Thread 7638505

If you are a /int/ermediate or /beg/inner in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
DO NOT REPLY to crabs, nodraws, talent debates or howies and instead focus on posted works!

>STICKY:
Completed: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vm4IJpq0Mbvb-Krl5_mJ_m6TsC_qjsaN/view
New collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
w/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/
Hardcore: https://hackmd.io/7k0XRnIQR6SValR77TDfZw?view

>WHERE to get study materials
annas-archive.org
>>>/ic/artbook
>>>/ic/video

>Want to practice figures?
quickposes.com
sketchdaily.net
characterdesigns.com
lovelifedrawing.com
posemy.art
line-of-action.com

>PYW and give your feedback
What can be improved?
Are there any resources videos or books you'd recommend to them?
Maybe a redline or a technique, be specific.
Try to reply to someone as you post your own work.

>Cool teachers
Glenn Vilppu
Michael Hampton
Steve Huston
Brent Eviston
Marco Bucci
Andrew Loomis
George Bridgman
Hikaru Hayashi

>Cool books
Keys To Drawing
Drawing With the Right Side of the Brain
How To Draw Comics the Marvel Way
The Art and Science of Drawing
Framed Perspective
Figure Drawing For All It's Worth
The Complete Guide to Drawing From Life
Last: >>7635501

>>7638505 (OP)
>I'm in the pic (twice)
Huzzah

Anyway. Working on a reference from the OP pack from the artistic reference thread.

But I can't get the face tilt right.

Other than that, is the anatomy and proportions mostly correct? I'm also trying to make my lines cleaner.

Thread Challenge

repost

>>7638510
Another thing I meant to ask.

Is the perspective and foreshortening correct on the girl (roughly, I mean. I messed up in centering the room but I'll correct that later)?

>>7638511
Thread Challenge: Male Edition

>>7638513
Maybe post the ref so people can compare it

>>7638516
I was going to but it's on my pc and there's no power right now.

So it'll have to wait until then, my apologies anon.

Draw this.

>draw a box
>get shadows wrong
i'm the dumbest prebeg ever

>>7638523
the box looks wrong too.

>>7638523
>>7638523
You'll do fine anon.

But, why do the vertical lines vanish upwards when you're looking downwards? (assuming that is supposed to be a perfect box)

>>7638512
man i just dont know how you hard round brush chads do it

Pretty new to art, started a couple months ago but I have moved onto semi realistic humans now from landscapes but the struggles begin with attempting to make my OC character look older as shes not supposed to look young but my age and height. so aside from a nice rack, anything I can do to make her look older? I can't draw good looking milkers yet and it doesn't help that I too am quite petite

I paint.

>>7638539
The more detail you do, the older they look (try giving her saggier cheeks and in general divert away from the super simplified features.

>>7638547
Thank you, I'm going to fix the face with saggier cheeks, a sharper jaw and better eyes then see if I can make the pelvic/pubic bone a bit more pronounced. Think that will help too.

It's hard adding details and I don't even know how to shade yet but I'll try my best.

>>7638464
another focus session, sketch finished
forgot to press record this time sadly
its time for the lineart

>>7638543
I like

>>7638505 (OP)
This is one of my best pieces. From a reference.

I've just started a couple months ago, I keep going from this to totally ugly messed up stuff, like one day I feel in progress the next day I'm darn awful even if I use reference and sleeves time on it...

Are things going to even out and click?

Today for example I tried to study a pose and the results were deformed kids sticky figures .

>>7638528
>>7638534
whenever i try to rotate and zoom i fuck up perspective in my boxes, but i have to rotate to get better looking freehand lines...

also couldn't find my rubik's cube so had to start blender and use it's light tool to observe and understand basic shadow

>>7638565
happens to the best of us, dont worry about it, use it as a learning experience and keep drawing

Digital gods... There's plenty to crit here but I want to focus on the process. How do you get perfect lines for the hair shadow? Is it really pen tool for 2 hours? Also, my regular lines seem to suck as well, but I guess I should just spend more time cleaning them up.

Oc

did a quick drawing sans reference before group
looks meh

>>7638571
>perfect
I don't know
>pen tool for 2 hours
No, mostly lasso or use different brushes
https://files.catbox.moe/jc8op5.mp4

>>7638514
headache inducing

>>7638547
Think I am getting much better results now, I made her jaw more angular and it is helping.

What do you guys think?

Been focused on heads this week but I think I'm going to focus on clothing next, I have no idea how fabric is supposed to fold.

>>7638539
>>7638594
I tried
https://files.catbox.moe/nisjwj.mp4

and another one
again no reference
sobbing

>>7638590
Thanks, that's a lot of help. Do you think there's anything else I should be using that I'm probably not?

>>7638571
Use more colors/tones/shades and use them in relation with each other plus always choose the light source

>>7638607
You can speed shit up using lasso or premade brushes, you can use blending modes like add for highlights.
First block out big shadows with lasso I'd say then add smaller with brushes. Then add highlights. Lastly add rimlights. Honestly I never render in color so maybe you can check if there's any process videos of artists you like coloring hair

im tired of this weird box

>>7638603
You made the face longer, now I see why it is such a drastic change for the age... I'll do the same after I finish my blotching of the right character, thank you!

>>7638609
Here’s more about the hair shaping

>>7638617
draw where the sun would be, and extend lines towards the box to find how to project the shadow. if the bottom of the shadow is correct, the top corner should project much more sharply in the same direction. If you want to consider the back correct, then the bottom should be almost flush with the side of the box.
Only way you'd get both sides to project like this, would be if the light source was almost on top of the box, but then the shadow would not extend nearly as far.

>>7638428
>Replying to permabegschizo
Beginners mistake

ive come to this conclusion that this board is basically pointless unless you're trying to be a digifag animeslop artist and very few have the mindset to give criticism about anything but that

>>7638601
DEATHMOG. Arent you the catgirlrapemurderlizardbro? How did you get to this level so fast? Were you mentored?

>>7638641
nigga who?

almost no one on this board has a formal artistic education or even an interest in art that isn't anislop

>>7638640
>>7638643
Someone’s salty

>>7638643
I posted non anime drawings before though :(

>>7638617
have you tried adding stuff on the box

>>7638657
what the sigma

>>7638516
Here it is

>>7638664
I did take the time to refine the sketch

>>7638666
And finally

>>7638667
I definitely got the angle and head tilt slightly wrong (in addition to the foot and hand).

Otherwise, I think it's my best one yet.

>>7638667
Also, pls critique.

>>7638640
It's same thing with every board. /a/ is the worst board to talk about anime and manga, /v/ about vidya and /ic/ about drawing. But /v/ is the best place to talk about comics and drawings. You just need to find the correct board for your subject.

>>7638511 This is my first time posting on this board, I've been lurking for months, finally got started with FWAP recently, and figured I'd break the monotony.

I have a shitload to learn, but figured I might give others the confidence to post as well.

If anyone has any input on the next major points for me to focus on, that'd be appreciated

>>7638671
He's not even right about this thread, much less the entire board.

>>7638641
>catgirlrapemurderlizardbro
Is that a real anon lol

>>7638681
yes, and he's not the person anon thinks he is

Is there a tutorial somewhere on how light work on knight armor/metallic surface? I'm going insane trying to understand how to represent it I need someone to hand hold me through it.

>>7638686
that one is very reflective. if you haven't already checked out tutorials for reflective materials do so, but a way to simplify them is that they have a very high range of values and reflect color from the environment

>>7638686
also, as a way to try and do the reflections themselves, i try to imagine what i would be seeing from the plane's perspective, and paint that.

>>7638686
erm sho bashikally u put the color of the environment onto the knight :333
so a knight in a field in the day would be green on downward facing planes and blue on upwards planes for the sky :333
this particular knight has a greish-yellow reflections from the floor and white from the fluroescent lights
idk ive never painted btw

And how does that affect you.... personally?

>>7638686
Mascaradagardevoirfag...

new thread once again asking for discord friends, or server invites

>>7638689
Hu looking up tutorial for "reflective surface" actually give me more results than metal or knight armor, thanks

>>7638696
What if it's an anime boy floating in a white/grey background

>>7638705
Share a throwaway email nigga. Ain't nobody stupid enough to throw their deets to the dogs.

>>7638705
Pyw

does anyone have any figure references that are in heavy perspective that aren't wide angle lense? i love wide angle lense but I'm doing it too much

>>7638696
>green on downward facing planes and blue on upwards planes
That depends entirely on the station point thoughbeit.

Mork work doodles.

>>7638713
real cuties, you're great.

going to do some more anatomically correct figure studies because even if it's not what I want to do it can't hurt, and it's easier than exaggerating every single figure i draw when studying, lol

>>7638708
Im phoneposting i would if i could

>>7638726
Then come back when you're on a real computer. Until then, DRAW!!!!

>>7638736
trust me i want to draw.. family obligations

>>7638737
understandable

>>7638505 (OP)
You left out the subject again retard
Do it again and I'll make sure you never get another op for this general again, capiche?

From the end of the last thread but no anyway here's yesterday and day before art

>>7638743
Shut up asshole
Do it yourself next time

>>7638745
Is this loss?

>>7638753
You're fucking done for faggot

i forgot how much i like drawing cartoons why did I ever try to draw anime

>>7638758
This is the first time in my life I made the OP cuz your ass was to lazy too. Do it yourself next time skidmark

it's over

>>7638744
>>7638745
What's the lore of this all you drawing?

Welfare check needed on deersis. I think xhe bought the rope...

Studying painting torso
any tips or critique?

>>7638773
Probably simply retreated to discord servers

>>7638772
Absolutely sprawling, with a ton of tangents, but the short version is a space war between frog aliens and cyborgs (they look like robots but they've got organic brains) spilled over into human territory. Humans got caught in the middle and there's a lot of devastation. Most recent art centers around a planet that was a military hub that got absolutely blasted right at the end of the war. After the war, there's remnants of all sides doing various things. A kind of setting where I can drop in all my favorite scifi tropes and all kinds of deranged characters.

>>7638777
Its too elongated

>>7638514
10 minute quick figure sketch.

>>7638520
an attempt has been made. I gave myself 1 hour.

>>7638787
talentGOD i kneel

>>7638773
oh I'm here I'm just not posting my work because I'm painting not drawing

How the fuck this dude has like 120k followers?

>>7638799
followers are more about luck than skill

also, i realized that I haven't gotten actually helpful criticism in like a month because no one else is into fine art so I'm starting to think pointing my work is pointless

>>7638787
>Not even two weeks in
>Already mogs all permabegschizos like Pawell, Deerfagsis, permabegschizo, sharkfag
>Also mogs most itt like Raxav and is on his way to rape Favelafag and a good chunk of other posters.
Talentflatearthers, our response? Will you keep denying that talent exists when it is shoved right in front of your face?

>>7638808
In rate threads, people are usually more inclined to do it there (although it often seems more nitpicky).

>>7638812
I'll deny. It's obviously someone who has experience. Might even be you samefagging

>>7638813
I've realized there's basically nothing of substance i can get from posting here because all of the advice I get is things i don't care about like
>proportions
wonky proportions are the goal, I'm referencing classical art which has extremely exaggerated anatomy
people didn't even realize my construction studies were all wide angle and intentionally distorted, there's like nothing of substance i can get from here because what I'm going for is just too abstracted from what other people are doing

>>7638799
Wtf... to top it off it seems he AI assisted this

>>7638799
Because people want his art. What the fuck else do you expect?
What the fuck do you want? What do you even post?
Post your art and I can tell you why you dont have a gorillion followers.
>>7638808
Maybe people dont like your subject matter or they got tired of giving you advice if you are permabeg.
Others also dont get critique or redlines because anons know it is a waste of time like it happens for permabegschizo, Pawell, Sharkfag and Deerfag.

>>7638820
>Because people want his art. What the fuck else do you expect?
no shit sherlock, thats the whole point

>>7638817
Keep Koping King

>>7638777
post ref

>>7638821
What do you draw?
Even mediocre slob or footfag artists can get engagement.
Look at brazilfag's get rich quick scheme where his work with feet get a solid following by dedicated footfags.

>>7638820
deerfag gets their art put in galleries, you can't say that about most other people here

>>7638825
So thats it then, just stick to a niche and do only do that?

>>7638826
I have seen inflation furry porn and cummed on chairs in galleries. What is your point?

>>7638812
I'd say you can also do that if you color pic, but you seem too retard

>>7638827
Tomboyfag did that. He burned out

>>7638825
So thats it then? just stick to a niche and do only that forever?

>>7638828
the point is they're not trying to go for what you consider skilled. they're trying to be in the trad art space.

>>7638818
when you post your art, you need to clarify what kind of feedback you are looking for, specially when it comes to stylized stuff. If I see your work and you say to me "its suposed to look funky". What the fuck you want me to tell you then?

>>7638833
Yeah, look at the gardevoir/meowscarada guy, he only draws 2 fucking pokemon over and over.

>>7638827
Do you think Niggercattle that goes to rap festivals or rave whores will go to the opera in the weekends?
People will follow what they like and their tastes arent wide most of the time.
Draw what you want and people who like it will follow it.
>>7638835
Dude I have seen xim struggle with the most basics of fundamentals like perspective and this whole muh fain art is just bullshit to justify being unable to draw anything that isnt a foggy face and a obese torso.
Fine art is also finished pieces and paintings that take months to make and not just the swirly sketches that you can find in old master sketchbooks.

>>7638848
And? He draws what he loves and the following he has are people who will always be there to praise what he likes drawing.

>>7638848
If he enjoys it it's all good and all, but if he hates his gimmick he is gonna burn out

>>7638848
I might do that as an experiment on using an alt account and see what happens drawing blatant effortless coom only...

>>7638777
I like the shading you got a good grasp of colors and lighting, but you need a bit more focus on anatomy/perspective/volume. The chest is nice, but the abs are completely flat, and probably as a consequence of that, the adonis belt is entirely fucked. collarbone/traps is also a very messed up area, all wonky and overall looks flat. IMO it's the hardest part of the torso, so practice that a lot, focus on learning the different volumes that make it up and practice that from various angles. same with arms, focus on how the deltoid bulges and sticks out more than the triceps/biceps, not the other way around.

>>7638851
That's what i'm saying

>>7638849
and yet, I've made more money off of my work than you ever have. funny how that happens, maybe fundamental skill isn't everything, lol

>>7638853
>blatant effortless coom
Why are you so quick to disrespect other artists' wants and tastes and what they choose to pour over thousands of hours into?
I follow this guy who is a classically trained artist with experience in oil painting and he can draw amazing backgrounds but he loves petrification and bondage too much and that is what he loves drawing and people pay him to see more of it.

>>7638853
pyw
it won't matter if you don't have appeal

>>7638857
I make more money selling off-label adhd meds and xanax and homegrown weed than anyone in this whole board combined could hope to make selling art and that doesnt make me my opinion wrong.
I have seen cubfur pedos selling their soiled diapers through Ebay. Do you think it gives their argument any value?

>>7638867
doesn't matter, the people that like my art are the people I want to like my art, which are other people into fine work. you can dislike it all you want, but it doesn't change the fact I'll get money and praise for it either way, and get commissions etc. just how the cookie crumbles

>>7638830
Color picking wont give you proper sense of form, good value range and accuracy.
You are trying to play down how talented he is with stupid and insane copes because you cant bear the fact that others have more potential than you.
Cope and seethe.

erm... someone remove the drug dealer please

this place wont be the same without Deer, farewell

>>7638874
Deer is just some posts above you retard

Someone posted deersis armpits and face in the server.
I think I have fallen in love bros.

>>7638877
yeah, but I may leave. there's nothing of value for me here lol. i can go into other spaces where I get actual help and valuable criticism instead of getting crabbed by gooner retards. i was only here for peril and a couple of the good anons, anyway. it's pointless at this point, being here is unproductive.

>>7638860
>Why are you so quick to disrespect other artists' wants and tastes
dont be silly know. Obvioulsy the guy has skill but he draws the same disproportionate bodies over an over again. It doesnt matter if he secretly has a portfolio of fine arts, Im talking about the work he posts and has followers by.

>>7638863
>not an argument

Does anyone have any guidance on how to approach drawing bones? I don't understand how to draw curvature in space, such as when the eye sockets aren't completely straight but tilted. Or, how to represent a zygomatic that's receding at tilted angles.

>>7638884
i'm not arguing retard, i want to see if you have appeal, just drawing cooms won't do nothing and you'll rely on luck only

>>7638881
thread used to be useful until April/May, don't know what happened, probably it was when the new schizo dropped
i think what your hate is because people think you're a girl and obviously you draw gay stuff, so yeah sadly it won't stop

>>7638887
then why do you care about my work? by your own logic:
>if my work is shitty and I have no followers, its fair,
>if my work is good and I have followers, its fair,
>if my work is good but i bave no followers, I have no luck,
>and if my work is good and I have no folowers, I have no luck

Summer night doodle with husbando <3

>>7638780
This sounds so fucking cool mate keep posting I love these. Anywhere to read your stuff?

>>7638896
yeah, and everyone fun is gone. i also realize posting here isn't good for my art either. because i feel the need to post images with my replies i just do two minute drawings instead of focused studies or paintings like I used to, and I haven't been motivated to paint at all even though I'm much more interested in painting than drawing because it doesn't add to the dopamine reward factor of posting a two minute sketch, so it's not functional for me to continue posting here if it's not artistically helping me. I'll still be here to cheer other people on i guess or read peril comics but I get literally zero benefit from posting my doodles now, redblobfag left again and he was the only person who was helping me.

>>7638897
why are you so defensive? just post your stuff and people will see if needs improvement

>>7638885
by what you said your problem is, i'd simplify the forms more and more until i'd get it. try and build it out of one simple shape in perspective. even if it looks wrong, you just need to get how it's placed in space.

>>7638825
>get rich
lol lmao

this drug dealer autist ruined the thread, why won't mods do shit

we got mods?

>>7635707
Page 4 done! So I spend these two days since I posted the previous one, writing in a notebook. I have the script for the next 25 pages, still no sex in the story LMAO. I've gotta admit that the writing part is my favorite. The art is quite mechanic, wich is good, but still, I'll try to experiment with composition and other visual variations to make this worth it as an art exercise.
>>7635715
>im always a big fan of exaggerated stuff
>and cheesy stuff
Well, you may like this one then, xD Thank you!
>>7635723
>i wonder, what's led him to become so easily fixated on her..
Because she's beautiful, and freaking hot? Men get in love just with the back of a body walking under a dress. I love to explore the psychological concept of that sensible nature in a beast capable of the most insane cruelty, and put it to extreme tests, like in a lab lol...
>>7635731
>youre too kind Peril, have the full pic
>nice work as usual
Thank you so much for the pic! Saved! Solving facial expressions under hard angles with such elegance and simplicity is truly valuable and a treasure to have as ref.
>>7638543
Ahh someday I'll try to do something like this. Beautiful
>>7638591
Peak KINO
>>7638556
That's the torso study from the previous thread? Looking good so far
>>7638780
Oh shit! Thank you so much for sharing this, man!
>>7638777
NNNNNICE!!!
>>7638886
W-what? storytelling in muh b-board? This is fucking fantastic! Thanks anon! Saved!

>>7638951
>That's the torso study from the previous thread?
Well those were mine yes. Glad you remembered.
thanks for posting another part! Really enjoying these stories. Is this an original story or is it based on a book?

posting update on the art, doing lineart rn
https://files.catbox.moe/43nbfp.mp4

>>7638777
Really cool rendering anon.

>>7638808
>Pawe
I already told you this is not the right general for you.

>>7638910
I dont need improvement, I need luck

>>7638966
Fuck off crab

>>7638966
it isn't. just need to jump ship. ty anon.

>>7638967
People seem to like transformations, like tomboyfag did, i've seen another guy going viral by transforming bugs into armored girls or something
Try something like that + coom and pray

>>7638967
Not everyone who worked hard succeeded but every schizo who made it worked hard.

>>7638962
Share ref?

>>7638980
So permabegschizo has a chance if he works hard?

>>7638983
Elliehaze is her name, can't find the ref rn.
>>7638985
No

>>7638980
Its funny because the works I try hard are the ones people less give a shit about, but once in a while I do a simple fanart I don't think much about and it gets more (you)s

ahhh soulless

>>7638951
great faces, as always

>>7638898
oh man this looks great
the guy on the left reminds me a bit of geto

>>7638985
def not

this shit has more soul

>>7638990
>the works I try hard
You are doing this for yourself ultimately, the public is low grazing cattle, whether you get a reaction depends on how low you are willing to go to suit their taste.
Separate personal work from public attention gathering slop.

I like how I drew this hand

>>7638991
Thank you! It is Geto <3!

>>7639008
damn you good af sista

i followed this >>7637526 correction
>>7639008
crazy good

i can copy and reference anime gooner stuff pretty well if I use a 2d ref and not a 3d one maybe I should do that for commissions but then I'd feel like an art thief which is why I never use 2d references

>>7638523
Are you just guessing at how the shadow should cast? Have you been taught how to actually place down a cast shadow? Learning it early in your journey makes your understanding of light better later on

I can't do anything, I can't make a normal figure, I have good shapes, perspective and lines, I can't draw anything beautiful and correct, I'm tired of everything...

I can do everything

>>7638992
pls accept my twitter request

>>7638898
fellow procreatefren what brush are you using?

>>7639024
>>7639040
Thank you!!

>>7639077
Default 6B pencil and default round brush

>>7639068
So? Gonna kill yourself?

>>7639089
Good thread with good advice, Kys scumbag, although what else can you expect, you still don't help

>>7639068
pyw

>>7639093
Didn't quite catch that Raj, just draw or don't draw and quit bitching

can someone just ban this faggot crab already

we should crab the crab

>>7639101
he won't post his work because he knows he's awful

>>7639099
Me?

this stupid retarded faggot has been derailing and ruining the thread for weeks and mods won't do shit

calling it for today
if anyone has any tips on how to make the lifted arm look better that'd be great
https://files.catbox.moe/pcrjdj.mp4

>>7639008
goated
>>7639073
gotcha :3

>>7639130
it's me

>>7639131
AHAHAHHAHAHA

im the one shitting passive aggressively

>>7639140
what if you made it a little more dramatic?
https://files.catbox.moe/y7w352.mp4

>>7639154
stop scribble
draw for fun instead of grinding expecting to become better
and lastly stop schizoposting

>>7638511
Supah quick Challensheru
>>7638960
Thank you Thank you! No, this one is an original idea, I have tons of these stories. I just came up with this one, I hope I can stay interested in it. I'll try to come up with some mental strategy to stay focused in this project.
Thanks for the cool process video!
>>7639124
Great line work, so clean. Those legs are perfect too.
>>7638991
Thank you!!! I'm so glad you liked it.

>>7638906
Hey Tremor! thank you for your words! About your struggle, don't worry man, you'll be fine. The same exact thing happens to me. I put so much work and "intention" in these projects and maybe no one take a single look at them, but that's not the point. We're doing the work and once it's done, you have it. Maybe we can post it or use it much later, but the hard part is to make these pieces in the first place. And a place like this can be useful in that regard, as a Placebo, just a "fake device" to motivate you to do stuff that you wouldn't do otherwise. Use it in your advantage, don't suffer for it.

>>7639160
If I can't draw normal shapes then there's no point in drawing what I like, I try, I read Morpho, Hampton, but nothing works, everything is in crooked shapes and bad perspective. I try to draw normal lines but then it would look even worse

doodle

>>7639164
tysm peril. honestly the biggest reason I'm still in these threads is you haha, you're such a beacon of positivity and I love reading your work.

>>7639166
post ur disc ill help tomorrow

>>7638514
Trash?

>>7639173
Mogs me

>>7639170
https://discord.gg/rCKMmnsG

>>7638920
Thanks anon. I'll try to brute force my way out of it for now.

>>7639164
hhihi np :3
>>7639008
(i dropped this) thats a nice drawing btw

I’m struggling with the skirt folds any advice? I can’t find a good reference

and another one
this is cute desu

>>7639185
buy a skirt, wear it in the pose you want, and go from there

>>7639192
this is grounds for getting banned

Doing details and hatching is very tiring and time-consuming. But God, is it worth it.

3rd strike studies i did + a viego

crying over spilled milk (its cum)

>>7639197
what's wrong with snails

>>7639202
sexo

>>7639173
your shadow areas should be much more uniform and not strung together by patchy patterns and lines. also why only make half an attempt in larger/significant areas like the side of the face and the left arm? there are distinct, consistent shadow shapes in those areas and, respectfully, you just didn't complete them.

>>7639202
3RD STRIKE YO'
YOOOOOOOOOOO'

>>7639202
Nice, whenever I try to do abs they always come out looking super weird, got any tips?

>>7638657
>just draw the rest of the owl

just draw

>>7638520
startedgettingtired

>>7639276
He must be slaying hot bitches left and right, now that he's free from this cursed hellhole

>>7639286
this place is a shithole and no one should ever post here

>>7639330
There are worse places, like twatter or pixiv.

i lied

>>7639276
he was unemployed and starving for a few months and just got a job recently but hasn't had any time to bless us

Can I get some critique?

>>7639407
it doesn’t really look like shes actually leaning back/sitting on the couch, idk if its cause the rendering style of the couch is sort of different than the rendering style of the character but it doesn’t look natural and sort of clashes.
the character design looks really cool though, maybe its just me but her hands could be ever so slightly bigger.

practicing 1 point perspective and foreshortening.

>>7639424
wip

>>7639348
No matter how many melties you have, you're here forever.

>>7639348
Can you draw Noelle getting raped next

>>7639407
>that ankle
should be more curved, not triangular

>>7639476
did you see that kino asgore x noelle art it made me so fucking horny I almost had a seizure
but yeah sure ofc

>>7639403
>unemployed and starving
literally the best time to draw
opportunities wasted!

>>7639403
>>7639483
>10 years of drawing: starving
>meanwhile tomboyfag can already live off his art alone Blackpill

First completed figure and I feel pretty happy about it

Seeing all of my fav artists being left-handed is radicalizing me.

>>7639519
>not ambidextrous
L

>>7639514
BASED thank you
I need to draw

>>7639522
I will do more i love doe abuse but my hand feels like it's dying rn
come draw some doe rape it's good for the "soul" uhuhu

>>7639519
>radicalizing me
to what?

>>7639520
Exactly. I am right-handed.
It shows it was over right from the start.

>>7639527
>ambidextrous
>still suck
what now

>>7639527
>it was over right from the start
that's cus you were born a heartlet who'll find any excuse other than his own incompetence.

>>7638514
i need to work on my observation skills. this took way too long.

>>7639533
My incompetence was right from the start.

>>7639544
said the tinman

>>7639541
>this took way too long
if the quality isn't there, you shouldn't be thinking about duration at all

>>7639547
Just proving my lack of potential.

>>7639550
I never read Oz. Wasnt the Lion the coward?

>>7639552
not gonna hold your hand here

>>7639552
Life hack: listen to audio books while drawing

>>7639557
I understand now. Anon is calling him a braindead moron.

how tough is it to learn coloring
should I get some pencils of color to practice with

>>7639574
If you have talent? 1 month as favelabro proved.
If you dont? Lmao.

>>7639574
alcohol markers
easier than drawing by a long shot

>>7639574
around 3.5

>>7639486
does tomboyfag actually make any money from comms
i thought he just had a couple viral xeets

even he is baffled why there isnt a monkey

>>7639514
ehehhe

>>7639576
ecoline based markers are noice

>>7639574
coloured pencils are probably harder than markers
you have to do a LOT of layering to get the intended effects you want and the sharpness of your pencil tip matters too

>>7639579
LMAO

>>7639482
i cant believe i missed the little goat? being in the corner

>>7639587
huh?

>>7639582
based non monkie
>>7639583
this exactly, you can learn markers adequately really fast, and they're just nicer. And really fun to draw with on their own like this imo

Sketched something on my tablet I doodled at work.on paper.

you can see I used some color pencils here on the animal folks and you can see that it's really better for light touches in traditional work. unless you're going to spend hours rendering something because you just have to use too many layers to get density
>>7639591
hehe yeah that's my "self insert" perhaps

>>7639575
lol, i've been autistically focused on painting since february

>>7639579
yeah, first month was better tho

>>7639595
i dont know what species that is, but that looks based as all hell
and thanskies eheheh|

>>7639599
i like it
i remember it from previous threads

the drawing is old, but these two fools are both self inserts, they dont do much except lurking
one always cries about little crumbs

>>7639602
me but with sumi-e style paintings

4 minute eachish marker doodles markers r wonderful
>>7639604
based self insert

>>7639613
oops lost my image

crying

laughing

finished the practice sheet from last thread

bweeehhhhhh

Lighting cigs like this with husbsndo aaaa

>>7639130
>>7639184
Tyyyy

>>7639202
The fluid intentional and confident strokes hnnnng I love these aaa I’m so jealous I need to practice dynamic poses much more

>>7639209
Slurp

>>7639599
Stunning

>>7639620
thank you, means a lot from someone as good as you!

is 4chan slow? images are charging at snail peace

>>7639623
its ur internet

>>7639623
permabeg internet.

>>7639185
Started painting it and feeling a bit stuck on lighting and hiding my line art a but more

markers are easily the best medium desu, they're super fun to draw color etc

>satisfied with my beg tier figures and want to start finishing a drawing for the first time after work today (head, hands, feet)
>how do I draw simple eyes and expressions?
>oh, you gotta feel da forms and anatomy to understand even cartoony eyes
>oh shoot even if I grind out a pixel perfect eyeball it’s useless unless I have a head constructed for perspective
>guess I gotta into loomis some more and study skulls?
>fuck, blook ball isn’t working because I can’t even draw an ellipse on a circle
>am constantly tense so I death grip the stylus and max the pressure
>tension headache increases and can only produce wobbly arcs with no weigh variation
>want to keep drawing but clearly need to go run or lift away the tension
>end up not drawing anymore today
>feel empty
Gayblog over, i won’t whine about demoralization anymore: so I’ll ask a question about ergonomics.

Being an office jockey I can appreciate good ergonomics. How do you anons draw? On a table? Lap? Sitting up? Lounging? I’ve been trying to draw on my couch personally with my iPad propped up in a low angle case on my lap because it’s the most comfortable place to sit for hours In my house.

>>7639524
Ok I dont wanna be asking for something and not also drawing it myself

>>7639624
>>7639626

>>7639628
I’d mute the yellow a little

>>7639636
it is you just mocking my utter lack of talent

>>7639639
good job anon!! doe abuse is kino. doing gods work

>>7639644
;3

>>7639637
>oh, you gotta feel da forms and anatomy to understand even cartoony eyes
I don’t think that’s really true to be honest. I can do anime eyes way better than realistic ones. Picrel is just something I doodled in a few minutes, not my best work.

>>7638686
Just squint your eyes lmfaooooooo

Probably won't draw in ink today since I had some late meetings today

Color sketches

>>7639617
Those are some very nice General Grievous sketches.

>>7639668
Got tips for crystal?

Cant draw faces

>>7639677
prove it

>>7639674
Think in planes.
Idk man it's my 1st time painting them as well

Some imaginary figures, trying to come up with an oc, liking the pants so far

>>7639617
>practice sheet
I missed it, what's the practice sheet?

>>7639690
pro in thread. teach us your ways

Tarzan's art is just incredible

>>7639163
Good attempt. You made a great effort to retain the negative shapes. One thing I think is holding you back is the lack of overlapping shapes and lines.

>>7639168
nice concept

>>7639185
You will solve things much faster if you look at other people's art and see how they approached it. The boorus are an incredible resource.

>>7639284
really good

>>7639407
You rushed it to the rendering stage. There are too many things that could use a bit more time to mature. There's no sense of gravity (quash), the her left leg feels disjointed and so on. That said, there is an idea I like it. One more thing,conceptually I don't think the ahoge makes sense in this context.

>>7639628
>>7639641
the values are hard to read, try adding the lightest values to the face.

>>7639668
good work

>>7638808
>>7638818
An effective critique request comes with a clear goal statement in mind.
>people didn't even realize my construction studies were all wide angle and intentionally distorted
That’s actually a sign of poor communication on your part. You're failing to clearly abstract and express your intent artistically.
If you're aiming for "fine art" and exaggerated anatomy, Jenny Saville is probably one of the best references. Her work is brutal and grotesque, with incredibly vivid colors.

Horni sketchin at 4am

>>7639622
Aaa np np I love how gentle and delicate your stuff is

>>7639668
That crystal is so pretty omg

>>7639690
Holy shiiiiiii HNNNNNG

>>7639693
just filling the canvas with doodles

a meme
>>7639718
aah thank you! your stuff is lovely

who or tf what, dictates the wrinkles on a shirt? How do you know its too much or too little? im gonna die never knowing the shirt wrinkle god's ways

Im so slow

>>7639749
good job anon, I'll render one of mine tomorrow

>>7638777
with some sharp edges and dark accents you can make it look less blurry

>>7639753
This looks great anon, which artists inspired your rendering style?

>>7639480
Thought this was a monster

>>7639778
depending on your perspective, it is

>>7639759
thanks! sadly i have to give the boring answer that its just an algamation of all kinds of artists. but to not leave you empty handed ill give you chenbearpig and bason chen.

>>7639820
Thanks, I'll check them out

>>7639040
Is there something else I need to fix?

Took a little under 30 minutes
And I forgot to frame the pose AGAIN.

Can somebody point me to a good resource on musculature btw and critique if I've drawn the muscles correctly?

Also, HOW MAEK FEET?
I try to lay out the soles after drawing a basic structure and then build in 3d on that but the toes are always shit and the foot itself is utter shit 60% of the time.

>>7638898
Beautiful

>>7639866
Forgot pic

>>7639866
>Also, HOW MAEK FEET?
Copy Ryou Imamura

>>7639750
Thanks, I look forward to further doe rape

>>7639869
I can't find any refs for feet specifically from him. And I do want to focus on realistic feet and proportions first before I stylize the way I want eventually.

what can i do to improve my inking? everything looks so much uglier when i try to "finish" it. are there drills or something i can do? ignore how lazy i was with the hair on these i had gotten discouraged by how shit the rest looked by then

>>7639902
Clean lines look better than the sketches so I'm not sure what you're on about.
Guess you could study up on lineweight if you want to improve something

Just a drawing from today :)

>>7638586
Nice, but why are her eyes hidden? Is she blind?

>>7638780
Nice. What's the character with golden mask? That looks cool

>>7639902
Depends on how much effort you want to put in and what you want it to look like. Some inking styles are still pretty sketchy. You could clean your sketch up a bit more, the refine it into inked lines. Could take two or three passes.
Also everyone is a bit blind to their own inking, usually it looks fine to other people.

Saw this recently, pretty good advice. 1st tip might not help some people.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wnhUnBnIFkc
This too, long and rambly but worth watching.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc850blMZkI

>>7639902
prebeg advice but you should ink what gives your sketch it's personality. For the right portrait for example, the line at the end of his mouth is much shorter in the inked version while it looks much better in the sketch.

There's always the issue that since you ink over the sketch, it's difficult to see what exactly makes it worse/better while inking so for the first few times maybe you should photograph the sketch and reference that while you ink?

For the line weights and stuff, other more experienced anons are advising better.

>>7639932
Also desu your inks do look fine to me. Ehat you're probably experiencing is that the hazy form of the sketch makes you brain fill in some details with the image you have in mind, making it feel better than it actually is.

>>7639865
you can push the perspective a bit more

>>7639952
giga mogged

>>7639679
I fell asleep at my desk and now my neck hurts.

>>7639902
i copied a lot of nice manga art I liked and gradually my inking improved

but more importantly, the better I got at drawing, the better I got at inking, even more than when I was directly studying inking

>>7639902
the first time you ink and color your work is always a shock becasue it reveals all your mistakes to you for the first time. I still remember the first time I ever colored in a drawing of mine and that caused me to be so depressed and anxious I spent the next 3 months studying color theory. That didn't improve my work at all though, because color was not the reason why I was upset, it was simple drawing mistakes. Just working on your fundies will improve your inking and coloring automatically, I promise

>>7640008
oh that might be the reason why i never liked my own ink drawings
i managed to kind of circumvent it by these brushes but goddamn that took me 8 months to figure out

>>7638799
5% skill
10% style
120% massive tits

>>7639972
giga pyw

>>7640012
my advice doesn't apply to you, becasue you're already awesome at drawing (and inking)

sorry i can't help :(

Damn lately I seem to regress most of the time and I can't spot my mistakes.

Help please I can't visualize

Feedback please

I'm trying to extrapolate the pose of a clothed reference. But the proportions near her hidden leg seem very off to me. How do I fix that? It's supposed to bend backwards at the knee and then rest on the toes.

Also, does she look like she exists on the floating chair and floor tile? or does she look floaty?

Sorry for the poor contrast in pic, I used a hard pencil this time so I can easily work over it with a softer pencil once I'm satisfied with the body and pose.

Posting the ref after this post.

>>7640053
The jaw is not spaced from the lips and closes too abruptly like a prism on the bottom end. Also the right cheek (from the subject's view) looks bloated because it's supposed to be turned slightly away from the picture plane.

Same with the eyes, the line that connects the two should be a little slanted towards the horizon and the left eye(subject pov) should be bigger than the right due to foreshortening.

And the nose points straight out at the picture, it should be turned away.

Otherwise it's alright. Good job anon.

>>7640084
And I feel that her hips are a little botched too. I tried to flatten it but it looks more like she's sitting on a flat bed and her sides are not interacting with the curved arms of the chair as drawn at all (nvm that, that's not how the chair is in the ref. I drew it so I should adhere to that).

>>7640084
Also, yes my feet and hands suck and I need some serious practice there.

>>7640087
Massively cool

>>7640086
>nvm that, that's not how the chair is in the ref..
I should phrase it as "ignore how the chair is in the ref.."

>>7640086
I know this person. I never expected her photos be shown on 4chan of all places wtf

>>7640036
thats really nice of you :3

''sorry i can't help '' ahwwww
i suppose you still can with the shading, and how to draw other animals. im decent at drawing monkeys but lose the plot at any other humanoid animal

ps. what animal is he?
he looks cute

>>7640095
It's from this ref pack >>7638535
Great ref pack honestly. She's done a great job, thank her for me if you see her again.

>>7640098
Yes Howard Lyon makes very good packs. It's just jarring seeing her posted here.

>>7640098
Wait oh wow, that pack is her and her sister. Well, damn, I'm at a loss. It's so strange, like seeing your family randomly be posted on 4chan

>>7640100
who is this person to you?

>>7640100
I can understand. Especially on a slow board like /ic/, it must feel like a very small world.

>>7638617
shadow doesnt add up with the box
it feels like the light has inverted axis somehow

>>7640105
I can't say because now I'm not sure who you are and if you know these people then you probably know me so let's just leave it at I didn't expect to see her
>>7640106
yeah pretty bizarre

>>7640108
Even if they don't know her, it wouldn't be very hard to find out, so yeah, don't.

>>7640016
I post my work here regularly, thank god I'm not getting deathmogged by an int passing by who casually in 15 minutes tenfold improves what took me days. I wouldn't be able to truly finish the work after that, knowing that no matter what I do, a much superior version is floating somewhere on the internet.

>>7640134
i personally always hope that some redlinefag corrects my stuff whenever I post
its not easy to see your own mistakes and you can learn a lot by someone else pointing it out especially with a redline

deltarune....

>>7640138
Redlines are good, but repaints and remakes like that kill it for me.

>>7640134
What a bitchmade, fatherless mentality.

no one ever redlines me but Russia i miss him

>>7640147
idk i liked russias repaints he usually changed them enough that they didn't feel bad and they were helpful a lot. maybe it's just bc he's literally the only person who redlined me though

>>7640147
i aprecciate repaints too, you can learn proper lighting and r endering from them (assuming the repaints are good and correct of course)

>>7640153
I miss him the most, wish i saved more stuff of him
I actually know a guy that knows him but he doesnt seem to post anywhere iirc

i need to draw more skulls but i don't wanna be a generic wendigofag .....
>>7640160
yeah he was great & very helpful

once I figure out how to draw appealing hands and forearms I'll be gucci since I've gotten ok at perspective with a reference even if unreffed it's still trash but. fuck i hate drawing hands and forearms

>>7640166
Do you start with the sharp lines in these sketches, or do you begin by lightly blocking out the basic shapes and forms first?

>>7640184
blocking out basic shapes for this one and hard lines for the dinosaur

Cross-posting from the Loomis study thread. 3 day doing "blooks" and I'm starting to experiment a bit more. I'm the guy who sometimes posts copies I've made of fanart of Jeff the Killer and stuff like that. This book is actually pretty good, because I can actually somewhat follow it. I hope I won't fall off when I get to drawing bodies.

>>7640194
i would make the nose a bit shorter
and lower the titties a tiny bit

>>7640194
this looks like cursed korean plastuc surgery meme

>>7640202
Mogs >>7639978

how do I get myself to draw longer? do I set a timer and force myself to work for that period?

>>7640251
>force
it's over before it even began...

>>7640253
i can't remember the last time I drew something for longer than 15 minutes i have zero attention span

>>7640251
Just draw until you're sufficiently satisfied with what you've done in the moment.

If you feel like you've finished and have free time left(not in a timer, just life in general), walk around for a couple minutes before coming back to look at what you've drawn and you'll start noticing mistakes. You might not be able to correct them but try.

Enjoyment can't be forced.

>>7640251
I like using windows built in focus sessions. 20 minutes gives you 15 min of focus and 5 min break

>>7640256
>i have zero attention span
you have 0 interest in drawing

>>7640257
thanks for the advice
>>7640258
hmm this sounds like a good idea. it doesn't help that I draw super fast so my output is fucked already. i need to think when I draw more. i keep wondering why everything I've drawn lately has sucked and then realize I haven't spent more than 15 minutes on something in over a month lol and most of my drawings average around 5

>>7640260
no I love drawing i just can't focus on one drawing for long so i just start a new one i don't think when I draw it's an automated action which is apparently a problem idk
even when I do timed figure sessions for 2 minutes i usually tap out around 45 seconds so all of my figures are around 45secs

So how the FUCK do I get started painting digitally? I feel like it's so much harder to do than drawing. Drawing just gives you concepts that you could easily transfer to a tablet but painting feels like it's specific.

I want to start working with color and value, but no idea where to start. Is there like a course for digital painting or some shit?

>>7640269
what i like to do is paint in black and white first and add colors after

>>7640269
Dont be too hard on yourself but do keep trying. Even if you watch alot of guides on how to do it sometimes it takes a little while for knowldege to sink in and be applied when you make something. Don't get discouraged, lookup what you need on youtube and keep trying.

so how the FUCK do I draw faces cute and in perspective?
Do you guys draw the face first and build the head around it or draw the skull first and then the face.

>>7640134
>>7640147
You are too focused on getting a good result vs focusing on learning

More fun the second way

>>7640290
>it's more fun to be an eternal studylet, actually

>>7640299
You realize everyone in every skill studies constantly, right? You have a retarded way of looking at skill.

>>7640299
Yeah i think i should start shaking and pissing whenever someone is better than me instead.

Do you think some day youre done learning in life? "You won, roll credits". Maybe less vidya

>>7640269
Well, did you know how to paint traditionally? The concepts still transfer over, you just use different techniques to achieve desired effects. If you didn't know how to paint traditionally then you're just learning how to use color and value in general.

The day I say I've won, is the day I know I've lost.

>>7640309
very cute. oc? may i draw?

>>7640313
it's not my OC, but a drawing I made of someone's OC, go for it

>>7640307
So should I learn traditional painting and try to adapt as I try to apply the concepts?

>>7640251
I need to buy some amphetamine...

>>7640325
I meant to say that of course you're struggling, you don't know how to paint in general, going from trad pencil drawing to digital can feel daunting because its a different medium. Learn in which ever way is easiest for you. The skills you learn either way are transferrable because you'll be training fundamental knowledge. Each medium has its own obstacles. I learned digital first then worked backwards from that to learn trad.

quick sillies

>>7638885
Hello fellow beg, if you look at the left most box, it has diagonal lines running and intersecting in the middle of the box. You can use that to make an outermost plane, and gauge the size and length of the form within the plane using that. You're doing a good job estimating the curves of the form, just remember to use more squarish forms to get the proportions right.

Finished up the anatomy and pose extrapolation of this ref >>7640086.

Definitely the best face I've done and I think I've done a serviceable job rendering the bottom half in perspective although the hip part may be a little off, feedback appreciated.

Now, I must ask. Hairchads, how do you do it? I had to improvise to make the hair look passable (for myself). And how do I draw the many free fine hair in the reference?

Pls critique.

Also, experimented a little with the manual camera options on my phone. My pictures should be more readable now.

>>7640309
Cool anon. How do you get the exaggerated inwards perspective looking right?

>>7640455
Also, this marks 5 days and I think I've improved somewhat so far, probably low/beg/ now so thanks to all the anons who have dispensed advice.

I want to do value studies next. How should I start with that?

>>7640455
I have to study fabric too I guess. That's what I picked this ref set for honestly but I guess this pose extrapolation is very time consuming for me.

>>7640439
do you think he can actually run tv channels on his face?

cool hair btw

>>7640275
100 percent plastic chair

>>7640012

>>7640464
wow monke that looks really cool
yeah I think he can
i like tenna. i wish i could animate so I could animate him with his penis out

>>7640455
What do you mean inwards perspective? The 3/4ths angle? For this one I just chose an angle that accentuates the small waist and hips. It's a pretty common pose for sexualizing female characters, specifically that flow of movement in the contours that I've highlighted with red lines. I'm not saying you should use it for everything, but it's like a cheat code for making a provocative drawing with minimal effort if done right. Maybe that's what you mean?

>>7640473
No I mean the foreshortening on the legs and the pose in general, how do you construct it?

>>7640465
that would be based
im asking bc if yes you can ride him cowboy while he streams porn XD

and thanskies, i finally found a decent solution to my everlasting mountain question

>>7640455
I respect your grind and effort, but what do you mean "I've done a serviceable job rendering the bottom half in perspective"? She looks like someone attached a midget's legs to a normal personXD. You definitely saw it too, right?
And hey, I'm also ass so my opinion isn't worth much, but I think that your mistake with legs is that you were trying too hard to draw them in perspective, when there's no need for it. Her legs are just as close to the observer, as the rest of her body. Actually, they are even closer than her torso, so if anything, the legs would look bigger in perspective, not smaller. Idk, hope it makes sense, not trying to be a crab

>>7640478
here you go.

>>7639952
how is it now? i tried copying the things i liked about yours

>>7640492
truly a work of art
(i forgot text bubble but monkey should say ''give me the best shit or i will give you cum enema)

>>7640502
thats a filled condom in his antlers btw

what's the biggest pose reference library? pinterest?

>>7640506
onlyfans pirating site

>>7640507
yeah coomer is good for nude refs but what about sfw poses?

>>7640509
Just add clothes yourself

>>7640502
wow it's beautiful i love it so much have this little tenna animation

>>7640475
Oh uh, I honestly just eyeballed it. Even now I can see the errors with it and the anatomy. It's just internalized understanding of the forms and perspective thrown together in a quick drawing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jPt2BENhRA&t=169s

That video goes over some techniques that help people with foreshortening

>>7640455
Pick better references. Since you're just starting out, stick with nude models for now. This kind of guesswork on her legs is really not doing you any favors.

How long should it take somebody who's been drawing with just the wrist movements to develop control and precision when drawing with elbow arm movements? I've been trying to make this switch for 4 days now, about an hour per day and there's no progress. I can't even draw a straight line half of the time

one day i will learn how to draw clothes

>>7640526
Is this Aska?

>>7640511
hells yeah :3

>>7640493
Very nice anon

>>7640531
rin tohsaka
does kinda look like asuka too now that you say that tho

27minutes
cant draw today

>>7640644
cute

>>7640655
such a cute oggie thank you

>>7640644
ahww

>>7640655
very cool

>>7640680
ty monkey cool creatures

more drawing
tired of anatomy and proportions and things making sense

IDK what I was even doing with this
just feeling depressed idk

Flustered husbando before I go back to deep-cleaning the kitchen in today’s midnight manic episode

based woman only thread holy shit

another drawing, aimless
maybe he's at work and a coworker asks what the bruises on his neck are from, and he blushes bc he knows it's from his boyfriend choking the shit out of him last night

>>7640798
I'm no woman,I have a penis

>>7640807
>I'm no woman,I have a penis
proof?

>>7640808
https://litter.catbox.moe/uz203id53qdd72gr.jpg

>>7640813
New /beg/ lore just dropped and it's kino bros

>>7640813
I didn't need to see that

dogshit general

>>7640819
then why click on it
context made it pretty obvious what it was going to be

ey yo

>>7640813
I genuinely appreciate the pic, but just to be sure could we see another angle with your penis and balls between your ass? this is purely for confirmation purposes.

>>7640813
>>7640776
>>7640774
i love you so much Paige chan. god bless you and i hope you heal
>>7640823
great stuff
>>7640796
you are so kino and inspriing unfortunately my hand feels like it's gonna fall off so this is the best I can yume today

>>7640825
no
>>7640829
u too deeranon nice tenna

>>7640830
>no