Why do people deny talent?
Is it some sort of coping mechanism or do people actually believe that talent is just a myth?

>>7652189 (OP)
I think it's one of those reddit-borne illnesses that spread out to the rest of the world.

Talent exists. Maybe not genetic talent, but how you were raised and what past experiences you have is incredibly important to how easy art will be for you.

>>7652189 (OP)
>Why do people deny talent?
partly because it's normally ill-defined and/or explained when applied to specific, supposed examples. but yes part of it is cope. though that's with any skill and hardly need be said in the first place.

>>7652191
Where is this from? It sounds unhinged.

>>7652189 (OP)
Any honest teach will admit talent exists because they see it first hand. Some students just pick things up straight away. Take a class of 30 students and there is always one the excels. But most people can learn too, and end up catching up. It's rare that someone is talented in all the aspects of art. Denying talent is a coping mechanism. But using the excuse of not being talented is also just another way to give up responsibility.

>>7652189 (OP)
>muh talent
I see Patel is still seething about how Westerners don't have to deal with a caste system

>>7652200
Richard Schmid - Alla Prima

>>7652201
>He thinks this phenomena is caused by talent
You know that bees don't magically spawn into existence when it's spring, right?

>>7652203
What’s the difference between this and Alla Prima 2?

>>7652205
15 years

>>7652191
Holy based. I didn't give a shit about RS because I thought his art was kind of ugly and a video of him was boring. But I vibe with how he writes. Thanks anon, will look into it now.

>>7652210
I also don't like his style very much but his writing style is very enjoyable

>>7652204
Yeah I do, wanna state your arugment or are you too scared?

>>7652205
Alla Prima 2 added a bunch of extra stuff

>>7652191
>Don’t bother
Hear, hear.

>>7652219
>Yeah I do, wanna state your arugment or are you too scared?
People have lives before they step foot into an art class (both in a long-term sense and a "what else happened since the last class" sense) and this informs their baseline artistic skills, their advancement with that particular instructor's teaching style, their personality compatability with the instructor, and how well they work in the general class environment.

For more info see >>7652191

>conflating skill with talent
Hmm

>>7652223
This argument is useless unless we agree on a definition of talent.
The classic definition of talent is a natural aptitude or skill.
Which is kind of retarded anyway, everyone is born a baby with no skills; they literally just cry, piss and shit themselves. Any aptitude or skill you have, develop over time. This shit just ends up in word games.

people don't talk enough about the reverse/positive talent cope, where it's used as a justification for people doing the minimum effort and giving up. even those who perhaps have endeavored longer than others, but have taken rudimentary approaches succumb to it, instead of trying other methods. it's an easier pill to swallow than admitting poor methods and/or instruction; most want the skills, but don't want to work hard (enough).

>>7652244
>The classic definition of talent is a natural aptitude or skill.
I agree with that. My contention is that you can't isolate this variable, can't test for it, can't third-party verify it. It amounts to mysticism or religion, and there are plenty of more plausible explanations for these effects.

What would make you more talented at art? Very good memory and visualization skills? Also hand coordination

>>7652256
I agree we can't test for it but I'm guessing every language would have a word for it. Every culture has witnessed the same phenomena. Some people seem to have natural aptitudes or skills. Whether it's real or not, simply believing in it would change how people act, so it does exist in that sense. It's often tied to mystical ideas like a gift from God. When you start testing whether or not anything is real, things start getting metaphysical pretty quickly.
Schmid's advice on assuming you have it and then forgetting about it is probably the healthiest mindset on it, I've reposed that image quite a few times over the years.
I do think talent is real, but too many people here use it as an excuse to give up or to discredit people that worked hard to develop their skills. Trying to deny that talent exists when a lot of people (believe) that they have seen it with their own eyes, will just make them mad.

>>7652280
All 3, skill is not like some cpu or grafix card fight,grow up.

>>7652282
>Trying to deny that talent exists when a lot of people (believe) that they have seen it with their own eyes, will just make them mad.
Talent is the UFO conspiratard shit of Art then.

>>7652293
Well yes, somewhat. But most people believe in talent, especially when it comes to the arts. And culturally people like to reinforce the concept of talent, for a variety of reasons.

>>7652300
>most people believe in talent
This can be changed.
>culturally people like to reinforce the concept of talent
Some cultures and cultural practices are inferior. It's a public service to direct prospective artists away from beliefs that only serve to hurt their artistic development.

>>7652312
Well good luck with that. Most people want to believe in it, I don't see it changing anytime soon.

>>7652315
Probably depends on where you go. Most places I'm in I can say I've successfully convinced a good chunk of the (at least vocal) people into seeing the light.

>>7652280
>>7652282
>>7652284

>>7652312
>>7652315

Talent is basically IQ you morons,
There are eternal begs who have invested time, effort, patience and sacrificed many aspects of their lives yet it yielded them nothing but derision and bullying; or people discrediting their efforts.
>muh practices makes you a genius
Same vibes as
>just hit the gym, have a hobby and improve your personality to have a girlfriend, it's not your face or race broooo!

IQ test above, don't reply to bait.

>>7652322
1. IQ changes over time, Flynn effect is real.
2. You're indian.
3. I've known several "eternal begs". They're not actually investing the time, effort, patience, or sacrificing much of their lives. A lot of them have repulsive personalities that make teaching them a massive ballache because they can't hold a conversation without swerving it into unrelated crap, or needing to be handheld through some extremely basic shit because they have been in bad habits for 30+ years. I recently was surprised that an eternal beg got out of the trap, when he was making traced cringey garbage for the longest time.
Most of these fucking people are not actually incapable of being set on the right track and improving at a normal rate. The ones who ARE are most likely actually mentally deficient or just so far gone that nobody is going to invest the time and energy. Like to help Chris Chan you would have to be an all-in-one mentor because his art problems are caused by other issues further up the chain.

>>7652256
Lmao what am I reading
>you can't isolate this variable
Talent is not just one variable, it can be understood as a set of inherent traits that contribute to ones skill in a given field.
>can't test for it, can't third-party verify it
You can test and verify the individual traits that contribute to ones talent. Of course we don't know which exact traits to measure, but that doesn't mean they aren't real, that's some empiricist brainrot.
But surely if you just train hard enough, you'll run just as fast as Usain Bolt, swim just as well as Michael Phelps, be just as strong as Hafthor Bjornsson, play chess just as well as Magnus Carlsen or draw just as well as Kim Jung Gi, lmao.

>>7652189 (OP)
This is only an art thing. Everybody accepts there are 5 year olds music, chess, math, prodigies out there. You got teenagers winning olympic medals and world championships in sports. But somehow being better in art than someone is sacrilegious

>>7652339
1. You're indian.
2. You're indian.
3. You're indian.

Now that that's out of the way, you're basically saying talent is "just trust me bro." It's retarded and you're no better than an african bushman thinking that sacrificing a frog will cure diabetes.

>>7652342
The vast majority of "prodigies" don't actually do anything past making a headline early on. A lot of them are also just narcissistic project babies for their parents who use them to try to make up for their own failures in life by boot camp'ing their kid. No different from the crazy people who try to claim their 2 year old is trans.

>>7652342
Visual art is a cope subject. Drawing is fairly easy to be mediocre at so it attracts people who are complete failures at everything else who use it to feel better about themselves.

Everything else has a high enough barrier to entry in either skill or material that it filters out those people.

>>7652346
You're either a retard with zero abstract thinking skills or a troll. Also why the fuck would pajeets support talent as a concept? They're negatively talented at everything, so if anything you're the indian here since you're coping so hard about talent.

>>7652329
>hops on the bullying the permabeg train all over again
>it's their fault! Not ours I swear!!!!!
There are levels of being a douchebag, but I have never seen such hypocrisy in any other field but in art, fucking always!!!!

>>7652352
>Also why the fuck would pajeets support talent as a concept?
Caste system is quite literally just a formalized -but still irrational - belief in talent.
>>7652353
Plenty can be taught. One I know is learning but at first he took up excessive class time rambling about unconnected ideas, and on multiple occasions (months apart) harrassed, actually-harassed, women involved with the class - a fellow student, who he then started calling nasty things in private, and a live model who I don't know the details of but she refused to return after. He has improved slowly but the man has a lot of shit going wrong with his life that is hampering his artistic growth.
Most "permabegs" are not unteachable, they just require a shitload more individualized effort than there are teachers in the world, or they have the money for.

I have talent, i just don't apply myself.
But if i started learning i'd basically suck all the fun out of the journey because unlike the average Anon here, i really can't force myself to give a shit about social media fame or making money.

>>7652359
Where is your show of talent and why do you think you're talented?

>7652358
Shouldn't you be complaining about these weird incels harrasing grills × Patriarchy is le evulz in some subreddit?

>>7652368
If i start autistically explaining the picture it loses all its charm and you're just going to say i'm pretentious, also it works as a filter for the talentless.
Do you think because it's not polished or well drawn that it's not worth evaluating?
I genuinely do not have the need to prove anything to anyone.
Now call me a liar poopyhead or a coper schizo or some shit.

>>7652371
You are a poopyhead, a coper schizo and you will die as a permavirgin

>>7652371
I asked a simple question

>>7652369
He's just a retarded autist who is actually learning to draw but is so fucking socially inept and depressed that I don't know why the instructor hasn't booted him yet. Maybe he's on a 3-strike system, I don't know.

The point is that if the instructor didn't have the goddamn patience of a saint nobody would help this guy. It's unfortunately the case with most "permabegs" I've seen, that they have a lot of fundamental misunderstandings about art but the act of trying to help them fix them is so painfully time consuming that few people will bother.

>>7652379
>fundamental misunderstandings about art
What do you think the biggest ones are?

>>7652372

>>7652381
For most of these sorts?
How to actually hold a pencil/pen/brush/stylus is like the biggest thing.
A second is that they often are only drawing as some kind of an escape. It helps them connect to a fragmented distorted idea of "simpler times" and so doing things that are hard disrupts it. There's a huge gulf between what they say - like "I want to make a comic" - and the actual work that they do.
Because of that, they often get into the zone way too easily. Like they're basically just drawing to meditate or as an advanced form of stimming, and it means they have to learn to observe what's happening at the same time.

I have seen some get confused about how to actually use a ruler, because they never used one in more than some narrow ways. I've seen some ask questions that are incoherent because they are trying to communicate a vibe without the vocabulary to accurately do so.

>>7652388
>How to actually hold a pencil/pen/brush/stylus is like the biggest thing.
Are you referring to the people that hold them in a retard grip? Those people can't be helped

>Why do people deny talent?
why do people deny that impressive results must require hard work? you're under the impression that some people are born with the innate ability to depict anything they would like, which is both belittling the amount of work "talented" people put in, as well as a self-aggrandizing delusion meant only to protect your fragile ego. complaining about talent makes you sound like a petulant child. you haven't put in even 1% of the effort of a "talented" individual, yet you feel entitled to their skill. it's a weak mentality that will only serve to slow you down in the long run, in art and in life.

>>7652408
>you're under the impression that some people are born with the innate ability to depict anything they would like
Savants do exist

>>7652409
yes, and they often get incredibly proficient in one skill at the cost of even being able to care of themselves on a basic level because of their all-consuming obsession with the one skill. you'd have to be a fool to think savants don't put in a monstrous amount of effort.

>>7652408
Everything requires (((hard work))), the amount is the difference.

Some people learn in a week what takes months to years for others to learn, or never learn. To say that some people don't have a significant predisposition either via genetics or circumstance is just denying reality flat out. Recognizing that you might have to try a little harder than the guy who's dad is a famous artist isn't weak, it's just realistic. What's weak is assuming you can only feel good about yourself in a fair game.

>>7652189 (OP)
How did you miss the point so badly? you don't have to be the MOST skilled artist to get a following. that doesn't mean no skill at all, faggot.

>>7652408
>Just hit the gym broo, you are ugly and unwanted because you want

>>7652189 (OP)
>>7652201
This. Talent is a thing, but it shouldn't be considered an insurmountable obstacle. You can make up for being less taletned than somebody else by spending more time practicing.

Whoever tells you that talen't doesn't exist at all is in complete denial.

>>7653245
Fatso must have had a heart attack while typing.

>>7652189 (OP)
It honestly looks like it uses AI:
*The way the abdominal muscles are drawn is very lol.
*The wing structure makes no sense.
*The arm muscles are wrong.
*The “cloth” running across the body makes no sense of shape.

I think his “inexperience” or lack of “technique” is an excuse to hide the use of AI.

>>7652189 (OP)
It's
1 coping mechanism
2 being brainwashed to believe all people are equal
3 discouraging people from quitting
4 not even knowing what talent means

>>7652191
>if you pretend you have a 150 iq instead of a 90 iq, you will

I hope you guys, who believe that drawing is only reserved for the talented, learn to love drawing.

>>7652349
That makes even less sense. If art is such a cope and easy hobby why are people losing their shit over frivolous affairs?

>>7652191
Based.
That's exactly it, people use talent to excuse them from being lazy and then complain they are not talented enough.

>>7652353
He is right.
Permabegs are drawing but do 0 studies and then they expect being better. Worst is that even if they learn something they don't apply it. I seen this even on youtube once one girl finished whole drawabox she draw it execelently and then i saw her recent art and it's holy fuck like she learned actually nothing.

>>7652189 (OP)
>>7652201
IMO the problem with 'talent' is that people treat it like this mystical vague power one is born with, when in reality it mostly comes down to not having the IQ of a retard and picking things up quickly, or having a functional imagination to picture form in your mind.
There's a guy in my academy who's been going there for 10 years, and random kids who started a month ago already mog him. Teachers are fed up because he's a fucking howie that won't listen or retain anything taught to him, but they let him stay because he bankrolls the place.

>>7652189 (OP)
Talent is just a cope. Even if you are beg tier and scribble something a no draw will still "I wish I was as talented as you" or "I wish I could draw." OP is just one of those nodraws.

>>7652189 (OP)
>Why do people deny talent?
Maybe because it's a very ambiguous term that ostensibly encapsulates aspects inherent in a person (such as having perfect pitch or excellent visual-spatial reasoning abilities) as well as external factors such as the person's geographical location, living circumstances, family, social circle, access to education, etc. A hypothetical person spinning his wheels in /beg/ for years and years might actually progress to "talented" under a different set of circumstances. Imagine if, instead of being terminally online, he had no phone or internet access, and as a child by chance met a gifted artist who acted as an inspiration and mentor, or saw something that spurred his interest in drawing toward something like obsession. "Talent" is a throwaway word that people use to explain an observable end result without knowing how it was reached. The people saying "he has talent" tend to *think* it is all inherent, as if you were born able to draw well. It's just not a very useful concept because it isn't truthful.

>>7655155
yes, unironically, iq can be trained because its measured thru a test, they dont stick a probe in your brain, so if you simply surround yourself with materials that teach you the sorta shit that gets tested to measure iq you can make your number higher

>>7655155
This: >>7655521
Fun fact: Even sticking people in a lab coat for an IQ test will raise the results by a few points. IQ is a silly concept. Basically male astrology.

>>7655529
>Even sticking people in a lab coat for an IQ test will raise the results by a few points
Belief is extremely powerful when it comes to personal ability or the lack thereof.

>>7652191
This is 100% correct.

>>7655297
Yes and in the same process they discredit all the hard work those artists blessed with "talent" put into it to reach that level. Furthermore speaking from a position of authority on a subjectmatter they know nothing about.
It's lazy, arrogant and dishonest all at the same time.
The only ones who can truly speak on this from an objective/ factual standpoint are those who actually applied themselves.
Normies use this kind of rethoric to excuse their own shortcomings and to feel better about their mediocrity. When artists speak like this It's truly pathetic. Just shows you're not cut out for this.

>>7655175
How can I love something when in spite of investing time, effort, headaches and passion I still get shit results, are you dense?

>>7658467
that's not your work.

Anyone who has ever participated in any academic or competitive setting will eventually acknowledge that there are people who are outright exceptional and gifted and are the ones who go on to make breakthroughs in fields, get scholarships, get fancy internships and get grants.
Even in school one will recognize the gifted ones who quickly grasp math concepts that others will never ever understand.
Everyone will recognize that there is talent that enables people to start with higher skill floors, learn and get results faster and reach higher skill ceilings that seem magical and unreachable for others.
To deny talent is to deny that some countries develop nuclear energy while others have rivers filled with trash and human sacrifices.
To deny talent is to deny that some dog breeds herd cattle and search for corpses in the snow while others run towards traffic.

Everyone can get more skilled but not everyone is talented enough to get that skill faster and make it go farther.
Anyone who says that talent doesnt exist are permabeg fucks who refuse to believe that his idols have something he cant obtain or blind talented fucks who refuse to believe they got a little push by God himself and that they are pure hard work.
Fuck you.

CAN WE PLEASE MOVE PAST THIS RETARDED DISCUSSION? THE EXISTENCE OF TALENT DOESN'T DETRACT FROM YOUR JOURNEY. DON'T FALL FOR THE BAIT

>>7658481
The only way I can accept this is by accepting that Hitler was right and eugenics is the future

You can give a man the world but if they are weak of heart they will watch it wither away. Talent, genetics, etc. They help make the man, but they do not govern the actions of the man. Unless you're some deterministic cuckold that believes they have no agency in life, in which case you were ngmi anyways. You know how many 'gifted' and 'intelligent' kids waste their potential? Everybody knows a handful. Why? Because genetics and talent only make the path easier to walk, they don't walk the path for you. What use is potential if you do not have the heart to push the limits of your potential?

There's an experiment where they put rats into a bucket of water and timed how long they would last. Maybe you've heard of it, it's called the 'Hope Experiment'. In the initial trials, the rats would give up shortly after being placed in and die, after about 15 minutes. But when taken out of the water and given a break, before being placed back in, they were able to swim for far longer, some even up to 60 hours.

The point? You can define genetics, you can see talent, but the one intangible thing that you can't grasp? The nebulous concept that makes science cucks and crabs seethe? The human spirit. If you believe in yourself, if you plant that seed of faith in yourself, hope for a better tomorrow and cultivate your vision, you will have something that makes those who do not have it seethe.

There are some people on this board who I have a genuine respect for, like Pawell. Shit on from every angle, and yet they continued on. Do you know how many talented individuals give up because they meet their first ounce of resistance after they've reached the limits of being carried by their innate gifts? Countless, they aren't used to adversity or resistance, so they give up. It's easy to focus on those who succeeded and are talented and claim that's all talented individuals, but the reality is most people, when given the choice of path of least resistance, will take that path.

>>7658554
There´s no gym for the face, race,height and skin color.
Dumbass sperg schizo

>>7658554
>There are some people on this board who I have a genuine respect for, like Pawell. Shit on from every angle, and yet they continued on
Pawell hasn't drawn anything this year.

>>7658554
I mean sure. If you can platitude your way out of whatever bullshit life throws at you and also gain a supporting audience in the meantime; then platitude away.

>>7658561
I know, it saddens me, but I don't think he's given up. From what I've heard, he's just caught up on playing games right now or something. Pawell doesn't strike me as the kind of guy to stop because people got to him.

>>7658566
You know what's hilarious? How frivolous people are about their mentality, when it's what directly affects their motivations and actions. You call it platitudes, I call it defiant optimism. When grounded in action and structure, it goes from blind hope to a path to success. Self doubt aren't optional and failure aren't optional, they are requirements for growth. Tying your self worth to your successes will only mean in times of stagnation and failure you will succumb to despair. I only say this right now because I'm not going through the murk of self doubt, but I'm reiterating the importance of hope to myself for when shit gets tough.

>>7658571
yeah too many people "study" without direction at all. just randomly doing courses not even knowing what their goal is in the first place so they end up burnt out or start from something too complicated which hinders them more than helps. they lack structure, and then there are those who talk about drawing more than actually draw lacking action. all qualities of a permabeg

>>7658614
What the fuck is drawing with direction then?
Am talentless permabeg.

>>7658554
there is someone way worse than pawell at /beg/

>>7658791
not that anon but studying and learning to draw what you want to. if you want to draw girls kissing then you should be studying and following people turotials, how to draw faces, expressions, proper anatomy.

try drawing what you want, identify problem areas, study how to make those better, and keep at it

>>7652189 (OP)
the only people for whom the word talent is meaningful are those idiot savants that get hit in the head or something and then they become more fluent in piano than I am in english and can play everything from memory and improvise new complex songs in the style of any composer without skipping a beat
or take a look at a landscape and replicate it 1 to 1 on a wall sized canvas with a dollar store pen
for everyone else, talent is just having an interest for the craft that made them dedicate large amounts of time doing it over and over and over again
you only see the final result
luckily, if you enjoy making art you already have the most important ingredient for developing non-savant talent
just put in the time. you do enjoy drawing, don't you?

>>7652189 (OP)
It's a lot worse if you acknowledge that talent exists especially when it doesn't matter at all because no matter what you do you're still a white man and they won't hire anyone less diverse than a Black™ Jewish gendersexual neurodivergent nonbinary transmacaque gay womyn on a wheelchair with neon hair who definitely has fucking none. Check your privilege btw

>>7658793
He's not going to listen to you, he just wanted to complain

I don't understand the purpose of this thread. left is obviously drawn by some 12 year old or low functioning autist. are you a child or retard? why are you complaining about random reddit posts instead of drawing?

>>7658467
>investing time, effort, headaches and passion
That's the neat part!
You didn't.

>>7658481
>there are people who are outright exceptional
Correct! But it's not because of "talent". Plenty of counterarguments to your depressed ramble in the thread. I suspect you won't read or grasp it though.

Not because you're "untalented", but because your self-image, ego, and depression combine to result in pain from acknowledging that you fucked up hard. Much less emotional strain to blame talent.
>capitalizing the G in god
Go back to scamming people on fiverr, Kumar

>>7658554
>he human spirit. If you believe in yourself, if you plant that seed of faith in yourself, hope for a better tomorrow and cultivate your vision, you will have something that makes those who do not have it seethe.
This is correct.
Logically you can explain this really easily (derived from science):

Humans are intellectual misers. We conserve as much energy as possible, pushing for rewards (all are internal at the end of it) and avoiding things that increase risk of more energy expenditure or damage (aka pain). Therefore, it's a natural result for people who lack experience personally or via received wisdom to have short termist thinking AKA High Time Preference. This isn't inherent, it just means the person isn't used to the perspective where one connects 2nd-and-further order effects to their causes, which would allow the inverse where you extrapolate from a chosen action into how it benefits you down the line. There are also people who reject this reasoning because they are in a culture of extreme retroactive judgement, and it makes their actions retroactively much much worse. So again, to avoid pain they reject it. They don't believe the benefits down the line are worth the deluge of self-hatred, and possible social consequences.

Talent is thus way to explain differences in results from the same immediate action, by someone who simply hasn't learned to, or won't, reason beyond the immediate

>>7659014
pyw

>>7652189 (OP)
For me personally, it's a coping mechanism and simultaneously something in the back of my mind that makes me wanna give up. I'm starting to grow out of that denial at least.
>>7652201
>Denying talent is a coping mechanism. But using the excuse of not being talented is also just another way to give up responsibility.
Kinda accurate, but when I'm not practising, it's not only that I'm being lazy (well, also that) but also me just losing motivation when I get stuck in a doomer ngmi mindset.
I've been trying to change things up and to engage with other types of art and not just drawing with pencil on paper and I think it really helps me with staying motivated. Like combining my art with my writing, painting with other digital and traditional media, sculpting and animating, things like that. Maybe I can collaborate with someone cool and we can complete each other's creative visions... But even if that doesn't work out, I'll keep drawing and making art.
ONE is genuinely inspiring to me. Talent isn't everything and even if it was, there's more than one kind of talent. I'll keep working on my writing too. I believe that working hard is also a talent.
>>7652249
Indeed!

>>7659329
>>7659014
>Dude like just believe you can fly and you will fly bruh.
>Just jump off a building and fly bruh.
>Birds can do it bruh
Oh to have wings like a dove. How blind can talentfags be with the shortcomings of the mediocre.
>>7659329
pyw

>>7659501
>>Dude like just believe you can fly and you will fly bruh.
Yes that's how airplanes were invented. Do try to keep up.
Imagine being told all your life:
>Humans cannot take to the air like birds, it's impossible
>A machine that can carry a human aloft? Preposterous
>If man were not meant to walk upon the earth, god would have given us wings
And then you say NAY I will find a way to do it! and you work and learn about physics and mechanics and do lots of grueling work with a shitton of failures, but eventually invent a goddamn airplane.

>>7659578
The art equivalent would be making AI that draws you disingenous little nigger.
>Yeah if you believe hard enough that you can grow wings you can invent planes
Fucking lying kike.

>>7659633
>The art equivalent would be making AI that draws you disingenous little nigger.
No the art equivalent is people telling you you "need talent", which implies some mystical 6th sense that lets you intuitively feel the forms and pluck inspiration from the divine muse following you around...

... and then figuring out ways to draw better regardless.

The problem is that the framing of "talent" goes no deeper. There is no analysis of whether or not a claim of talent is true, it's a thought-terminating statement.
>Yeah if you believe hard enough that you can grow wings you can invent planes
Nope, it's that if you believe that it is possible for you to fly (end result) you can figure out ways to reach it by realizing that flapping your arms does not work.
Similarly, if you struggle with making art, you can examine your methods and technique and drill down to see where it is you're actually having a problem. Sometimes its, as /fit/ would call it, a form issue, with your body being in the wrong pose and the muscles to make it easier being underdeveloped. Sometimes it's a matter of engineering - where your tool may in fact be damaged (like a worn nib on a tablet pen or brush pen), your environment's humidity and temperature messing with drying times, the paper or specific brand being a struggle. Sometimes it's a psychological issue, where you cannot focus due to other problems in life or your expectations or self-confidence are out of whack. Sometimes it's a logistical issue, where your sleep is off, you eating is off, your health is off, and you make it difficult to get your drawing tools and supplies out when you do have the energy, rather than them being at the ready.

Practicing this method of inquiry and diagnosis is one part of how one becomes creative. Too many of you fucks are, physically or spirtually, indian and believe that art is some mysticism that only a few gifted ones can do and that it's forbidden to examine it like an engineer.

>>7659501
>Oh to have wings like a dove
You have wings. You have everything you need to draw.
Will you be as fast as a hawk? Maybe not. But if you don't explore and figure yourself out, you might miss it if it turns out that you're as agile as a crow and that speed wasn't all there is to getting where you want to be.

>>7659501
>Oh to have wings like a dove
You have wings. You have everything you need to draw.
Say you are a dove. Will you be as fast as a hawk? Maybe not. But if you don't explore and figure yourself out, you might miss it if it turns out that your flying style is more agile like a crow's or that you can fly for much longer and that speed isn't all there is to getting where you want to be.

>>7659702
You have Science™ as your god and Redditism as your religion.
You have no ground to lecture anybody, fucking narcissistic bitch

>>7662214
I don't worship science, or anything really. I'm more of a nietzchean in many regards. Any kind of limitations you run up against can be viewed as a form of test that you must exceed in order to continue growing in power, else you risk falling into a slave mentality.