I got filtered by comics way too hard. Im never calling any comic book "bad" now that I know how excruciating it is to make one
But i still have some stories i want to take out to the world.
So im thinking about learning prose writing and including illustrations of key scenes. Has anyone else gone down this path?

Theres also the advantage that theres a good market for novels where i live

you might be retarded if you think writing prose and illustrating is going to be easier than making comics

>>7657208 (OP)
VN, use renpy. Perhaps rpgmaker.

>>7657208 (OP)
Learn Japanese and write a light novel, you can write worse than an exchange between two 4channers and still have an audience

>>7657208 (OP)
There is a halfway point between comic and illustrated novels, they're sort of like 'adult picture books', I know they have an actual name that's less cringe than that but I can't think of it, nor can I recall any of the actual titles released in such a medium (as they're pretty damn uncommon).

So you could give that a go, since it's a happy medium between the two.

>>7657211
I'd say writing and illustrating a full comic is more difficult than writing and illustrating a book with some illustrations. Getting skilled at writing in itself may be difficult, but I refuse to believe anyone thinks the act of writing is harder than the act of drawing.

>>7657211
I dont know why people are overtly agressive on this board.
Im not talking about becoming the next Proust or writing literary fiction.
Its about writing a story, that I already have outlined, in prose.

>Illustrating
Ive already made finished illustrations in the past and its certainly easier than making a whole comic chapter lol

>>7657216
>I'd say writing and illustrating a full comic is more difficult than writing and illustrating a book with some illustrations. Getting skilled at writing in itself may be difficult, but I refuse to believe anyone thinks the act of writing is harder than the act of drawing.
He mangled what i meant by "hard" on purpose. I don't think he's engaging in good faith.
I never implied i was trying to become a master prosist.

>So you could give that a go, since it's a happy medium between the two.

I think Will Eisner did something like that no?
In his "A contract with God" books

>>7657215
Larping as a japanese is too dishonest lol

>>7657214
It's a good option but i cant code to save my life

>>7657231
Damn, you’re whiny.

>>7657216
>but I refuse to believe anyone thinks the act of writing is harder than the act of drawing.
>t. never tried writing
You're the same as normalfags who think artists just shit out paintings because they're wild creative talents and devalue and look down on it as a job.

>>7657226
>asks question
>gets answer
>"no ur wrong"
why are you even here, retard? go do it if you know what you're doing

>>7657243
Quit being a disingenuous retard.
I'm writing right now, at this moment, and you're reading it with your beady teary eyes. Writing is easy. Go ahead and draw a picture in response to this post if you think otherwise.
>Heh, but being a GOOD writer is diff-
Which is why I said, in the post you're responding to,
>Getting skilled at writing in itself may be difficult
and sure, I left out other things, like plotting and such, but I assumed I didn't have to go over every single aspect, because I didn't think I'd be talking to a disingenuous retard.

And regarding some of the more difficult aspects of writing, like I also said in that post,
>I'd say WRITING and illustrating a full comic is more difficult than writing and illustrating a book with some illustrations.
As in, you're going to have to do much of the difficult aspects of writing, if you're producing a comic entirely by yourself, anyway.
So I'll stand by what I said, not that you said anything of value that would make me reconsider my position anyway. If you're a writer, you're a hack, because you clearly can't write a good argument.

>>7657286
>Quit being a disingenuous retard.
>I'm writing right now, at this moment, and you're reading it with your beady teary eyes
Stopped reading, look up what disingenuous means.

>>7657286
bro drawing is easy, kids do it before they can read and write lol

>>7657251
>Question about alternative mediums
>Hurrrr ur a retard

Woah what a helpful answer!

>>7657290
>No argument
>Umm, I stopped reading a this point because... [arbitrary reason]. Do better ;)

>>7657298
>act like a retard
>nooooo engage me right now

Just my opinion but
comics / manga > illustrated novels

>>7657299
He did engage him though.
If he didnt want to engage he would have ignored him. But he couldnt resist replying with the reddit-tier "own".

>>7657302
Grim picture

>>7657302
It's not just your opinion, there's a reason illustrated novels completely died out despite being the norm in fantasy not so long ago. Once the medium matured from being slop, serious readers didn't want picture books and comic readers didn't want wordswordswords between their cool drawings. It's a stupid medium beyond trying to engage small children.

>>7657208 (OP)
OP like this? >>7657292

>>7657290
>look up what disingenuous means.
To be non-genuine or insincere, like you are, faggot.
I know you read my post, but are too much of a dipshit to actually come up with any sort of response.

>>7657295
Sure, but was drawing that picture then easier than writing your response there?
Again, getting skilled at something is difficult, learning to read is difficult, learning to write is difficult, learning to write cohesive stories is difficult.
However, would you say reading is difficult now?
Would you say writing is difficult now?
What would you say is more difficult; Drawing a picture to the best of your ability that fills an entire page, or writing a short story to the best of your ability that fills an entire page?
Since you're on this board, the answer SHOULD be writing the story, no? But it likely isn't. Because the act of writing itself is easy. The difficult aspect is the creative side, the plotting out of what will happen, an so forth.
Meanwhile, for drawing, the idea is almost always the easiest part, the execution is seemingly the most difficult part regardless of skill level.

Also, I really hope you're not the disingenuous faggot anon above, because claiming you didn't read my post, only to post a picture and proving you read further would just be too fucking stupid.

>>7657337
I'm >>7657295 and you're literally being disingenuous to the point I find it hard to believe you aren't being a massive dumb faggot on purpose

>>7657357
Wow, cool argument, here's my response; fuck you.
Did you like my response? I tried to meet you on the same level.

>>7657363
mad too

>>7657368
Aren't we all just a little mad, living in this crazy world?

>>7657370
no, just you, soiboi

>>7657208 (OP)
It's easy OP. Comics are a workhorse activity, but it's a mass consumption media. Picture books take somewhat less effort, but are a niche media. The former has a number of avenues to get your minimum wage if you're good/asian. Go win some competitions.
The latter requires investment, marketing, market analysis, finding the right niche and selling the right product to them. You'll want to sell paper copies on amazon and even bookstores, that's not straightforward, but not impossible. They're just two different business models. Depends on where your interest lies.

I'm sorry to say that if you're trying to sell illustrated books with ISEKAI LOSER STARTS SUMMONING DRAGONS WHO TURN INTO WAIFUS you'll have a bit of a steep marketing curve. Audiences have expectations. So who is your story gonna sell to? If you have a good story for a comic you might just want to find an artist and agree on a split. A GOOD story sells a lot with sequels, spin offs etc.

>>7657378
>soiboi
You seem pretty mad to me, buddy.

>>7657393
cuz the estrogen is making you emotionally unstable like a woman

>>7657208 (OP)
or Visual Novels just to include the offspring of the good market in your area.

There is a text where the reader follows the plot, and your illustration to illuminate the plot.

Visual Novels and Illustrated Novel covers digital and traditional side.

>>7657401
>Keeps responding
Do you know what the definition of insanity is, buddy?
You're as mad as anyone else, but I don't want to exacerbate your condition, so I'll end it here.
Take care, buddy.

>>7657408
I accept your seething effeminate concession

>>7657231
>It's a good option but i cant code to save my life
I believe Renpy is a 'visual coder', as in, you don't actually need to code at all if you're not doing anything crazy with the medium. Give a video on it a quick look and see if it's in your range of abilities.

>>7657226
>I dont know why people are overtly agressive on this board.

Quite frankly, they aren't aggressive enough. /ic/ used to be way more aggressive but that post is absolutely right, you think drawing the scene is hard? Try describing it, telling the audience what's going on where certain people are, seeding and entertaining through visually descriptive language. Comics are way easier Just because you can string words together does not make writing easier.

>>7657596
Eh, whatever.
The idea was to discuss alternatives to comics, but hey lets discuss semantics instead!
Its obvious we mean different things by "hard".
I just remembered it's summer so now it all makes sense lol

>>7657542
Thanks ill give it a try

>>7657387
I dont have any isekai in mind lol
More like pulpy stories

>>7657616
>it's summer
Summerfags are a myth
You're just talking to the retards that are always around

>>7657616
>The idea was to discuss alternatives to comics
If we're discussing any alternatives, another option would be to do a narrated illustrated videos, akin to those 'storytime' animations.
I'm surprised I haven't seen much in that style of 'animation' that isn't just people talking about their day to day lives.

>>7657215
>Learn Japanese and write a light novel
Nowadays you have LitRPG books that are basically western light novels, and webnovels.
>>7657214
>VN, use renpy. Perhaps rpgmaker.
This. Just make a Visual Novel.

look up fabled kingdom by queenie chan

>>7657231
>Can't code
If you have 15 bucks for videya, just buy TyranoBuilder, lazyass.
There's also Twine which is even easier to make a game with than Ren'py (depending on what you want your game to look like), but that's probably too much work for you, so kiddy gloves actual no coding visual novel maker it is.
>Not Japanese
You don't need to write in Japanese to publish Light Novels. An American wrote The Beginning After The End and it got incredibly popular (for an isekai regression story that is)

>>7657208 (OP)
Just write illustrated smut. Like rawlyrawls. I recommend Mothership Wilderness.

>>7657208 (OP)
Read Bande Dessinee

I'm not OP, but I would like to know about works that combine comics and illustrated stories.
>>7657216
>There is a halfway point between comic and illustrated novels, they're sort of like 'adult picture books', I know they have an actual name that's less cringe than that but I can't think of it
I'd love to know the name for that kind of work if you can remember it
.>>7657231
>A contract with God
It's been a while since I last read it. Perhaps I should reread it someday.
>>7658121
This one looks interesting. Thank you, anon.

>>7658910
>I'd love to know the name for that kind of work if you can remember it
I'm sorry anon, I've been wracking my brain trying to recall it, but I'm just at a loss. The closest I found was a term called 'picture novels', but that just looks like marketing schpiel for what are essentially comics/graphic novels.

The term I'm looking for was used for a short time, before mature comics for adults was an acceptable thing, for a particular format of highly illustrated books where about half to three quarters of the page was taken up by an illustration on every page, and where the text took up the remaining page, essentially making each page a single comic panel (though no word balloons and such).
The most well known one that popularised the term was some sort of pulp detective novel and illustrated by a comic artist of the time - if that helps anyone else recall what the hell I'm talking about.

I'll probably stumble upon it again by the time this thread dies, as these things usually go.

>>7657208 (OP)
I've been daydreaming for a while of writing an epic fantasy novel and sprinkling a ton of maps and vistas and characters and diagrams of buildings and macguffins and races and weapons
like tolkien, but with extra visual world building. he already drew beautiful maps and illustrations as it was
so I wouldn't necessarily be illustrating the story, just adding flavor