The general thread for Manga / manga-styled comic-making, manga-style illustration and related comic work. That said, everyone is welcome here.

Support each other and talk about your work or the work of others that excites you. Inking, character design, paneling / layout, writing, planning, and other discussions are all welcome.
Post resources, questions, in-progress pages, breakdowns of other works, etc. If a work is not yours, credit the maker (unless it's fucking obvious like a full page of One Piece or something).
Thanks to everyone for making /mmg/ a level-headed and helpful place. Remember, drawing and making comics and manga are difficult endeavors, and we're all in this struggle together.

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Some resources:
/asg/, our stylistic sister-thread series for those focused more on illustration >>>/ic/asg

Books:
Understanding Comics
https://e-hentai.org/g/2042453/83e7da6ed0/
Making Comics
https://annas-archive.org/md5/d55168f7579c1e23275d1fc9f0a2255d
Manga in Theory and Practice: The Craft of Creating Manga
https://annas-archive.org/md5/2877da11e2f852d220853e9944e6ea49
Story: Substance, Structure, Style and the Principles of Screenwriting
https://archive.org/details/RobertMcKeeStorypdf/
Even a Monkey Can Draw Manga
https://kupdf.net/download/even-a-monkey-can-draw-manga_58b9ca16e12e89233badd376_pdf
The Shonen Jump Guide to Making Manga
https://mega.nz/file/i81imLpI#GcheJ9Jjk3lw1RE9nQWgL4RG4wEBNOcRmgA-iaU6Wpg

Videos:
"Manga Senpai/Tokyo Name Tank", "SMAC! THE SILENT MANGA AUDITION COMMUNITY"
Habanero Scans: https://www.dailymotion.com/HabaneroScans/videos
Manben link can be found on archive.org on different pages separated by season: https://www.reddit.com/r/manga/comments/1bu9f0y/found_all_of_naoki_urasawas_manben_and_manben_neo/
Urasawa Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkIFOAoFm47XOAlJwTa6Ieg/videos

OP image from Getter Robo G, Chapter 4.

>>7647211 (OP)
Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if http://www.antarctic-press.com/html/submissions.php is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

Iconic Comics (https://www.iconiccomics.com/))
>A bit like Oni Press and Antarctic Press
>A small publisher with a focus on indie works with manga inspiration

>>7647216
Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/

>>7647219
/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onography
https://discord.gg/QYnFBves7V
https://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9
(Anthology project is defunct but the discord is alive)

Additional community added Resources:
Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/
Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videos
Ganmo, a job listing board for manga assistant work: https://ganmo.j-comi.co.jp/posts

How (You) can help /mmg/:

> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.
> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.
> Don't be a crab
> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.
> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effort posts that help you for posterity.

>tfw worked on my manga today

>>7647249
>tfw thought about thinking about thinking about working on my manga today

>>7647249
>>7647255
*comic

>https://x.com/ComicsBulletin_/status/1944888964856389895

Get fucked, publishers.

>>7647276
>https://comicsbulletin.com/globalcomix-partners-with-comix-wellspring-for-print-on-demand-service/

Article link, sorry

Alright gang, never done a fight scene, any and all thoughts appreciated.

>>7647053
this cover would make me go
>Hmmm what is this all about
which is probably what you want out of a cover

>>7647276
>>7647278
I was split originally between ComixWellspring and Mixam for my top two printers. This is cool news.

>>7647281
The first person view page is cool. I was going to say not enough close ups, but it looks like you include them later. I like the suplex. Looks promising

>>7647281
Badass nigha

>>7647281
I think this part is kind of redundant and doesn't flow well with the other half of the page.

Maybe you could have the guy looming over him with a raised hammer, or he smacks him in the head and you do something to show whats going on with the guy getting hit.

Otherwise it's really cool and I think it's pretty solid. Good job

drawing every day is just not possible for me. I noticed now that when I force myself to draw, the quality tanks and I end up making more work for myself layer. I am amazed at how actual pros do X amount of pages a week and spread it out instead of doing most of it on one or two days. Its much easier to draw for 6 hours on a good day than 1 hour on a shit day.

Go on without me.
I quit.

>>7647557
Excellent.

Less competition.

>>7647276
Comix Wellspring is probably the best self publishing company now anyway. KaBlam has been doing this for what feels like decades through Indieplanet, but their site is total dogshit, and, unless they've changed something recently, Indieplanet is practically unsearchable.

I always noticed clothing or particularly collars are so different in anime and manga and I never knew the explanation for this

>>7647733
What do you mean? Like shirt collars?

>>7647755
I don't get it, i also don't understand the body to shoulder ratio anime/manga has, when i reference real life it often looks off.

Doing some general "pairings" pics to do minor storytelling as well as experimenting around with shading colors I don't normally do. I was previously burnt out getting all the prior chapters drawn and uploaded over the last several years, but I'm starting to get the itch to storyboard again. Might start Ch. 5 up once this new round of images are over.

special outfit

>>7647913
left one is falling over

>>7647913
>>7648006
i want to fuck all 3 btw

>>7648054
Lub it up then, because they peg

>>7648006
kino

>>7648006
>action girl embarrassed from wearing girlier clothing
Yes! YES! YES!!!

>>7647853
I've personally never liked how shirts and ties are drawn in most manga.
They always draw it sloppy with the top button undone and tie pulled loose.
I get if the character is supposed to be a slob, but they do it for even supposedly well dressed characters.

The combination of shirt and tie, and often suit jacket form an almost geometric pattern of diamonds when worn properly

>>7648169
Hate to say it but that is just makeup she is angry with other thing

Found a new publishers, submitting today, and looking for some more this week.
Not taking the "recommendations" like I did last time, and not submitting to others while I wait for review.

>>7648430
That's just publishers being crabs. Unless they signed a contract with you that explicitly forbids it, they can frankly go pound sand.
>hurr im a publisher and i want to be a picky bitch and take my sweet time as to whether this meets my very exacting and totally not arbitrary standards of the week, but you, dear comic maker, cannot submit elsewhere until we dec-
No fuck off.

I got this fella done.

>>7648546
Very pretty, anon.

Tfw after I recover from this hangover I will surely make my manga

>>7648650
Every morning is a hangover anon.
And every day is a winding road

>>7648650
/MMG/ CURSE! Your hangover will come back every morning until you finish a page and post it.

Big things happening on Manga Plus Creators

>>7648700
LOL

>>7648700
Jesus christ. Does anyone here by any chance have a (relatively) well-doing comic on MPC? That site has one of the worst UI/UX I've ever had the displeasure to navigate around.

>>7648716
I haven't updated in forever, but last I checked there was plenty of AI slop with MS paint word bubbles that were mogging me in terms of views

>>7648716
No, but I'm in the process of making my own website for comics. Probably going to get a few people on there just to have some active comics going and then gate it by making non-legacy members pay a subscription to post. Each comic will have its own imageboard for fans to talk about it. There will be character rankings and polls available to authors so they can gauge popularity. Will have a donation system so people will be able to support their favorite authors and get recognized on the site for it. The discovery system is simply going to be a catalog where new comics, updates, manual bumps (2 per day), donations, and comic likes make the comic in question get bumped. I'm planning some other features as well that will really incentivize fans to support the author. Feel free to leave any suggestions.

>>7648728
My only concern is.... isn't this already what NamiComi and to an extent GlobalComix doing already, particularly the former?

>>7648716
I just use that place to host, I thought it was good but they resize pages too small so I don't really like it.
MPC and webtoons make my comic smaller which is very annoying, tapas is the only one of the big sites that doesn't do this.

why is hatching so pleasing to look at ? it's easily the best way to make your art have soul

>>7648601
Thank you

>>7648716
I was on the first page and top 20 for fantasy genre at one point, then a bunch of pages got flagged, they demanded i take them down and censor them, then all views and momentum died.

>>7648748
I agree. It's just satisfying to look at.

>>7648759
*squints*
..... pornanon? Is that art yours? Regardless, very pretty. I am blessed with seeing so much pretty art from /mmg/ anons today.

>>7648700
Seriously, why doesn't someone just copy booru websites but for manga/comics?
These webtoon websites are completely useless for finding anything that isn't the top 5 yaoi shit.
It's geniunely the biggest problem. It doesn't matter that webtoons is filled with slop, but that said slop is obscuring anything that might be good because there are no navigational tools to sift through it.

On a booru you can easily and reliably find absolutely anything despite often having hundreds of thousands of posts.
>tag the artist
>tag the genre
>tag the year
>tag the content of each page/content of the entire comic

You want to find a webcomic about cool sword fights that's not korean and has character driving motorbikes?
>"genre:action, swordfighting, motorbikes, -korean"
Add in a rating system and then you can do things like
>"year:>2020, order:score_asc"
Add a blacklist option to filter out all the things you don't like to curate your experience even further

It's a perfect system.

>>7648761
It's not mine and I'm not porn anon haha. That's Alpha from Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou.

>>7648766
>copy booru websites but for manga/comics
Don't some of the hentai sites kiiiiiiiiiiind of do that?

>>7648741
I feel like I can make the site different enough that it would be worth posting on there as well. Discoverability on GlobalComix sucks. I'm not sure about NamiComi because I haven't been on it since last year, so I don't know what changes they have made. But I do know that I was not a fan of their UI. Readership is a problem for most of these sites and the ones that don't have that problem have an issue with discoverability. So taking this into consideration, I figured it would be better to make my own site that I can tweak to my liking and grow from the bottom up.

>>7648768
They do, I don't really know what hte word booru specifically means, but yeah absolutely. Finding hentai doujins that meet your incredibly specific tastes is extremely easy, but finding a webcomic that meets even your overall genre is impossible

Why are you making your comic right to left?

>>7648782
Which anon are you talking to? Because I'm not.

>>7648782
just used to it and never read comic, it's not that deep

>>7648728
It's nice to have options but I'm not seeing how that would be better than what we already have.

>>7648745
They resize them down to the browser size, aka the size people are reading them at. Nothing wrong with that. This just means you're exporting them too large to start with.

>>7648748
Easily the best way to massively inflate the time it takes to finish pages, too. I love it and hate it so much.

>>7648766
You mean a tag based system? We have that, it's called mangadex. You fuckers still find something to bitch about.

>>7648768
The ones that everything else scrapes from uses a tag system, yes.

>>7648825
Welp, that's one way to get me to roll my eyeballs into the back of my head. Oh well, back to work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0r_ofpMtiw

>>7648825

>>7648748
Hatching is cool because it looks very manmade. It's rustic.

>>7647281
cont.

>>7647414
good catch
>>7647347
>>7647321
thanks!

>>7648825
WE

>>7648825
I wonder if the guys who operate the site dont even know its ai. Is japan aware of how ai decimated the english internet?

>>7648976
Pixiv has so much AI, with hundreds of likes, it's disgusting

>>7648992
yeah but thats all clearly labelled, right? These comics seem to be keeping it ambugious and an unaware boomer might not be aware. That's what it looks like to me.

>>7648942
I'm loving this comic anon

You guys know if there's a resources that englobes everything a true beginner would need to draw Manga? I just ask because I want it centralised, complete and in video format.
Sorry for the spoonfeding nature of my question. it's because I don't even want to train or anything, I want to start right away and publish my shit and get better along the way through each chapters.

>>7649344
Assuming this isn't somebody trolling, there is no "anime style." There is no "manga style." A quick perusal of Japanese comics through the decades will show you that despite some things being more common than in western drawings (US or European), it's up to the artist to stylize how they want to stylize. Lucky Star looks nothing like Fist of the North Star looks nothing like Mobile Suit Gundam looks nothing like the concept art for the Final Fantasy Tactics games. If you want to draw well you are going to have to do like everyone else and learn your fundies. You have to pay your dues. If you really need videos of some sort, check the links near the top of the /mmg/ copypasta.

coom is so difficult to write for

>>7649392
Not for me
*whispers* I just put my fetishes in my regular manga, and try not to bring too much attention to it

>>7649344
>it's because I don't even want to train or anything, I want to start right away and publish my shit and get better along the way through each chapters.
lol, you can't get aroudn having to grind. There is no fucking shortcut except for maybe heavy AI usage and tracing. I'm sure its possible to completely fraud your way into a published manga but I'm assuming you at least want to draw your own ideas so you're going to have to put in work.

This is the hard truth everyone here finds out eventually, making comics is hard and takes a long time. Rohan from jojo's bizzare adventure is shown being able to draw at super sonic speeds and he STILL has to draw all day and is always stressing over what he drew.

What you can do is start right away but forget about being published if you are starting from nothing. Its a good goal to have but be realistic and be prepared to get back up after you fail. You cannot avoid failure, you have to learn to deal with it.

How do manga get a fujoshi audience?

>>7649874
You ever thought about just going monochrome? I think it would help with appeal.

>>7649961
>You ever thought about just going monochrome?
Not him but exactly my thoughts, flat colors make it worse than the sketch its still have an appeal colored and not in a good way if that's what they're going for then i guess it's okay

>>7649874
>>7649969
I personally like the colours, especially the red eyes.

>>7649392
Yes, yes it is. Especially so if you want to tell an interesting story WITHOUT compromising on the porn. It's a very delicate balance to get both right.

>>7649961
>>7649969
I don't see any problem with it

Probably a stupid overasked question but I don't know how to look for the same question

Is there a filter or whatever in CSP that lets you obtain that "real" scanned comic/manga feel? You know, webcomic often look too crispy and clean, while scanned analog comics have that more natural look to them, the lines have that very subtle blur that's just not the same as the one you get with digital pens, and the screentones kinda blend together
I don't know if there's something better than just playing around with blur and noise

>>7650000
>>7650032
The colors aren't bad at all but the lack of shading make it look /beg/ while the sketch make it higher than that

>>7650053
resizing the page helps with it, as with saving as jpeg, but Im' far too autistic to save in a lossy format

>>7649874
I think you could just turn down the saturation by like 15 and it'll look better. You could even mask out the eyes and keep it saturated

>>7649874
To respond everyone, Im going to polish it after, maybe puting some soft shading, recoloring or changing saturation if needed and add other effects and details. Also when I resize the page it tends to look better too. The main reason Im doing this oneshot is to develop more my skills with colors... And because I want to test something else.

>>7650142
I think you should make the speed lines in this panel bolder, they're barely visible.

>>7647281
looks amazing, looking forward to the finished pages

>>7648825
>A.I. creators win again
Lmao @ the dinosaurs in here who said A.I. would never take off. It's only going to get better from here for us drawlets

>>7650261
It's not that AI is good, but that boomers running these competitions are retards that praise kitsch, which is all AI is good for

>>7650261
>>7650274
you retards do know that the mangaplus creators twitter is automated, and so is the basic ranking system, right? the only actual input from judges is the prizes, which is all that matters. slop getting ranking 1 or promoted means jackshit when they don't win the actual awards

penult pannel made chuckle

i want to draw hentai dojin of characters i want to draw but for the life of me i cant write for shit
how do you increase your writing skills then transfer it into comic form

>>7650512
Nobody reads hentai dialogues

>>7650512
I'm actually fascinated some people can't write but it might be unironically be a talent and i just have talent for it

>>7650521
>might be unironically be a talent
Well, I wouldn't bet on that.

>>7650512
no one who makes hentai are good writers. youll be fine

>>7648700
is end of days good?

>>7648728
Why would anyone pay you to provide you with content?

>>7650292
No one cares. A.I. art is here to stay, and it's only going to improve. As long as the story is good, the comic will do well.

I invented a sidekick pet for my main character and it is flying hymera between a cat and a bat. With a cat body, bat wings and fangs.
But now i found pic related. Does it mean i cant create another bat cat for my cartoon? When the art style is different, as well as the name and the colors is it fine or what?

>>7650621
As long as the design is original you can do whatever you want. There are a few flying cat creatures out there.

>>7650630
So the visual aspect is more important, not the concept?

>>7650652
Nah. "cat + bat" isn't so unique that it would be hard to believe you came up with it independently.

>>7650619
you greatly overestimate the composition and storytelling skills of an avg jeet who makes ai manga. an experienced artist using ai>>>>anyone else using ai, so nothing will change

>>7648825
Huh?
https://mangaplus-creators.jp/titles/ri2503220021024470025114326/

How deep is your story?
Are your characters and story beats just surface level fun, or is there a deeper layer to it? Do your characters represent themes, and their actions communicate ideas through them? Are you mysticism and symbology pilled?

>>7650707
Yes, people will make video essays about my manga for years to come

>>7650677
it got removed? good

>>7650664
> "cat + bat" isn't so unique

Thats what i thought as well, thank you.

Realistically, if you had 5-10 chapters of good manga, with a clear audience in mind, decent story, good character design with flashy colors, nice branding, a good title icon, could you make it big in Japan? Nothing really unrealistically good. Lets say Demon Slayer doesnt exist and you have the first 5 chapters ready on your ssd.
What would you do to make it big? Could you publish it on your own, making your own merch, plushis, figurines etc. selling animation right and so on?
Or do you have to sell your ass to the Jump mafia to have any success?

>>7650734
I like to believe that a good thing cannot be ignored.

I've often used a similar scenario but with Dragonball. Imagine if Toriyama had never existed, but you have Dragonball, complete in its entirety in your hands. Would it matter where you published it? Something that appeals to virtually everyone, a good story, if only one person saw it, they would almost certainly tell their friends about it, who would then tell their friends and very quickly it would rise to fame.
Dragonball could never NOT be popular

>>7650652
Yes, there are a lot of different ways to go about a character, if you have cool ideas for him then go with it.

>>7650734
First, you're stupid. Second, what matters is being able to actually deliver a chapter every week, 10 chapters is nothing and every retard has an idea that could be turned into a successful comic by a competent author.As for your second question, all you need to do is look at self publishing in Japan to know the answer.

>>7650707
I haven't decided yet. I do think a lot about including mystical or paranormal stuff in my story, but when I made it up I didn't have that in mind so I left no room for it. If I can figure out how to cram it in without having to make big changes and in a way that feels natural, then I will certainly do it. Space and aliens are a very good subject for that kind of stuff

>>7650749
>Would it matter where you published it?
uh, yes, very much so
dragon ball got popular globally as an animation, if you tried publishing the comic in guatemala, you'd be dead of starvation by chapter 50

>>7650707
Got a handful of characters with different ideologies and social positions, whos lives I wanna turn upside down when this event I'm building up to happens. Overall themes are to do with grifting, and if, if the only way to succeed today is to lie, scam and cheat, if its the correct thing to do or not.

Arts not the best, but I'm hoping my storys good enough to carry it. Hows this dialogue read?

Also note, first speech bubble is to the guy, second to the girl. Haven't finished the first chapter, so I'm saving the full cleanup and some rewrites until I've finished it

and heres another page with a different character First page has our 2 leads, egirl and her manager boyfriend who have just rugpulled their audience out of half a million, and this page has a waitress femcel, whos gonna start stalking our leads when she realises who they are behind their disguises, and get entangled in a mess

>>7650749
The problem with your premise is that you don't have any comic "complete in its entirety in your hands", you need to spend time making it, and the process is so time consuming it basically means you can't really do anything else in your life if you want to supply chapters at a steady pace, which is necessary to keep and grow the audience in a world where there's more manga coming out each week than you can even read.
That means you need to be paid for those early chapters nobody reads until the word gets out, assuming your comic even has the appeal to spread by word of mouth without a publisher doing the legwork.
Yeah, DB could make it as a self published comic, but don't delude yourself, you won't make DB, realistically you're gonna make Eyeshield 21 or Monster and the like if you're EXTREMELY lucky.
I'm not sure I'd see Eyeshield 21 getting very far self publishing online, and that's one of the most successful comics ever.

>>7650707
Yes, heavy into symbology.
I have to replace Yankees Confederates, and Injuns, with witches and elves.

>>7650707
The general theme of my comic is that despite it appearing to be a general adventure type story, you never can truly know another person and everyone always keeps personal secrets close to their chest. Sometimes these secrets are known, sometimes even the person doesn't know they exist. The story is about what happens when these secrets accidentally come to light and the fallout that occurs.

>>7650890
okay but who the fuck wants to read that

>>7650894
Myself. I love making comics. I think they're super neat and anybody who makes them super neat.

>>7650903
nice deflection, but nobody asked if you like making comics, you're in a thread about making comics
seriously, who do you expect wants to read that?

>>7650912
Anyone who might like that sort of thing, anon. If that sort of thing doesn't interest you that's fine. Audiences aren't a monolith. I personally don't care for other kinds of subject matter but I don't say nobody would ever want to read them.

>>7650922
>doubles down on deflection
guess that answers that

>>7650931
what a bitter crab

>>7650933
you don't what crabbing means
asking how you intend to place a product is the opposite of crabbing if what you're doing is something nobody wants
crabbing would be encouraging you to do dumb shit that lowers your chance of getting out of the bucket

>>7650912
I think you might be in the wrong thread. Most the people here are making comics for themselves.

>>7650707
I have a character in my story who is stoic and reserved, very serious no fun allowed mr responsible.
However he used to be a reckless, easygoing playboy but his actions eventually caused disaster, killing many people in an explosion.
He was saved from death himself by his closest friend, this friend took great injury in saving him and could have saved himself had he wanted to but chose to save him at the expense of crippling himself.
This has given him survivors guilt, and the consequences of his actions have caused him to become greatly repressed in personality for fear of repeating the disaster.
he begins to treat his savior with a sort of unconscious reverence, unable to live without him, he becomes his messiah, like Davy Jones putting his heart in an a box, this person has become his box for which his heart lies in.
The only way he can escape this is through personal growth, overcoming his guilt and learning to be self confident.

I would communicate all of this subtely, on the surface the character simply appears to be stoic and reserved, cool even, and his interactions with this friend appear polite and friendly, neither of them exchanging many words, (particularly because of this repressed and reserved personality he has since adopted) but what words they do exchange carry subtle but significant meaning that showcase their relationship with eachother.

No I haven't drawn a single page ;-)

>>7650933
>everything I don't like is le crab
Part of being a good story is the story being something people want to read in the first place.

>>7650964
I think you might be projecting, the top posts are related to being published for a reason and the threads began as publisher contest threads for the participants.

>>7650972
>he read the copy pasta
Wow, I was wrong. It's like you're one of us lmao

>>7650979
I was here since before this was a general, you're not fitting in.

>>7650964
>making comics for themselves
That's retarded

>>7650985
lmao this is fun. Let's keep this up.

Oh that's right, you're the OG senpai we've been talking about. No need to post your work, we all remember you.

>>7650972
>>7650954
>doubling down on crabbing
The guy simply gave a general outline of their story. How do you know no one will read that kind of story? You are just eager to shit on someone. So bitter

>>7650993
>How do you know no one will read that kind of story
the same way he does, I stopped replying once the "drawing comics for yourself" cope dropped all pretense of an audience

>>7650990
It's fun because you're a worthless shitposter.

I finished my first double page spread.

>>7651017
Nice muscle dude, anon. Is there a reason why his abdomen is darker than his pecs?

>>7651017
Not sure that counts as a double page spread 2bh. But yeah, it looks like he's wearing a corset or something.

>>7650707
The characters seem surface level for sure, but there's esoteric stuff, as well as very goofy representations of western philosophy. It's also surprisingly personal to some extent, but the true theme of the story isn't really revealed yet...

>>7650707
Maybe so? The story is built around the concept of the cycle of life and death, but the main characters are dead so that was kind of an inevitable topic. It's about as deep as you go looking for things, but for those with eyes to see it's slam full of recurring motifs and hidden things of all kinds. I love symbology, I love religion, mysticism, anthropology, and worldly secrets.

>>7651023
It counts, but this couldn't be printed without losing most of his arm to the binding, which is the only nitpick I have. As it is I think the art looks great, but this is a wip so I say let him cook.

>>7650707
I don't know how deep my story or characters appear to other people reading it, but I'm not trying to go too deep.

Can we please just change this to comic making general so I can share my work with you guys?

>>7651142
>That said, everyone is welcome here.

>>7648825
You can literally buy your way into the ranks with bots on mpc, this is nothing new. The only real value the site has is if a publisher actually contacts you.

>>7650531
Mostly because of the features I plan to add. If I don't put a paywall I'm going to gate it some other way because I don't want the site to be flooded with low quality work.

>>7651142
weebs don't want you to know this, but everything here is a comic

>>7650531
But to be honest, I don't think I am going to paywall it. I'd rather make a voting system for users to decide which new comics can come on the site.

>>7651177
>>7651187
I feel like you're putting the cart before the horse, you should be worried about getting someone to upload their shit in the first place. Ditto for getting someone to use your site to read comics over any one of the hundred ostensibly better alternatives (ie ones with comics to read).
I don't know what you plan to add to the site that's going to draw people away from the sites they're already using (read: apps they're using that just use the sites to load images from). For me personally the only thing that matters is image quality, and if you provided better quality than the competition, someone would just make a provider for reading apps and I'd switch to that without ever seeing your site, making an account or changing my reading experience

>>7651142
you're a grown ass man, just post your fucking comic

>>7651199
>I feel like you're putting the cart before the horse
Yeah you're definitely right. I'm assuming that my comic will have some popularity and that would bleed to other users on the site.
>I don't know what you plan to add to the site that's going to draw people away from the sites they're already using
I'm not necessarily trying to draw readers away from sites they are already using but creators (Specifically newer creators). I feel like we could grow together on a site that is dedicated to discoverability first. They'd also have all the tools needed to monetize their comic from one place. I'm going to be advertising my comic in the beginning with paid ads and potentially getting people to voice act my comic to post on TikTok/Instagram/Youtube. Maybe I'll just make the site for myself until I'm popular enough for a trickle effect.
>For me personally the only thing that matters is image quality
I was planning on compressing images by default but giving people the option to view the original resolution.

>>7648741
>>7648769
Shit, I just checked out NamiComi's updates and they added all the shit I wanted to add.

>>7648825
Shit, do you really get this dumb over the years. I mean the neck alone, it looks like shit, overall extremely uncanny...
Boomers are just npc. Is there a way to avoid it?
I mean, if your cognitive abilities are this fucked, aliens could switch your wife and children with cheap rubber replicas and you wouldn't even notice.

>>7651257
Are you already in the middle of making something?

>>7651429
If you are talking about the website, yes. I'm working on the comic reader right now. If you are talking about the comic, I have the some scripts and sketches of the main characters done. Decided to hold off on continuing until I have my site ready.

>>7651445
Anon... you have at least made at least one comic before with some positive reception, right?

>>7651445
Anon... you have at least made one comic before with some positive reception, right?

>>7651533
I've only made two one shots before with a friend for a comic contest that got placed (We won the last one). It was pretty time consuming and I learned a few good lessons from it that'll help me speed things up. An ongoing comic is a different beast, which I believe I can handle because I only work 3 days a week- but it might be better to validate an idea with a one-shot first on an already established platform.

I know that gaining a following is really difficult for a webcomic, let alone a manga inspired comic, but I am willing to pay for ads. My marketing strategy is the following
>Run Facebook and 4chan ads to my site
>Post completed chapters on secondary platforms a week after they drop on my site
>When people sign up they get added to an email list for chapter notifications
>Have a consistent schedule so people know when to check for updates.
>Run Twitch streams with the previous chapter's creation recording playing while I draw the current chapter
>Pay some voice actors to act out my comic and post + promote the videos on Tiktok/Youtube/Instagram
>Post timelapses of page creations on social media

>>7651618
Good luck, hope it works out. We'll wait for invites

>>7650707
Eh, not very. I tend to only really try to convey things on a relatively surface level. I tend to prefer to think of depth in terms of what a person can get out of it, rather than how many layers of meaning there are anyway. I want to tell stories that people can come back to at different points in their life and get a different feeling from it, but I guess that's a reader-centric view.

Is Insta dead as far as socials go? Whats the hip place now to shill your wares

>>7650894
I want to read that. I love adventure stories with secrets.

>>7651017
Great! On to the next one!

>>7651618
Great! you really had me going there for a minute. There's having faith in your work and skills, then there's riding on the boat of wishful thinking. Let's just say I had my shotgun loaded and ready to blast some high velocity lead pellets into the grey matter of your dreams so i'll put it away for now. At least placing in a contest is great, winning one is even better. It's put in front of the public so you have no choice but to know what people like or dislike about it from a market standpoint.

I'd be happy to join in if or when you get it up and running. It would give me an excuse to work on my other neglected series.

You guys told me to not use screentones as a substitute for colors but it would work just fine if it was used in here.

>>7651886
hatching.

>>7651891
What?

>>7651664
I never really got using instagram for art. I don't want normies and stacies looking at my weeb art. They wouldn't get it.

>>7651664
pixiv, discord and reddit, if you want to suck leftists ball to get popular go twitter or blue sky

>>7651142
coniggers go home

>>7651903
I dont understand discord. Isnt it just chat rooms?

>>7651896
i don't even understand
>not use screentones as a substitute for colors
it's a substitute for colors + hatching

>>7651886
Right, it still stands. You shouldn't just greyscale a colored work because it will look like a mess and it will lack contrast needed to be easy on the eyes. It's best used as a supplement to inking because otherwise it turns into a great big grey blobby mess. You could easily get away with doing so little, especially here.

>>7651886
don't listen to the other anons, look up color theory and values, screentones are values

changed my art style, in progress

>>7652079
anon cameo

>>7651886
Who the fuck said that?!!

>>7652079
changed your art style, progress so far

>>7648921
that panel with the chainmail getting teared up is real sweet, got social i can follow ur work Anon?

doing the final touch in the pages and just one more page to draw for the first act(1/3) to end

Recruiting for Coom Army >>7647642

Practicing some hatching and tones

>>7651664
Instagram doesn't promote your stuff anymore unless you pay for it.

>>7652079
He's literally me fr fr

>>7652431
This would explain why no matter what I do, I don't get any more followers and it's always roughly the same amount of likes for a posted, well, anything. Not that the likes matter, likes don't make art. But I did think it was weirdly odd that I went from at one point something like 450 likes on a picture to barely around 10 on a good day.

>>7652431
Based. Accelerate

>>7652431
>>7652579
Oof. I was just about to start posting there.
I'm at 19 followers in on month of twitter posting, but I've seen some awful art pages on insta that have a few hundred followers, with little to no posts.
I guess if asked my friends to follow, that would help get me started, but I don't want my ex's to find my art page.

>>7652403
Very nice

>>7652579
The worst thing about instagram ads. Is it just sends the ads to the people already following you. Ads are suspose to expand my reach not give me access to followers I already have.

>>7651445
>>7651047
>>7651017
>>7650767
>>7652079
>>7652186
>>7652403
Why is hatching is always the worst (by far) part of amateurs comics?
Is it cos they never used real pen nibs and cg is very unintuitive for hatching?
You guys should rather learn the proper way to shade with lines or do the shadings with screen tone. Otherwise, you are sabotaging yourself.
Well, on the other hand, its the same problem with screen tones.
Maybe use just digital grey.

>>7652988
>Why is hatching is always the worst (by far) part of amateurs comics?
It is ? not the obvious bad perspective or anatomy on most amateur comics ?
I can’t take your opinion seriously when you claim something clearly amateur doesn’t look amateur at all, that isn't me.
You haven’t said anything meaningful, just vague statements like “get good” or “use shortcuts.” Maybe send a guide also pyw.

>>7652988
no thank you i'll keep referencing inoue takehiko as i draw until i get better eventually.

>>7652988
My line quality sucks when using nibs despite using them for a long time, but mostly because my fingers are stiff and semi arthritic. My digital hatching actually looks much better but that's because I have the convenience of tools. Anyway, that's the name of the game, learning to draw better comes from the brain and anyone can learn so long as they have the capacity to. As for screentone I don't think the specific techniques for when and how or what kind to use are very widespread. I did all my learning by copying and intuition, doing black and white comics as a whole can require an overhaul of your thinking especially if you were used to doing colored comics before. It's tough.

>>7652988
on digital every stroke I draw has a tiny little bent tail on it that wouldn't happen on trad. Hatching on digital just seems 1000x harder. I don't actually feel in control of my lines on this slippery greased ice tablet

>>7653098
>every stroke I draw has a tiny little bent tail
https://ask.clip-studio.com/en-us/detail?id=38590

How often do you guys read western >manga? I've been thinking about a story I'd like to make, but when I ask myself, "would I read this?" the answer is probably not because I don't tend to give western >manga a chance.

>>7652988
The dudes you showed as examples, I think they did a good job with hatching. But to answer your question why hatching is the skill lacking in amateur artists. I think it has to do with draftsmanship. You can hide bad fundamentals with a well painted/rendered image. But those flaws are harder to hide with lines. Basically to be good at hatching you have to have a firm grasp on the fundamentals (which is hard).

>>7653211
His comment and >>7651953 are more amateur than any drawing even posted here.

>color theory
>it's monochrome

>>7652988
Hatching is just really hard. It takes a long time to get it right.
No, they're not "sabotaging themselves" by using hatching. They're practicing it. I used to be told my hatching was shit. I kept doing it. I get better at it by continuing to do it. Now people tell me they like my hatching. Go figure.

>>7653098
That's just a brush issue. Tweak settings til you can get the lines to do what you want them to.

>>7653217
"Screentones are values" is a correct statement, though yes color theory has little to do with it.

why not just draw in color? digital tools make it easier than ever. it's just lazy these days

Help anon, I need a reference in manga that shows "noise from neighbor's music" Just 1 or a few example is probably enough

>>7653192
Never.
I read manga, and I read comics, but not western made "manga".

>>7653192
I mean i don't mind as long as they make something good. Chaos Combat for example is way better than Kengan Ashura sequel.

>>7653217
>he doesn't know that different tones represent certain colors
Kek

>>7653192
depends, if it's just manga influenced I'll probably read it if the hook and art are good, but if it's flipped for no good reason or has jap sound effects I usually pass

>>7653429
they can, but readers don't know what shade of grey means what most of the time unless it's a familiar object. The best you can do is sell depictions of what those colors are the best you can, or make something that is colored to make it clear. Working with color is not the same as pure value.

>>7652988
It's unintuitive to draw hatching slowly. You feel you need to draw them quickly and without much accuracy, especially if it's an action scene where you feel the convey a sense of intensity you must draw with intensity.

In reality, the opposite is the case, hatching must be done slowly and carefully, making sure your lines are clean and deliberate.

Website anon here. Do you guys think it is worth it to host more controversial/taboo comics on the site? It seems like credit card companies are being pretty harsh towards taboo games / manga now. Reading about how even smaller NSFW sites get flagged and banned by Paypal/Stripe and it is making me reconsider having an anything goes (provided it isn't illegal) policy.

>>7653633
Maybe not starting out. Wait till you get a little more traction then allow it.

>>7653638
Actually I changed my mind. Allow it out the gate, capitalize on where others are getting shunned.

>>7653616
I definitely notice that. People tend to be very careless with where they end their lines and it destroys the illusion they're trying to create. That and being inconsistent, it can sometimes seem like people just throw lines onto their drawing without any sort of plan or goal rather than making sure their tones/ textures are consistent.

>>7653649
I like to make the comparisan to music.
Imagine you wanted to write a song that conveys the emotion of anger. If you simply bashed your hands on the piano in anger, this would not convey anger but instead just noise. Music must communicate. You would first have to understand anger and translate that feeling into music, a very difficult process requiring a great amount of knowledge and skill.

And art is the same, you cannot draw an angry face by angrilly scribbling on the page, all that will give you is sloppy scribbling, you must draw something that communicates the feeling of anger to the viewer, and doing this involves thought and deliberation.

Speedlines and hatching are tools of communication, they can communicate motion, speed, intensity, shock, surprise, etc many things. You must understand how to use these effectively to communicate what you want, not merely draw them in a fluster of emotion.

>>7653177
>>7653321
thanks, I will do some tweaking

>>7653616
>In reality, the opposite is the case, hatching must be done slowly and carefully, making sure your lines are clean and deliberate.
"Must" is far too strong a word. It might help if you're inexperienced. I do my hatching quickly. Always have. It used to suck, now it's fine. It's a skill issue, one that's solved with practice over time, not instantly by changing techniques.

>>7653671
Slowly in a relative sense of the word.
It may still be done quite quickly, but slower than the temptation calls for

so many words just paraphrasing the same thing, go draw seriously

>>7653671
I usually lean towards the quickest technique but sometimes stippling is the only way to get the look you want and you have no option but to suffer.

>>7653192
I read comics occasionally. Make a story that you would read. If you can't enjoy it, then no one will.

>>7653192
It's difficult to find western manga. They're either on their own website or twitter with no advertising, or buried under a sea of romance slop for women on webtoons, etc.
There's no Shueisha or Marvel for western manga to tell me what the best stuff is

>>7653762
How do you get the heart icon for the speech bubbles? Is it its own font that you're pulling from like some kind of wingdings thing, or does the Japanese font automatically come with hearts?

>>7653822
Why it's alt + numpad 3 of course! Teehee~

>>7653762
Improvement with every page, I see it.

>>7653859
I have ups and downs. Even good pages have bad panels.
The improvement is tangible compared to earlier chapters though.

>>7653762
That man has suddenly come down with a bout of severe intestinal pain! So kind of that lady to let him hold onto her so that he can brace himself until the pain wave passes!

>>7653192
its not strickly a "western manga" problem. 95% of stuff I see on all these comic sites are just not engaging. i never go on the manga scans sites either because all the ones I read are finished or on indefinate hiatus. bad art, bad composition, bad whatever never bothered me. The stories of these artists /ic/ included bore me to tears, or insult me with their pandering coomer trite. no engaging story, no motivation, no rhyme no reason nothing important to keep me invested

>>7653957
>stories of these artists /ic/ included bore me to tears, or insult me with their pandering coomer trite. no engaging story, no motivation, no rhyme no reason nothing important to keep me invested
So what then is a GOOD story to you?

>>7653963
Not him but isn't your answer in the passage you quoted? Something engaging, with motivation, rhyme and reason, or something important to keep him invested.

>>7653963
99% of western comics that aren't capeshit fall into these categories and nobody wants to read them
I want Naruto ripoffs, not Maus ripoffs

>>7653990
>>7652988
This made me wonder, are there any non-professionally hired webcomics/"western manga"/online self-published artists with technical skills and quality comparable to popular highly skilled social media artists? (Specifically that advanced creame of the crop level Krekkov, Eigaka and Wamudraws are at, being extremely specific)
I tried but I legitimately couldn't find anyone, it's mid-/int/ at the very best and mostly amateur artwork that would get equally laughed at if posted on this thread.

>>7654004
All the porn comic artists are skilled

>>7654007
>>7654007
lol, lmaf even
>>7654004
whats your question even?

>>7654010
Even in this general, the porn artists are the best artists by far

>>7654012
porn is a cheatcode to drawing gains, unironically

>>7653963
you know whats funny. i was talking with some douche yesterday and jap shit got brought up. i told him I only read very little and then I soon realised they all had one thing in common: they didnt encompass jap culture/society. Dragonball, fullmetal alchemist, HunterxHunter, OPM, pre-Wanko one piece, etc. so while a story needs to be engaging, its also doen to preference.
One of those odd inbetweens was Blue Exorcist, which, yes its another exorcist comic, started in yes a school setting, (and yes another sibling rivalry plot) its character and plot progression was not totally aids ridden and actually kinda evocative at parts. I wouldnt call it a 7/10 but it made me think sometimes you can have genre/trope biases that actively hinder you from trying something new right out the gate. I want to be fair and give new creators a chance but there are just some things that gall me so hard I can barely stomach looking at them like isekai, romance, slice of life, (certain new fantasy genre)

>>7654015
I think it's simply that, the value of a porn comic is immediately obvious, it's either hot or it isn't, and having shit art is not hot.

>>7653963
Not that anon but

Holy shit why can't anyone just make a standard shonen in the west?
Everything is always some weird deconstruction or avant garde shit.
Look at this compilation of characters. Make your comic like these. Nobody is making comics like these. These are the most popular series ever written, everybody loves these, but nobdy in the west is even trying to make comics like these.

I don't even care if it's bad, atleast you're trying. Nobody is even trying.

>>7654036
Alot of what's coming out of the big Shonen manga companies today isn't amazing, but I'd far sooner read these than anything in the west, because from a sheer premise point of view, they're interesting, they're cool.
I don't want to read a comic about someone suffering from alcoholism and his wife hates him, I want to read a comic about someone beating up monsters with cool swords.

>>7654036
> Holy shit why can't anyone just make a standard shonen in the west?
I am in the process actually.
It will be a deconstruction though.
As a white ubermensch, of course i cant participate in such ethnic naive narratives, without irony.
Its like Buddhism or Yoga, white people dont really believe in this archaic shit.
So yeah, i will post it in here, when first chapter is finished.

>>7653964
>Something engaging, with motivation, rhyme and reason, or something important to keep him invested.
That says nothing specific. Any story (assuming the author earnestly tried and wasnt making a shitpost story) can do all of that for one reader while its the most droll and mundane story in existence for someone else.

>>7654036
I'm trying to make that but with a female mc, I'm failing from the start? :c

>>7654045
Deconstruct all you like, but don't let that destroy its appeal. On the surface it should be cool af that appeals to everyone

>>7654039
yep. even the big companies are moving toward sissification, (just as hard as the west honestly) probably by policy. just as dadaism and modernism subverted the arts in the west. romanticism, myth, heroism and upstanding virtue are all being wiped out in every form of media.

>>7654036
There are only 2 other languages, you can use for your comics, to make money with: English and French. All the French and English book publishers, are hardcore lefty wimen. So you would have to put, all this American stuff in it, that everyone hates. Most of leftist media, doesnt work even when poured billions of dollars into marketing. But they see movies as the most important medium for their agenda, so they push it the most. They invest barely any money, to astroturf American comics about fat, retarded minorities.
It will not work, you will not make enough money, and even if you succeed regardless, they will put you in jail for hate speech.
You can do it in Japanese, not in French or English. And the Japanese market as it is, will exist only for another 5, max 10 years, after that, they will americanize the left as well. And shonen will be considered problematic.

>>7654066
Manga sells better than anything coming out of the west even in the west. Just make manga

>>7654045
>I am in the process actually.

i cant wait for it to never come out

>>7654045
what an idiot

>>7654045
>I am in the process actually.
so it's never coming out
>It will be a deconstruction though.
so it's a westoid comic

>>7654067
The only reason they are willing to sell Japanese comics, cos japs are ethnic, as a non-white you are allowed much more.
In France, if you would write something like 7 Deadly Sins, you would lose you job, you would lose your bank cards and you would probably land in jail.

>>7654081
>meanwhile in reality

>>7654036
>Everything is always some weird deconstruction or avant garde shit.
Cult of being "le quirky unique person" and "rugged individualism" mixed together. Using standardized ideas that are proven winners is seen as a weakness and potentially being "le heckin problematic."

>>7654068
> for it to never come out
The last thing i need to start is a screen tablet

>>7654091
What, perverted pornography? Leftys love this shit, best way to destroy family bonds and drop birthing rates towards 0.

>>7654081
>In France, if you would write something like 7 Deadly Sins, you would lose you job, you would lose your bank cards and you would probably land in jail.
jjfrenchie got into the industry with his loli/shota work that he put his actual name and face on, what about 7 deadly sins is supposed to be so career ending?

>>7654097
>whining about "perverted pornography" and low birth threads while praising the japanese publishing industry
???

>>7654081
Jesus christ you schizo, the most popular manga feature none of the weird loli shit you see in some manga.
There's nothing even remotely problematic about Naruto or Dragonball, it sells well in Japan, it sells well in the US, it sells well in fucking Mexico and it would sell just as well had it been made by a westerner

>>7654081
>>7654097
What even is your argument? Pervert shit sells in Europe, that comic made by a literal (swedish?) neonazi, uniform and all, was a smash hit in Europe, what the fuck are you talking about

>>7654098
You rather dont get it, or playing dumb.
> jjfrenchie
Never heard of this degen, but from the tumbler art style alone, i know what politics he prefers. Come on, its really low quality bait.
>>7654101
> it would sell just as well had it been made by a westerner
Show me one such media product, with the same political agenda, made in the last 5 years, by a whitoid, that wasnt canceled? Pro tip, you cant. In America they even try to cancel original DB, cos Toriyama drew the Americans in it with too big lips.
>>7654104
> that comic made by a literal (swedish?) neonazi, uniform and all, was a smash hit in Europe
Doubt.

Okey, lets see and compare our hypothesis with the reality, should we?
Hmm, it seems the world how it looks right now, is explained by my hypothesis: my thesis is, there is no way, someone from the west, could produce a good shonen comic.
Your hypothesis is: yes, it is possible, i saw a degenerate on twitter, drawing pdf shit, therfore no leftist agende exists, therefore it should be no problem for a western men to draw a comic in a genre with highest sells for decades now.
Well, the reality tells that im right, huh, how comes?

>>7653639
If I allow it out of the gate I’m probably going to have to use a high risk merchant to handle payments. A high risk merchant would take up to 10% per transaction and most people would be hesitant to use one because they’re used to Stripe/Paypal. The amount of taboo shit that would be posted would be so minuscule I don’t think it’d be worth having.

>>7654120
>mutt doesn't know what he's talking about
>let me tell you about your country

>>7654081
>as a non-white you are allowed much more.
Not anymore brother. We have a crypto scamming pedophile president. Anything goes now. It's a new era for America. USA USA USA

>>7654135
> mutt
At least my hairline is better (it actually isnt, but i can still laugh at yours, hydrocephalus, haha)

>>7654129
Plus the providers for high risk merchants sometimes require age verification.
>>7654120
The French get away with a lot of shit. France has a BD that features little boys in explicit situations with older women. I remember one version of it being a black kid. Don’t remember much else.

>>7654147
> It's a new era for America.
Same neocons, sucking the same dick, if you ask me. But what do i know and its not really the place for pol-talks.

>>7654150
Maybe you could write something worth reading if you weren't an estrogen-laden faggot crying online while literal neonazis sold comics promoting natsoc ideologies

>>7654163
> literal neonazis sold comics promoting natsoc ideologies
Gross and gay. I prefer Japanese comics, about friendship and fighting.

>>7654163
>literal neonazis sold comics promoting natsoc ideologies
Sold

Currently 1/6th done with volume 3. I still feel like I'm going too slow, but at the same time surprised at how far I've come

Taking advantage of the discussion to blog here. The piece that made me start drawing comics was because this indie manga made by the brazilian joao eddie in 2013/2014. Back in the time there was a site called upmanga and was the first br platform for indie authors to share their work. It was small but it was relatively easier to get a solid base than today. The level of that indie manga was absurd for the brazilian standard back then, I used to read it at past midnight so when I created Altarusia I wanted something to be read "at night" too. The site was discontinued and never heard of him again until 2022 when I found that not only he works doing comics and won international contests, he was also from the same decrepid town as mine. The world really is small.

>>7654210
it's weird that the image looked south american before seeing the name

>>7654206
>plook

>>7654210
Sounds like a blessing and a curse. I'd be stoked if someone from my city made it, but also I would probably not be able to stop comparing myself to them.

>>7654036
so many (japanese) school uniforms..

Why did they kill my boy?

>>7654230
I feel happy this town still creates people who folow their dreams and want to be more than bellow mediocre that is what everyone here aspires to be

>>7654344
You are getting better at drawing.

>>7654036
somewhere down the line, the people in power decided boys should not get to have cool stories to read. This problem is far deeper than just comics. Corporations rule, and comics are often best the fewer people work on them, so they don't fit this model of capitalism.

this thread got way too neurotic
go draw and create things

>>7654390
Make me, fag

>>7654390
On it. Also, am I being retarded for actually drawing guns instead of tracing them? Considering I will be drawing them a lot in manga, is better to get used to it isn't? Or it makes no difference?

>>7654429
You're retarded for other reasons we've already been over.
But not for this. This is fine. Benelli is just fine

>>7647557
Will carry you if I must. Get up!

>>7654445
>You're retarded for other reasons we've already been over.
Hmm... I wonder what that would be...

>>7654456
Have you finally gotten that drawpad and/or drawing monitor yet?

>>7654464
No

>>7654429
Draw first to understand, then trace for efficiency. Photobashing/tracing is an industry standard technique. Those who don't do it will fall behind, and you won't create a better product in the end. Just a slower one.

>>7654500
>Where is the dinner bitch

page 35

>>7654683
and with the previous one
today I also rewatched Fantastic Planet (1973) and it was pretty good, the art direction the the drawings themselves were fantastic god damn

>>7654809
Nice angle

>>7654809
Is his right eye (our left) like.... having a darkened expression moment cos he's gone nuts, or did he rip it out?

>>7654814
Thanks :)

>>7654830
Darkened from going nuts. I haven’t decided yet since he’s going through a metamorphosis, but I hope it conveys it well.

>>7654837
>he’s going through a metamorphosis
So this is not a normal murder thriller/horror manga, but it's also possibly paranormal/eldritch as well? Or when you say metamorphosis you solely mean him simply going permanently nuts mentally?

>>7654809
why the fuck is his lower lip so huge

>>7654685
>That shower head
Are you brazilian too paper badg anon?

>>7654842
The prior chapter throws hints, but It’s a psychological chapter. It’s a transformation, but also not really. Just a grand reveal on the next couple pages.

>>7654845
He’s channeling his inner melanin. No, I just wanted to make him look super mad.

I dream that i will get manga assistant or draw my manga for free(already been consistent on working on one just time consuming)

>>7654045
>>7654095
no WAY are YOU the mouse drawing furry girl spaceship anon?? i need to know

There's any game development general?
I still wanna keep making manga, but i also wanna start with this while i'm not doing manga

>>7654958
/agdg/ on /vg/

>>7654933
Pathetic dream. Dream big like me, I hope for a cute manga assistant gf that will draw my manga and be my maid.

>>7654956
Im pretty sure he is lol, still using a mouse to draw even though the whole sites told him to switch over. Also only draws very slowly from what I can tell. If your reading this dude, I did inked 2 pages today, both in around 4.5 hours each, stop using that fucking mouse dude


Also fucking hell I just wanna draw all day, but my whole weeks just sitting in my boring IT role, literally doing nothing the whole day, and I havent been in the position long enough to work from home, so its 2 hours of work, and 6 hours of pretending to work or look busy.


Only 22, and its already fucking over

>>7654982
I just don't understand why it's ALWAYS pre/beg/ faggots who have the biggest ego and taint everything with their unpleasant /pol/nigger nonsense and lazy mediocrity
I know wayy too many humble pros vs egotistical garbage for this to be a coincidence, its clockwork

>>7654988
dunning kruger i guess, and yeah if you wanna have right wing themes, and be successful, you gotta be subtle

>>7654961
Thanks blud, i'm going to check it right now

some elements of what killed /hyw cropping up in here. anons far too eager to make lolcows. 4chan webcomic generals doomed to be shit in 2025+.

>>7655025
You're mistaken, it's nothing specific to webcomic generals, it's a problem with generals as a whole. There are countless examples. I've personally witnessed it many times.
Trust me, this general is nowhere near is bad as it gets, in fact I'd say it's still in a decent spot. People post their work, there's not a whole lot of drama and threads only sometimes get derailed. There's been very little if any drama between thread posters. Even though there's been a discord in the OP pasta for well over a year at this point, there's yet to be any faggy "the discord gay ops are out to get me"-type shitstirring. There's a long, long way to fall yet.

>>7655025
lolcows make themselves

>>7655043
This. /hyw/ had drama from as long as I can remember, and I was there for probably 10-12 years. Its just that it only got particularly bad in the last few years, mostly because the biggest issues stemmed from people leaving to discord, creating a bunch of drama there, and then dragging it back into the threads themselves.

The threads themselves were actually quite nice for a long time. Most of the "drama" became self-fulfilling.

>>7654500
Cute and hungry.

>>7652216
@Treellaux
I'll use it again when I have anything to post.

>>7655055
>>7655025
What was the drama? I left a while back, it was mostly people hating on dood and coldfusion. Thread was harmless but boring.

>>7654862
Kek no but that was the inspiration so I guess I did a good job if the iconic brazilian electric showers came to your mind

>>7655025
What's a lolcow

>>7655105
Well, that was the primary drama. The threads ended up being generally just them and the 3-10 other anons who were there just to fight with them. I remember one thread in which out of 300-400 posts only one other anon and I pisted any work at all. The rest of the thread was immediately eaten up and hit the post limit in no time flat over absolutely nothing but drama. Rinse and repeat and it drove a ton of the usual posters away. Even now /hyw/ threads dont pop up very often even though the few that do dont really have any interpersonal drama anymore. Hell, I'd argue that the /woya/ threads last longer now over there.

>>7654956
>>7654982
That is not me. And no, I will not stop using the mouse until I feel like it. And yes I draw slowly. I'm not even working directly on my manga rn. I'm just doing some concept arts for it here and there as I focus on other stuff.

>>7655292
>I will not stop using the mouse until I feel like it.
Several threads ago you said you were ready to look for an alternative. What changed in between?

>>7655328
Nothing. I'm still buying a tablet. I just have no clue when. I'm too lazy to do even that and just wait until I feel like doing it.

>>7655343
Please do it dude, your setting and story is real good so far, and I wanna see you improve and get faster.

>>7655356
Thank you anon. But a tablet wouldn't make a difference right now. I'm trying to improve my skills to work on comissioning so even if I buy a tablet I still won't be working on my manga for a good while. Please let's move on with this before people say I'm causing drama again.

>>7655361
Man nta but for years and I didn't draw just because my drawing tablet broke, which is the cheapest and just a few bucks which I'm still using now, I really regret not buying it as possible. I was still at college though so it kinda make sense I can't afford anything. Also my laptop was really shit. Like 30mins just to turn on but still i could've drawn. It WILL make a difference having it available as possible.

>>7654982
>Only 22, and its already fucking over
why do people even believe this, one of the stupidest shit i ever see, the older you are the better you are at art, why does being younger have advantage for no reason.

>>7655371
They don't. It's a joke, retard.

>>7654862
>>7655120
Ok, I thought they were just a meme but these Brazilian shower heads are real?! Like even properly purchased and installed, factory-new, you still have this wire just hanging around flowing water?!Is it supposed to be a way to get you hot water if you don't have a heated water tank or something? Holy shit its a suicide device.

>>7655379
It's actually perfectly safe and cheap. The worst that could happen is giving yourself a little shock when turning the valve. But it's not even dangerous. Just annoying.

>>7655371
I am joking, but also, when your young, the only thing you have is time. I just wanna be able to sustatin myself fincancially with art, so I can make as much art and projects as possible. Theres alot of people younger than me who have published comics, and I wanna use that as motivation to beat them. We talked about Zoe Thorogood a few months ago, but shes an example of somebody who was super young when they made art. Alot of mangakas also start super young too. Not the majority, but I dont wanna get complacent

would /co/ be a better place to post a chapter of my comic rather than here, specifically for advice on narrative/ character advice over art advice, or do they not respond well to fags posting their own webcomics?

>>7655475
/co/ is more of the lowest iq boards on the side, it's not worth caring about

didja draw mangas today son?

>>7655598
No but I did masturbate three times

>>7655647
Based. More rewarding than drawing manga anyways. Not like anyone reads my shit

>>7655475
/co/ has an unspoken rule: Unless your art is ugly and/or /beg/ enough, AND it doesn't look like what an anon there would consider "manga-styled" (and this is going to vary wildly from anon to anon), your artwork will only be ignored at best or outright hated on. Hell, there are threads where anons try to talk about XYZ French or Belgian artist whose art looks a little bit more east asian and so many anons come out of the woodwork to bitch about how it should be instead posted on /a/.

>>7655475
/co/ is profoundly retarded

>>7655598
I've masturbated 5 times since yesterday to a furry doujin idea

>>7655647
>>7655882
Sometimes I get horny and think of ways to turn my regular sfw manga into a porn manga.
If I was less lazy I'd probably have already drawn spinoff chapters where the characters start fucking and never let them see the light of day until I die

>>7655977
I am starting to think that drawing NSFW gives you forbidden powers and boosts your art. Several anons here have drawn ecchi/hentai and they all either draw reasonably well or have suddenly seen a boost in their art skills (assuming they weren't intentionally holding back prior in order to pump out panels and pages). Coincidence? I THINK NOT. It is now clear to me that drawing/thinking with one's genitals is the only way to enter into a Faustian bargain to sell your soul in exchange for better artwo- uh, I mean the best way to practice your bodily fundamentals in order to truly feel the form.

>>7655879
>>7655475
>>7655525
I think most of /co/ is children. Most of the shows/media talked about there are aimed at a younger audience, so it's no surprise.

>>7655475
If you have to ask, just go to /co/

>>7656046
It's simply that porn encourages, nay requires, better understanding of anatomy, posing, camera work, exaggeration, and appeal.

>>7655598
yes i never stop drawing everyday, on bad days i just trace backgrounds or find references and other miscellaneous task if i don't feel like drawing.

Dear God guys. Having to follow references for realism/consistency is such a fucking time-sink. Anons making stylized manga/comics escaped hell.

>>7656402
>Anons making stylized manga/comics escaped hell.
This is why I intentionally avoided setting stuff in the modern day and set it in a fantasy world. Fantasy stuff still needs to make sense, but the degree to which it has to be can be fudged.

>>7656402
honestly doesn't make sense stylized artist can draw realism they just choose not to. The only difference is the face.
>>7656425
This just doesn't make sense, I don't know if you try to draw both or you really draw stylized. Not like you need to draw different faces and body(they're still the same). The only problem would be backgrounds and outfit which is also nonsense since fantasy is just stylized realism. Fantasy is even harder.

>>7656438
I dunno what to say, I find stylizing things to be way easier. The problem for me personally with trying to draw real world modern day stuff is that everyone passively has a master's degree in recognizing it and how it should look like. For me its a greater slog to have to not only pull up a reference but then I'm further required to adhere closely to it, and any embellishments are only what is generally "done" in the modern day.

>>7656438
>The only difference is the face
That's not true. When doing stylization you can draw everything in whatever way you feel like as long as it looks nice.

>>7656455
depends on the standard if you can draw like this your skill set are similar to realism. If it's tkmz-tier stylization it can be whatever

>>7647211 (OP)
Are you guys also doing all of the writing as well as the art? How do you know which one is worth pursuing and which you actually excel at?
Even with just writing, the skill needs are different for storytelling/narration and different dialogue between characters

>>7656646
It's easy, I just be dogshit at both.

>>7656646
I do both and I don't excel at either. I'm improving at both as I go, though naturally people will only really comment on or maybe even only be conscious of the artwork improving.

>>7656646
>Are you guys also doing all of the writing as well as the art?
Yeah, there's really no choice for me. The art just really depends how much effort you want to put into your work.
>How do you know which one is worth pursuing and which you actually excel at?
This is hard since dunning kruger exist. Every writer thinks they're the most genius ever see reddit comic collabs. Writing should be the easiest part but it's way more talent based than drawing or most people just don't polish it, or write too much. Manga should be too wordy. Just need consistent details. Most "writers" are so self indulgent they're writing to entertain themselves and not to entertain the audience

>>7656662
>Manga should be too wordy.
Manga shouldn't be too wordy.

>>7656663
worked for death note

>>7656665
Some good eatin' on that table.

>>7656646
>Are you guys also doing all of the writing as well as the art?
Yes, although I am also lucky to have an editor who is willing to tell me I am shit at writing and returns my script drowned in red ink.
>>7656665
I would eat, food looks yummy. Nice touch with the dead bug all trussed up like it's a Thanksgiving turkey. People never draw backgrounds much, let alone something in-depth like food.

Damn the /mmg/ discord turned into /pol/

>>7656694
Don't tempt me with a good time.

>>7656679
Thanks for reminding me to draw the background too

>>7647281

>>7656839
How is this going to translate. Are you doing like a fading view into the helmet, or a harsh xray?

>>7656902
more like a cross section, the beak will be black and the face white, which i'm hoping will stark standout from the detailed foliage background

>>7656204
Perhaps with cartoons, but when it comes to comics, it is nothing but old men out of touch with what younger people like.
There's a schizo on there who talks about reading Popeye as a kid and that kids would love Popeye if they only returned comics to magazine isle shelves

>>7656694
I've long since muted the general chat, it's worthless

>>7656911
damn that looks amazing, keep posting progress updates bud

>>7656646
Yeah, it's my own story I'm trying to tell with this manga, after all. I usually make a bullet point list of what's gonna happen in the chapter then I write out the full script. I'm still very inexperienced when it comes to writing, so that part is lagging behind quite a bit and I definitely need the practice.

>>7657000
That's standard practice for all discords if you're not interested in water-cooler talk.

>>7656998
plenty of good comics are timeless. but if he won't shutup about it, idk.
on the other hand do we really need yet another series turning evergreen and being constantly in our faces.
is 30 years of "teenage" mutant ninja turtles not enough??

>>7656663
taking that with a grain of salt, we arent the culture thats big into books and comics.
> Survey of Public Participation in the Arts” (SPPA) found that in the 12-month period prior to July 2022, only 48.5% of adults read one or more book for pleasure, down from 52.7% in 2017

but there is a reason we find pictures with words as more palatable reading though, the balance will depend.

>>7656046
>>7655879
>>7655525
/co/ gives me these vibes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJsB0-Qd7LM
Just alot of autists obsessing over childrens shows

niggas like this are doing over 40 comic pages a week
https://globalcomix.com/c/omnis-part-iii-revelation

Your japanese jeans copes are dead in the ground, this guys proof of white supremacy

>>7657145
>George Rose
>Energy Level: 27,500,000
>IQ: 194
>Intelligence Level: Average
>Speed: Hypersonic
>Stamina: Superhuman

I'm sorry, my /mmg/ sisters, I must.... I must kneel..... we cannot moonrune LARP our way out of this one....

>>7657145
isnt hard when every page you make os absolute shit

>>7657145
why are you trying to get us to bully other people's comics?

>>7657190
nah dude i unironically thinks its awesome, dude has more dedication than everybody here combined

>>7657197
sure buddy, and I'm the shah of Iran

>>7657197
There's no need to make inflammatory statements like that, there's plenty of dedicated people here. I myself started out like the guy you're linking. I put more time into the pages and as a result put out around 20 every 2 weeks, but I was still working on it ~12 hours a day every day.

>>7657212
nta, but I saw your art last thread, how are you able to draw so fast? Im working 8 hours a day, and probably get 4-6 hours a night to draw, and I usually get 2/3s of a page done. Is it just the experience that helps you draw so fast, and so well?

>>7657218
Wait, who do you think I am?
I only finish pages at rate of, at most, 2 pages every 3 days these days. And that's cos I draw all day every day. Somewhere between 6-11 hours a day.

>>7657225
probably misremembering but this guys >>7633500
and I swore he said he worked 12 hours a day too, but I'm now just realising that he/ you meant 12 hours a day on the comic, not in the factory. I probably shouldnt be messaging while with no sleep lol

>>7657228
>probably misremembering but this guys >>7633500(Cross-thread)
Nah, that's not me, I'm pornanon. And yeah, you misunderstood.

>>7657228
>>7657230
That's me, and yes I was working 12 hours per day at a regular job (government) at the time. I'm actually way less productive now that I have more free time.

I've always been fast with illustrating, what takes the most time is concept and writing. If I have a clear idea I can spit out pages, but when I can't commit to the story I get literally nowhere.

get dogged

>>7657453
Omae wa mou shindeiru

page 36 and new face mask unlocked

this is why you shouldn't make comics. it makes you suicidal

>>7657574
what brush are you using and can i have it please?

>>7657662
https://assets.clip-studio.com/ja-jp/detail?id=1828102
here you go king

>>7657660
I already know this 1st hand. Imagine spending ten thousand hours drawing things barely anyone reads, giving up a social life to draw in the hopes that someday you'll be able to make some money off your passion. Then your health starts falling apart, no savings, no fans, and every day you see younger creators make decent money in a fraction of the time you spent, all while being much better than you.

At some point, I have to ask, what was the point of my life? There were definitely things I could've done better, but would it really have made that much of a difference? Maybe I was destined to be stupid and untalented and a failure. Due to sunk cost fallacy, I will never stop drawing comics. But as I get older and my health deteriorates further, suicide seems more appealing every year. I wouldn't though. The Lord wouldn't like that. So instead I lurk here, sad and mad.

>>7657791
>giving up a social life
Kek. Can't give up what you don't have.

>>7657660
I started drawing because I was bored with my life. It's more likely that it saved me.

So do you guys lay out right-to-left reading or left-to-right?

>>7657915
Same, I was able to focus on my health and went from barely being able to walk without feeling like my heart was going to explode to biking three times a week. I'm doing what I love every day and I couldn't ask for more.

>>7657923
I use right to left cause I like to be weird with it.

>>7657660
I just want to make comics so I can tell stories, get a few readers, get some fanart from time to time if readers feel like it, and quietly improve my art skills at the same time. I have accomplished all three, so I already consider myself a success in that sense.

>>7657660
I just want to make comics so I can tell stories, get a few readers, get some fanart from time to time if readers feel like it, and quietly improve my art skills at the same time. I have accomplished all four, so I already consider myself a success in that sense.

>>7657930
Wouldn't the weird one be right to left considering non japanese don't read that way? Unless you write your manga in japanese

>>7657660
For me is the other way if I stop drawing I will be suicidal

>>7657660
What part of this makes you think comics are the cause for the suicidal thoughts.
A person is more than just the comics they make you know. Not every single thing that happens to them is comic related just because the only thing you know about them is that they make comics.

I draw houses like a 7 years old lol

>>7658249
Nice coloring, anon.

>>7658249
It gets the job done.

I have a friend living in japan and he knows japanese quite well. I was thinking in hire him to translate a manga project Im working on and send it to some japanese magazine. But there are things I don't know how they work after I finish it like: how do I send it to some shonen magazine? Can you do that from your pc or you have to send the manuscript personally? Do I have to send a chapter or like a "one shot" being basically the prototype of it?

>>7658522
>how do I send it to some shonen magazine? Can you do that from your pc or you have to send the manuscript personally?
Depends on the publication. Some have online submissions, some require attending an in-person meeting. Check their websites, there should be a section for 持ち込み, the word for bringing in work to show. It might be just a button down in the links, or it might be in a banner somewhere. If you can't find it, send them an email asking if they accept online submissions.
>Do I have to send a chapter or like a "one shot" being basically the prototype of it?
Generally if you're just sending in work cold then you should expect what you're showing them to just be an example of your work, not the actual work to be published. Even if they like it, there's a good chance they'll want to start over from scratch with an editor.
That said, they may wish to have you submit the work to a competition, so they can intro it as an "award winning work". Or maybe even just run it straight in the magazine if they REALLY like it. But the most you should reasonably be expecting from this is to be assigned an editor who'll be in charge of guiding you along to an eventual publication (and that's if you're good).
^ this is all based on my experience with a hentai mag. I don't know if or how a shounen mag might do parts of this differently, but from what I can tell this seems to be how most mags operate ^

And personally, I'd recommending finding a way to translate/communicate without your friend. Even if this goes perfectly and you get yourself a publication, it might still be quite a while before you see any money and even then it'll only be a piddly page rate for a long time. Don't put yourself in dire straits for it.

>>7658559
Thanks a lot porn anon. I think I will create an one shot presenting the ideas and the general tone of it instead of starting with the plot in mind. I dont think I can pull a publication because even their own japanese rejected mangas mogs me but I want to at least one time try sending it to a japanese magazine to measure my level and because I love shonen. Although if I get the 0,1% chance I wouldnt know how to proceed lol.

>>7658559
>submit the work to a competition, so they can intro it as an "award winning work"
do hentai mags do competitions lmao
that could be fun

Hot bread can be found at:

>>7658769