We fell off the board. We rose from the ashes. Time to get back to work, everyone!
Thread questions: What are some hacks you discovered that make working in your studio much easier and you wish you'd have known of them from the start?

I've been going around the bookstores today, got reminded of the guy looking for Christian art

>>7645426
That's from Wieslaw Banach, art historian and director of the Beksinski Museum in Sanok.
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wies%C5%82aw_Banach

Also got reminded of OP

A lot

>>7645705
>>7645706
kek
Also, isn't the next Taschen sale in August?

>>7645708
If it is, I've dodged a bullet, I've spent 2 hours thumbing through the big pricy ones. I was looking for Rembrandt or Turner, but there are so many books and editions and the reproductions are so radically different I couldn't decide which one to get. Only got a small Dore book in the end.

>>7645758
>but there are so many books and editions and the reproductions are so radically different
It's true. The worst thing is that when you eventually end up seeing the original it's completely different from all the reproductions you've seen.
However, values are usually kept in reproductions, even when you have old b/w artbooks. Having visual resources on your shelf is extremely important in the age of AI poisoning in internet search results. So good job on getting more physical references / inspiration!
Death to the rotting corpse that is corporate internet

What have you been working on, friends?

>>7645823
I will probably paint today or maybe tomorrow

>>7645830
Nice! What are you going to paint?

>>7645832
Stop pressuring me!

>>7645843
I'm sorry! I believe in you. Take your time. You're productive, no matter at what speed. :)

https://omgwowart.wordpress.com/artist-dawyd-doomsday/ original oil painting by Dawyd Doomsday

>>7645874
it's Dawyid

>>7645874
Is this you?

>>7645823
Trying to print etchings with an old cast iron wringer.
It's a lot of work, the inking process and getting the press to behave but I think I'm figuring it out.

Need to buy more plates and some acid to do the etching also.

>>7645936
>Need to buy more plates and some acid to do the etching also.
Stay safe, anon!
Huge props for getting into printing and etching though. Anything you can show so far?

>>7645703
If he knows so much, why is he in Poland?

>>7645971
Because that's where Beksinski is to be found.

>>7645985
Beksinski was killed by a Polak, he wasn't smart either.
Poland, not even once.

>>7646003
It is a sad tale indeed. But at least he painted hundreds of paintings and did thousands of drawings. Bleak Poland is also kino to look at. Very inspiring.

Mini canvas I recently painted for a mini art show.

>>7646143
Also just began blocking in this one.

>>7645703
Im the original anon, who was talking about him being a surrealist. I dont know what the agenda of this guy is, but arguing Beksinski is an expressionist and not surrealist, is just stupid. And pointless, really, is not like Expressionism is a better style than Surrealism is. The term is just more precise, for those kinds of paintings.
>>7645823
I had to start working as a tattooer again, so im making graphical drawing that are suited to be tattooed. Not very artistic.
But i will probably do more artistic versions, of tattoo designs and try to sell them, as i side hustle. Some sort of printmaking would be interesting, but i dont think i have the time to learn it.

>>7646268
Can you photograph it so the whole canvas including the edges is shown?

It’s poo, isn’t it. I tried.

>>7646284
It's nice, I like the sense of distance you created with the values and colour.
Maybe the composition is a bit too balanced with the two trees in the foreground, at least that what came to mind when I saw the thumbnail.

>>7646272
Its cg, retard.
>>7646284
Its nice.
Just work a little bit more on perspective. Shift the colors in the distance more towards blue and desaturation. Same with textures, don't use sharp strokesof white in the distance.

>>7646350
>Its cg, retard.
lmao I know

>>7646010
that one building has more structural integrity than everything in my american town

>>7646361
Thoughts on this building?

>>7646425
needs some graffiti to really feel like home

Acrylic sketches are eating up my time. I should really get back to oils

I saw some guy put a thin layer of red over his grisaille and then he rubbed a lot of it off again. Is this how ur supposed to do it? Right now I usually make a somewhat acceptable grisaille and then remix colours in the same values and apply them over it. Then I can still correct things while with transparent layers the grisaille has to be completely correct already (?)

>>7646510
If you're doing a color overlay, you typically want your desaturated under layer to be complete, before you do your color overlay.

>>7646510
Some people do work in that workflow where they spend a lot of time on getting the grisaille stage as perfect as possible in proportions and values, in the case of glazing, making the values in general a little lighter. But adding colour in a very transparent manner is one way of adding colour to a grisaille while preserving most of the work put into it. It creates a different effect than when you merely use it as a guide and go over it with more opaque paint.

In many cases it can be beneficial to make sure each stage of the painting is "completely correct", for example if you get the drawing stage clean and finished, you can focus completely on the values in the next step. Or you can focus completely on colour in the next step without getting distracted by proportions or drawing mistakes. It's all a matter of workflow and desired end result.

>>7646510
Sounds like you mean Imprimatura. But it's applied before grisaille... Search for "Imprimatura Layne Johnson pdf" and get the free ebook with a throwaway email. I never tried it myself, but the pdf contains some basic instructions and material list.

This is a ... uhhh... abstract composition. Definitely not a festering wound. Don't worry about it.
Second alla prima oil painting for me. It went much better than the first where I used way too much linseed oil. I should do more studies. I've been a bit lost in trying to paint ideas from imagination. I hate studies with a passion though. I'm like the anti Pawell. Anyone else in the same boat?

>>7647163
K

>>7647163
The german newspaper behind it is a really fun point of irony

>>7647183
Listen - it's not easy being German, okay?
Also, any useful alla prima advice?

>>7647186
I don't use oil, sorry. For studies, maybe set up some still lifes using figurines you like. Or do studies of specific uh... horror art you enjoy? Redo something that's b/w with colors maybe. Or do something like repaint a scene plein air in your spooky means instead of the bright sunny days we have.

>>7647203
Thanks for the suggestions! Re-doing a scene as a spooky thing sounds fun. I might do that.
For now I'm still struggling with simple things though so I was asking for specific oil painting advice. I'll keep pushing through though. The medium is really fun to work with.

A curtain study. It's impossible to photograph these things without having glare somewhere.

>>7646284
Are you using photo references for these or are you using imagination?

https://omgwowart.wordpress.com/artist-dawyd-doomsday/
I'm a artist who works under the pseudonym **Dawyd Doomsday**. I make my own original canvases and oil paints. This year, I've already participated in two exhibitions, with another one planned for the fall. If you have any ideas on where my paintings could be exhibited, I'd be happy to hear them. Just let me know at omgwowart@gmail.com.

https://omgwowart.wordpress.com/the-scream-of-albert-einstein-a-nuclear-warning/

>>7647457
lurk before posting, retard

I apologize for my deutschen Kollegen.

>>7647461
I know autistic behavior is an essential part of being German, but "Dawyd Doomsday" and his shit art really takes the cake. I'm surprised he didn't offer demonstrate the proper way to drive a forklift as part of his pitch.

>>7647471
I think he has that appeal that normies can understand. If he paints more he might have some success with his art.

>>7646284
It’s actually very nice but like other anons said make sure to study up on perspective

>>7646268
This is fire

>>7646143
Very nice use of warm colors . I don’t see work like this on here too much.

Oil painting The King in Yellow

>>7647163
Hans, Alla Prima is a vage therm, but most of the time it refers to more, then just making a tiny painting in one sitting. Alla Prima is about layering fresh paint, which is not easy and creating fresh looking paintings, which means the usage of loose strokes and bravura.
You can look up R. Schmid - Alla Prima 2, but im not sure if it will help you with your disgusting stuff, its not really suited for imaginative realism.

I think I learned a lot doing this.

I decided to try Rosa gallery waterclours. The guy at the art store was really liking them, and they're very cheap compared to W&N, and from what he told me, pretty similar.
I really like them from what little testing I've done.
But some colours, have way too much gum arabic I think, or they're separated somehow, they get all sticky after they dry.
I've had colours separate before in the tube from other brands, but only a little and never so they end up sticky. Is there a way to remove the excess gum arabic, or do something else to get rid of the stickiness? Tried massaging the tube, and stirring inside them with a tooth pick.

>>7647622
such as?

>>7647624
1. Don't paint too thick if you're gonna do contour
2. you can put light colors under dark but it is a lot harder to go the other way.
3. composition is very sensitive to implicit motion (like lines that don't line up).
4. Use references (plural)
5. paint is heavy
6. plants are harder to paint recognizably than animals
7. Prussian blue is somewhat like cerulean but the way they combine with whites is very different
8. Use a small brush, smaller brush, less paint on the brush if possible too.
9. mixing with a contaminated brush can ruin a color

Also some geography, and I'm not sure any of this is true but it is what I learned.

>>7647630
>I'm not sure any of this is true
It is true, but these are not "truths" as many of these things are mere choices you make to get a result you desire. Subjective.
For example, "use small brush" is not really a truth when it comes to painting, there's a lot to be said for using bigger brushes especially if you are trying to simplify your composition, brushes that are just a little bit bigger than you think you need helps you see and work out things better, it makes you think more in planes and forget about details.
The only point I think you can safely say is that yes, a dirty brush is not good, it makes everything the same brown slop. Always have many clean brushes on hand, it keeps the colours clean and vibrant.

Good job for painting a lot, I am not really sure if you are just trying to get good or aiming for a specific style of naive painting so I don't feel comfortable giving any other advice.

>>7647622
If this was one giant painting it’d be incredible. Just how it’s composed in that photo, that exact order feels very intentional.

>>7647457
Artists r so lame now

I have a neck injury since almost almost year now, I can only draw digitally with a screenless tablet but I miss traditionnal so much.
I used to draw with a table easel but it's impossible now with the pain I get from doing that nowadays. Since a few weeks I got some strength back and can finally put some pressure with a pencil or a ballpoint pen.
I guess my question is... Did anyone get something similar ? Is recovery possible ? Do you have any advice for me to be able to draw again on paper ? I have almost no joy digitally, it doesnt feel the same at all.

>>7647815
While oil painting you can sit or stand as straight as you like.
Its the same for me. Im not injured, but i painted in oil and cg for many years. Now i started drawing with ink, which requeres a flat working surface, and my back is sore all the time, my hamstrings are tight and my neck is stiff all the time. At least i dont have no pain, yet.

>>7647889
>At least i dont have no pain, yet.
Oh, you will, trust me. For your own survival, learn about lower back muscles and how to specifically train them and work against their shortening.

>>7647597
>R. Schmid - Alla Prima 2
Thank you!
Yeah, what I meant was making a painting in one sitting. I have a few canvases here sitting unfinished because they require multiple layers. It's a bit frustrating to not have to show much for a couple of oil painting sessions. Especially studies seem to be better done in one sitting.

>>7647892
>you will
I won't
you living a retarded life doesn't make that the baseline

>>7647920
Rude but fair. I am, after all, retarded. You will be fine.

>>7647923
that's what I said, yes

>>7647892
Yeah, i should start doing something, im not the youngest anymore eighter.
Screen less tablates are really great in this regards. While lining im sitting somewhat straight, bet when painting im like pic related.

>>7647622
I agree with >>7647762
But I noticed that it IS one big painting due to the borders of each.
It's very pleasing to look at and I already showed a few people it and they reacted positively. Don't lose this feeling as you get better anon.

>>7647622
How big is it, acutally?

>>7647622
Oh, also: One of my favorite artists had this project where he'd draw one 10x10 cm small thingie every day. The result was amazing.

>>7648216
I like anon's better than that one not gonna lie

>>7648218
I like em both. Anon's has a playful naive nature to it. That hits a soft spot in me. Anon should aspire to become this generation's Rousseau!

>>7648215
each square is 5cm (2 Inch). The whole canvas is 40cm x 50cm or 8x10 of the squares.
>>7647636
>Always have many clean brushes on hand
see, now I feel like a dumb guy because I only used the one brush the whole time and just swapped what I was painting until I would sort of 'run it dry' before I would swap to another color. I decided to retire the brush though after this and I've been using a different one. Thanks for the tip.
>>7647762
I tried to make lines of things but not too strongly. For example: stonehenge lines up with the easter island head and the sphinx but they don't touch.
>>7648213
Thank you!
>>7648218
I appreciate the endorsement.
>>7648216
The result here is really nice, the scale is actually quite a bit more than the one I did I think, being that it would amount to a square meter (compared to 0.2 square meters). It looks a lot more fancy. I'd like to see it in a higher res but in searching the name I only found a lower quality version online.

It's close enough. I kind of tire of bothering to even finish it, such is my mood.

Well while I'm here I might as well eh?

>>7646284
No It's really good.

Catto progress is slow but steady.

Almost done with this stupid goat. I'll finish it tomorrow before painting.

>>7649063
I like the warning signs on the gates of hell, it's like a bomb hanging on the wall.

>>7645677 (OP)
Do you guys like this? I’ve been making tube drawings and paintings for like 10 years

>>7650371

Not my sort of thing, you might want to start working with color.

>>7650371
>>7650377
It looks really great, anon. But... 10 years? That seems a bit excessive. How many of these have you made?

>>7650380
Other person here. How so excessive?

>>7650380 the first one I posted was a more recent one. But I make a couple every few months, probably made about 35-40 of varying size and effort. >>7650379
I usually use color. It get great pleasure out of making tubes

*sigh*

>>7649926
>>7650141
My first thoughts on your work was Beardsley ...

Or Winsor McCay.

casey baugh youtube demos have unironically unlocked value in my brain. too bad hes such a shit person

Might you refrain from that sort of language please?

10% audience interaction ratio, how's that?

>>7650457
Strong, you're doing well. Big up.

>>7645701
why are you black

>>7650469
>he's white-and-gold brained
oof

>>7650445
where her mouf?

>>7650927
glad you caught that. its actually the running symbolism in my work. its a commentary on female oppression and marginalization in the art industry but also mouths are how artists sexualize and objectify women in general (even women artists). if you look at portrayals of women they always have big semi parted sexualized lips that allude to oral sex and i want to bring awareness of the issue

>>7650939
damn dats pretty deep (in a non sexual way)

>>7650998
i don't want to jump to conclusions but that sounds like youre mocking me and i don't think think thats called for

>>7650504
And you're ooga and booga brained

>>7650504
>>7651035
I wasn't gonna reply because you sound retarded, but you seriously have some mental deficiency and should be made aware of it

>>7651048
>no stains of paint or ink on hand
¡¡¡FRAUD ALERT!!!
¡¡¡FRAUD ALERT!!!
¡¡¡FRAUD ALERT!!!

>>7650469
>>7651035
I wasn't gonna reply because you sound retarded, but you seriously have some mental deficiency and should be made aware of it

>>7650939
> female oppression
I will never be an oppressed woman =( why even live, bros?

>>7651051
I haven't painted in a couple of days, I slept all day yesterday

>>7651063
>I haven't painted in a couple of days
¡¡¡FRAUD ALERT!!!
¡¡¡FRAUD ALERT!!!
¡¡¡FRAUD ALERT!!!
¡¡¡FRAUD ALERT!!!
¡¡¡FRAUD ALERT!!!
¡¡¡GET BACK TO WORK, """"PAINTER""""!!!

>>7651064
NO YOU CAN'T MAKE ME

>>7647622
https://files.catbox.moe/e15237.png

I recollected the individual tiles into a huge scan - has been good for review. It's 8000x10000.

>>7651065
IF YOU'RE A REAL ARTIST THEN WHY HAVEN'T YOU WORKED YOURSELF TO DEATH YET????

>>7651070
>artist
>work
POSER
I FOUND A POSER

THIS GUY THINKS WE PAINT HERE

>>7651071

>>7651048
I'm glad you have white friends, that'll help you find someone to buy your art.

Friends, this was fun.
Now it's back to work though.
I hope you guys have a productive day
<3

anyone know why picrel would be on a chinese brush set at rosemary's, but not on any other brushes, including "japanese" brushes with seemingly the exact same hair? it literally makes no sense to me

>>7651188
My guess would be it's to do with where the warehouse this specific stock is located in. That brush set might be a whitelabel (to Rosemary's specs) and shipped from the manufacturer's warehouse rather than Rosemary's own.

You can always email them though. These art supply companies are usually pretty responsive.

Alla Prima II by Schmid is quite a fun read. Thank you, anon who recommended it

>>7650141
Finally done. I'll clean it up tomorrow.

I wonder how much it's dried?

I kind of lost my character's shape.I extenuated the folds in the shirt and have lost the tautness of the first sketch.

No it's ok I scrapped it off and painted over.

>>7651809
he's got DVDs too if you want more

I did a smashed and slammed dog, they're so weird. Poor creatures. Any thoughts?

>>7652504
I might have done a blue wash behind it. Or an orange-y sun set or something.

Cup of coffee or something.

>>7652422
I only have a Betamax player…

No biscuits.

>>7652422
I'm fine with reading. I'm not trying to learn to work in his style.

>>7652504
he looks so silly :')

The white background lets it down.

Well that was freaky. I guess finish it, hang it on the wall and something else.

>>7651052
You're not white, pablo.

How come not more /trad/ artists died or went insane from lead poisoning?

>>7652735
Because lead is not poisonous. It's the controlling elite who wants it gone from the public because it unlocks the path to artistic genius. They can't lead that happen.

extremely retarded thread

I thought we was doing quite well.

How to unretard ourselves?

Goat's done!
Time to get back to actually scanning my pieces now.

After years of spinning my wheels doing god knows what, I'm going to finally focus on making original work. 9x12 acrylic on canvas panel.

>>7653511
>original work
based
I like the contrasting color of the antlers in the back

Vanity metrics.

hair is falling off my brush how to stop that?

>>7653854
Finasteride

>>7653936
You think youre funny, asshole?

>>7654006
hit close to dome, huh?

>>7654011
No i dont care, idiot.

>>7654019
woah, no need to blow your top off

Hi guys, i used to participate in art contests, not very successful, but it is something i want to do more in the future. I used oil as my medium of choice, cos its the most serious one. But it takes a lot of time, space and other resources i dont have right now. Especially, canvases are too expensive and too big to store.
I want to work on paper, with ink, maybe mixed with colored ink or aquarelle.
Is there a way to produce drawings for fine art competitions?
When i look stuff up, the drawing category is very polarized, its rather ultra detailed photorealism shit, or abstract, postmodernistic children's scribbles.
Can i draw anime illustrations like pic related (not mine), or is it not "fine" enough?

>>7654034
>cos its the most serious one.
Idiotic statement
>Especially, canvases are too expensive and too big to store
Cardboard
>I want to work on paper, with ink, maybe mixed with colored ink or aquarelle.
Watercolor paper isn't any less expensive than canvas at the end of the day
>Can i draw anime illustrations like pic related (not mine), or is it not "fine" enough?
You don't know what fine art means

>>7654042
Nice trolling, mate, try again next time, i have no time for plebs, sry.

>>7654034
Check the contest rules, retard.

>>7654046
Insults aside, he's right. Do you actually paint?

>>7654034
>Can i draw anime illustrations like pic related
well, can you?

>>7654047
It's not about the actual rules, it's about the unwritten rules, mate.
>>7654056
> he's right
No.
>>7654070
I could.

>>7654088
you either can or you can't

>>7654034
>It's that one anon who seethed about acrylics a few threads back and keeps trying to paint thirdworlders because he thinks its what sells
>"I did oils because it's MORE SERIOUS but I hate the reasons it's memed into being considered that (requires physical real estate and time)"
Lazy gypsy. You are no different from the people in other threads asking what FOTM they can draw to get twitter likes. The medium doesn't matter when your soul is the same rancid odor.

You aren't asking if you "can." You can submit most anything. You're asking if it will be accepted or win. That's dependent on the specific contest because it's all fucking subjective. If you don't like appealing to the crowd in your bumfuck area of europe then figure out who you resonate with, the people who would ACTUALLY want to enjoy your art and do that instead.

But you won't because you're lazy and just are trying to wriggle into a subculture that you neither understand nor would find enjoyable, purely because you think it's profitable.

I understand the /beg/ niggers getting angry at each other in their little bucket but must we really stoop so low as them?

>>7654115
/trad/ is no different from the rest of /ic/. There's a few nutcases who squat here but perform the same behaviors.
>Instead of some stuck up people obsessed with how coomers are ruining things, it's bitching about "postmodernists"
>Idolization of a narrow set of popular painters from the 19th and early 20th centuries instead of concept artists and e-celebs, still using institutional approval as a measuring stick
>screenshots of social media posts to seethe about specific internet personalities

>>7654109
Now you just playing semantics.
>>7654111
Well, a reasonable response, actually, and not low-iq-bait, im positively surprised today by this thread.
You are basically right, when we are talking about art. But i see those competitions more as sport, and you need a good game plan, to win.
Thats the actual question, what game plan should i use, to participate with low effort medium?
I have a feeling, when im painting in oil, i am ahead of 50% of people, compared to pencil on paper, just cos i invested several years in this medium, which most people can't or don't want to do.
So it feels like im loosing my advantage by switching to ink.

>>7654144
it's not semantics, can you presently draw illustrations like that?
your posts reek of retard looking for excuses not to draw and you posting someone else's work just tells me you're a deluded beglet
if you could produce that, you wouldn't be asking these retarded questions

>>7654144
>But i see those competitions more as sport
Then you need to be treating for them like a competitive sport. Optimize your processes in your workflow and studio organization so you CAN have more canvases drying. Dedicate space and time to it well ahead of schedule, learn what the competitions tend to be, and make contacts.
That is what you should be doing instead of trying to figure out how to gain glory without effort or dedication.

>>7654162
> it's not semantics, can you presently draw illustrations like that?
Like this, what do you even mean by "like this"?
Do i have the technical skill to produce such lines and shadings? I would say yes.
Could i take a photo and do all the work with simplifying the shadows, adding them into one mass and compressing values? I think i could come close, but its not really my style of work. When working with ink, im more of a form and texture guy. So maybe, yes, maybe not.
Could i draw and construct the perspective, out of my head and without a very extensive use of reference material? No, definitely not, most of the time i do humans or portraits. I draw landscapes sometimes, but only nature, with minimum amounts of architecture.

>>7654176
lots of words to say you can't

>>7654177
> you can't
> continues argiung semantics
Whatever dude, you are obviously not willing to contribute anything constructive.

>>7654182
that's not what semantics means and there's nothing constructive here, you're a retard asking retarded questions and in a few hours you'll go back to not producing anything while fantasizing about the man keeping you down and not giving you prizes
you're gay and stupid, my man

Is something like this considered legit portraiture?
>>7654188
> that's not what semantics means
You are arguing what "can you draw something like this" really means.

>juden peterstein fan
>midwit
Errytim

>>7654195
> Is something like this considered legit portraiture?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7yIYWPynpDY

>>7654195
>it depends on the contest, check
>hurr but is it legit durr
Nigger, check where you plan on entering.

>>7654201
> check where you plan on entering
Im still asking about the UNWRITTEN rules. A concept that an autist like you has problems to understand, it seems.

>>7654204
>can't wrap his mind around subjectivity in art judging contests and there not being a universal rule to what is "legit portraiture"
>a-autist

>>7654209
> subjectivity in art judging contests and there not being a universal rule to what is "legit portraiture"
I see, another postmodernist, such tiresome, i hoped at least once for a cute autist.

>>7654217
>it's a historylet parroting buzzwords
How tiresome. Read up on the Salon, you nigger.

>>7652785
wasnt when this was posted, definitely got pretty retarded since this post tho

>>7654232
Not feeling it for this one.
But Brian, I have to ask: How do you store your paintings that aren't dried yet?

>>7654235
>But Brian, I have to ask: How do you store your paintings that aren't dried yet?
i throw them on the floor

>>7654209
>>7654109
> you either can or you can't
> you need an iq over 85 to understand hypotheticals
Many such cases.

>>7654240
pic?

>>7654204
>Im still asking about the UNWRITTEN rules
>calls other people autistic
Anon... You have to actually research the specific judges and learn their tastes and how other contests have gone.
There
Is
No
Universal
Standard!

It's ALWAYS, each and every time, subject to whatever the people running the competition decide.
That's why some have a few names regularly in at the top, because THE JUDGES LIKE THEM OR THEIR WORK BETTER. That's all. It's not based on other criteria.

Art competitions are basically beauty pageants where you groom an object instead of yourself.

>>7654244
>can you run a mile in 2 minutes
>heh, hypothetically, I could
cope

>>7654250
> can you run 2 miles in 2 mins
> well it depends, if we are talking about 2 miles on a straight road, yes
> 2 miles through a desert, no, im not used to running on sand...
> HAhahah so you admited you actually CANT

>>7654244
>seethes so hard he samefags posts he already replied to
Did you sit there malding for 15 minutes trying to think of a zinger?

>>7654247
> You have to actually research the specific judges and learn their tastes
I dont think thats really a practical resolution. Many of the judges, are even nodraws, they are journalists or "art blogger" or something like this.
> No
There must be some rules. A pencil drawing of Sonichu would not be considered fine art. A traced photo, would not be considered fine art and so on.
Otherwise, concept artists and illustrators from twitter, could just enter finer art contests and win, but they cant.

>>7654260
You definitely don't know what fine art means.

>>7654260
>A pencil drawing of Sonichu would not be considered fine art. A traced photo, would not be considered fine art and so on.
According to whom?
>Otherwise, concept artists and illustrators from twitter, could just enter finer art contests and win, but they cant.
Non sequitur, what does being a concept artist have to do with Sonichu, tracing photographs and ability to paint in traditional media?

>>7654260
>There must be some rules
The rules are
>whoever has money and prestige gets to decide the rules
>the reputation of any particular art contest is determined by its relevance to art contests, galleries, curators, and whether or not people who went on to become famous had previously participated
You are presuming there are universal objective standards, but there is not. There is a subculture of "the [region] gallery/contest fine arts world". The moment people stop taking it seriously and giving it any mind, it dies. It is entirely created by the confluence of people with similar interests and the funds to do it. If you want to be part of it, it requires making things that appeal to those people.

Art is one of the few areas that is in fact entirely socially constructed. Retards mindbreak themselvesd by applying this reasoning outside of art, into places where objective measures can be performed. But it is true within art.

>I dont think thats really a practical resolution. Many of the judges, are even nodraws,
Correct, you research what art they like.
I do fucking trad coom art and when someone commissions me I peek at their public accounts to see what things they like that we both vibe with, and I hit upon that.

Yes this means that art contests can be viewed as "free" commission work where the judges are utilizing guessing games to see who gets paid and getting a shitload of art made for them (or brought to their attention at least) in the process.

Slowly gaining some proficiency in acrylic color blending. Darks and highlights still missing for this pussy though.

>>7654293
Ah yes, tuna pussy. Quite symbolic, you can almost smell the sea.

>>7654259
N-no, that would be silly, wouldn't it, haha?
>>7654262
Tell me.
>>7654276
Im not even arguing, at this point. But what does it mean practicaly? If i enter a fine art contest with an illustration, im not disadvantaged or am i?
>>7654293
> proficiency in acrylic color blending
You are wasting your time with this shit. Acrylics was never meant to be used with brushes. Its a airbrush medium, or shit you paint your walls with (and then you get mold, cos its basically airtight plastic bag stripped over your room, and your room is full with airborn microplastics, but thats another story...)

>>7654361
sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssst
tsssssssssst

>>7654365
I read an interview, about him telling a story of his art professors hating the fact, that he uses airbrush insted of oil. Its not a serious medium, they said.
Now, 60 years later his painting would cost millions, if he used oil...

>>7654380
There's no pricetag to be put on you making what you want to make and how you make it.

>>7654380
no it wouldn't lol

Just fucking around doing abstract stuff. These are all WIPs until I'm sure I'm done touching them

>>7654392

>>7654393

>>7654393
>>7654395
There's some nice textures there but overall I'm not feeling it yet for these as paintings. Personally, I think abstract art should look pleasing while still being non-representative.

>>7654397
Yeah. I don't really consider them final works. Just messing around with textures and colors so I can take what I like and use it for something more final

>>7654401
This one has potential if you exaggerate contrast even more.
>>7654405
This one as well when the brushstrokes on the crystal look a bit better.

>>7654380
What does he give a shit that some collector would pay some other collector millions after he was dead?
If you wanted to use ink, would you use oil instead so you can make some jew richer in 80 years?

>>7654380
Brian, is this you? No one here cares as much about money as you...

>>7654361
>But what does it mean practicaly? If i enter a fine art contest with an illustration, im not disadvantaged or am i?
It depends on the competition. At some you are rejected outright. At others you may win. Asking anons without potentially selfdoxxing via specifying which competions you want to enter is going to get you nowhere. This isnt info that can be spoonfed.

Go make phone calls to the company hosting the competition to ask about their standards and prior winners if they arent online, and look up the judges.

>>7654424
He is the one european schizo who has a hateboner for "postmodernists" and yet paints mostly things that are intended to appeal to the type of degenerate elites to complain about bombing syrians while funding cartels.
I think he wants to actually paint anime girls but thinks he won't be taken seriously, since he did an okay frieren at one point only to ruin it by painting over her in an uncanny valley pseudorealistic style after.

>>7654471
are you sure that's one guy? I thought the postmodernism guy was the theoryfag that just wants to talk about what art ecelebs said that week

>>7654471
Anime fren should do stuff like this
https://www.instagram.com/ocana_dana
but with oils

Havent used oil for over a month, took me 2 weeks to be able to draw with dip pens again.
I was never good with watercolors, thats the next thing i will put my time in.
Actually i am a little bit worried, how much damage my oil painting skills will take, im not even sure how long i will have to stay away from it. I think at least, as long as i havent paid the 5k to my health insurance company back.
>>7654471
I like to draw anime, im not a fan of painting it. Actually im planing on drawing an actual manga.
>>7654484
I can do both. But it seems the other theory and historyfaggs are no longer around, so not too much to discuss.

>>7654495
If youre talking about me, thats not really up to my taste.
The reapintings of master works alone, is something i really hate. Its the thing postmodernists love so much, taking old paintings and changing up the faces.
Look alone at the Bacon faggot, from the op pic. His own original paintings are just shit. Paintings he did that are decent, are all based on old masters work.
As i was young, i liked his paintings that i saw in the sillent hill games, manipulative, little bastards.

>>7654517
What's something you'd like to do then?

>>7654520
At the moment, im not even sure. I had to start working again, so i had to rewire my brain to think more about what people would actually pay for.
In a perfect world, i would go full 19 century academic and paint people in costumes from life.

>>7654530
Personally I think it's more important to know what you want to make as opposed to what you don't want to make.
Any artist that really inspires you? Any work you've done in the past that comes close to what you want to make in the future?

>>7654533
From experience i know, when im focused too much on stuff that's way out of my league, i get too frustrated and it starts to hold me back.
To focus on the best thing i can do right now, in my current circumstances, is a more constructive approach.
So for the moment i will focus on ink and aquarelle illustrations.

>>7654484
Pretty sure this is his work

>>7654484
>>7654561

>>7654484
>>7654561
>>7654564
And his abominable redo of the frieren

>>7654567
I may have gone to far in a fee places

There's truly only five of us in this thread, huh?

>>7654561
That's not terrible.
>>7654564
>>7654567
That's certainly terrible. Bro needs to study the old masters more.

>>7654564
>>7654567
Thanks for explaining this, I thought it was the mandela effect or something when I saw one version then a shittier version of frieren here.

>>7654596
Bro just make what you like.
If you like complicated shit like you said here >>7654549
then just do it. It's going to suck yes who the fuck cares? You can just paint over it again and reuse the canvas or turn it into a fucking piece for collage or sand most of it off or whatever other shit you want to do. Or just throw it out.

The path to gitting gud involves leaving a trail of trash work. It's understandable to feel frustrated but you shouldn't beat yourself up over it because unlike most people you are at least attempting it. Each piece you do is proof-of-learning shit both from prior pieces clicking and what you figure out over the course of a painting.

If people are ragging on you for doing art and not being famous or having money with it then tell them to fuck off. Have a spine.

>>7654293
Alright, that's enough acrylic for today. But I'm having fun nonetheless. A bit over 100 more pages in this book.

>>7654908
That's better. The background could use some kind of structure though

>>7654918
I'd go with more texture on the ball tree thing and completely flat on the red

>>7654990
That could work as well. But I'd make the ball tree thing's shape a bit more jarring then. It needs to carry the overall structure of the painting. Right now it's a bit generic still.

>>7654567
It's an improvement ...tho.

>>7655281
I liked the first version more

>>7655518
Fine. The second one is an improvement.

>>7655532
How so?

>>7655536
It's better.

>>7655538
In what regard?

>>7655539
It's nearly finished for a start.

There's not much more to do to it.

>>7655281
retard

>>7655543
Just because it's finished doesn't mean it looks better

>>7654567
Essentially you’re palette swapping a fighting game character and saying it’s better art now. Guys look now Ken’s gi is blue. Okay? There’s so much more to change about art than those kinds of things from layer to layer. Texture, form, composition, etc. it’s not just her shirts blue instead of red, I am le genius art now

Even if I make a terrible oil painting, It's immediately redeemed by my room being filled with the smell of drying oils. God I love it more than almost anything. It's up there with coffee grounds, old libraries and grandma's house.

I even like the smell of turpentine thought it's been a long time since I've used it. Go make a painting right now, your studio needs you.

>>7656349
AHHHH YOU CAN'T MAKE MEEEEE

>>7647457
this motherfucker was a pain to find in Calcelmo's lab

Alright, alright. I'll go paint.

I'm starting to feel it.

>>7646145
Finally finished it.
That veil was a bitch.

>>7656821
I like it. Good job on making the figure really appear out of darkness

>>7656835
Thanks!

>>7656575
Very beautiful work

>>7656687
I like this a lot. What is this exactly?

>>7656849
It's "Landschaft II" by HR Giger.

>>7656849
thanks

>>7656850
Ah okay

>>7656851
No problem. What’s the medium?

>>7645677 (OP)
Sorry if this isn't the right general but I'm looking to start modeling with clay or something like that, do people use this general to discuss that kind of work? If not, which one?

>>7656894
Honestly, it feels like it could go either on /diy/ or you could try establishing a new general here.

>>7656894
We've had someone posting his wood carving here before. It's probably fine.

>>7656821
What do you do with it now it's finished, do you hang it on your wall or put it up for sale? Is it part of a larger oeuvre of spooky paintings?

>>7656865
>What’s the medium
it's watercolor

>>7654599
Possibly. Many years ago in the Poole era I was told 'you're pretty much the only serious oil painter here' desu. The fewer the better I guess otherwise it's just 50 comments of 'it's shit it's shit it's fucking shit'.

*shrug*

Though it can be deceiving kaws there's potentially 80 other lurking Anons data mining or what have you from various different internet factions :/

'You're only as good as your next painting'. That said...

>Where's the next painting Bert you fucking moron? Ain't anyone gonna give a shit about these dawbs

So true, so true

*sigh*

>>7656349
> GKyXbM8X0AAMM3U.jpg
Whats the size, medium and substrate? Do you have an uncropped photo?

>>7656850
I thought it was goatse tribute VII

>>7656894
you should find a local kiln to fire the clay or i think it's a little pointless to spend money on. and kilns aren't cheap to use, and actual fired pottery is incredibly difficult
>source: paid to use a kiln and fucked up a bunch of clay i used because idk how tf to make clayware/glaze it correctly/fire it without it being a total piece of shit at the end

>>7657180
xDD

>>7657056
Going to be in a gallery show and then I plan to sell it/sell prints of it.

>>7657428
>plan to sell it
And I plan to have a threesome with two Asian girls but life’s not always so tidy, anon-kun

>>7657495
ok

I like the four guys of us five but the fifth guy thinks he's funny when he isn't.

>Schizo Edition
Please rate my work. This is my 5th painting ever. I want to paint like Bacon, but painting is mostly therapeutic for me. Whatever comes out is acceptable to me as long as it's my emotions on canvas. This one I specifically had Bacon in mind.

>>7657502
Can you please stop being a faggot

>>7657530
Here is my 4th one ever. I'm curious if anyone else sees a feminine figure in the middle

>>7657533
nta, but you honestly aren't funny.

>>7657495
If Brian can sell this, you can sell a painting.

>>7657502
>>7657547
Just stop, nigger.

>>7657557
It's for sale but is it being sold?

>>7657611
It got sold in like 1 day, yes

>>7657613
Brian is truly a king among us peasants

>>7657625
The finished work and coomer art on his fineartamerica page is nicer looking than the smears he posts in the thread. I wonder if he does it on purpose to fuck with us.

>>7657428
Where's the gallery show? Can we come? Will all of the paintings you put up on /ic be there?

>>7657700
You can come if you can find it.. I am only submitting the one piece to this show. I have six pieces in another local show, one in a small library show being curated by an acquaintance, and one in a mini-art show for funsies.

>>7657530
I think first off, forget about Francis Bacon, you can go somewhere else with it and be your own person. I get that you admire his art, but there's been quite a few Bacon copyists and they tend to not have much impact whereas you've got a better chance (than them). Is it particularly horror that you want to paint? Is that your vision? Representative or surrealistic bordering on abstract?

And then after that don't listen to a word I say, you know what you're doing not me.

Good luck.

2/5, but for a 5th painting ever, pretty good.

>>7657716
Ok I'll sweep the inernet to see if it come up :)

>>7657613
Is he running a tax fraud scheme?

>>7650400
Basedsley lives rent free in my head. This time I'm going for a bit more in his direction.

>>7657742
Are you packing those blacks with an extra fine macron pen, or what?

>>7657547
I didn't post that.

>>7657723
>I think first off, forget about Francis Bacon
nta but if he wants to use Bacon as his "master to study" then that's fine. He just has to evolve beyond it at some point.

>>7657723
>Is it particularly horror that you want to paint?
>Is that your vision?
>Representative or surrealistic bordering on abstract?
You've given me a lot to think about with these questions. I am not an artist. Having someone inquire about my art with such terminology is a boon. I don't know what I'm doing and I'm using Dollar Tree supplies.

I paint mostly as an attempt to paint a recurring dream I had for most of my childhood/adolescence so that I may extract its symbolism. The works of Francis Bacon closest resembles the themes and style of the dream's people element. The dream environment or world is closer to something by Alex Grey.

wasn't everyone shitting on bacon a couple of threads ago?
weird how he's suddenly cool

>>7657764
dip pen

>>7657847
If wasting your time is the goal, go on.

>>7657899
I will. Dip pen is more enjoyable to work with than microns for me. And if you don't enjoy what you're doing, what are you doing it for then?

>>7657842
>everyone
Only the resident academic-worshippers pull that crap.

>>7657659
That’s me hand picking from 1000s of things I made, the ones that are any good. art doesn’t have to be good to sell at a cheap price, and good art takes me remembering somehow the way to make a good painting which I randomly enough to generate 5 or 6 great paintings a year

Anyways here’s a goth latina in an elevator

>>7657735
Stretching canvases is really not fun, but there’s a market for it, clearly, if anyone wants to make money that way. It’s just a ton of work. There’s a lot of artists and too much art, and too little good handmade art materials so that market is underserved. I’m just not gonna do it myself, I was mostly curious if I could. But yeah you could just stretch canvases your whole life and sell them at that price, seems doable as a business. Selling your own art, much harder…

>>7658047
I'd rather make every single thing I make count than to spin the slot machine of random chance

>>7658057
Everybody wants to do that, I imagine. What’s the alternative? Even Thomas Kinkade had prints that sold better than other prints. At a point you have to start understanding your market, and looking at your own data, and making decisions about what to work on, and fitting in the time to still remember to make good art. The reality of art as a business is that all your work should be your best work, but at a point you need to bend to the whims of what your buyers like, what the market likes, and what you’re best capable of. Life’s much too short to spend it dreaming about being something different.

>>7658119
>but at a point you need to bend to the whims of what your buyers like, what the market likes, and what you’re best capable of
Sounds like you got the wrong buyers and wrong market and are stuck in a loop of self-imposed torture. Many such cases!

>>7658119
>Life’s much too short to spend it dreaming about being something different
Life's too short to not make the art you want to make.

>>7658151
It’s more about the process than the result, if you don’t enjoy mixing paint, drawing, the tactile parts of the activity and the physical demands of it I don’t think the mental aspects can ever fully satisfy you. You paint what you want when it comes to the image, that’s fine, but do you actually enjoy painting? I do, that’s why I’ll do whatever the image needs to be to continue to get to do it.

WIP

>>7658231
I enjoy doing what I do yes. The mechanical elements are moreso meditative, the "tactile" stuff just doesn't register as important enough to store in my memory after. I also don't much like specific aspects and engineer those out. For me the better part is the emotional/expressive element coming out into fruition and getting to pump whatever energy I intend into the work, and my tools just being a means to that. Optimizing the means = choosing the most enjoyable ones.

>>7658278
Some good “almost” imagery here, hands or skulls maybe coming through from the brushstrokes, which is good means probably on a subconscious level your drawing ability is showing through in your brushwork. I get a bit annoyed with too many things looking like other thing but it usually means I’m brushed up on drawing enough for my brushwork to have symbolic depth. Viewers usually like the accidental imagery more than the artists do that’s for sure…

>>7658324
Also value wise this largest sphere comes forward in a very convincing way, definitely seeing the depth of this, I maybe wish there was a bit more of a scale to it, as in that the central “figure” seemed a bit more vast, as it is im not sure if you wanted it to seem enormous and imposing or the size of a person (things you’d change with value scale) maybe you weren’t sure yourself. Just something to think about, if you’re not sure what the scale of the picture is your viewer probably won’t either since that’s one of the more deliberate things an artist decides in their work

>>7657659
I think that was probably true Anon.

>>7654401
That's good.

>>7654392
>>7654393
>>7654395
These are interesting. Strange dimension from another comic.

To me...........to me..............to me............to me.

>>7658047
> Anyways here’s a goth latina in an elevator
>>7658053
> Stretching canvases is really not fun
Whats even the point of using oil on canvas for you?
Canvas is expensive, it takes time to dry and so on. Why dont you just shit on paper?
Why dont you use watercolor like Sargent, Americans love their Sargent?
If you are all about business and making money, its more rational. Mixing is way faster, spreading color is faster, paper needs basically no preparation, drying is instant. At worst, the paper buckles and to put it under a press over night.
You could shit out at least twice as much smearing as you currently do. So, why dont you?

>>7658634
>Mixing is way faster
lol no it isn't
you could argue you need less mixing due to a sense of white, but mixing oils is much faster and easier because you can actually see the color on the palette and you're not disturbing the consistency just by mixing, there's a reason mixing darks is such a massive filter in watercolor and why it has a reputation for washed out anemic color among normalfags
also, I'm not sure there's a demand for his style in watercolor, it's a largely separate market from oil

>>7658661
>a sense
*absence

>>7658661
You are obviously a no-draw, its way more demanding to mix oil, i get cramps sometimes just from mixing.
Mixing the exact value and color, could be harder, but he is not doing it anyway.

>>7658664
>mixing is faster
>no it isn't
>ummmmm ackschooyalee my basedbean arms hurt from mixing so it's faster even if it's harder to actually mix the color you're trying to mix
lol

>>7658662
> *absence
Yeah, a nodraw for sure.
Adding white to watercolors, makes mixing way more complicated. Gouache is the worst medium, if you want exact colors.

>>7658667
Is it fun for you playing retarded? Its a serious thread, for serious artists.

>>7658669
post your serious art lol

>>7658670
you first lol

>>7658669
>It's a serious thread, for serious artists.
Name 2 (two).

>>7658634
>guy plays drums
>”why not play guitar”
Genius

>>7658673
I'm not a serious artist, remember?
I can wait if your arms hurt too much

>>7658675
yes, why not? https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ojw3KJFyNJc

>>7658664
>i get cramps sometimes just from mixing.
>this is the guy giving you life advice

>>7658678
>patting his guitar = drumming
No. It takes long enough to learn one medium you can’t just up and decide to totally quit and start over. Doesn’t work that way

>>7658680
Another nodraw, a very reviling conversation.

>>7658682
> It takes long enough to learn one medium
How many decades, years, months, days and nanoseconds exactly to play like this >>7654232 ?

>>7658683
Middle aged women don't get cramps from mixing oils, there's something actually wrong with you. You can't seriously think that's normal.

>>7658687
You are literally making a foul of yourself right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfCqR_8vhmY

>>7658686
trust me i can paint anything in any style, don't worry about me man
>pic related
i have more concerns nowadays than proving myself to everyone who catches a glimpse of my art for the first time

>>7658689
I'm not watching your unrelated zoomer time waster video, retard. You need to see a doctor.

>>7658669
>>7658674
Still thinking?

>>7658634
can I see your work?

>>7658690
and obviously I would argue that my art today, right now, is better than anything i could paint from when i was younger that would qualify as "realism" to normies.
I'm not in the mood past talking about this right now because this thread hit limit, but i dont consider oil painting a "superior" medium to anything else its just the color based medium i have consisten practice with. I'm probably better at watercolor, i just don't particularly enjoy it, and i have sporadic periods of doing large amounts of chalk pastel paintings on paper which i never really hear people complain about. I've probably never had a single shitcrit on a chalk pastel i just can't sit in a room breathing in toxic pastel dust all day or ill literally die

>>7658674
Me and you.
>>7658691
> unrelated
Now youre starting denying reality?
>>7658690
> trust me i can paint anything in any style
But?

>>7658698
has anyone ever seen a pastel i've painted get a snarky weird critique like my oil paintings? cause i havent. i even my drawings are fairly inoffensive on here. people just dont like the oil paintings except for about 1 out of every 10 of them which is why i tend to post those more cause they're more inconsistent. but im not going to spam drawings and pastels i work on because theyre already good, why waste time putting all that crap in these threads?

>>7658700
not the sperg, but I've said it before, you're much more at home with pastels, you should post them more

>>7658699
ive done watercolors, idk. heres one. its just not that interesting to me man. your request is on the level of "play freebird", i just dont want to sorry...

>>7658701
>you should post them more
but why do it, i already know they're way beyond what people can do with them so i don't need critiques. i legit probably post my worst or weirdest paintings here because.... thats the point of the board

>>7658705
barely anything posted here gets critiques, presumably because nobody here is all that good (let's be honest) and pointing out flaws in mediocre art isn't something most people want to spend their time on
your oils get a visceral reaction because you (used to) act like you're hot shit while posting mediocre paintings, making the other mediocre artists butthurt
meanwhile, your pastels are genuinely pleasant to look at and make the thread nicer, I don't know why you wouldn't want to post them
also, not sure what the point of posting your worst would be when you can already see it's bad and don't need a crit to tell you why it's bad, crits are useful when you can't see how to make a painting better and need another set of eyes to help
also also, it's not like your pastels are masterpieces of composition or anything, so even if nobody else on the planet used pastels, you'd still have something to benefit from, crit-wise

>>7658712
> barely anything posted here gets critiques
Thanks to postmodernism. How can you critic someone, who's whole intention it is to produce shit art?

>>7658726
That is nobody on this board I promise you. Postmodernism is a useful tool for rich kid artists holding installation shows of their poop, and has nothing to do with 99% of art being made today. It only matters to people like Joe Biden’s son or Adrien Brody that need the thickest layer of irony possible to justify their shitty art selling for $500,000

>>7658726
fuck off, you obsessed nigger

>>7658734
And it barely even applies to most powerful people in the arts. Jim Carrey barely posts his art online and certainly doesn’t hold giant money laundering art shows for them, and dubya is a fairly proficient painter. But postmodernist screeching is only noticeable when rich people demand money and status for their bad art in very weird public ways

>>7658739
Bush is jimmy/illastrat tier, what the fuck are you smoking? In what fucking way is he anything approaching proficient?

>>7658741
my point is he doesn't hide behind postmodernism to make trash

>>7658744
Unlike most people in this thread.

>>7658746
Take your meds.

>>7658726
>>7658744
Are you >>7654567 >>7654564 >>7654561 ?

>>7658726
>>7658746
Are you >>7654567 >>7654564 >>7654561 ?>>7658750

>>7658750
no

>>7658752
So which paintings are yours?

>Postmodern art is a body of art movements that sought to contradict some aspects of modernism or some aspects that emerged or developed in its aftermath. In general, movements such as intermedia, installation art, conceptual art and multimedia, particularly involving video are described as postmodern.
>There are several characteristics which lend art to being postmodern; these include the recycling of past styles and themes in a modern-day context, bricolage, the use of text prominently as the central artistic element, collage, simplification, appropriation, performance art, as well as the break-up of the barrier between fine and high arts and low art and popular culture.
>One compact definition is postmodernism rejects modernism's grand narratives of artistic direction, eradicating the boundaries between high and low forms of art, and disrupting genre's conventions with collision, collage, and fragmentation. Postmodern art holds all stances are unstable and insincere, and therefore irony, parody, and humor are the only positions critique or revision cannot overturn. "Pluralism and diversity" are other defining features.[32]
how the fuck does this apply to anything itt?
the way I'm reading it, postmodernism would be picrel

>>7658754
No, as im not hiding behind postmodernism

>>7658759
pyw

(watercolours)
what's a good warm grey colour like payne's grey but warm? I've always just mixed my own but I'm getting lazy

>>7658700
It looks way better than ur paintings.

>>7658842
go to a store and check the samples or use one of the sites or youtubers that compare paints and hope their shit and your screen are all color calibrated
payne's grey comes in warm shades, as does neutral tint, sepia, etc

>>7658762
pYw

>>7646143
>>7646145
>>7650390
>>7653511
>>7656575
>>7656821
Absolutely mogs the rest of the thread and most of /ic/. /trad/ is truly both ends of the bell curve.

>>7659085
And these
>>7658690
>>7658700

>>7658712
>crits are useful when you can't see how to make a painting better and need another set of eyes to help
This is correct. Though it's also correct that they're useful for when you're making crap and don't understand why.

>>7658759
He was asking if you are the gypsy who keeps bitching about postmodernism.

>>7658758
To understand it requires understanding history. The easiest example of a modern art movement is Italo-Futurism, which explicitly had a "grand narrative" attached, and was the meat that Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile added to their socialist broth to produce the fucked up stew of Italo-Fascism. "Italo" prefixing both to be very specific about the underlying concept I am referring to.
Modern art movements were ALL about grand narratives. Kazimir Malevich's schizo rants included his Manifesto of Suprematism. EVERYONE was making manifestos.

Postmodernism is rejection of that, undermining the core (the narrative) while preserving the lack of representation.

If you want to really understand this shit, this program (about 1.5 hours total, broken up into parts as a playlist) is very helpful. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg3oQ_OqQ_o&list=PLM4S2hGZDSE5SOht-nruKVOvuR5lrCw2T

As a fair warning, the meat of this program is most likely to make you hate it even more. It's unique in that the presenter uses a happy, interested tone for everything while laying bare just how most of this is rooted in schizophrenic socialists. He does avoid a lot of movements (like the aforementioned Italo-Futurism) but it lays out how so many of these early artists thought they were rebuilding society on their retarded foundations. THAT is what PoMo art rejects.

>>7659125
>EVERYONE was making manifestos.
Which is why it was the comfiest of periods.

>>7658278
if this ones not good to you
>>7659085
youre just judging by specific criteria that the other ones dont meet, which is fine.
the guy that painted >>7658700
also painted >>7654232
so these threads are misleading

>>7657839
Yeah I'm good like that. Stick with it it might become something more serious for you.

>>7657134
That's not my art, count doofus.

>>7657742
We're getting there.

>>7659759
niggas really do be living like that

>>7659841
Nah, I'm drawing at work atm. I wish I was at home with my artbooks.

>>7659759
cum on floor

>>7660153
That's gonna be blood when I get to it.

>>7659853
What kind of place do you work at that lets you do this? Especially with a dip pen

>>7660167
I do night shifts as a security guard. 4 hours I run around closing doors. 8 hours I get to sit and do whatever I like. But I also draw when I get some rare shifts where I have to sit at a receptionist desk somewhere. No one really cares. Whenever someone sees me drawing they actually make positive comments about it.

Some anon a few threads back was saying the neo-classicists (GCA peeps, Colleen, Will) all try to paint like the old masters but they don't have the religious faith the masters did, which is why it all comes out empty and dead. I guess Kandinsky agrees with that take, he would just call them monkeys holding up a book.

>>7659689
I know, asshole

>>7660267
b nice, guise

>>7660214
Calling it "religious faith" is monkey holding a book behavior. They simply had faith. Religion is atheist nomenclature. There is a difference between the actual belief that there are Gods or God out and about in the world doing what he/they do and between believing that you must adhere to a certain very human dogma to commune with them.

Religion removes man one step from god by putting a ritual between them.

>>7660362
religion isn't belief in gods, you're conflating religion with theism
plenty of eastern religions like taoism, buddhism, jainism etc either have no gods, have sects that don't have gods, or originally had no gods and only got them through personification of philosophical concepts

Should we put together a proper header for the trad threads?
A short faq or something?
Important books, recourses and links to tje least scummy youtube clowns?

>>7660396
>fundamentally misunderstands, attempts to explain something irrelevant

You don't know(understand) what I have to say and I don't care what you have to say. Go be an anxious materialist somewhere else.

>>7660445
it's not my job to "know what you have to say", retard, it's your job to communicate it
I replied to what you said, not whatever wisdom you though you were expressing in your head

>>7660416
We did, but it was gay and nobody cared. I think only like 3 autists care about the scene
https://pastebin.com/47jcNJ4T

>>7660396
>>7660453
You're talking to a christcuck who has no concept of (or just outright "throws peas off the high chair" style rejects) anything beyond his narrow viewpoint

>>7660214
>the relugious faith the masters did

Yeah, I'm sure it was their faith that drove them to make masterpieces, and not the huge commissions from catholic churches .

>>7660214
>the religious faith the masters had

Yeah, I'm sure it was their faith that drove them to make masterpieces, and not the huge commissions from catholic churches .

>>7660736
there's still people being commissioned works for huge amounts of money, yet nobody is making any masterpieces. They not only had the monetary incentive, they had the drive to do it.

>>7660736
Top artist today are paid far more than the old masters were, and as bad as your chances are today, theirs were much worse. Just getting to the point of mastery shows a massive amount of faith (religious or otherwise)

>>7660750
>there's still people being commissioned works for huge amounts of money, yet nobody is making any masterpieces
Depends on your definition of "masterpiece".

And the wants of commissioners have changed. Do you think everyone is desperate for a dozen madonna and childs? Are we all hoping for painted sistine chapel ceilings?

No, the masterpieces are not being commissioned. The majority of commissions are karen and stacy wanting portraits of their family or of their stupid yappy mutt.

>>7660797
> Top artist today are paid far more than the old masters were, and as bad as your chances are today, theirs were much worse.
Back in the day, it was about the skill, today its not.

>>7660750
The entire process of art education was different.

The old masters were basically sold into indentured servitude at the age of 8-ish. That's what an apprenticeship was. They spent years doing the dirty busywork for a master artist before being allowed to touch a brush for anything more than cleaning it. The ability to actually PAINT was still restricted for a long time, and they were limited to preparing a ground, toning the canvas, doing rough underpainting, and other menial-but-still-painting tasks.

Once they had graduated to being masters themselves - which required creating a masterpiece copy - they repeated this process.
So by the time someone was 16 he was intimately familiar with how paint worked in a textural sense, how it flowed (or didn't), spent hours and hours watching his master paint, and got a lot of what amounts to practice work in.

The closest thing we have today to the way the old masters worked is the manga industry, and even then it's a pale shadow of it because the people involved are starting as adults.
So most PAINTERS do not have the support of 1-4 people they manage who do all this gruntwork for them. This slows the process down a lot for people who are skilled. If an affordable machine that could automatically gesso a substrate existed it would be a godsend for a lot of artists.

>>7660828
You have exactly zero evidence of that. The work that survives 500+ years is the one that's appreciated enough for someone to preserve it, not the one that's more skilled. 500 years from now what you consider u appreciated skilled paintings will no longer exist and everyone will just assume what remains was the height of our ability, just like they did with various historical periods without preserved artwork until they stumble on some in a tomb or buried in rock.
There very well could have been tens of artists with more skill than Leonardo or Raphael that are lost to time because the subject matter was unappealing to the elites.

>>7660848
>The work that survives 500+ years is the one that's appreciated enough for someone to preserve it
This is true as well. Tempera-on-board was en vogue for the longest time. Tempera is brittle, wood moves with temperature and humidity and just over years as it dries. This is a recipe for paintings that gradually self-destruct over time unless kept in the most stringent of conditions and maintained when flakes fell off. Keeping something like that for not just your life but generations also implies the location not being destroyed, and in war churches were often spared + nobles were mostly ransomed rather than killed.

/diy/ people who talk about how tools were made better back in the day have the same problem.
There's an anecdote from Roy Underhill about how some historians found some axes in a well from the american colonial era. So they reconstructed axes from these archaological remains and tried them out.

They were fucking awful. Springy, hurt your arms, barely did anything. It took a bunch of analysis before they realized that they didn't recreate accurate 1600s-1700s axes that people used.

They recreated accurate 1600s-1700s axes that were so bad people threw them in a well.

>>7660848
Postmoderntards start rewriting history now?
Im sure the cathedrals of Florence were full of pissuaars and abstract smearings. But they were too good, so they have been stolen, what was left behind is all the low quality classical and academic trash.
Very nice conspiracy. At this point, its hard for me to believe, posmoderntards are really this retarded.
I should stop taking the bait.

>>7660913
You should stop taking breath

>>7660921
You are OBSESSED

>>7660924
>can't go a day without screeching about some boogeyman he made up in his head
>calls other obsessed
unironically kill yourself, nodraw

>>7660929
> nodraw
You are projecting hard.

>>7660935
pyw

>>7660913
Misrepresentation of what was claimed.
Your concession is noted.

Twiggy, work in progress, need to add freckles 50x50 cm acrylic

>>7661026
kinda gross 2bh
just take up photography at this point
I don't even mind photorealism or photo studies, but if you're going to spend time painting a compositional equivalent of a bus stop cosmetics ad, you need to ask yourself what it is you're doing with your life

I loooove stopping by. What are we upset today, mh? Maybe we could sprinkle a little camera obscura to the mix...

>>7660945
> pyw
You have a whole folder of my art on your hard disc.

>>7661138
You will never be Brian

>>7661026
Is it air brush?

>>7661138
nta, hello gypsy
I'm the one who reuploaded your stuff and I only did that in the moment by going into the archive out of impulse.
Thread is on page 8 and autosaging so why not explain why you seem to use "postmodernist/m" as an insult? I can see that you intend it in such a way but not what you seem to be using it as a signifier for.

>>7660842
>If an affordable machine that could automatically gesso a substrate existed it would be a godsend for a lot of artists.
This is so dumb. You can buy primed canvas of the highest quality, you can choose gesso or lead ground, nothing holds you back but yourself.

>>7661026
I like your skills, but I agree with >>7661058 here, your composition sucks.

>>7661202
You don't understand why postmodernism is evil?

>>7661218
>You can buy primed canvas of the highest quality
I prefer panels and they're still relatively expensive. Even if a machine cost $600 it'd pay for itself in a year or two and it would be a writeoff. Doing it myself just takes time and is annoying. If I could just load a magazine in a machine with hardboard panels, push a button, and primed them for me perfectly evenly then all I would need to do is place it to dry.

>>7661227
>answers a question with a question
I asked you to explain yourself because your ESL is making it seem more unhinged than you seem to be intending by trying to pack too much information into a single word.

>>7660453
If you view everything through the lense that God isn't real and all that's real is what you can see and touch now, I literally can't explain it to you.

That you think the reader bears no responsibility for his own comprehension is another problem entirely. You're essentially telling me that before I even know you I have to account for your misconceptions in explaining something. That is absolutely mad.

That you think with all this in mind you'll somehow get me to make a case on the nessesity of belief in a higher power than oneself, when you probably have difficulty accepting human authority higher than yourself I think I'd be wasting your time as well as mine. Happy painting, materialist.

>>7661259
>If you view everything through the lense that God isn't real and all that's real is what you can see and touch now
why are you so retarded, though? what part of buddhism, taoism and jainism says all that's real is what you can see and touch now? why are you such a dishonest little nigger? just accept your esl tardbrain said something retarded so you got corrected and move on

>>7661280
Because Buddhism has a conception of God, even multiple gods, as does Taoism and jainism sounds like humanism with extra steps. You're assuming I'm esl and I'm assuming you're a materialist. We may both be wrong but do you have it in you to find out? Probably not.

I also don't think religious beliefs involving or not involving gods is irrelevant to the point I was making so you gay little semantic "dunk" was a retardedwaste of our time.

>>7661293
I'm "assuming" you're esl because you evidently illiterate
never reply to me again, nigger

>>7661316
I accept your gay retarded concession, sodomite.

>>7661323
nobody claimed otherwise, niggerbrain
are the sects that do not believe in gods still a religion? the answer is yes, retard
last reply, niggercatle

>>7661236
So you are implying, there is nothing to hate postmodernism for?

>>7661340
You just want to be right. I don't even care about that. I don't care about what you are presenting at all. Your really trying to die on semantic hill when there are metaphysical things to discuss instead.

You are the most pedantic motherfucker.

>>7661343
It's by its definition the negation of modernism. People confuse modern and pomo with each other because if you look at the artworks in isolation they are very similar. Modern art's only distinguishing quality is that any particular modernist was (or is, I doubt many still exist but I won't speak in absolutes here) part of a cohesive "movement", and thus all his works are through the lens of some form of narrative/ideology. PoMo artists reject this so any singular PoMo artist can make a variety of random shit or do series or repeat the same kinds of work for their aesthetic qualities, or anything really. There's just no formalized framework they try to fit their works into. It's moreso the absence of meaning due to the rejection of grand narratives.

In that sense most people are "postmodernist" (or go even more obscure and dip into things like metamodernism or post-postmodernism) even if they are doing highly representational art, because they aren't doing so with some form of cohesive grand narrative. Modernism rejects representation but not the narratives of what came before it.

And yes this would mean that you, Mr Gypsy, are a postmodernist as well. You wouldn't be asking the questions and posting the art you make here if you weren't one.

Guys ...
PLEASE

Doing a preliminary rough sketch of a male and female Northern Cardinal for a painting. It'll be part of an ornithological collective bird art project for a state conservancy group. I think it's looking decent so far.

>>7661511
based nature illustrator

need to practice moar, your drafting abilites are B.A.D, they suck nigger cock.

see pic rel, i did a lot better drafting mixxedd with shading, learn from the best fren (:


>>7660154
>>7659759
>THE CAT doesn't fit with perspective of the piece
>bad design that only serves to confuse the viewer

you must be a beg, or mentally retarded lmao.


i spent a hour on this, did this on paper; thoughts?

>>7658758
>>>7658759
>He was
>>7658758
jaks are a artform that results from the avantgrade post conceptualtion of NU-masculinity.

they aren't made of hate doe, but for a playful absurdist jab of fun

fred, your so called trolling sucks
you dont even deserve the (you)

>>7661511
And of course right after I finish the rough, I find out that they would really prefer portrait over landscape.
But hey, I like the composition of this one more.

>>7661360
>Ahhem, akshualy atheism is a religion as well, check anf mate!
Whats even the point of this bad faith conversation?

>>7661511
>state art project
Let me guess, zoomer will enter with ai slop and retarded boomer judges will vote for the most disgusting and obvious ai shit with The MESSAGE ?

>>7661058
>>7661218
I think you're wrong the composition is ok.

>>7661810
it's really not

Can't wait to see what wonderful discussion awaits in the next thread!

>>7661891
I disagree. You are vexatious.

>>7661962
thanks!

>>7661962
wait I just looked that up fuck you!

>>7661751
Uh, no.
It's just a fun art project. It's trad only and the art gets turned into, essentially, collectible bird-watcher cards. There is no winner.

>>7661749
>Whats even the point of this bad faith conversation?
It's not bad faith. Gypsy creates art that has no underlying or overarching thematic elements and are in completely different styles (so he claims, to try to win contests). He has no grand narratives. That's postmodernism. He likely doesn't understand what it even feels like to live in a modernist or pre-modernist mindset.

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>>7662459
>>7662459
>>7662459