People here talk about talent, high IQ, having a good teacher, genes... But I'm starting to think that what truly helps you make it, is obssession, stubborness. Is drawing even when you get nothing in return. Even when you want to quit, want to give up you get pulled back in against your own will. It's irrational and compulsive. I think you have to be at least a bit insane to be a good artist.

Less yapping, more drawing.

>>7649391 (OP)
Correct.
Better message than most of this board.

But not enough to keep a thread going.

fuck this board

>>7649391 (OP)
A bit insane to pursue anything into mastery. It's a path that isn't for the faint of heart.

>>7649391 (OP)
I just approach it like drawing x hours a day doing certain things then see improvement thinking beyond this seems pointless unless i am trying to get better at something particular art related

>>7649391 (OP)
>It's irrational and compulsive
A+. Now get drawing.

>>7649391 (OP)
in essence... just draw.

yes, its why most people will never reach mastery in anything

>>7649391 (OP)
>Is drawing even when you get nothing in return.

I've been doing this for years and so what?

>>7649535
Your dedication is admirable. However, you could spend a bit more time on your accuracy. Try to make each figure look the same. Draw each shape consciously and with purpose and not sloppy and quickly. You can do this!

>>7649535
jesus, draw the things you like man how hard is it, make a character and draw them in different poses and angles, do this over and over again and you will become good

>>7649535
so you've been warming up, and then doing noting? why don't you draw and let the pot boil?

>>7649535
You know, at first this troll used to annoy me because I thought it was meant to show how grinding doesn't yield progress, but now I can appreciate it and the role it serves here. It's like a warning sign for people on their learning journey.

>>7649391 (OP)
>People here talk about talent, high IQ, having a good teacher, genes... But I'm starting to think that what truly helps you make it, is obssession, stubborness.
All of that helps. Why are you trying to be narrowminde at all costs?

>>7649615
You're the one that's being narrowminded. They didn't say you didn't need those, but that one of the largest parts of success is obsession. Which is true, you see this mentality in all of the GOATs. They live and breathe their craft.

>>7649535
>all this drawing and it still looks half-assed and all over the place
shameful

Obsession is a part of talent

>>7649391 (OP)

I certainly get the stubborn part from my mother. But she's a permabeg pianist that can't read notes but somehow can play the piano.

>>7649535
What's up with the random knife?

>>7649391 (OP)
You need Ocd to be good at stuff maybe just imitate Ocd

>>7649535
You're supposed to be obssessed about improving, not about drawing circles and triangles.

>>7649391 (OP)
no, not at all, you can now us AI.
you don't have to suffer (which is a meme) to create beautiful and meaningful art

>>7649391 (OP)
>I think you have to be at least a bit insane to be a good artist.
I'm crazy but I don't think it's necessary.

>>7649391 (OP)
Struggle on you glorious bastard

>>7649391 (OP)
>it's not talent, genes, IQ you just need to draw
>what do you mean just draw? You need talent, genes and IQ
This shit never ends

>>7650045
It's the hentai drawings that motivate me

>>7649535
I have to actually draw some finished drawings not do whatever the fuck this is jesus christ

>>7649535
>>7650117
actually i change my mind if you're dumb enough you're just doing this shit once a day for like a month and that's it's you probably have some sort of mental disability and are never gonna make it. give up

>>7649391 (OP)
I try to, by keeping drawing even if I suck past the worst permabeg.

Lack of talent well never be overcome, but I guess one can get a bit better in time

How do you build up your drawing resilience? How do you get yourself to crank out 7+ hours of drawing consistently? Crack? Coffee? Something else? I can barely draw for more than 1 :(

>>7649842
Implying you create anything. What a joke. If that truly were the case then I guess we would have to concede that whenever someone litters that also is a creative output. By definition whenever someone shits themselves in public the fumes that emanate from them would also be a creative output.
People here want to actually express their own creativity not delegate the whole process to an algorithm (built on plagiarism from our actual peers) and proclaim they made it themselves.
Unlike you bugpeople we are not driven by greed, we create because we want to and have to. Because this is our passion.

I know this is low quality bait but either way I hope you fall into a loose manhole and get to bathe in human excrement.
You'd be right at home down there anyway since you have a lot in common with excrement. You're already human waste, parasitical and a manifestation of the worst traits in humanity.
Driven by shallow desire for fame and adoration, money, willing to step over anyone and everyone to get there. Unable to see the ethical complexities in these issues also indicate to me that you're a simpleton/midwit moron. Either that or you're completely morally bankrupt. Probably a bit of both.

Whenever you come on here and spew your vitriol we see right through the fake smugness and arrogant attitude. We see you for what you truly are. Even the normies have you figured out. Maybe that's why you try so hard to compensate? Because you know deep down you're a fraud and a scammer.

>>7649403
Same man.

>>7652496
It will come natural once you get good enough to get into the zone

>>7649391 (OP)
>Obsession

This post reeks of /beg/, there are tons of artists with "Obsession" Art has ruined many lives with them thinking being "obsessed" was the answer. Proper guidance and feedback is what makes you a better artist. Obsession or stubbornness doesn't make you improve on your bad habits it doesn't teach you that having a process that makes juggling all the elements of a drawing simple. It's apart of the puzzle but exploring and talking with other artists and mentors can and will beat out obsession. No Athlete made it to the pros with just obsession and stubbornness, they say that shit because it sounds sexy. The actual battle is really boring and not trying to psyche yourself out with doubts both a teacher and art peers can help you with. Relying on willpower alone will burn you out, your environment plays a huge role for your behavior, why not make it easier by being around people doing the same thing. It's like working out at home vs going to the gym, you can procrastinate at home, there are a lot things that need to be work on, but if you're at the gym the only thing to do is what other people are doing, workout.

>>7652496
have fun
if you're not smiling like a retard while drawing, you're doing it wrong

>>7656068
Just like there are plenty of wrong ways to be obsessed about something, there also many *right* ways. If you are obsessed about improving and finding solutions for what you're having trouble with then you're on the right path. If you're obsessed about just doing the same shit over and over again without realizing it's getting you nowhere then you're just crazy.

>>7656068
Talented faggots will never give any useful advice so as not to create competitors.

>>7656158
How can I find a solution to a problem if I can't even define it?

>>7649391 (OP)
>drawing even when you get nothing in return
Pic unrelated? He got serialized. All your idol mangaka who worked so hard knew they could get serialized. You need a reward in sight to keep going, even if it's something insubstantial. The reason why manga artists are good at drawing is that you can get serialized if you make a nice comic. People will read you. Even if there's basically no pay in most cases it's a reward
on the other hand in the west if you draw anything that isn't porn fanart for niggers nobody will give an absolute fuck and it's 100% certain unless you're some SoCal kid who socialized with execs in art college. quality doesn't matter. I'm not even thinking about money of course, this is about shit like getting a basic readership for a comic. You're literally throwing your time in a void and since 2020 the void is also training AI with it so it's actively used against you
It makes literally no sense to post art or make an effort to reach an audience of bots and spics on instagram. Jesus Christ imagine doing that. Meanwhile trash porn drawn like shit or made with AI makes 60000 trillion $ a month lol how the fuck can you even have any will to share things with the public if they're all disgusting mongoloid niggers. The only reward is getting cucked
Just draw as a hobby and get a real job, possibly something that exploits normalcattle and actively makes their lives worse. Whether you keep drawing or quit, git gud or degrade doesn't matter cause nobody gives an absolute fuck
You're literally running a rat race you will never win

>>7658612
>He got serialized

Yeah? You're looking at the end result. There are tons of mangaka (Most likely including Miura) who wrote a oneshot and got rejected plenty of times before they were picked up. I know Araki did a couple before Jojo was ever picked up, by then he knew that he had to make a certain type of manga before being picked up, both mangaka turned in some pretty wonky looking manga refining it over the years.
>if you draw anything that isn't porn fanart for niggers nobody will give an absolute fuck
You can't choose your audience look at Toriyama and Dragonball most every race loves that shit but the spic love goes above and beyond having big screen watch parties of a shit series, so big that Toei/ shuiasha (idk how to spell it) Has to constantly sue them for using their IP without their consent. You might as well quit now if that's your take on art as a whole.

TL;DR - here's your (you)

>>7658630
Are you retarded or are you just acting dense? Yes they got rejected but they knew they COULD get serialized. You get rejected so you try again because you know that door is open. You won't get shit in the west especially if you are a white straight guy, that automatically means you're out. You either draw coom fanart for Patreon niggers or you get a foot in the door because you sucked off your teacher at CalArts. Even in the industry they care more about your politics than your talent and effort. You have zero fucking chances to get anything back for your work in the west and not only that, you'll be feeding AI jeets so you get cucked twice for it.
You are free to waste your time on a delusion IDGAF you'll burn out and quit. I never burned out.

>>7649391 (OP)
You don't understand, that is what talent is, the art process is enjoyable, it's like pushing a beautiful rock(your art) up a mountain, drop it into the lava, and hope for it to magically become a dragon, most of the time it does not, and you do it all over again, and again, keep pushing the rock up and toss it into the mountain, feeding the hungry art God. It is an impulse, I feel I need to, do you understand, if I NEED art. 90% of what I do is art, even when I dream I dream of beautiful woman and worlds of the wildest imagination, even while dreaming within my dream, I am studying art. And the moment i wake up, i write about my dreams. This thing inside of me is relentless, I used to do 12 to 16 hours a day of art, draw, paint and sculpt. But age have caught up with me, this is the Asian genes, this is what you can't gain. I don't even need friends because I got art, it is a bad thing, you need a woman to balance you out, especially if you are a young man, don't only pursuit art, pursuit woman too, don't be retarded like me. Now I'm too old, and do not have a family of my own, and I have nothing to show for. Art is my noble pursuit, even if i fail, i continue. Can't stop wont stop. Here is my current art.

>>7649391 (OP)
"Draw" is the easier half of the equation
The other half is enjoying doing it and getting better too.

>>7649391 (OP)
>People here talk about talent, high IQ, having a good teacher, genes
Mostly /pol/niggers with fixed mindsets, who believe that change is impossible, because they are cowards.

>>7658612
/thread