Thread 7635743

What does your drawing process look like? You do have one, right?

>make sketch from imagination
>study what I need to study for it
>draw a refined sketch
>grab paper and do a pencil undersketch
>ink it with the dip pen
>erase pencil and correct mistakes with scalpell or white out pen
>frame it, maybe
rinse and repeat

>>7635743 (OP)
>You do have one, right?
yes.
>Just Draw

>ask GPT for an original idea
>use dall-e to generate the art
>shit in designated street
>come back to see if art is done
>use chat gpt to translate to english
>post on twitter and pixiv
>rinse and repeat
...except I don't rinse

>>7635743 (OP)
I have no process, maybe thats why I dont improve.

>search for a reference post thats similar to my idea to help my brain, or take a picture if I can't find it
>draw the head first since thats always a comfortable starting point
>try to loosely block in the body or joints
>fix proportions and stuff as I go

>spend entire day putting off drawing
>waste 45 minutes before putting down a single line
>end up dissatisfied with the lineart
>add basic coloring
>doesn't look like the worst thing i've ever drawn
>actually somewhat satisfied with the end product
>feel a slight bit of pride and motivation to draw again the next day
>repeat

>>7635743 (OP)
I don't have a process. I just brute force it every time and start from scratch.

op. i don’t even know anymore.

>>7635743 (OP)
Pretty basic still.

>>7635743 (OP)
https://x.com/search?q=from%3Abbcchanart%20timelapse&src=typeahead_click

https://youtu.be/iIi9WuR8b08

>I should draw
>try to think of something to draw
>no good ideas
>try drawing anyways because people here constantly say just draw
>staring at the white canvas
>anything I can imagine drawing will take a few hours
>calculating if all that energy is worth having a new drawing at the end
>it never is
>close program
>stare at desktop for 6 hours
>go to sleep

>>7635743 (OP)
>just draw
>get into zone
>free flow ideas
>visions after visions come to mind
>listen to the God and muses
>continue to just draw guided by the gods and muses
>enjoy 8 hours of painting
>gain one painting
Wow

>>7635743 (OP)
pyw should be a requisite for this thread. Otherwise, what's the point?

Blue pencil sketch, black pencil sketch and marking colors, line art, flat colors, shades and lights, effects

>>7635743 (OP)
>think about drawing
>Play video games for 6 hours
>Get drunk and sleep all day

>>7635743 (OP)
>imagine pose or scene
>basic gesture lines
>solid color shapes
>defined body parts
>refine pose and proportions
>sketch
>draft (as many as needed)
>attempt render
>hate what ive made
>realization ive wasted hours
>look at the rifle in the corner of my room pensively

>>7635743 (OP)
>find reference
>find longest straight line
>find longest curved line
>fill in the rest

>>7635743 (OP)
>sketch
>tweak and polish sketch
>lineart and polish it
>base color it
>add shadow/light and effects if necessary
>save and check the main file to see if there is any errors
>gets happy i finished
:) second time is usually the best

I'm so bad at learning I never develoepd one.

there is no one process, it depends on how familiar I am with the subject or if I started already with an image in my mind or an abstract idea. I might need to look for reference or inspirations depending.

>>7636702
>>7644398
Actual good shit.

>>7635743 (OP)
> fixate on a song
> get a huge burst of creativity, daydream about doing a fully animated video for it
> condensate the mental film to some snapshots
> try and draw those as best as i can while blasting the song on repeat
> i'll never do the damn music video, but at least i have fun

>decide what i want to draw
>think
>draw

>>7637241
these threads are just larp bait

>>7635743 (OP)
i vomit then fingerdraw my shit, none of you can hope to compete with me

>>7635743 (OP)
idk but i drew this in like 5 sex

>>7644398
Do you do some illustrations out of pure imagination? if you do, how did you get to that point?

I'm tired of having to depend on ref all the time, i feel like a hack

>>7648413
thanks.

>>7649194
There is no reference for the previous drawing or this one, I am not sure how "pure" when you said "pure imagination".

>>7649355
i can tell you had fun with this, the fact that it comes across is bigly, excellent work

>>7649355
nice art, the font at the end is ass though

>>7649355
I meant, with out needing the help of references/needing to glance at them while drawing. How did you get to that point? did you just draw so much that the proportions and everything just come to you naturally now??

>>7649370
thanks, I wish I can accomplish that with all of my drawings, and its definitely something I aim for from now on.

>>7649394
The hand written ones or English lettering?

>>7649848
I don't need to look at reference generally, unless I don't have a very good idea of what kind of pose I am getting at, but in general once I finish the gestures, I started working off that and I generally deviates from the reference in order to adjust it to the needs of the composition. I do draw quite a bit by /ic/ standards, and if you see something I was drawing that I wasn't looking at references, I have drawn something like that before, or something very similar to it multiple times. There are certain rule of thumbs about proportion you internalized over time, for me its mainly the "average reach" rules, relating to which part hands and wrist is capable of reach to which part of a person's own body parts. Like there are certain proportions that you follow which you can end up with fairly credible looking figures, and at first you needed to think about it, but later you just have to consider it when things doesn't look right.

>>7649848
The more you draw, the more you internalize fundamentals. The shortcut you're looking for doesn't exist.

>>7649896
I see, you already had a general idea of what you wanted to draw. Then overtime it just becomes almost instinct and internalized rules you come up with subconsciously.

>>7649932
>rules you come up with subconsciously
I did not come up with the rules.

>>7649940
oh, you just picked the rules of thumb from your resources along your art career?

>>7649896
the english lettering

>>7649945
well, they are mainly from critiques when someone points it out, and particularly embarrassing mistakes too, but I speculated that you retain information better if it stuck in your craw.

>>7649949
Thanks, any suggestion for a good fond?

>>7649951
gotcha, thanks letting me pick your brain a bit

My process is not having an established process lol.

>>7644398
>>7649355
>>7649896
>>7649951
>>7650202
this looks so effortless. how do I achieve this power?
please don't say just draw. I already do that.

>>7653424
retard

>>7635743 (OP)
I just draw, there's no process, secret or anything like that I just do whatever the fuck I want.
Just grab a few references and go to town.

>>7653468
nobody asked you anything.

>>7653545
i dont need your permission retard

>>7653552
terminally online no friends sour life behaviour.
anon, do you need help?

>>7653424
I'm >>7650202
Anon, I have bad news for you. What you perceive as effortless comes from my mileage. I spent most of my life drawing and I internalized these concepts with practice. There's just no way around that.

>>7653770
no need to project retard

>>7635743 (OP)
i draw the sketch in my drawpad then scan the image in a complicated contraption comprised of a camera, a long flexing phoneholder and bubble levels. then I simply make the digital pass over the scans, removing or moving parts around the canvas, using a document scanning program that monochromes the photo to the adequate values, removing the need to make the initial drafts with the tablet. making a digital pass over a scan is great, as I dont need to pencil much and its faster and more accurate. I always had a problem telling how big or where anything is on a digital canvas, so matching the canvas/aspect ratio by measuring the page with a ruler helps with positioning and uniformity

>>7635743 (OP)
I recently started documenting what I do.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnM_qsJdFtEJl50zw_rD24TE4stgF-VWP

>>7635743 (OP)
flawless two step program
1. imagine something
2. draw it
all you could ever need.

>imagine thing really hard
>loosely construct
>rough linework
>clean linework
>contemplate suicide
>flats
>shadows
>contemplate suicide
>polish
>contemplate suicide
>contemplate suicide
It works pretty well IMO

>>7649951
>multiple passes to draw the thing
And I thought I was the only one to do this.

>>7655481
>And I thought I was the only one to do this.
The vast majority of artists do this. Especially ones that are actively studying drawing.
Is this some kind of attention bait, or something? You can't be this ignorant.

>>7635743 (OP)

>start with stickman
>add cubes and cylinders for form
>draw clothes on top
>erase messy lines
>???
>get baited in a thread

>>7635743 (OP)
>get idea
>write it down into text document if tablet is not connected if its start instantly sketching.
>obtaining references for it.
>create new layer and redraw sketch.
>start polishing sketch into something that isn't shit which usually is.
>add shading and other details.
>then decide if i want colors or not.
>then try to fix it if it's not fixable i just bash my head against wall and leave or come back later and redraw it if i liked the idea enough.

>>7650202
casually drops pro level work and shits on everybody here.
at least it will serve as good reminder for me to keep drawing.

>>7655524
it's mid int

>>7655620
He can probably get some industry work with that though. I've seen non- self published book covers with worse art.

>>7655649
>industry work
lol nope

>>7655675
Well industry work is usually more about connections than anything. He's not going to MTG or working on Diablo or something but I've seen shittier artists doing $200 character commissions for smaller businesses

>>7655524
Thanks anon. I draw for a living so you ain't wrong on the word pro, however my stuff still has a ton of shortcomings. I'm still learning like everyone else here.

>>7655675
I've already worked as a junior concept artist for a local gaming dev company. I dropped it after 2 years, because being just a cog in the system without any true agency drained me completely. Now I'm my own boss doing freelance work and it's much more fulfilling.
I would never advise anyone to chase industry jobs, unless you go for CEO lol.

>>7655718
It is but you still need to be at a certain level, you can't draw like Chrischan and get in because you know some guy at Riot
>>7655791
Small indie companies that nobody has ever heard of aren't industry

>>7655845
>Small indie companies that nobody has ever heard of aren't industry
Indie companies are part of the industry, but in my case it wasn't a small indie dev. They even secured a license for a Ghostbusters game years after I left.
They are nowhere near big names like CDPR or Blizzard, but they work with big publishers. It's an eastern EU company btw.

I'm not trying to say my material is AAA worthy, but I definitely worked an industry art job.

>>7655845
>draw like Chrischan
I missed this part. If you truly think my art looks like chrischan's, I guess you need prescription glasses.

(It's more likely that I need a better shitposter detector.)

>>7649955
don't mention it.

>>7655481
>>7655486

That's actually more iteration than I typically do, I just didn't have any idea what I wanted out of that drawing at the time so there were a lot of flailing, and I just gave up after a while...

>>7653424
find stuff that you enjoy drawing, and study on the side, so you can draw a lot.

>>7655902
So good.

>>7655845
>It is but you still need to be at a certain level
Yeah and that anon is at that certain level
>you can't draw like Chrischan and get in because you know some guy at Riot
No one ever said this, it's not one extreme or the other.
Look at the process video there's clarity in each step that shows a solid understanding of fundamentals. If you have a solid grasp of fundamentals and know how to create appealing artwork you can get a job in the industry. I wouldn't say riot because it doesn't look like that's the style they're going for, but this is perfectly acceptable for industry work. The art reads well, the shadow shapes are consistent the lighting is consistent the line work is consistent, just because it's not some crazy posed, hyper perspective hyper rendered thing doesn't mean they aren't excelling at what they do. If anything you'd probably see art like this in comics or on merchandise.

>>7655949
>No one ever said this, it's not one extreme or the other.
>Look at the process video there's clarity in each step that shows a solid understanding of fundamentals. If you have a solid grasp of fundamentals and know how to create appealing artwork you can get a job in the industry. I wouldn't say riot because it doesn't look like that's the style they're going for, but this is perfectly acceptable for industry work. The art reads well, the shadow shapes are consistent the lighting is consistent the line work is consistent, just because it's not some crazy posed, hyper perspective hyper rendered thing doesn't mean they aren't excelling at what they do. If anything you'd probably see art like this in comics or on merchandise.
I'm glad there's some people here that know what they're talking about when it comes to fundamentals.
Btw, keep in mind this was a 2 hours mindless artwork, used solely to test out CSPs timelapse feature. Usually I draw the sketch and leave it over night in order to come to it with fresh eyes to notice obvious mistakes. This figure is full of anatomical fuckups. Neck too long, torso too thin, shoulders not properly aligned with the torso, etc.
This is far from my real form lol.

But you are right, I never strieved for high polished riot like splash art. I don't have the patience and mental fortitude for it, plus I prefer more trad looking sketchy stuff.

>>7636058
this is fucking uncanny to read. Are you literally me? I never regret drawing and nearly always feel good after but by god do I put it off.

>>7635743 (OP)
This is my process

>>7657619
stop spamming the entire board with your crap.
seek professional help, schizo.

>>7658208
No the pills make me feel numb

>>7658295
Good, just like everyone else.

>>7653424
ever heard of talent? (IQ) effort won´t take you so far
save for >>7649951
everyone you listed has some sort of higher visual memory and abstract thinking most of us filthy begtals can ever aspire
fuckers simply downplay their genes by ascribing their success to "effort being invested" in order to feel more superior than they are like the narcissistic whores they are or are crabbing everyone with their pseudo advice of"study fundamentals bro" in order to hog the art market for themselves just like Chads own the dating market

>>7655902
You didn't shade spidey :<

>>7658558
>downplay their genes by ascribing their success to "effort being invested"
I can demonstrate my effort you know.

>>7658572
sorry, he was just there for scale. good work on the perspectives, by the way, I would have just eyeballed it. For how painterly it is, I personally don't think you needed to get so technical.

>>7658581
I usually just eyeball it, but I feel like I've gotten a bit too lax lately.

>>7636052
>>draw the head first since thats always a comfortable starting point
I have really got to start doing this more. I usually start with the chest and do the rest of the body from there. I find the most scrapped pieces I have are when I get to the face and can't land on one I like.

>>7658558
I'm >>7650202 and completely disagree with you.
The only thing that points towars something we could call talent is that I've been interested in drawing since I can remember. That obsession towards drawing is indeed something I can't explain completely rationally. Some people are more driven towards it than others.
But I wasn't "marketable" since the beginning. It's not like I came out of kindergarten ready to be hired lol. I had to put in a lot of effort in order to even understand what to do, to be able to convince others they need my services.

I'm not saying talent doesn't exist. I just think people give it too much importance. People without an ounce of talent, probably really exist, same as for artistic savants vice versa, but these are fringe examples. People with average intelligence can all become "good" at drawing if they are willing to invest their time into it.

>>7655902
holy shit are you the rococo guy? I haven't been on this board in forever you got so fucking good
though the girl on the right looks like she's got a bulge

>>7658582
you are more diligent than i.

>>7659450
its not a girl.

>>7658581
You aren't scamming anyone nigger, your files have unnecessary sizes and you draw for your OLED 4k TV.
Moron

>gather references
>if it is an unfamiliar subject, do a quick copy of some of the references
>do a rough gesture-y doodle of the idea
>clean it up a little
>redraw layer, paying greater attention to proportions, anatomy, and adherence to character design, basically take the rough doodle and make it look like what I'm trying to draw
>refining layer for final sketch tie-down
>inking
>coloring
>adjusting inks and colors as some problems become clearer once colors are applied
Basically that. I keep meaning to apply a more formal construction process, but I've been drawing for nearly 20 years and this free form drawing (generally) works for me.

>>7635745
>Foreword
>Preface
>Introduction
>Notes to Introduction
>Acknowledgements
>Chronology
>The Text

>>7635743 (OP)
>draw rough sketch from imagination
>optional step: make a refined sketch with the help of reference
>get bored and start a new drawing

>>7635743 (OP)
>Imagine thing
>bring up reference images similar to said thing
>watch a couple of tutorials on how to draw things related to said thing
>Use reference images to draw thing
>set 48 hour timer
>Admire drawing for duration of timer
>Once the timer expires I don't like it anymore

>>7637252
you made me sad, cause this is me but with weed

>>7662221
there is a file count too....

>>7650202
what software do you use? Also what pen for lineart this shit is CLEAN! mirin' the work btw

>>7635743 (OP)
Open pc
Open ref image
Open csp on phone
Draw with fingers

>I put in music and Open a beer can.
>scribble some lines
>After 15 minutes all I do is drink beer and smoke.
>Go to sleep
Every day

>>7650202
dont wanna sound like the typical beg/gar but please could you share a lil bit of your learning journey? how and where did you start and did you chose on your style early on?
im always amazed by great artists and want to know more about them, would you mind sharing a bit? ty

>>7635743 (OP)
Someone asked me this today on discord. I explained it horribly!! Here you go

>>7635743 (OP)
Still working on it and I wanna streamline it but
>Do half a dozen 30s gestures from imagination, pick best one
>On a new layer, draw it again this time with a bit more time, to get in all the parts of the body roughly
>At this point, find pose references, use them to make a sketch on top of the gesture, getting down the main forms and correcting any proportion mistakes
>Find references for clothing, armor, weapons, accessories, etc. Work on a loose sketch of those over the figure, do a few tryouts
>Finalize a sketch/almost lineart thing with the final design, sometimes do 1-2 alt poses using the final design to see if it looks better
>Add flats, shadow shading on a multiply layer, lights shading on overlay/soft light
>Make a nesting doll of dozens of folders/layers organized per element of the drawing and go to render town, this sometimes includes extra shading layers if it loses volume during rendering or I need to exaggerate shadows/lights
>Create one final "fuck it, we ball" layer for any last minute details, tweaks, fixes, and finishing touches

>draw
>want to KMS for being a worthless piece of shit permabeg

>>7650202
Digital art was a mistake. Shitty generic slop with ai handholding to compensate for substandard anatomy (those fucking collarbones ffs). Lacking personality, character and anything unique to set it apart from literally millions of other digital "art". Stop wasting your potential on slop desu, because you do have potential.

>>7644398
Nice work anon

>skip drawing one day
>forgot how to place lines
>zero control over my pen

>>7677233
You must not warm up. Do a couple of gestures and your mistakes will come out in half the time then you can focus on correcting them

>>7676894
Stop talking like you are in the position of advising anyone.
Where exactly is the AI handholging here? The fact that it's done with digital media?

PYW. If you don't I'm just going to assume you are a salty beglet. Are you?

>>7671609
CSP.
Here's the brush I used. It's just a modified brush that was already in the software's library.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/m0idsvt5q6vdbcnco8a9j/DARK-PENCIL.sut?rlkey=fdvgj22f2z8eopwf0o800hku9&dl=0

>>7671787
I've been drawing since I can remember. Went to Industrial design school, where I had a few illustration and figure drawing classes (didn't learn that much from that tbf).
Afterwards I landed a job as a junior concept artist at a local game dev company, which didn't last long since I really disliked the fact that I had very little agency in decision making.
That's when I realized my fundamentals had a ton of shortcomings and that I should take illustration studying more seriously. I picked up Loomis: Successful Drawing, Robertson: How to draw in order to improve my perspective knowledge and Gourney: Color and Light for color theory. Alongside that I went through Proko's Anatomy Course on YT. That's pretty much it.

>>7676894
What's wrong with the collarbones?

>>7676894
Aaaaand he ran away.

>>7635743 (OP)
Something like this I guess

Daytime
>try practicing fundies with my tablet, on computer, get too anxious
>nothing is drawn
Nighttime
>in bed, too horny to sleep
>use fingers to draw smut
>make over five drawings over the course of the night
It's not healthy but it works

>>7635743 (OP)
Just doing the blooks from Fun With a Pencil for now, on a screenless tablet. An old Intuos 3 to be precise.
I used to basically copy art, sometimes even tracing, just to develop a more stable hand but that ended up making actual freehand stuff underwhelming. I just want to be kinda ok...