Thread 7662459

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TQ: It's the height of summer in the north and the dead of winter in the south, what do you personally do differently to compensate for the extremes of temperature and humidity affecting your materials?

>>7662459 (OP)
>TQ: It's the height of summer in the north and the dead of winter in the south, what do you personally do differently to compensate for the extremes of temperature and humidity affecting your materials?
Nothing. I just curse more whenever my materials don't do what I want them to do.

Did you do it, anon?

>>7662521
One day this will be me
But I first want a good printer and also an air filter so I don't get dust on my paintings all the time.

I painted this. Would love some thoughts. I feel like I went too heavy with the watercolours, lost a bunch of detail. Should I try to do lighter washes, or a more reestricted palette? I love the look of Moebius art, with ink shading, and some watercolour shading. Would love some feedback.

>>7662521
Nah, I got a canon scanner of some sort. If I was a professional painter I might though,

>>7662459 (OP)
I haven't really noticed anything different, though it's very humid now and I guess the ink does take longer to dry.

>>7662530
>a good printer and also an air filter so I don't get dust on my paintings all the time
One day this will be me
But I first need to start picking the cat hair out of my paint.

>>7662536
> I feel like I went too heavy with the watercolours
Yes, the wash is way too saturated and too dark at places.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COZVokXas-Q

>>7662521
I just got a macro lens for my 'show'
it was $20 and slips onto a phone with a clip
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FgGuTkP2bz8

Big study of Bougereau , 38”x30”

>>7662745
2018

>>7662745
nigga 2018 was 12 years ago, post new stuff

>>7662745
You need to put on your big boy pants and work on your fundis.

Quick, cue the "BUT I MAKE MORE MONEY THAN YOU AND I DON'T NEED TO WORK ON MY ART ANYMORE!!" script!

>>7662908
More please

Any advice on how to cheaply display practice works? I think they're pretty enough to be put on the wall but not enough to buy actual glass frames.

>>7663015
A ghetto-cheap way is to use a clear plastic sleeve and blutack it to the wall

>>7663015
Just get a cheap matte border from Michaels.

>>7663015
Encase it in epoxy and then observe with sadness as it yellows over the next 3-10 years

>>7663026
lol, now that you mention it, these are pretty cheap pastels so it's very likely they'd fade anyway. Hopefully I'd have improved a bit by the time it's black and white.

>>7663041
If you want to keep them up for a while then just get something to prop it up on a shelf, like a bookstand. Rotate a new one in when you're proud of it.

You could also glue a bunch of them to a $1 sheet of foamcore or posterboard, varnish it, and then blue tack that up.

Does anyone else focus and unfocus their eyes looking at their art or a reference? I know some people can’t do it, but intentionally blurring your vision, I suppose it’s a muscle you’d have to train if you can’t do it. I find it super helpful.

schizo wip

>>7663109
I also do this. It helps to break down a reference to nothing but colors and shapes so you don't get distracted by details when you're blocking.

>>7663178
i really, really love this. it’s so captivating. inspires me to want to salute it through drawing a reimagining.

>>7663178
Maybe I ruined it

>>7663215
you need to work on your technique
maybe this would be cool if properly executed, but it just looks amateurish and sloppy
you need to either give it depth to make it read as surrealism or drop the pretense and focus on the brushstrokes to make it work as an abstract of what I assume is cum

After switching to paper i havent finished 1 single piece. Its laking depth compared to oil. Is oil really the only medium for real art?

>>7663296
pyw

>>7663296
You just suck, and I know you know it too, so why make dumb posts instead of painting?

>>7663313
I havent painted anything yet, just some proofs of concept of mixing ink and water color. Yes my ink is waterproof, dip pen on arches paper is not perfect bit quite good, otherwise it looks like shit.
>>7663322
But it looks flat.

lol

>>7663138
What do your paintings or drawings of people look like? Could u do just a regular portrait so we can see? I mean yes you ruined it at the end but three iterations of this painting looked good, so 3 for 4

>>7663380
This is like my 5th painting ever. I've only done abstract tests/experiments.

>>7662756
>work on your fundis.
meaningless. "you should relearn every single thing about art because the one you posted holds not a single good artistic quality" gaaaaaaaay so incredibly gay of u to say shit like that gaaaay ur gay gay gay homosexual gay dick in ur butt gay gay gay you want my attention while also demeaning me in the most insane way because you are a gaaaay maaaaan who is in the closet about being a gay guy, youre deeply cloeseted

anyways ive been doing pastels again

>>7663434
NTA but work on your fundies doesn't mean forget everything and relearn them. It means you obviously haven't mastered them and you need to do more studying.

But if someones saying this shit genuinely, they'll usually tell you which ones.

>>7663434
>meaningless
nta, but that depends on your goals. if you want to stay at that limited level of ability, then by all means don't try to get better.

>>7663468
>>7663471
get a room homos oh wait u cant bcuz ur not a successful artist like me ahahahahahahaha

>>7663498
get a better non-argument

>>7663504
get better art oh wait u cant hahahahahahaha jk you can buy mine ahahahahahhahaha gottem again

>>7663515
>you can buy my slop
no thanks

>>7663515
People pretending to be me is so awesome I’m gonna post again just to see more retards get confused I love starting drama I’m such a fat little girl I’m rolling around in the mud eating worms

>>7663527
> I’m gonna post again just to see more retards get confused I love starting drama
Naggers do literally everything instead of studying fundis

>>7663570
Name ten fundis

>>7663570
You know we already know your fundamentals aren't good because we know the work of everyone itt, right?

I just spent 250 bucks on more oil paint. Finally no more being stingy with paint!
Also, I cried a little when I saw the prices for Old Holland oil paints.

>>7663922
>buys old holland paints
>not new holland paints
starving artists istg

>>7663926
I only saw there's also New Holland when I got home and checked their website. There was probably a New Holland section at the store but I was happy buying Schmincke for now without checking out all the available brands.
Now I gotta learn to actually paint instead of worrying about materials so much.

>>7663109

It's called squinting in art instruction and it is a known and tried technique to identify different values. I do it as well, unfocusing to make my sight blurry, but not everyone is able to do it so those who can't will have to close their eyes halfway to get the same effect, ie squint.

>>7663926
>>7663935
I thought it was a joke, never heard of it, either

>>7664006
>>7663935
Wait, fuck. I confused it with another brand that had "New" in their name.
Less making jokes, more painting!

bring back high art bobs

>>7663296
You just suck.

Everyone knows that gouache and watercolor (painted on paper) are the true patrician-tier media.

encaustic painting

my medium > power gap > your m*dium

>>7663918
These random blues and reds flowing down from his mouth make him look like a dead corpse and the eyes looks lifeless , u will be a master in macabre shit

>>7664472
> gouache
You put a gun to my head and ask whats worse, gouache or acrylic and i wouldnt know what to answer.
>>7664518
Thx, its a little series im doing with watercolors. This one is a little bit older, from last year i think.

>>7664541
>You put a gun to my head and ask whats worse, gouache or acrylic and i wouldnt know what to answer.
All this does is prove how poor of a painter you are. And the work you post proves it.

>>7663296
>compared to oil
Unless you are doing collage work, paper is a substrate that you can still use oils on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Riz4sdc-D1k

>>7664541
>You put a gun to my head and ask whats worse, gouache or acrylic
LMAO >>7663322 completely vindicated.
You just suck.

Why must we always fight?

>>7664573
>bad artists exist
>/ic/ mad
>/ic/ smash

it's quite simple really.

>>7664583
it's not a matter of existing, it's a matter of lacking self awareness
the guy blames the medium and calls >>7663322 flat while posting >>7663346
it's like posting about "mercedes not being for real driving like a porsche" while posting videos of yourself attempting to parallel park for 3 minutes before hitting a hydrant

>>7664602
It truly is baffling. How we can get primitive masterworks from neolithic man smearing mud and clay on rock walls with their hands to "boo hoo, the paint was only student grade! I can't be a decent artist without my mastergrade fineground pigments!"

>>7664573
life is one big struggle.
t. Australian painter

>>7664625
heil holbein

>>7664602
Relax your anus, dude. Im talking about my results with the medium in the first place. Acrylic is just objectively evil, though.

>>7664633
The posts are right there, everyone can tell exactly what you said.

>>7664633
>Acrylic is just objectively evil
Only if you don't know how to paint.

>>7664619
Not really. The artists in prehistoric times were not only old enough to have the skill to make art, they were old enough to survive in those times, meaning artists were also generally the most vicious hunters (most art then was of what was hunted, meaning they were part of enough of the hunting to be either leading them through experience or close enough to the kills to remember them)

>>7664440
>every woman’s breasts in art were the breasts of a teenage girl on a grown woman
Can you say based

>>7664650
>on a grown woman
>based

>>7664635
You are such an autist, you really think white knighting a medium, that someone is jokingly trashing is a good idea to put time in.
Not to mention that you havent postet any own watercolors, thats just a given for a nodraw.

lol he's seething

>>7664656
Yes, you won, again. How the fuck are you even doing it?

>>7664655
Just take the L and don't be a retard next time.

>>7664633
No, it's lawful evil.
Anyways, thoughts?

>>7662712
>POV
>Self Portrait

>>7663346
>>7663918
>>7664541

LMAO THIS CAN'T BE REAL LOL

>>7664659
it's ez 2bh

>>7664663
Okay, I think I got it :^)

>>7664674
Missing: ink, oil pastels, soft pastels, tattoos, airbrush

>>7664674
I'd personally move digital to lawful evil as digital artists and their lazy-ass corner cutting and one-button copying is the main reason AI image generation exists.

>>7664663
These don't make any sense because D&D alignments are based on cosmic forces.

You could do something like and axis of pigment vs dye and then another of solvent vs water. And then class those as good/evil/law/chaos (the selection of what applies to what being the Funposting part)

>>7664678
nobody cares, dweeb

>>7664674
I fixed it. Fuck digital.

In thinking about anon's shitty alignment chart, I had a ponder.
Do people paint with pigmented epoxy resin? Like I know people pour with it or do weird things like squeegeeing it, but is there any significant amount of people who like, use some kind with slowdry additives in it and paint with it using a brush like normal?

>>7664684
And yet you made this using digital tools. Curious indeed.

>>7664686
fuck off cris

>>7664686
I mean, technically, this is a painting. You can make trad art from anything, really.

>>7664687
Stop following me to my home pls

>>7664687
digiwhat?

>>7664692
digizoomers don't even know how much pain we had getting the egg yolk cooked to the right consistency each time we wanted to use a mouse

>>7664686
I've seen it. Poured resin almost always looks cheap due to its gross over-popularization in social media content farm videos. But in some mied media stuff it can sort of look cool. However i don't think it's widely used.

>>7664688
Cris is dead, I'm just someone who knows enough about the material properties of things to realize when some shit is equivalent.

Like how anyone "seasoning" their cast iron is just rapid-curing a food-grade, unpigmented and pure version of the same oil used for oil paints.

>>7664689
>You can make trad art from anything, really.
Truth.

>>7663918
Looks like metalocalypse lmao

was told to come here a while ago from people in /beg/ but I have nothing to draw but shitty doodles due to lack of motivation. does anyone else really like to draw statues?

>>7664766
>was told to come here a while ago from people in /beg/
It was me.
>I have nothing to draw but shitty doodles due to lack of motivation
Okay, I publicly apologize for bringing this Howie here. Motivate yourself or go back. There's only Serious Artists Who Definitely Are Going To Make It™ here.

>>7664770
oh I'm not a howie I'm just an attention rotten zoomer, sorry lol. didn't mean to seem like I was asking for help, I was just apologizing that was all I had to show right now.

>>7664773
End your Howie arc and become A Serious Artist by making a finished piece

>>7664777
I can try...

>>7664786
Do it. Do it now.

I saw some oil pastels on sale and I thought about buying them, but I stopped myself when I found out that I also needed special paper and equipment, wew.

>>7664993
>not hoarding supplies
ngmi

Lots of suffering here but I learned lots of things I shouldn't do next time around. I'll still finish this. Eventually.

>>7664790
Buy some, Holbein is cheap

>>7665023
> I learned lots of things I shouldn't do next time
What?

Hi anon, can you critic my watercolor painting pls?

>>7665108
link?

>>7665581
Your linework and definition for the fountain and steps are very good. Your trees suck and lack form. They're too bulky, lack contrast, and you let your colors get very muddy.

>>7665581
I agree with the other anon. The colors are beautiful, the fountain looks really good, consistent and thoughtful shading, and nice blending. However, the trees , especially the right one at the front, aren’t very visually appealing. Very muddy, and slightly symbol drawn considering trees aren’t built in such a uniform manner

Drawing trees in the park

>>7665581
I agree with the others on the most part. My addition: you have a clear front, mid and back plane, which is great. You could try playing with more saturation and contrast on the front, lowering on the mid and even less on the back plane (I think you're doing it, but you could amp it up a bit. Also, the sky holes on the front tree are a nice touch, but you're making them way to dark and saturated. Love your shadows though, and your edges are also very nice

>>7666048
I like. Nice style

>>7665352
>Brushes you like when painting with acrylic don't necessarily work with oils.
>No, that brush doesn't work as well.
>Don't use that red if you want to reach that orange.
>Don't put the fucking color on the canvas even it's "kinda close".
And more stuff like that which you know on a rational level but only really learn if you actually made the mistakes with your own hands.

>>7666313
>Brushes you like when painting with acrylic don't necessarily work with oils.
This can be due to the viscosity difference in both paints. The general rule is that paint stiffness and brush hardness should be matched.

>>7666340
I did know it's about the paint you use it with. But I said to myself: "This is my favorite brush. I know how to use it. I know its ins and outs and all the secrets it has up its sleeve. Surely I can make it work with a different medium."
Turns out it didn't work out in the end. Weird lesson to learn but it's a lesson, I guess.

>>7666340
>The general rule is that paint stiffness and brush hardness should be matched.
For me it's also about the stage the painting is in. I can start with a hard bristle brush for the first marks, for the first masses, maybe some transparent washes. Towards the end when I'm working on small details and delicate glazes, I definitely move on to softer brushes.

Its a common approach in oil painting, instead of manipulating the consistency of the paint, you use the same paint straight from the tube. Stiff brush is used for the lover layers, to spread the paint thin and soft brushes for later impasto layers.

>>7666704
enjoy ur cracks

>>7666778
hey thanks man

>>7666778
i will enjoy ur moms crack

Did more to this, better photo to get the scale. The signature is old, there was a different painting underneath I just liked the signature

>>7666999
What do you think of it?

>>7667001
I think it’s embarrassingly garish, but that’s what I was going for

>>7667005
why

>>7667013
Raised all my prices on eBay which doesn’t mean they’re selling, actually means the opposite. Means I’m not making any fucking money, and as a greasy Italian man with loose ties to the mafia, that’s making me really annoyed and depressed not making money. So the hope is that it’s going to force me to figure out a way to sell something, force me to make better art, force me to play the market better, because I fucking hate being fucking POOR

>>7667027
no, I mean why were you going for "embarrassingly garish"?
is that supposed to sell? I genuinely don't get it

>>7667032
If I knew what sells I’d have sold it by now

>>7667027
Retards will do anything, ANYTHING just to avoid studying fundis.

>>7667054
Rape yourself with a knife
Anyways studying more plein air today

>>7667087
>Rape yourself with a knife
Such edgy.

>>7667087
At least TRY to be a bit more likable, Brian.

>>7667087
>IMG_9202.jpg
Looks like something drawn by a retarded child, by the way. That must be the appeal. Everybody is sympathetic to a drawing done by a retarded child.
I would question the morality of such psychological manipulation driven by greed, desu.

>>7667101
And not a work of their was posted that day, every single time lmao

>>7667155
Because we spend more than 10 minutes on a piece.

>>7667173
Cope and seethe you fucking faggot

>>7667054
That's Brian, he has brain damage as a result of being dropped on his head. He's also a pussy. Jimmy is the better schizoid.

>>7667201
At least TRY to be a bit more likable, Brian.

>>7667207
When I find someone worth liking. Otherwise why treat animals like people?

>>7667208
Why would anyone react to your sperging with kindness? This is some dumb incel schizo shit you're doing here.

>>7667204
>he has brain damage
Brian should be all the proof you need that using heavy metal pigments makes you retarded

>>7667216
Not my fault it works. This is the exact reason people buy my art btw. This level of overreaction, that’s what the market does with my artwork when it’s for sale. Everyone loses their shit, but the people who like it still buy it, and it makes the angry people more and more pissed. Not my fault my dumb pictures make everybody so angry. Maybe you just don’t get it, sorry bro

>>7667228
Maybe your board should be /biz/ instead of /ic/.

traditional art?

>>7667428
yeah

I wish I knew what I was doing

I wish I was Brian's dirty, dirty human rocking chair

>>7667228
>This level of overreaction, that’s what the market does with my artwork when it’s for sale. Everyone loses their shit, but the people who like it still buy it, and it makes the angry people more and more pissed.
I see Brian studied the Disney-Marvel school of marketing

Just the act of putting paint on the canvas is very relaxing and sparks joy. However, my brain still hasn't made the connections yet that make me paint what I have in mind when I'm not in the middle of painting. But we'll get there. We're all gmi.

>>7663015
Take as good a pic as you can. Good light, use timer on your phone to avoid shake etc and then you can make a print if you want. That's what I do, I photograph the ones I like and then stick the originals on the wall with tape or tuck them away in a draw to rot. Take that pic while it's fresh though anon

No idea where this one is going. I needed this nonetheless.

>>7667643
I want the people who hate me to kill themselves, have heart attacks from anger, be so upset that they have psychotic breaks, and the people who like my art to like it more than anything else they purchase. I genuinely feel that way. I hope whoever hates my art commits suicide in hopes of anyone caring at all, and that nobody does, and then they rot in hell in sadness and misery and pain, while my customers buy another drawing. I hate the people who don’t like my art so much, I hate them more than anything, I wish them nothing but death and disease and sadness in life, genuinely

Do any of you pay for lessons and courses and stuff? Or are we all books and YouTube. I sometimes think about paying for stuff but idk there's so much free stuff.

It looks like nothing in particular because I don't yet know how to paint anything. Low on skill, high on fun.
Next couple of days I'll be traveling and painting some gouache plein air things, I think. We shall see. I hope you all had a productive night!

>>7667779
I don't hate you, I just think a lot of your art is ugly and mostly 'safe' in the kind of way that the art in a jazz-listening new york jewish dentist's office would be. Its like a real world example of someone who is floundering around from having grown to the limits of his current paradigm, in a nietzchean sense, but refuses to evolve past it.

I mean this genuinely, it's quite interesting. You're stuck in a hole of subject matter, composition, color, etc so you experiment mostly with technique.

>>7667779
Now he is trying some voodoo shit to silence the hater in his brain, instead of doing fundis, hell is other people indeed.

>>7665581
Omg it's perfect , don't let the fags say "muhh trees no contrast" out of pure jealousy when They send DIsMembered figures picking their ass . This is a great art !. I may even buy it from you . You have a unique style . You have almost mastered using light tints for painting scenes .

>>7667853
genuinely unsettling post

>>7667853
Okey, you were smart enough to google it.

>>7667779
based. All this whining and no work being posted on their end. Smh. I'll come back later to post some work too

If you tink taking pictures of your art is hard, filming the process is really hard.
In todays situation just posting photos will not get you very far, you need timelaps videos to get at least a little bit of traction.
I have an old iphone and a camera with a very sharp lens, that would be equal to 50mm on a full format. Its pretty wide, the camera is in between your face and the drawing.
Should i by something like pic related?

A little color study on bristol paper, i think i will transfer it to a more serious paper.

The cardinals are coming along decently so far. The male is mostly done, minus some shading on the wing. And just starting to refine the structure of the female.
The fencing's going to be rickety white picket with some rusty, exposed nail heads staining the wood.

>>7664684
>Chaotic Evil is the most visually interesting of the bunch.

>>7667027
I remember telling you like 5 years ago that the boomer eBay market will only keep drying up because literally no one but clueless boomers who die in waves by the year use it.
At least start marketing your shit on Instagram since that's where the Gen-x aunts and uncles are right now.

water color was a mistake

>>7669891
>>7669879
the duality of /trad/

>>7669736
>bro arts dead its over
>ive been saying it every year ive been alive
>trust me bro next year its really over this time
no

>>7665685
>>7665704
>>7666052
You guys got baited. It's a Sargent.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:JERUSALEM.PNG

>>7670048
All we learned here is that Sargent was competent, but his trees sucked in this painting.

No one got baited, you simply brought to light the flaws in a celebrated artist. Honestly, it makes me feel better about myself and my artistic journey, that even an artist as famous as John Singer Sargent can have poor work or sloppy skills sometimes. Thanks, anon.

TRY THE /IC/

ART ALRIGHT?

>>7670208
>No one got baited
That's a cope. I am not the anon who posted it, but I find it funny how multiple people responded as if anon did it.

The rest of your post is accurate though. Too many people in here either use kid gloves for famous artists they like or are overly-critical of ones they don't like. Was a pretty good troll.

>>7669879
the way you lit/shot/editted it kinda makes it look like ai, there's something wrong about it

>>7670048
so is this, what's your point?

>>7670309
I have been stabbed through the heart. I hate AI, brudda anon :'|

>>7670318
I think you're just pushing the contrast too much, you're getting bloom on the halos, the paper is pure white and darks pure black, it's just not what trad looks like, I'm getting an uncanny valley response.
Could just be me, of course

>>7670219
He cherry picked a fairly simple composition by Sargent. If he posted pic related with the same caption I doubt people would believe him. Watercolor is a strange medium though, it’s almost like any good or great watercolor can and will look like the best watercolors. It’s a target that either gets hit or doesn’t, unlike other mediums you can use for representational art. Probably why Sargent succeeded with it, you have to be divorced from any notion of style since the mediums look is its only discernible style, the rest is raw technique.

>>7670329
Watercolor is the medium of America in my opinion, between hopper, Homer, and Sargent we produce more great watercolorists than great oil painters. European art never treated it as a serious medium save some very very old artists, otherwise you get some scattered attempts but nowhere near as many dense catalogs of the medium by Americans. Not to even mention illustrators, advertisers, and comic artists in America working almost exclusively in the medium.

>>7670329
>the mediums look is its only discernible style
You'd have to be pretty retarded to think Turner, Zorn and Sargent have the same style

>>7670331
hopper is pretty meh watercolorist and sargent is hardly the product of american art, he was born in europe, lived in europe, learned form euros, painted for euros and died in europe
he was like 25 when he first set foot in the usa for an exhibition

>>7670332
Not what I said, if you look at great European artists use of the medium compared to Americans, this Cezanne for instance, Cezanne is still obsessed with his personal style. This is hardly a record of his vision the way the hopper and Sargent I posted are. The largest difference in the hopper and Sargent isn’t the style, the styles both look fairly non descript, but they are using the medium as a vehicle for light and composition rather than imposing their own personal style into the works. A huge difference between the watercolor works of Sargent, hopper, or Homer and their oil paintings either way Americans in fine arts have always been fairly bland compared to European contemporaries unless you count post mid-century art which has moments of clear stylistic vision like Basquiat. Otherwise American culture has always tended towards illustration (George Washington crossing the Delaware, historical artwork) and most of our great artistic contribution is musical and not visual. Americans invented basically every musical and illustration style that is worth a shit, but we aren’t the best fine artists. We veer into ridiculousness with fine arts. We tape bananas to wall and insist they’re important

>>7670329
>mediums look is its only discernible style
This is 100% a bait statement for (you)s and to get people to share unusual watercolors but I'm taking it

>>7670336
Leyendecker, editorial illustration from the golden age, golden age of comics, Disney, Looney Toons, most cartoons desu, it’s all watercolor. It’s all American. An artist looking to learn watercolor as a serious medium for their artwork would be stupid to not come to America to learn it, it’s our thing.

>>7670338
Nigger what the fuck are you talking about, I literally quoted what you said, you schizo

>>7670340
>it’s all watercolor
no it isn't, and even if it were, it's shit
imagine touting le golden age of comics as the height of your watercolor lmao

>>7670340
>An artist looking to learn watercolor as a serious medium for their artwork would be stupid to not come to America to learn it, it’s our thing.
It's your thing the same way making muscle cars is your thing, you're living in the past, you're like a Greek insisting you should come to Greece to learn to sculpt, delusional.

>>7670342
He’s not wrong there is actually a shitload of American art that’s all in watercolors not sure what his other point is though

>>7670338
>but we aren’t the best fine artists. We veer into ridiculousness with fine arts.
This is yet more bait but I will actually engage with this one.
America only existed as an actual country starting at the tail end of the 18th century. A lot of pre-modernist european fine arts had to do with big ass institutions, namely catholicism. The US was and is primarily a protestant country in terms of which way its major religion(s) lean.

Quite literally its because the financial incentives were different.

>>7670342
Depending on how pilpul he is being he might be counting gouache as watercolor which was used a shitton.

Nice ignoring the jappo art though, really helps sell your seriousness.

>>7670350
>Nice ignoring the jappo art though, really helps sell your seriousness.
are you autistic or what? I'm replying to a statement about the supposed treatment of watercolor in american art, what do your pictures have to do with it?

>>7670354
I meant to actually put that with the first response, sorry - a bit tired.

The anon who claimed
>mediums look is its only discernible style
Has ignored evidence to the contrary.

>>7670329
>>7670331
>>7670338
Brian, you dumb retard

>>7670370
How did we get cursed with Brian and gypsyanon?

>>7670372
It's Brian's thread, we just live in it. I mean that literally, the place used to be 80% him posting

I'll never understand how everyone screams about watercolor being this all-encompassing medium, when it's actually gouache that was so heavily used in early animation and illustration.

To me, you're all Brian

>>7670375
name 3 people that do that

>>7670379
Who uses gouache heavily?

Matisse did in studies and later in his career
Rockwell used it in studies
Disney animators painted its animation cells with it
Studio Ghibli heavily uses gouache in their animations to this day
Leyendecker used it as his primary medium

>>7670389
no, that scream about watercolor being this all-encompassing medium

>>7670338
Tupac Shacure and George Floyd teached me more about life, than Jesus, thank you America!!!

>>7670375
uhm gouache is technically a watercolor

>>7670460
Ahrm acchually gouache is a watermedium, aquarelle is transparent, gouache is opaque, egg tempera is somewhere inbetween, its mostly transparent, but you apply a lot more layers, so the top layers are painted over itself and do not sink into the paper.
Histirical gouache was always cut witch chalk modern gouache is aqarelle, without chalk, but with a more opaque pigment in it.
I habensome Hodoram gouaches and it is not mikly at all, the only difference to aquarelle is that it flows less and stays on top of the paper. My guess is the pigment is bigger in size.
Its the same difference (just reversed) as between aquarelle and modern fountain inks with extrlemly small pigments. It flows more than aquarelle and its much more even. Its too smooth, looks synthetic.
t. watercolor noob

>>7670460
nah, there's a reason you won't find dextrin based watercolor
>but muh opaque watercolor
in some european countries gouache is historically called tempera, doesn't make it tempera

>>7670540
actually, I just looked and "tempera" doesn't even appear in english until the 19th century, so it might have been synonymous with gouache there too

I want to transfer some of my older cg pictures on to paper.
Printed them out, probably the first time ever i printed one of my cg drawings. It feels so much different, so much more real. And i saw directly some fuck ups in proportions i wasnt really able to see on screen.

>>7670540
> in some european countries gouache is historically called tempera
In Bashkortostan?

>>7670546
Tempera always sounded more like a subjunctive for paints, like today we have oil and acrylic, and by comparison oil is much more “temporary” than latex based acrylics. Maybe the mogfest was so insane that there was some retardo race to make art with increasingly stupid mediums like “egg tempera”, which really just meant “the most temporary paint possible that’s only for based art chads and oils are gay and easy”

>>7670821
You already had Michelangelo saying “painting is for faggots like da Vinci”, this wouldn’t surprise me

>>7670821
Isn't tempera the most long lasting medium?

>>7670824
He never said that, he specifically said oil painting (not painting in general) was for women and the weak of mind in response to someone trying to strongarm him into using oil instead of tempera

>>7670912
its legendary difficutly just for preceding oils, when da vinci painted the last supper on that shitty cracked up wall with tempera it was already so archaic as a medium. the difficulty in it is the fact that it dries like acrylic but is half as workable as oils. da vinci was just trying to mog people cause it was how he kept himself entertained, and he was never going to be a michelangelo level sculptor at his age, so he landed on egg tempera, the old ass annoying medium they all used before oils were invented. I don't think anyone cared then, and it's maybe the worst renaissance piece for preservationists because it needs to be repainted and polished up constantly. Da vinci's drawings are more kino than his paintings anyways. hes very claude monet-esque to me, he was so superior to every other artist around as a pure draftsman that he half-assed most of his paintings off pure drawing ability.

Figure painting

>>7662459 (OP)
>do oil paint class
>fucking love it
>now i have to buy oil paints with no money
life is pain

>>7671460

You only need a few colours to do a lot and a tube will last you a long time if you’re not a retard squeezing out too much. I don’t get people who think that oil painting is super expensive to get into, it really isn’t when you look at it long term and don’t buy convenience colours.

>>7671506
People think when they run out of paint they run out of all of it, usually I just perma run out of white and yellow, but I’ve had the same tube of Prussian blue for like 6 months. The only expensive mistake you can make with oils is buying a color you never use. If you’re using the paint it’s not being wasted

>>7671460
>>7671460
It depends on what you are painting.
Impressionism with a lot of saturated colors and impasto its expensive.
When you follow a more classical approach, its not that bad. When you work with a Renaissance its even cheaper.
250ml tubes of premium white, yellow ocher and some sort of red iron oxide or burned sienna, plus 100ml carbon black is 100-200 bucks.
Additional you could buy 3 modern high chroma colors, series 1 or 2, like ultramarine, and a synthetic red and yellow. This would be a full chroma palette.
250-300 bucks and this palette will last you 6-12 months, when you paint a lot. Realisticly it will last for many years. But its a professional grade palette, with top quality paint.

>>7671521
Same, I bought a cadmium red ones that I use frequently but I've had it for 4 years and it's more than half full.
Meanwhile the raw umber, white, and ultramarine blue run out so quickly. Fortunately even the cheaper brands are mostly fine with these colors especially the umber and white.

>>7671552
and paint has no other purpose other than to paint with, so unless you're eating it, idk how using paint to make art is ever a "waste of money". most people can't even bring themselves to draw, so as long as a brush is touching a canvas i think paint can't be a waste of money

>>7671552
> Meanwhile the raw umber, white, and ultramarine blue run out so quickly. Fortunately even the cheaper brands are mostly fine with these colors especially the umber and white.
Hmm, i have the opposite experience. I have a lot o mid price earth colors, they are maybe half as expensive as the premium brands, maybe even less. And they are veeery bad. Full of oil and basically zero tinting strenght.
Shitty consistence, take too long to dry.
For example i Schminke Norma is so much worse than Mussini, it feels like 2 completely different paints.
From my point of view, there is no sense to buy cheap series 1 paints.

>>7671506
not buying convenience colors isn't cheaper, you still spend the same amount of the constituent pigments

>>7671626
> convenience colors
What a casual you are, hahahaha.

>>7671818
>paintlet thinks convenience colors cost more than constituent pigments
>hurr durr btw
go paint, retard

>>7671818
Bro, you paint like this

>>7671950
You fuckers, first you shit on me for getting cramps while mixing, now you pussies buy premixed colors.
> you paint like this
I could fix her.

>>7671964
A good Hooker's green is the perfect color to darken flesh tones and fuck mixing a color so you can mix a different color. Neutral darks are also pointless to mix, just get a tube.
There are probably other specific use cases for common mixes.
Either way, using Hooker's green doesn't cost more money than mixing it
>I could
doubt.jpg

Holy fuck, i hate postmodernsts every day a little bit more.
I read about The Perfume, a German book, that was written in the style of the old. The pseuds started shitting on him, for being too old fashioned, and not knowing enough about the modernism. Years got buy, the book become an international bestseller, the fuckers started damage control.
No-no acshually you are not a premodernist, you are a postmodernist, cos your main character is a little bit like this other character in a old book, you know.
I swear to good, if i would find an original Rembrand, put my own signature on it and would say its my original work, this midwits would say its an outstanding example of postmodern art.

Another conspicuous stylistic feature of the work is an extensive use of intertextuality, which has been met with both positive and negative critical response.[11] Literary allusions identified by the critics include references to works by Flaubert, Balzac, Baudelaire, E.T.A. Hoffmann, Thomas Mann,[12] and Goethe. In the literature, for instance, there were observed some resemblances to the story of Faust.[13] While Perfume received much praise for being original and imaginative,[14] its citational structure has been either received enthusiastically for speaking to the literary acumen of the reader,[15] or recognized as problematic, due to the overload of constant allusion and pastiche,[16] or being considered a “parody” of other works.[15]

Homer was based on existing myths, and switches time periods, its not chronological, it has random facts in the middle of the text, Aeneid is a remake of the Iliad. The Bible is based on the Gilgamesh myth and old Jewish cults...

Postmodernism is basically a hoax for low iq retards and doesn't exist in reality.
Its just a stupid explanation for the degradation of western art over the last 120 years.

>>7671971
You need premixed colors when youre painting a Ghibli movie, or you are an illustrator in general.
Using premixed colors is the most unpainterly thing an artist can do.
> doubt.jpg
Why?

>>7671976
>if i would find an original Rembrand, put my own signature on it and would say its my original work, this midwits would say its an outstanding example of postmodern art.
You are about 100 years too late, dadaism has already been done.

>>7671980
OK, retard, try selling that line again when you can paint.

>>7671982
I mean if i would do it secretly. They would say the original Rembrandt, they would think is done by me, is postmodern.
If Odyssey thats 2.5 k years old, would be erased from mankinds memory and i would publish it today, the would say its postmodern.
Its completely meaningless, you can call everything postmodern.

>>7671987
> when you can paint
By which standards?

>>7671990
I know I was only joking.

>>7671992
Highly unlikely to be a relevant distinction

>it's akshully bad to use premixed colors

This mindset really screams "I'm totally impressing everyone in my beginner-level color theory class".

>>7672051
weren't you whining about your skintones when you did the afghan girl? maybe drop the master painter larp and try using hooker's green

Brian should be the strongest argument for being pro-premix, since all he does is make mudtones.

>>7672067
Now that I think about it, pastels are basically premixed paint

>>7672065
Yeah i did. Retrospectively my biggest problem was titanium i turned the saturated pink way too cool. Now that im thinking about it, maybe i should paint with oil again. My studio is still compromised, but 1-2 afghani girls should be possible.
I only played around with the good white on my palette, but warm pinks looked great with no afford.

>>7672069
Uhmm akkshoolee uou shuud onlee uze primary pastellss

>the good white
lol

>>7672095
Clearly you should do what Brian does for pastels because they’re amazing, and do whatever the opposite of his shit smear oil paintings are. If he tells you anything about painting advice it’s a psyop

>>7672104
Zink white, the only allowed white in the Sovjet States of Europe.

I want to learn to paint in van gogh's style. I'm a complete newb. Where do I start?

>>7664664
Kek

>>7672434
Academic drawing

>>7672434
Im by the way the anon whos working on impressionism on and off for a year.
Be warned its hard and expensive.
My biggest problem for a long time was and still is color mixing. Its very colorful and vibrant, which is hard to achieve without maling it vulgar

>>7671506
>>7671540
ok, thanks anons. maybe next month if i get some more money in.

>>7672452
>>7672473
Can you recommend some good structured courses. I don't know any artists and I've never tried painting before, so I have no idea how I should even go about trying to learn this.

>>7672531
Impressionism is a counter culture. It happend as a reaction. In my opinion you should know what they rebelled against.
Read an historical introduction to know most important art movements.
1450-1920 for example.
Read van gohs letters to his brother, imortant.
Read about Monet, important
Start with Schmid alla prima 2, he is more classic but an impressionism respecter as well
Lactures of paul ingbert on boston school, interesting but probably too advanced for a full noob
Otherwise im sick as fuck right now, maybe other anons can help.
Just ignore all the postmodern retards

>>7672536
True enough. The painting innovation in terms of technique is just crosshatching with paint more visibly. It’s not a new thing, da Vinci didn’t crosshatch with paint, Michelangelo did, that divides existed since the Renaissance, the impressionists just did it more visibly with impasto. Learn to crosshatch I guess,

>>7672585
Yes pen and ink drawings help, but the othr way around is the same. Impressionism helps drawing with pen, crosshatching not so much but marallel hatching, like meobius and this japanese guy
But color mixing is way more important for impressionism

I posted this before but cleaned it up a bit since then. Suggestions to improve this further or should I just call it and move on?

>>7672918
Looking good.
It looks holistic over the whole surface, my advice would be to let it as it is.

I call it "Irascible Gentleman with Firearm, ink on paper".

>>7671971
> doubt.jpg

>>7665023
Brother this is just Goatse

Hmm, today I will not accidentally paint 9/11

>>7673964
Also this thing

>>7673964
This is unironically really appealing

I'm gonna spray them with thinned PVA glue and glue magnets to the back.
I've got this idea of something like, if it's painted on a penny, and you could reclaim the penny, it's worth the penny minus the labor of cleaning it.

I’ve started reading French philosophy on postmodernism, they are such gasbags. Hard to follow on what they re even talking about.
As if all of those color smearer read all of this pretentious French theory. If they really did it would explain why they had no time left to study the fundis. And if they really studied all of this just to produce kindergarden smearings, its such a waste of time.
I think what really happened and what makes more sense in a capitalistic system is division of labor. Some American wrote a very stark simplified version of the ideas for the artists. They followed the instructions as good as they could and then a five head critic wrote all the lore for this garbage and linked it to the French yapper.

boooO0oo

Any landscape painting advice? I wanted to go muddy colors on this but maybe I shouldn't have.

>>7674781
This was the reference. Also, I made only a single pass with it (nearly lost a brush in the process because the paint was almost dried) so it's not as much effort as I could've put in here but I also wanted to give it a try to paint a quick landscape instead of going at it in multiple layers.

>>7674785
Why would you bring your porn addiction into landscape painting?
I am always happy to paint something without a face, let alone a meat hole. I dont get it.

>>7674865
Great advice. Thanks!
(I don't even care about porn. Maybe that's my problem.)

>>7674869
My advice is stop painting stone vaginas, you snarky smerd.

>>7674893
Alright. I'll paint a flesh vagina next, pleb.

>>7673964
>>7673967
Your style is something I'd like to incorporate into my work. What medium is this? The more I stare at the 2nd one the more I need to emulate the pointy bits above surrounding that orb/whirlpool. I'd love to do something similar to the first image for pic related. Adding both to my references folder nevertheless.

I'm not an artist, I am on a mission to paint a recurring dream I had in adolescence. Here is my most recent piece. This is the 6th piece of art I've ever made. Critiques are appreciated and beckoned!

Hey guys, this Moebius piece, what was it made with? Ink and watercolur? I really love the look. The combination of hatching and colour. Which order do you think he did it in, ink first then watercolour, or first painting and then ink on top or some other method?

>>7675209
This is one aspect of art where a lot of progress happened. There is so much shit for pen and ink illustrations. Waterproof ink for lines, even for fountain pens and a shitload of transparent water based colors: inks, liquid aquarells, acrylics, fountain pen inks, regular watercolors…
Easiest way is waterproof ink for lines and most transparent watercolors or inks.
If you want a „digital“ flat look, buy modern nano sized particles inks for fountain pens. They are expensive though.
If you want a more painterly look, buy regular watercolors.
If you need a digital scan as end product, scan the linework before painting and overlap it afterwords in photoshop

Boomers will die soon.
Huuuge collections will be transfered to gen x and millenials.
They are much less interested in art.
There are much less rich customers interested in art.
Gen xers sell off the giant collections.
Nobody to buy.
Prices drop hard.
That will probably be it. The last collector market based on boomers tastes will die out. Old books, old furniture, wine and other shit boomers collected is already dead.
I will enjoy to see it all burn.
But as an artist myself, i think the future is looking grimmer and grimmer.

Read Baudrillard, feel depressed and nihilistic. I always knew i was too susceptible for this shit.

>>7675287
This not true. More and more rich people are buying popular pieces as an investment strategy. They don't care about it or appreciate it. It's just a safe place to park money.

>>7674781
Have you ever considered using less paint with gamsol washes to put down value areas and then go over your value study with a more exact color approach?

I've never understood how people can be so liberal with their paint usage. I'm almost always dry brushing or doing light washes.

I see artists like that jose trujillo guy just gobbing on a a fuck ton of paint and letting the stroke decide the form as much as the value or whatever and I'm just floored with how much trust they have in that process.

>>7675549
Gamsol doesn't work with acrylic paint, does it?
And it's not really a value study. Actually, it's not much of anything. Maybe I should commit more next time.

>>7675549
>I'm just floored with how much trust they have in that process.
That's stuff you can do when you know what you're doing. It takes time and practice until you get to that point.

>>7675561
Nah, you'd just use water in that case.

went to the met and got so inspired i started writing down artists to study, ended up with 2 pages of names...

>>7675209
I wanna say ink and watercolor but he also might've used gouache and/or acrylic in the upper parts of the image. Moebius used the whole range of mediums, even airbrush, markers, colored pencils, egg tempera, etc.

>>7675405
>Baudrillard
Simulacra or what? Please recommend something, I wanna read interesting stuff.

>>7675405
>>7675767
You guys should read Distinction by Bourdieu.

Brian, how do you respond to this without sounding angry?

>>7675769
>Distinction by Bourdieu
you made some comments about this book a few threads ago, didn't you? I see you, brother, I see you.

>>7675790
We're five guys in this general. It's not too hard to see each other.
<3

>>7675507
The market has no growth since over 20 years or something. Look at the numbers.
And its very small to begin with, its only 50 billion per year.

>>7675792
>food analogy

>>7675075
My purely abstract stuff is mostly acrylic. Sometimes a little mixed media like the two black bars on the above are black thin wrapping paper strips glued onto the page (did that during a workshop encouraging mixed media).
I don't know if I really like full on painting or not but I think it helps feed into my pen and pencil drawing somehow

Some older half finished stuff, for some reason it feels like its time to finish them.

>>7675963
This one is very nice all around. How did you approach this painting? What did your sketches look like?

>>7675985
Thx, mate.
The Garden of Death was initial inspiration. After that i composed the scene out of my head and then found different refs for the background, the water, the pose and the faces.
The skeleton faces i later painted from life. The bones are partially from fotos, partially simplified fantasy anatomy.
That was my sketch i transfared on to canvas.

Unfortunately i made some technical mistakes, i will physically remove some spots of paint that cracked and repaint it.
>>7676004
> The Garden of Death
pic related

>>7676004
Digital sketch I find interesting. Thank you for sharing!
>>7676006
I felt a bit reminded of the peeing skeleton as well.

>>7676011
> peeing skeleton
That's a cool painting, didn't know it before.

>>7676011
I really hate this ostentatious massive gold leaf's frame trend, it's so fucking gay and retarded

>>7676166
In this case i think its fine, the sujet is funny, maybe the big frame is part of the joke but it it too loud for my taste.
But for iconic monumental paintigs i like such frames quite a lot. If it round on the top and big it can look like an altar or church window. But i prefer wood without gold in most cases.
Modern trash art framed with a cheap, golden, baroquesk is real cancer.
This one Japanese miniature photorealist guy, who won this American contest with a cunny on a throne is doing it all the time. Sometimes the frame is 3-4 times bigher as the painting. And his paintings are extremly buisy as well.
Well, reason 7389 to hate postmodernism.

>>7676188
I mean its fine but not great.

>>7676188
shut up nigger

Fuck the French, startet to read Mark Fisher at least the Americans have the decency to write understandable.
>>7676219
Are you drunk, again?

>>7676236
you're shitting up the thread with your inane babbling and sad efforts to cover up your technical ineptitude with loud opinions
you're literally the worst poster the general ever had

And now we're back at this, chat.
Inktober is pretty soon-ish. I'll forego the rest of the ink cattos I wanted to draw and instead finish the ugly animals series because after Inktober my drawings might look different because 31 days of crunchtime does that to a guy.

>>7676244
What about technique?

>>7676270
Inktobers integrety is too compromised, so i heard.

>>7676300
It kinda sucks because of the guy but I like the activity coming from it. I might pick up a different prompt list this year, who knows. But first I gotta survive two months of more drawing and painting and then I'll decide. I'll definitely do one drawing each day tho. It's peak burnout month but the results are always nice to look at.

>>7676305
Yeah i see, your art is profiting from the serialisation and shorter time window. It elevates the more boring pictures instef of tearing down the better ones. And it seams to prevent you from autistically filling blacks with a liner nib.
What are those black cats though. Is it from some French comic, they look familiar to me.

>>7676305
What i basically meant is: it looks cool in a grid; some sort of synergy is happening.

I can't believe I'm STILL the best artist here after Brian, you guys really suck.

>>7676331
Crosshatching takes much longer than filling out a cat. Next Inktober I might go for a more art nouveau style with more flowing lines and less crosshatching. We shall see.
>What are those black cats though.
They're horrific, unknowable abominations.

Might as well post this even if the thread isn't bumping anymore. Going to try and salvage some midtones tomorrow, had problems with painting lifting. I love how panel looks as the end product but it's a pain in the ass to lay paint on. Though I think lifting paint is less of a problem with gessobord, this one is a jackson's panel.

>>7676489
What white are you using?

>>7676532

Lead white.

>>7676548
Yep, there's your problem

>>7676565
Care to elaborate?

>>7676613
europoor jealousy

>last 4 paintings were complete shit by every metric
>stuck in some fucked up sleep cycle where I'm constantly tired while simultaneously spending most of the day asleep
>had nothing but pastry, energy drinks and a chocolate bar for the past 3 days
>stole the chocolate bar for some reason
>didn't even think about it, just felt insulted that it cost so much so I took it without thinking
>now I'm paranoid they'll recognize me if I go back
>it's the closest store
How are you guys?

>>7676938
same, same
I bet it's the fumes

It's not brand new; for my buddy's shop during comic-con.

hihihi can someone help identify this painting ?

and eventually, these two ones in the back also, but I don't have big hopes. the black coat portrait looks identifyable but idk about the other

>>7677372
could be van gogh, he liked painting lone cypress trees
>>7677374
could be anything, really, reminded me of this rembrandt, the 3 on the left must be holbeins portrait of king henry

>>7677372
It's by Jean Baptiste Armand Guillaumin. Couldn't find the proper title.

>>7677414
Alas there's already a van gogh, sunflowers, in the back that you can see well in another shot
I did identify henry VIII by holbein the young too for that one, thanks
> reminded me of this rembrandt
yeaaaah I can see it, good idea. I was thinking either some renaissance portrait of a merchant with one those those hyper dark fur coats or the portrait of a lady from idk, sargent, renoir, manet, someone with a knack for people from that time that's famous

>>7677418
YESSSS thank youu anon. French version seems to be Environs de Paris ? not sure

Working on an over the hedge piece

>>7677359
Nice hair
>>7676489
Love this so far , keep us updated

+recent life stuff

>>7675962
Lovely. Who is this?
>>7675963
Love the thought process and colors here. Keep sharing your work

I painted a comic strip

The on-the-nose art reference is done. Now we're at the final stretch, chat!

>>7677490
Thx, i have nice drawings as well. Was it you, who posted monochroimatic animal skulls several months ago?
I got some shit for my chaotic drawings in this thread, but yours are much more structured.
> Who is this?
Im often on this site with free royalties photos and look who has an interesting face to paint. Just random people.
>>7677946
I dont get it.
>>7677970
Isnt it a bad omen to sign the painting before finishing?

>>7678028
>Isnt it a bad omen to sign the painting before finishing?
Maybe. Especially when I take a break and suddenly it's the next year. But the main reason I do it is because when it's the final thing in a drawing it means the paper surface is so run down that there's a lot of ink feathering and it looks terrible. It's signed and dated on the back as well and I consider that the "real" signature.

>>7678028
Yea that’s me lol. Thanks

>>7678028
>i have nice drawings as well
Holly molly what a Freudian slip, i meant to say you have nice drawings, haha

Something is off, im reading postmodern philosophy right now and i have not a bunch lot to criticize. But i dont really see a connection to the ugly postmodern art. Same with literature. I read some Proust, he is quite good, for a French.
But again. It has no conection to postmodern art.
If postmodern literature would work the same as postmodern art. You would have a book with complete random letters, half of the letters wouldnt even exist, it would be written in a bad handwriting, with piss as ink on a roll of toilet paper.
Postmodern philosophy is legit philosophy, postmodern music is legit music, postmodern literature is legit literature… but postmodern art is retarded shit, literally retarded and literally shit.

>20 times "postmodern" in this thread
obsessed

>>7678230
the funny part is the retard just figured out he doesn't know what postmodernism even is despite having it pointed out multiple times kek
he's gaining sentience

>>7678276
I know what postmorten art is, i didnt know it has nothing to do with postmodernism, which is actually based.
Modern art is a complete hoax, even the name.

oh well, he'll get there

>>7678288
>>7678209
just draw (or paint)

Is the postmodernism schizo the one that paints anime or was that someone else?

>>7678302
It's him, yeah.

>>7678302
I barely paint any anime.

>>7678312
You're the only one painting anime here.

>>7678316
No

>>7678317
Nigger, I literally recognized you from your retarded way of typing and you replied to me with an updated animu painting, it's too late to backpedal now. Your posting style is very telling.

>>7678312
Post a comprehensive timeline of your art evolution.
Here's mine so that you have no excuse to chicken out.

>>7678393
Wait, this one is better.

>>7678394
2023 was 2 years ago

>>7678547
No, it was 15 years ago.
>>7678393 has 2024 and 2025 stuff.

>still no collected art collage by postmodernist anon
Sad!
Anyways. We might finish this one tomorrow, /trad/.

>>7669296
And finally done after much procrastinating.

>>7678209
>Proust
Proust is not postmodern, he's one of the key figures of modernist literature. Even Virginia Woolf with her stream of consciousness and Joyce are solid modernists. Postmodern lit hits in the 60s and 70s, and is mostly forgotten because it was so bad. One example would be that french faggot who wrote a whole novel without using the letter E, or that brit who wrote a single page over and over in like 50 different accents.

you're just describing oulipo, not postmodern, get your shit together. That's the equivalent of piano studies

>>7678899

Well done, anon, it looks very nice! I do think you could push this to the next level by softening your edges a bit in certain places, since right now every element looks a little bit like a cut-out and pasted on instead of part of the background, the left bird especially. But again, it looks very good across the board.

>>7678899
Nicely done, I like the details on the feathers and rusty nails. The bottom of the fence being so bright takes some focus away from the birds, might wanna darken it a bit. Quick digital paintover, not sure if it helps.

I never really did a painting in two colors before.

>>7678899
Very comfy. Good job!
>>7678989
This is actually a good edit.

Make a new one you animals. Anyways I’m plein air painting

>>7679214
based plain air chad

>>7678987
Thanks. It may be the lighting. Took it at night.

>>7678989
Thanks. The edit is eye-opening. Will definitely tone down the whites, though the photo is also a bit overexposed.

>>7679206
Thanks!

>>7676548
I wonder how do you get rid of it?

>>7679715
based poisoner of many

>>7677482
I love that hatching. Any tips on achieving such a nice look?

I tried my hand at drawing with my dip pen again. Fun, but I feel like I keep fucking it up. But I'll keep trying.

>>7679866
I proceeded to be way too heavy handed with the coloring, tried to salvage it with gouache. I think I maybe should go over to practicing with just one or two colours, or do stuff in monochrome. Any thoughts? would love some feedback or tips on how to improve.

Today's drawing session got cut short because I had to help wrangle a bipolar girl and an insane homeless guy - at the same time. Security job is 99% chill and 1% absolute mayhem.
I guess I'll finish it at home tomorrow.

I baked new bread
>>7680527