recurring pattern I see in this type of pose is that the leading leg is moved into the background, while the power/pushing leg is placed in the foreground with a different vanishing point. I think it creates a nice triangular silhouette.
Another thing I noticed is that her pushing leg’s quad looks too short. Just an idea.

Show results this is really cool.

>>7633306
the staff is incredibly cool

>>7633290
try starting form the hip or chest and see if it helps with the sketching stage. the heels look cool

>>7633328
>NOO DONT DO THAT STOP CLIMBING, YOURE NOT ALLOWED
thats what crab means
also its not shitty just could be better

trying some animation following the beat
with beat: https://files.catbox.moe/j6wgte.webm

>>7633079
the horse is so cool, looks engaging

i have a new straight slop oc idea about an artist male and a woman who can "shapeshift" to befit his artistic vision no matter how absurd so basically she's his art but I need the motivation to design them

>>7633359
ok

>>7633333
thanksies :)

>>7633173
I 200% agree.i onows its super fucked
I tried a few at that angle they also felt off. (Not implying youre wrong just saying im /beg/ and my eyes and mind couldn't identify the issues) Ill try again and post that one for more help.

why are all of the decent artists in the thread getting crabbed way more aggressively than the actual beg ones

>>7633345
drawing from imagination is just drawing from the reference you've created in your head. in any case you need to compartmentalize your challenges and make it as easy as possible on yourself if you genuinely want to improve.
>drains my desire to draw
yeah because it directly shows what you can do vs what it should look like. It's gut wrenching at the beginning, but you need to channel this feeling of inadequacy to better yourself.

>>7633367
Because crabs can't draw themself well or they are stuck in stugnation, so seeing someone that is actually improving make them unreasonably angry.

>>7633365
Cute
Like you

>>7633367
crabs pull the ones back that want to leave the bucket not the ones that are at the bottom already.

>>7633374
brutal

Colored yesterdays doodle.

>>7633371
it isn't about that the accuracy doesn't matter I just don't enjoy the process as much, honestly I don't really care about accuracy as much as most people I think especially regarding proportions/anatomy, I just find it doesn't flow.

>>7633376
so cute. Good job anon.

>>7633376
draw her feet or crop higher you piece of shit

>>7633372
>>7633374
it's wild because it's always people who can actually draw they crab, can't help but be bitter toward other people's successes

glhhhhhhh

>>7633386
Mr Midoriyama, w-what are u wearing?

>>7632935 (OP)
where the fuck are the images ?

>>7633303
>>7633319
Thanks, I guess I'll just keep drawing till the stage I can understand the fundamentals. I should just keep trying them once in a while right?

>>7633343
I see, yeah, it's not nice to the eye but that's what's confusing me. Despite having seen so many humans, I can't seem to draw what some particular part would look like with imagination. But thanks anon, I'll take the critique and advice.
I guess I'll attempt the thread challenge then (picrel (I ran out of page so I couldn't complete it, sorry)).

And ruled paper is the cheapest resource I have lmao. I'm from a relatively poor country and clear paper, even the cheapest one, is a luxury sometimes.

>>7633348
I think I have a strong spatial understanding of 3d figures. I can rotate them easily in my mind and roughly project what they would look like, same with posing. I just can't seem to fill in the mental details on the 3d image in my mind. Also complicated poses scare me when I try to draw from imagination.

>>7632945
Looking back i dont think the open sides were a good idea
>>7633138
thanks anon, i'll try it later today but i'm not too confident when it comes to rendering faces

I wish I hadn't given up, but what other choice was there for me?

>>7633401
Why are you still here?

>>7633402
I tried again today, only was able to draw for about 10 minutes before being called back to work. The result was as bad as before I even started practicing. Whatever skills I once had built up, real or imagined, is now forever lost.

>>7632945
>>7633398
Okay, a miniscule amount of time has passed, so I think I'll be able to see my own flaws.

Looking back, I think I made her face a bit too smal compared to her bodyl and her hands feel out of proportion to each other.

Also the hair on the right side of her face (left of the image) look sparser to me.

I think I got the perspective more or less right though.

>>7633290
found some time to do it
total time around 40m
https://files.catbox.moe/a9ajcn.mp4
>>7633350
>try starting form the hip or chest and see if it helps with the sketching stage. the heels look cool
how would that help?

how do I paint fish? :pleading_face:

drawing hurts today

how far off from high beg am I?

>>7633131
1) misdirects you to unfixable problems 2) has trouble articulating problems 3) motivates you towards inaction 4) intolerance for disagreement 5) resents autonomy 6) makes petty accusations

I think if someone does 3 of these things I'd start thinking it's possible they're a crab. i think the message of OP is "ignore people that aren't offering direction and are kinda just shitting the place up."

where is lol splashart anon

Kill the crab in your mind

>>7633220
>>7633238
at this point why not just go straight to prompting lmao
practically everything is just lazy copying

>>7633445
who tf is splashart anon

>>7633445
i noticed a bit ago that the same guy who crabs me about being talentless is the same guy who constantly posts about me sexually. awkward.... crabs are fascinating

>>7633452
;3

Any advice for wedging myself out of an unwilling art break?
I stopped drawing a week ago because I was struggling with consistently doing it, so I figured maybe it was burnout and took some time off, but I'm still not feeling the spark...help please

>>7633464
I think you don't like to draw

how bad is it so far?
the torso is bothering me a lot

>>7633464
Just draw.
Or don't. What do you really want to do right now?

>>7633445
> splashartanon
did you mean permabegschizo?

>I think I have a strong spatial understanding of 3d figures.
what you posted definitely does not show that. i mean the basic placement and proportions of some of the body parts aren't even right. you can't do this or "fill in the details" because you need to have a reference of the pose already in your brain, or a couple of references for each part of it

>>7633423
>>7633423
>>7633423
>>7633423
>>7633423
anyone?????

>>7633449
What's a crab? I've read it used a lot but I'm new here.

>>7633398
>>7633473

>>7633474
find higher quality reference
looks decent doe

>>7633467
stop drawing loli, degen

>>7633473
i think rotating forms in your mind also doesn't apply to drawing a lot i can rotate 3d forms in my mind rlly well and suck at drawing 3d

>>7633473
Fair. I just cannot imagine a detailed 3d human I guess and then bringing it to paper confuses me very much.

could it be that i don't actually like to draw but i just like gooning to drawings?

Lost my travel container of favorite markers. Had to start the collection over

>>7633479
yah that's a better way of putting it
>>7633482
nobody can when they're first starting, people that can have built their visual libraries up so much that they can fill in the blanks and mix and match body parts where it makes sense

>>7633476
it comes from the the phrase "crabs in a bucket"

>>7633376
I drew a really off model meg for an anon less week i think

>>7633490
I see. Thanks anon(s).

>>7633494
Makes sense.

>>7633350
Thanks anon. I'll try and work in your edits.
I really do appreciate the help. I know the piece is a bit out of my skill level but im trying to push myself.
Its not a comission or nothing. Its just for me.

>>7633396
>>>7631026
>>7631026

>>7633373
no u xx

>>7633445
Man mods really don't give a single fuck about this place. Half of posts on /ic/ break these rules

hey guys im new to art i just made this using aseprite, do you like it?

i tried finishing it with mono colors bc that seems to be my favourite hobby but
somethings off

>>7633365
she looks so happy

>>7633516
nice cock

>>7633516
I have given up with beg threads, this is it. I FUCKING HATE BEGS. GIVE UP AND FIND ANOTHER HOBBY RETARD.

>>7633529
i made another gif, i hope you like it

talent

Speaking of gifs, I got advice from a friend and used liquefy to fix it. Advice nobody could have given me here because everyone here is a bunch of crabs.

Hey, at least my art is on the banner now ;) More publicity, no longer invisible like most people who post, get no advice, leave and then never come back.

The fact someone went out of their way to glaze me and nobody else really says someone here is a crab with a crush <3

>>7633550
...edrats deserve to die

>>7633565
...and burn in hell for eternity

>>7633563
God you type like such a gay faggot bro shut the fuck up

>>7633568
I love you too <3 :3

>>7633571
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFAGGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT

>>7633572

- Gets covered in your cummies -

You have such a strange moan!

>>7633576
HAHAHA i am dying
please continue

>>7633579
I just have art.

Admittedly this ones not great, there's no form beyond the mask but I am proud of the rendering so far.

>>7633464
I just do some gesture drawings or fuck around on Twitter until someone asks the crowd to draw his OC or something. It's like going to the gym, the hardest part is driving there.

>>7633583
back to /fag/ you go

>>7633565
How do you know if someone is a real talented rat

>>7633592
..deersis?

>>7633593
when they progress from the most beg shit youve seen in your life to int in 3 months, like i did

>>7633597
who are you

Anyone into men's butts?

i made the small one look like a tragic Victorian being
>>7633582
i love it

>>7633592
those hips aint lying, shakira shakiraaaa

>>7633592
dropped this: i like the drawing,

>>7633597
no one who says this is ever actually int

>>7633597
tomboyCHAD...

from last thread challenge

>>7633604
Bruh

>>7633608
they all knew.

>>7633605
>>7633607
>>7633595

>>7633597
pyw

>>7633630
d-deersis??

>>7633601
>>7633608
>>7633619
>>7633631
no. you'll just crab me like always

>>7633636
>like always
oh nahh you actually are a beg LMAOOO

>>7633636
I've never seen someone actually good being crabbed, all they can do is acusing you of AI which means you're actually good

>>7633633
it's A Day

>>7633642
hi Subu

>>7633642
hi subu

>>7633642
hibi subu

>>7633605
Thank you.

If you want some critique, I like that you're taking vague inspiration from traditional chinese artworks but I would say your line confidence needs some work.

>>7633645
>>7633646
>>7633648
rent free

my schizophrenia is acting up today i can't draw cohesively at all

>>7633657
Meds. Now.

>>7633657
Deersis...

>>7633637
2nd Page done. I fixed two typos in the first page. I really need to keep the previous page at sight, to avoid changing faces and designs in every fucking new page. That's a real problem I have. I'm shit at consistency on character design.
>>7632877
>Take it slow peril, if you don't have a clear story you want to do right now
Thank you anon! Oh, I have the story clear.. it's just that, you're right about the motivation thing, I really need to avoid other stuff to not get tempted to "abandon ship" in pursuit of random "mermaids" singing some pretty random shit, lol
>>7633122
Wow, I really admire artists doing those elaborated monochrome manga style renderings and backgrounds. I don't know how you guys do that. Like that tree on the window. Mad envy.
>>7633147
I still love this figure, look at her face! Nice one Tremor!
>>7633183
Nothing is wrong, great figure, she looks perfect. I like her torso, triceps and legs proportions, Saved.
>>7633290
I love this! I like her legs
>>7633298
Great work on that hand and arm foreshortening, and the face is perfect
>>7633365
You do the most beautiful faces anon!
>>7633386
SAVED!!!!!
>>7633435
Tremor? This is my favorite work from you in this thread

>>7633654
i would love to have some critique :3
but it does, i need to take some more time cleaning up the lines too

''I like that you're taking vague inspiration from traditional chinese artworks ''
i Love traditional chinese works
they look very simple but are nice to look at

>>7633630
HAHAAHAHAH
b-but does she give milky?

>>7633672
yes, she does
>>7633667
that was me thank you peril i am glad you enjoy it
i am really enjoying the expressions and facial structure on the guy in your new piece, very interesting stuff and not something I've seen from you much before. he's handsome, in an odd way. desperate with an endearing face
>>7633664
correct

>>7633667
Thanks for the two (You)'s peril!
I enjoyed reading that second part. Curious to see where the story goes from here.
>monochrome manga style renderings and backgrounds. I don't know how you guys do that. Like that tree on the window. Mad envy.
It's mostly just hatching and screentones, nothing too elaborate! I do sometimes post videos of my process where it shows up so if you ever have time you can check those out when i post

>>7633676
ahhh food
>>7633667
oh this looks fun

>>7633563
What is the inspiration for your style.
Maybe i could appreciate it more if i understand its inspiration

>>7633687
Check the OP banner. Are you blind?
I posted it in the last thread and a diehard fan made every post I made the posterchild of beg/int

>>7633443
i like these. there's a soulful skewness to them.
my unqualified take is to keep going, and brave focusing on the skull, feet and hands. I think that would lvl up your drawings

How does your process looks like when doing detailed drawings? Just a sketch and then finished linework? I usually do a really rough sketch, then I polish it a bit, then do the linework on a different layer. Sometimes I do two different sketches before the linework. Am I being stupid?

how do you draw feet so delicious?

>>7633702
Yuno's toes are the best thing in the whole world.

>how
Practice anon. Practice hard. Think about them toes!

ok this one was really challenging, I half used a reference for the general posing but made changes to it
more monhun autism
shogun ceanataur inflicts bleed status attacks, for reference. they're both like giant hermit crabs hence the baseball caps
plus the hermit shells are skulls in game so I have it a skull design
plus shogun and daimyo are Japanese words so I have him a wakazashi instead of a normal pocket knife, but I didn't draw it very well
still, I think it turned out cute

>>7633702
jerk off to feet a lot unironically

I dont know what to do to next. I can copy. Draw a line. I know the theory behind perspective and anatomy. Watch the all kinda of methods and processes on yt. And I know what i am supposed to do in theory, but i just cant draw. I cant draw pretty face. Sexy pose. Or i cant colour. I just reach end of the line and no matter how many times i repeat the theory - set eye level, composition, forms should overlap, etc. All that mantra... I draw something i dont want to. It's not that i am not inspired, but i cant draw clothes, items... Just same beg tier nude silhoutte with no volume. And i dont know what to do, my brain just cant process it.

>>7633692
I think youre assuming i was in last thread. I was not

Is the bottom images of op your inspiration and the top left the pose you chose?
Or
Are the bottom images of op more of your work and the top left is your inspiration?

>>7633741
Dollfag?

>>7633709
does nobody like this :(
I thought it turned out ok

>>7633751
fujos arent welcome here

>>7633665
Bruh

>>7633743
yes

>>7633709
cute cutties

>>7633755
I can't be a fujo, I have a penis
also fujos definitely are welcome here lol

>>7633757
The super high resolution hides your lackluster sketchlines and lineart.
Very solid copies but I feel like you are again escaping from drawing cute and funny sluts.

>>7633755
Who's welcomed here?

>>7633758
yay ty

>>7633756
bruh what, I think the guy looks cool

are there any good resources for drawing horses

cute and funny deer

>>7633764
Nigga.

>>7633665
>>7633756
There's "chicken scratch", and then this...

>>7633765
Nigga

how do I achieve this level of artistic talent?

>>7633770
Lol. It's just a sketch man. Why people get so worked up about it? The final version will look fine

Time only allowed a short one today. Tomorrow i'm probably gonna try drawing just hand/feet/heads so i an better grasp those, maybe some animals too.
As promised yesterday, here are the videos (though i dont think they are interesting). It's sorta embarrassing to record yourself drawing, so to get used to it i played some cringe music in the first two (its unfair to be the only one embarrassed), so mute it if you don't want to hear. (Also ignore videos if you don't care for them - some anons asked in the other thread)
~10x1 minute gestures: https://files.catbox.moe/l7n56c.webm
~5x2 minute gestures: https://files.catbox.moe/e6d03x.webm
~20 mins for the 1-2-5-10, includes moving the sketches around: https://files.catbox.moe/21c4st.webm
~52 mins of recreating the morpho drawing and also figuring things out (like 3 dimensionality of nose and brow) - litterbox isn't accepting it so i'm not sure where to upload. I'm breaking it in half but it'll take a while to be done.

>>7633783
Sketches should not look like that if you're better than prebeg
How long did this take to finish total?

>>7633783
sexo

>>7633788
MOGS me

>>7633789
Almost 9 hours. Too long, I know.

>>7633783
ignore crabs

the crabbing is the worst it's been in ages. is tracerschizo back?

>>7633795
The second attempt/character took me only 6 hours though, but it doesn't look as good. Maybe it's the proportions, idk... I want to fix it someday.

>>7633771
never heard of him

Saying that calling out clear chicken scratch is crabbing might as well be a form of crabbing in of itself
Is this not the art and CRITIQUE board? Am I not supposed to critique one of the clearest signs of poor skill?

>>7633807
shut up crab

>>7633801
cute
is he... you know...

>>7633809
>unrefuted
I accept your concession crab

>>7633807
It's just a rough sketch/draft. Why does it matter how it looks?
>Poor skill
Okay, but... it's what I can do for now.

this thread is so fucking retarded

>>7633810
It's a she

>>7633810
Packing?...

>>7633762
Those drawings are exercises based on pic related. I want to focus on the basics for now.

>>7633814
>Why does it matter how it looks?
Okay bro just make a chicken scratched sketch of a penis and turn that into a person
Of course it matters how it looks, and if you're willing to admit that it's a bad thing, you should work on it
It is not a good thing you can't consistently make lines without some kind of guide or thing to trace, and it's not a good thing if the actual form is hard to tell because you're chicken scratching, because then it will be harder to trace over

>>7633816
oh, still cute

>>7633822
>It is not a good thing you can't consistently make lines without some kind of guide or thing to trace
Hmm I get it now. I really can't draw without without something else telling me where my lines should go. I never thought it was an issue. But is it really? How is that holding me back? It just makes me slower?

Not sure about the sketch line argument, I'd find it difficult to know where the actual final line is going to be when there is so many, also ouch my eyes.
Here's my 20 minutes last night, I got an injury in my arm but it's starting to feel better now.
>>7633829
Saving time would probably mean you draw more.

>>7633829
I used to draw as slow as you and draw manga. It was holding me back. If a page takes more than 5 hours it's a problem. And I'm being generous here.
You first need to work on your speed, consistency in drawing the characters and knowledge of screentones.

>>7633833
I'll put this to the test. I started drawing like that because I liked how "free" I felt in comparison to when I tried doing clean lines. But if I can save time, then I'll try to stop.

It’s almost comforting coming back here and seeing the same old chicken scratching arguments

>>7633840
cool stuff
is that my man radical larry on the left?

everyone is so superior to me

Is it wrong to use AI as reference?

>>7633788
here it is. Posting videos feels quite attentionfriend-ish, so this is it, i'll just go with the daily results.
https://litter.catbox.moe/lq392cs9kl7krgpk.webm
https://litter.catbox.moe/xy1eyeu43w62ngo1.webm

magmaslop Because

>>7633861
>this good in literally two weeks
Hmm...

>>7633856
Thanks anon, and Tbh it wasn’t supposed to be but I see the similarities

>>7633860
it's a tool

My animals look especially retarded today

The seal turned into spurdo I think

>>7633860
It depends. I lean towards yes because-
1: there's a non artificial reference you can find for anything.
And
2: AI can teach you bad habits, example is the unnatural rendering that almost every AI image has.

he has the sexual allure of a wet cum sock being left too long in the sun


>>7633860
i wouldnt recommend it because no matter how ''good' it looks, there is always mistakes that a normal person would be less likely to makew
actually what >>7633909 says

>>7633840
Oh to be able to simplify complex faces like kjg and pablo uchida, will never happen for me

>>7633912
cute monkie

Some quick people watching junk. Really windy and cold out this evening

>>7633880
Pratice feet, i see you have nice potential if you mix your stuff with feet content

Help I cant draw faces.

>>7633986
permabegschizo...

>>7633986
same

Fuck my permabeg life

why would anyone ever need this

>>7633988
Just look at this shit. I have to measure, correct, fix and draw guidelines over and over and over and it still ends up looking SHIT.
Meanwhile talented artit just invoke cute faces with a flick of their writsts. FUCK

>>7634009
Shut up. I could swear you arent permabegtrash like me.
>>7634013
mogs me.
>>7634024
This reminds me of the tiny illustrations they would put on the sleeves of scifi books I would find at libraries. Very amazing work. Even moreso if it is trad watercolour.

>>7634040
Cool cat ears!

>>7634040
Trad in my 5.5x8.5 travel book

>>7634040
change your style to something more realistic and copy artist of this kind of style, i unironically think that simple faces are so simple you can't do it

>>7634053
>>7634043

Yoloing this with just overpaints because I dont want to lineart

>>7634056
6 months vs 10 years >>7634040
brutal

>>7634056
Very nice. Very soul.
Really like how you are just using a basic brush and throwing around huge fucking strokes and yet it looks great.
Nice.

>>7634053
like which ones? I really like Epic of Remnants style.

>>7634056
>>7634058
There's no way he only drew for six months.
I literally don't believe you.

>>7634053
You are talking to a shitposter who doesnt draw. /beg/s very personal chrischan.

>>7634065
if you like it go for it, maybe the one from vagabond or murata this guy is also great https://www.instagram.com/_stato_/

>>7634040
allow me

>>7634070
>>7634068

>>7634056
I will try my best to follow this workflow but I have no expectations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU4VdA-uSQA&t=239s

>>7634073
lmao this one really shows how much of a bug faced freak the original one looks like.
DEATHMOG

>>7634068
but permabegschizo draws, just not that often...

mpreg i guess

>>7634094
one of your best

>>7634099
its just refslop though

>>7634078
What is the difference between drawing shit a lot and barely drawing shit? Quality is still dogshit.

>>7634040
>>7634073
This is some suicide inducing shit ngl.

>>7634073
Is it really that bad?

I wanted to drawfag it for some anon who really likes Stocking but I guess something that shitty would be more of an insult than a gift desu.
I dont think I can keep working on the shitty sketch.
Maybe next time.

Sad...

laughs

hello /beg/, how do you feel about megane

>>7633840
welcome back i missed your faces. How did you learn to draw this way anyway?

>>7632935 (OP)
Any comments on perspective before inking?

self portrait

thoughts on the rough? I like the flow of the composition but look at the thumb now I can see the gate's perspective is off. Is this readable?

>>7634058
Why do you even assume he only drew for 6 month? And why do you assume the other guy drew for 10 years? This is literally just schizo demoralization

>>7634202
Why do you engage with nodraws with actual mental deficiencies?

>>7634216
You need to call out idiots otherwise they'll think they are in a good company.

I truly chose a path paved with pain and suffering

>>7634058
if we go by twitter posts this is atleast 3 years, but considering the skill of the first post its probablya couple more years on top

roblox

Patreon cosplay hoes are kino for practice

everything has gotten better except my hands and idk how to just buckle down and force myself to draw hands

>ugly wobbly lines
i suck at digital bruh

I tried to draw without chicken scratching like you guys told me. I tried drawing the legs of the girl on the right but it came out so bad I'd rather kill myself than show it here. This took me 20 minutes. Usually in that time I would have their whole body ready if I was drawing those messy sketches like I did before. I'm not very confident in your approach, guys.

>>7634319
>I tried drawing the legs of the girl on the right
The girl on the LEFT*!

>>7634130
Yes, but it's easy to fix. Give your characters a proper skull and give the eyes some space on the outer sides. Right now, it seems like you're just making the head without thinking about where you'll put the facial elements, and then just gluing the eyes in the general place where they should go without thinking about the three-dimensionality of the head.

>>7634319
most advice here is awful and lots of people giving advice are just crabs, lots of pros have super schizo sketches. don't take it seriously. people will give you bad advice on purpose to derail your progress. keep doing what you're doing

>>7634324
I know. But what they said does make some sense. If I could get used to drawing the correct lines from the start I could increase my drawing speed by a lot. I'll insist on it a little more.

>>7634305
Hands are a bit hard but once you're able to "see" it's not so daunting.
I used my own hand for reference sometimes.
Doing a bunch of fast sketches for a week helped a lot because I could try different things and ways to draw very fast.
Actually drawing though, it's so hard to get the right mood and start, but then it's so hard to stop later.

im wondering if i could get better at art via using self affirmations to rid myself of mental block related doubt
>i can draw hands
>i can draw 3d forms
>i can rotate a box
>i can draw in perspective
>i am a better artist than everyone who calls me /beg/
and then i pavlov myself into believing it and improve

>>7634324
post a pro sketch that looks like his

>>7634332
I think you should just draw, this seems like overthinking it, you're building up confidence to do things you're incapable of, that's something even worse than admitting you don't know and need to learn.

>>7634305
I've just been drawing my left hand every day since it's right there

it isn't even too much of a jump, i don't think ive ever actually liked the work of someone who insulted my work because they usually had styles i found unappealing or ugly. now, i can simply pavlov myself with reassurances until i brainwash myself into becoming superior

>>7634339
i tried that, it didn't work
self doubt is never the path, one must develop an artistic ego

>>7634348
It's not self-doubt though, but I guess each has his own way.

>>7634353
if i say "i cannot do this and need to learn" it becomes a mental block laced in self doubt
if i say, i can do this, i just need to figure it how it's a significantly less aggressive block

>>7634319
You know what? Fuck this shit. The only reason I chicken scratch is because I'm drawing shapes I'm not 100% familiar with. I don't chicken scratch like that when drawing things I'm used to. The only difference between the two approaches is that in one I draw one line over the other while searching for the right one. And on the other, I'm just pressing ctrl z all the time until I get it right. In the end they are both the same thing. I just have to keep drawing and the chicken scratching will naturally stop as I get more confident.

i am already good, i just need to figure out how to develop my goodness effectively

there's a reason the "ooohh my sketch looks better than the lineart" thing exists, obviously a sketch isn't designed to be appealing by itself but a lot of artists will be better at sketching because it's how they practice otherwise, so you ought to be good at sketching

>>7634319
not chicken scratching doesn't mean you have to draw perfect lineart as a foundation, just that the outline of what you're drawing has to actually be clear. also, are you drawing with a mouse?

>>7634368
>are you drawing with a mouse?
Please... Let's not talk about this.

>>7634373
sir....

>>7634373
come on b

>>7634323
I actually just made guidelines for the eyes, drew them and then gave it a head. IT IS OVER. I AM FUCKING WORTHLESS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>7634073
Oh seeing them next to the other is making me hate it more

>>7634359
I can kind of see what you're saying now, I think knowing where you stand is more important so to plan effectively what to do next and set a goal.
>>7634373
... still?
>>7634376
You got a problem.

>>7634377
i know where i stand, but doubt does nothing for me. i can do all of these things. i am better than my enemies. i just have to manifest it

>>7634376
>gets the solution
>doesnt fix it
kys

>>7634377
Yeha being worthless permabeg shit.
>>7634379
What? Just making the eyes smaller?

>>7634381
really nigga

>>7634284
cosplay costumes and clothes in general can be confusing so i'd prefer nudes for figure studying...

>>7634167
This guy helped me

>>7634381
>What? Just making the eyes smaller?
Kind of I guess? Both reducing the eyes and improving the hair made it look good.
I can't tell if you're serious or not.
>This is some suicide inducing shit ngl.

>>7634361
People are only telling you what generally works best. You can choose to do it whatever way you want I think it's worth practicing confident sketch lines now rather than waiting until you reach some unknown skill level. Oda's One Piece drafts are often incomprehensible, but you can see how the lines are strong and confident rather than scratched in piecemeal, they give energy to the final product. Do what you want, ultimately if you can produce a quality finished work no one's going to question the process.

>>7634385
Where did you get your Asaro head?

the sexiest thing you can do is get what you want across with as few lines as possible

>>7634388
You need permission from the King to enter the Royal Hunting Grounds to hunt an Asaro Beast and take its head as a trophy

>>7634115
>What is the difference between drawing shit a lot and barely drawing shit?
When you draw shit a lot, one day, it will be less shit, and less shit, and less shit
that's called training RETARD

>>7634388
I got it for like $20 on ebay lol

>>7634387
>but you can see how the lines are strong and confident rather than scratched in piecemeal
Chicken scratching doesn't always mean lack of confidence. Sometimes is just habit. I can draw the messiest forearm you have ever seen on a sketch, but when when I do the final pass I will do it in one stroke. I shouldn't have let myself get baited into this discussion.

>>7634386
>>7634383
I am just retarded and permabeg

>>7634403
you might be worse than retarded if you couldn't see the problem with your own art after someone fixed it and you noticed it was better

>>7634410
Old one looks better anyway

>>7634410
yeah...

oh you're just trolling nvm

>>7634402
This is just advice and food for thought. If you're happy with your process no one really gives a shit. You posted and people gave their thoughts. If you think it's not a problem then it's no skin off anyone's back.

>>7634373
Ohnonono

>>7634416
No I am not.

warm up scribbles

say hi you are on stream right now

>>7634428
i want to have sex with fat deer men

>>7634428
i raped whatever you're drawing

>>7634428
Fuck off nodraw micro attentionwhore

>>7634428
who would stream this place

>>7634417
I know. I just got a bit triggered. My bad.

>>7634429
i will draw it on stream for the lols
>>7634429
lion daddy is a bottom

>>7634434
bored af
>>7634435
you give good ideas

>>7634437
Can you draw cute anime girl toes too pplease?

>>7634440
only because you are a polite cutie patootie

>this many people replying to an attentionwhore
It's so fucking over. Back to favela you go

going full nya

>>7634437
thx baby girl

>>7634444
cute but the arms look very stiff

>>7634440
here you got anon a pair of feet

>>7634445
next is you daddy anon
>>7634435
>>7634445

>>7634453
awww he's so cute tysm saved. he looks so happy i love him. whats ur stream so i can tune in

>>7634457
erebusxlllv

>>7633935
thanksies :3

>>7634428
where is the stream?

>>7634429
same

>>7634461
what site?

>>7633667
thank you Peril :D
>>7634428
hi
>>7634426
Nice work deerie I should try a pixel brush
>>7634444
nya
>>7634464
nice work monkeybro

>>7634466
twitch and dubs make a request anon every time we get dubs i draw a request

>>7634392
this would be a cool illustration that also serves as practice

>>7634444
oh shit got a request for the quads?

>>7634477
why are we being so blessed today?

>>7634449
Close enough. I'll jack off to it.

>>7634373
You can't be implying what I think... just no

>>7634477
double dubs go double nya

>>7634486
alright double nyaing it is

>>7634428
For what reason?

here we go

>>7634492
bored waiting for my day to end so I start work tomorrow

>>7634467
pixel brush best nice drawing
>>7634464
monkieee
>>7634470
i love you stream Chad

>>7634515
love you too anon sorry for no draw eating a bit burned my mouth ouch

>>7634467
i like how you did the hair
and thanskies :3

>>7634515
monkeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>7634477
make her eat a peach

>>7634413
No it doesnt lmao shut up

Real attentionwhore hours

>>7634557
PYW

>>7634560
>>7634073

>>7634563
bluelineGOD

hope everyone had a little fun on the stream. I will post the ahri I owe to anon be safe everyone.

>>7634557
are you allergic to fun

>>7634040
>>7634073
You can feed these sketches to AI and have them make a finished drawing in the style of whatever artist you want.

>>7634593
Kys

>>7634578
:D

good pose?

>>7633278 here

I took the advice of wiseanons and tried doing the timed references for faces from the first link in /fig/ (10 drawings, 5 minutes each).

I could not finish any but here's the results anyway. I'm having trouble with generally everything but especially in keeping the female faces feminine.

Pls critique.

>>7634606
And I'm trying to start drawing from different elements to see what fits well. Some of these I started drawing from the eyes, some nose, some ears, one hair, some from the top going down, some the opposite, some inside out and some outside in.

Should I stick to just some particular order or method or just experiment till I find something good or just try to be versatile and don't let the order bog me down?

Warming up but I just want to nap now

>>7634612
Noice

>>7634604
if you can draw it like a human sure

i don't wanna draw anymore

kind of like this super simple style wish I liked digital drawing so I could try animating it but trad animation is painful

1 week after being hit by a scooter and still too painful to properly hold a pencil
human body is too fragile man

>>7634632
get well soon man

>>7634633
nice stuff king

>>7634629
cutie

I think i'll forgo timers tomorrow and see what i can produce that way, otherwise i'll never get to the bottom of some things.

>>7634638
god it must be so nice to learn construction first instead of going backwards
>>7634635
thank you! nice

>>7634642
>god it must be so nice to be exceptionally talented
ftfy

>>7634643
he's not talented, he's just doing it right and putting the work in and has a clean slate to base on. calling it talent reduces the value of the work he's putting in lol

more monster hunter drawing
I think this looks breddy gud, but I might be getting to that point of learning where my ability to draw has slightly outpaced my ability to see
so I feel delusional for thinking this could be good but honestly I feel good about it even though I'm sure it's pretty bad

>>7634635
I want to lick his armpit

>>7634646
really nice Paige my favorite so far

>>7634376
Somehow you managed to make it worse.

>>7634649
yay ty
I cheated and used a pic of a guy with a similar build tied up though so it's not straight from the membrane

>>7634643
>>7634644
Spending 3-4 hours a day on the really fundamental basic shit like shapes, drawing from life, and then trying to recreate things from memory like his AI programmed for him is why hes improving so fast

>>7634659
meanwhile this guy >>7634376 makes a drawing each 3 days and people will talk about talent

I've been trying to organize my thoughts on construction for a while. I think I've convinced myself that construction is the devil (and no I'm not deerfag) unless you're doing something autistic like a Scott Robertson style drawing.

Vilppu is right, gesture is fucking king. Even Morpho hints at it in the foreword of simplified forms (pic) - construction weakens a drawing. This is true whether you have a model/reference or not. It's why autistic adherence to set rules like how >>7634040 attempts results in stiff and boring slop. He didn't draw what was in his head, he just played Mr. Potato Head with pieces he doesn't truly understand.

The end goal for a lively and interesting drawing must be through expressive lines drawn from your subconscious. When you pause, analyze, and use construction, you are slowly but surely losing the image in your head. Any individuality that your drawing would have had starts to erode. Drawing subconsciously allows you to pluck an idea from your brain and put it directly on paper quickly. The problem is how to practice this skill meaningfully. My best guess is that you not only need to draw from life, but to draw things that are in constant motion so you can truly feel the gesture. You also have to be able to sketch as quickly as you can hold onto an idea in your head. Thank you for attending my dunning kruger talk.

>>7634646
This is much better in comparison with your other stuff in the same "theme".

>>7634662
I am deerfag and i have to ask
do you also have the thing where you don't really like construction heavy art? the thing I hate the most in art is "stiffness" and I find heavily constructed pieces to generally be extremely stiff
i wonder how much of disliking construction is also a dislike of stiff work

>>7634660
>>7634659
Whatever you guys want to believe in.

>>7634662
pyw.

like idk why but even if a piece of art is very good I can't appreciate it if it's stiff, or has zero motion

>>7634667
Personally, gesture and expressiveness are the two most important things to me in a drawing. Ultimately the method someone uses might not matter, but if someone's goal isn't to maximize gesture/expression in their drawing or that they use methods which knowingly or unknowingly sabotage those elements then I feel that the final product will inevitably be weakened.

>>7634662
>He didn't draw what was in his head, he just played Mr. Potato Head with pieces he doesn't truly understand.
What does it even mean? I admit it is hopeless trash but what are you even talking about? What is the opposite of that?

Did you just have your anticonstruction /asg/ phase like others or are you actually a talented artist who doesnt need it? Even the great ones like KJG started up with boxes whenever he wasnt doing his performances.

>>7634668
Just pratice

Is it ok to use another drawing as reference for a commission?

>>7634672
yeeaaah I have the same feeling. it feels pretentious to present it that way and obviously I wouldn't be studying construction or drawing boxes rn if I didn't see it's value but this board is way too fixated on something that doesn't produce interesting or expressive work in the end game unless you work on other skills to go with it. you can't just ride on construction alone unless you want stiff results.

>>7634635
Good attempt but theres a lot wrong with it

>>7634659
Still, you cant call someone improving more in two weeks than some other posters in 5-8 years anything other than exceptional.
And I am not talking only about permabegschizo. There are anons with hundreds of drawings who dont get close to his improvement or potential.

>>7634682
if you start out right, and follow guides religiously, you will progress quickly. if you draw mindlessly without a guide, you will not progress. it's that simple.

>>7634682
they don't pratice consistently, they draw what they want to draw, it's simple

>>7634690
Sure. They just draw wrong. For years, decades even.

>>7634663
yeah because I used a reference but thanks
the others were just imagination and I'm too much of a beginner to do that well I think

>>7634691
something none of you seem to conceive when understanding progress is that it's significantly harder to break bad habits than it is to build new ones.
examples being:
chicken scratching
drawing without perspective
drawing stiff work
drawing anatomically incorrect figures exclusively
if you do these things too much, you fuck up your neural pathways and it becomes much harder to unlearn bad habits and develop new, healthier ones, because you've fucked up from the get go.
if you draw incorrectly, you fuck up your ability to understand how to draw and it isn't going to be magically fixed just by knowing what you're doing wrong. it can take years to fix those negative patterns because you've fucked your muscle memory and perception.
this is especially true for chicken scratching and bad sense of perspective.
which is why someone who starts from scratch can have significantly better outcomes than people who don't draw from scratch, and have a pre-existing habit of drawing incorrectly.

>>7634689
which guides
I want to improve but I also want to draw what I like

>>7634662
I know I am a hopeless dogshit talentless subhuman. You dont have to write essays on how much of a retard I am and how much you would hate ending up a fuckup like me.

>>7634695
lots of resources in the stickies, sorry i can't forward you directly.

>>7634056
>>7634076

Ok, I think I can make this work

>>7634686
She has a tumor inside her cheek

it will always be much easier to create new habits than to overwrite preexisting bad ones

6 Months have passed since I started, and surprisingly, I suddenly feel happy.

>>7634697
oh k I've looked over those and tried some of them and they've helped a bit

>>7634701
>has a tumor
giwtwm

>>7634694
So it means I am already fucked over for life.

>>7634711
i mean, I'm unlearning my bad habits, just very slowly. if I can do it, you can too. it may have taken me a year to get here, but i can draw boxes in perspective, stack them and more easily visualize 3d forms after grinding it the past 2 and a half weeks and made more progress in my understanding in that time than I have in my entire year of trying to get better, just by focusing on it. if i can do it, you can too.

It's time to get back to drawing for "FUN"

>>7634713
lmao n o I am just fucked for life. Just fucking subhuman trash that cant do anything right.

>>7634718
you're so full of excuses
just draw

>>7634704
sex

>>7634719
I have been doing that for a long fucking while and never did anything but permabeg horrid trash everyone ridicules and mocks.

>>7634718
if you constantly say "I'm trash" you just build up continuous mental blocks. I'm the same way. the reason why I drew nothing in perspective for so long was because I was so fundamentally convinced that I was incapable of improving at it that I became acceptant of my own mediocrity. you're doing the same thing with the constant self degradation.

>>7634725
deerfag? You are great. You can shit out very beautiful and fluid drawings like its nothing.
The only thing fucking you over is that you wont spend hours to refine something.
I am just trash at everything. Worse than day one beginners.
I cant even point out anything redeemable or good or not worth shit.
I want to draw but always struggling to make the most basic things and spending time on something that people despise only makes mer ealize I cant.

>>7634723
NIGGA
YOU BARELY DRAW 1 HOUR A DAY

>>7634726
Then quit. See ya.

>>7634729
brutal..

>>7634679
I know it sounds pretentious which is why I won't attach my work to these posts lol (I'm not good anyway), but I truly do believe it.
>>7634673
I'm more or less saying focusing on strict rules on how to draw a face is going to hurt your creativity in the long run. You've read a tutorial that taught you how to draw a face in 3/4, profile, and head on. Now what? Are you just going to draw those same heads with the same eye, nose, and mouth sizes forever? If I ask you to draw her head from a low angle, will you curl up into a ball and cry because you're too afraid to try without guidance? Following the guidelines you learnt are keeping you safe from making a complete failure of a drawing but it hinders your expression and limits the range of what you'll even attempt to draw. It pigeonholes you and slows down or halts your progress.

I don't browse /asg/ and I consider myself a beg, I'm just vomiting my thoughts.
I don't know how KJG started, but I'm not saying you should forego learning basic forms - in fact you should master them. I'm sure learning construction early on has benefits too, but I feel they're training wheels that you need to remove as soon as you can or you'll start to rely too heavily on that method and get yourself stuck. I don't think this is a thing you can do overnight btw, you just really need to grind anatomy studies and gesture drawings until you've internalized it and can visualize it clearly. None of us here are at that stage yet and this is conjecture on my part, so take my advice with a grain of salt.
>>7634686
This construction is extremely minimal and not what I really had in mind. Making a simple form and marking the eye line is a quick shorthand that you'd develop from gesture drawing and flows nicely into drawing an actual face anyway. I'm also not saying that people who use construction make bad drawings, but that they could go even further if they found a way to strip themselves of that limitation.

>>7634726
from a mathematical standpoint, I am talentless. my art appeals to boomers and nonartists, very rarely to other people who draw. i get endless criticism and crabbing here. i thank you for your view on my work, but it's a rare one. usually the only people who think that are people from outside the art sphere, like the people who buy my figure studies in person. but i thank you anyway.
i don't agree that you're trash. i think you overthink yourself to death and create a self fulfilling cycle because you think you suck so much you give up.

deer post your feet and i'll show how much i improved by drawing them

>>7634728
I have A FUCKING 50 HOUR WORKWEEK IN THIS GODDAMN SHITHOLE COUNTRY AND CHORES AND DUTIES WITH MY FAMILY.
I SEE OTHERS MAKE DO WITH THE SAME LIMITATIONS AND YET I REMAIN PERMABEGTRASH.
I DONT HAVE THE TALENT TO MAKE THAT MEDIOCRE HOUR WORK OR THE TIME TO TRY TO FORCE IT.
I AM FUCKING TRASH.

>>7634735
>7 hours of sleep (you don't need more)
>9 hours of work
>2 hours to eat, bath, piss, etc
You have at least 7 hours to draw, no excuses. Close 4 chan, close twitter, close your fucking browser.

>>7634735
But none of those are the things that hinder you, you spent the little time you have to draw, sperging out on this board, and not learning anything even when people are drawing it out for you.

>>7634735
Well if you feel so bad about it why not quit and pick up a hobby that requires less time investment?

>>7634734
my feet r ugly

>>7634735
That's just how it is for all non neets

>>7634711
yes

>>7634735
That proves that time is above talent. TomboyCHAD made it because he can draw 24/7. Wagies are damned

>it's the weekend
>permabegschizo has plenty of free time to draw
>instead has been spending his entire day crying in the fujo containment thread
What's his end goal?

>>7634746
He wants to be good with little effort, i don't blame him. Most people think like that in every hobby.

>>7634745
Who here in beg are neet and non neets? Is what you say true?

>>7634678
some people trace 3d models for commissions
as long as you're not copying someone else's art it's fine, just keep working to where you won't need reference at all

>>7634748
Deer is NEET

>>7634748
All the good ones are neet

>>7634751
doesn't count because she's nerfed by health issues

>>7634751
not exactly

>>7634751
why r people that are worse than drawing at me so fixated on my skill level or lack thereof

>>7634736
00-06 sleep
>06-07
>7-8 prepare for wageslaving and commute
>08-18 wageslave
>18-20 commute, gym and chores
I am tired at the end of the fucking day. I am not fresh like a fucking neet who doesnt have to worry about deadlines, bullshit projects, coworkers, underlings, clients, bosses, bullshit and gets to sleep and wake up whenever he wants.
I am fucking tired, exhausted, the artists I stay in contact with already drew all day and even had streaming games with their peers and friends and colleagues and public while I have to forsake everything to just sit down in front of my desk while my eyes are already struggling to focus from the tiredness.
It isnt even an excuse. Great artists managed to make it that way but I have negative talent unlike them.
I take a couple steps forward and wake up a mile back.
>>7634747
>>7634746
I AM COOKING. I SCRAPPED MY FUCKING DOGSHIT PIECE OF SHIT DRAWING EVERYONE FUCKING DESPISED AND SOME FAG WENT ON A RANT ABOUT HOW MUCH HE WOULD KILL HIMSELF IF HE ENDED UP LIKE ME AND I FUCKING SCRAPPED IT.
NOW I HAVE TO COOK 5 DAYS WORTH OF FOOD SO I DONT HAVE TO WASTE TIME COOKING AND WASHING DISHES THROUGH THE WEEK.
>>7634738
I want to draw.
If I only did things I wanted to do I would be unemployed and homeless drinking myself to an early grave.

>>7634748
Cyclops isn't NEET

>>7634680
you a redlinechad perchance?

>>7634755
You're the most famous one here, it's normal some people are fixated on you

>>7634759
the thing is though is that it's always people who suck way more than I do and have made significantly less money off of art than me who r so fixated on my skill level like damn girls get off ur high horses

>>7634689
I've been going through one of the basic guides on observational drawing (drawing the right side of the brain workbook up to exercise 18) very slowly and have improved more in less than 2 weeks than I did in months when I gave up years ago. Not as fast as that other guy but it's progress nonetheless, turns out doing things right produces results

Picrel is June 25 vs last night

>>7634756
You're so fucking funny man, I think humor is where your talent points ended up

>>7634763
I said that he should try comedy instead

>>7634748
Something tells me aiza is NEET. I could be wrong though

>>7634763
>>7634764
Whats your fucking problem. Why are you laughing at some poor bastard having a psychotic meltdown.

>>7634763
>>7634764
When he said he was harassed by the security at the grossery store, it got me dying lmao

who got him pregnant?

>>7634661
im gonna lick his ears meanwhile

>>7634748
im a neet
all i do is gaym and workout
and maybe read

>>7634761
i guess its a thing of ''oh i cant progress the way i want to so now im going to hyperfixate like an autist on Speed on this person because they can do what i cant so i will Complain''

>>7634737
>even when people are drawing it out for you.
You think permabegness was a joke?

>>7634768
cute monk
yea I make ppl seethe ig lmfao
it won't make their skill level better to rag on me
and also im not going to have sex with them just bc they neg me kek

>>7634757
I was under the impression cyclops was retired war veteran...

>>7634766
I want him to know his true talent

If permabegschizo made a vlog channel where he draws and rages in real time it would be the most kino art channel on YouTube easily.

>>7634771
thanksies

''it won't make their skill level better to rag on me'' no
where normal people would try to surpass the person they are envious of, some are just content to

sit there

>>7634775
this one guy has turned his fixation on my lack of talent into a psychosexual fixation it's very awkward

>>7634756
Yeah it's hard, but you could at least keep 2 or 3 hours of consistent pratice everyday, is not that much. And you need to actually study and not only draw Urabe with big boobs over and over. Even a talented person won't go too far with that because i think it's not enough pratice time, but at least you VILL improve.

out of all of 4chan this board has the best schizos by far

>>7634776
because u cute

out of all of 4chan this board has the worst schizos by far

>>7634780
even if so he's not going to get my dick by crabbing me constantly

schizo Ahri as promised

>>7634785
You can't understand a schizo's mind

>>7634786
oops

>>7634787
he also literally doesn't know what my art looks like because he said i can't color the other day which is an actual schizopost so he's not even a good stalker

niggas be complaining about shitty drama but dont even reply to actual drawings YOUNG NIGGA KILL YOURSELF

>>7634788
mogs permabegschizo

>>7634789
thats actually schizo

>>7634787
i would worry if i understood it

>>7634758
You cant just say perchance. No time to redline send me it tuesday ill do it. You know who I am