Screen or no

>>7662681 (OP)
My ADHD ass would kill itself after using a screen one after a year and seeing it having so many scratches, screenless ones are better in that case.

>>7662681 (OP)
Screenless master race represent

>>7662681 (OP)
>Not using both
NGMI

>>7662681 (OP)
Depends on your money and desk space

>>7662681 (OP)
Screen only if it's like 20+ inch. Otherwise UI bloat is going to be a pain in the ass.

>>7662691
I've had my screen tablet for 5+ years and have put thousands of hours into it, and it's still scratch free. It's really not a concern.

>>7662681 (OP)
I don't use a screen, my style is rough/painterly usually, but I can see it being useful if I had to ink a lot of stuff cleanly/digitally without undo being a constant companion.

my intuos 3 is covered in scratches that sometimes catch the pen nib. and they don't sell replacements anywhere anymore. I replaced it once, should have bough extras...

>>7662723
*replacement surface, not whole tablet

>>7662723
You can't replace them anymore, even contacting Wacom cs will just tell you to get a new one. Why not buy second hand? They're everywhere since most people upgrade to a display

>>7662681 (OP)
Does anyone know how long screen tablets live for? And by live I mean do their screens burn out or do their colors become desaturated over time if you use them intensively? Like maybe 10-12 hours a day every day at maybe half the brightness. Sorry I really don't know how monitors work

>>7662741
Why does it matter? If you're using if for 12 hours a day chances are you're making money and can buy it back.

>>7662746
Idk anon I'd rather not spend more than once every 5 or 10 years on upgrading or replacing if I can help it especially if I buy the giant display, which is why I'd like to know how long I can expect these to last for
>inb4 get screenless it never breaks and a regular monitor is cheap
It's just personal preference...

>>7662729
>Why not buy second hand?
nobody selling it on my island.

>>7662681 (OP)
https://rentry.org/dtg

>>7662779
Go away jeet

>>7662691
>My ADHD ass
>so many scratches

so you wouldn't buy a screen protector? cuz at that point, you aren't ADHD, you're just fuckin retarded.

Put something on the active surface to protect it. The stylus doesn't need direct contact.

>>7662793
>>7662681 (OP)
Only if you're using screenless. Screen protectors on displays pretty much ruin them and makes it harder for the pen pressure to register, even making them skip. Just wipe the screen with a damp microfiber and the light scratches go away? Are you guys seriously drawing with the same pressure as writing on a chalkboard?

>>7662785
I really don't understand all the weird hostility and paranoia that /dtg/ breeds.

I know people here love screenless because of how affordable it is but I couldn't shake the miserable drawing experience with the disconnect. What I ended up doing was going back to paper, saved, then bought a screen. Looking back, I don't think I would improve as quickly as I did if I had to stick to working on the intuos. I'll post work when I get home

>>7662846
Size of the screen?

>>7662681 (OP)
neither.
*blocks your path

>>7662813
Containment center for nodraws, techtards and some sort of mental schizophrenic retard, most of the threads are just replies copy pasted from the archive and if the local schizophrenic doesn't get to make the OP that he's been posting for years straight without changes, he goes on a rampage and /ic/ gets slide thread+bot spammed every single time.

There would literally be no loss to /ic/ if /dtg/ as a whole got banned and people instead asked what tablet they should get in /beg/ or "stupid questions general" instead.

>>7662870
Aaaaand you just responded to the schizo, good one.

>>7662870
Gotcha, surprises me that the janitors haven't done shit yet given how long this has been going on.

>>7662891
They used to, but at some point stopped bothering.
The reality is probably that they've just accepted that having the mentally ill person and low paid advertisers be contained in one single slow moving thread is better than the alternatives.

>>7662868
Oh? You're approaching me?

>>7662681 (OP)
Screenless is cheaper and sturdier. I got an intuos draw for 20 bucks. There are plenty of people who buy one, use it once, find they don't like it and then sell it for cheap.
Display tablets are more expensive, but also more intuitive to draw on. I don't like that my hand is in the way of my drawing though.
I got an S6 Lite and I use it every day. Probably more than I should, I've found that my drawings improve more if I draw properly on paper than the scribbles I produce digitally. The workflow that has yielded my best results has always been sketching on paper - scranning/photographing - touching it up digitally. I find my display tablet more fun to draw on but the results didn't really differ much between me using the display or screenless tablet I have...
One big thing I noticed was that this Samsung tablet is actively destroying my back and posture.
I'd casually recommend drawing on paper and touching things up with a screenless tablet on pc for this reason. But that's just me, maybe you won't share my horrible habits.
Ideally, you should find a way to try out both kinds of tablets. Go to a big tech store or find some artist friends and ask them to let you try out their equipment. I've also been able to try out CSP on 3k tablets at anime conventions. The wacom ceo was at one of them, but I didn't even see him, too busy throwing my money at the artists in artist alley. The big display tablets are still too expensive for me tho
If you live in a tiny village with no big stores, no money for conventions and don't have any artist friends then idk, take your time and look at what's on sale ig

>>7662681 (OP)
my art has significantly improved after I switched to a display tablet
I used a screenless tablet for 3 years and I hope I never have to use one again
If you can, get one that has a display

doesn’t matter. i used each for over a decade, and loved them equally. screen, screenless or physical sketchbook, they all worked precisely the same to me. your brain quickly rewires itself so both you and the circumstantial surface disappear and all that remains is your active markmaking.
>^that’s in general, and how i really feel about this, op.
but if you want a practical answer, google the sort of art you’re interested in making to find the art program best suited to you. dive moderately deeply into figuring out which program would make you happiest. once you know the program, google the best loved tablet or device for working in that program. get that one.
>first time i think i’ve responded to a hardware question and i’m an oldfag, lol.

how do people not kill their own backs and necks with screen tablets and even pen and paper in general

>>7662681 (OP)
Neither

>>7663115
Put it on an easel

>>7663115
Most artists do kill their backs nowadays.
They never should've let artists put paper on horizontal tables.
Much like a canvas stand, you should put your paper in a vertical position. If you don't, the top of your piece will be a lot further away from you than the bottom which distorts your perspective and also your poor back will indeed suffer.
Furthermore, the writing grip that's crossed out in picrel can still be useful for details, but if you're drawing on big paper all day, you should also draw from your arm and use more suitable grips as your main ones. Many artists have suffered from tendonitis or other problems that arise from inflexible, straining postures.
With screenless tablets, you don't have to look down while drawing, meaning that there's at least no distortion there but it'll still feel less intuitive than drawing on real paper.
As for screen tablets... There are tablet holders one should invest in if drawing on such a device.
I've never done any of this, I'm an absolute shrimp now, my back hurts so bad, I desperately need to work out but idk if this is even fixable at this point, this hunchback doesn't go away even if I strain myself to stand up straight please take care y'all, do sports and everything, don't become shrimp like me... My neck pain actually goes over to my arm, my doctor said to fix the wrist pain I also have to work on my back problems, he claimed that I can still be saved but I'm not so sure. The hunchback will probably stay but maybe the pain will get better...

>>7662741
I've had my XP-PEN 22E Pro for over 6 years and half the time I'm just using it as a second monitor, so it's constantly on. I've never had any issues develop.

>>7662691
>so many scratches
It feels like shit, it´s not psychological, you feel as if you were rimming nigger ass but with a stylus
>>7662707
Hey Mr. Shits Money

>>7663115
You just make it vertical like an easel! I have a stand from xencelabs I think that tethers to my desk so I can hang it slightly off desk and make it sit at a 90 degree angle

>>7662681 (OP)
I use a screen tablet because I also do trad. I feel like screenless + trad would fuck me up a lot. You can alleviate back/neck pain issues by propping up your tablet on a desk easel, or use one of those fancy movable desk arms.

>>7662681 (OP)
screenless currently i don't have money for screen tablet would be nice but the prices are way too much.

>>7662681 (OP)
Screenless works for most rendering scenarios, I would usually draw on paper, scan it, then edit it digitally. I came across some money and splurged on a screen tablet, but the only benefit I've seen is just being faster with doing lineart digitally. I honestly don't know how motherfuckers bother learning to draw straight on with the screen when doing it on paper and scanning it in feels faster.
Unless you wanna spoil yourself you can get far with a screen less one

I switched from a screen to a non-screen because I would hunch over and have my eyes 4 inches away whenever I used it. Non-screen has much better ergonomics.

>>7663135
Overhead hangs on one of those doorway pull up bars whenever you enter or exit the room it hangs outside ie bedroom/kitchen/bathroom etc.
Slowly build up to full pull ups but the hangs will help just as much in the beginning.
>t. recovering shrimp supreme

>>7662723
>>7662729
I still have 3 more nibs that came from the original packaging. My intuos 3 is a scratched up too. It feels so good having them its unreal but I wish I could buy the drawing surface replacements

>>7662718
I set one of the shortcut buttons to hiding all UI shit, so that's one way to deal with it

>>7662681 (OP)
And I can confirm what others say, take ergonomics seriously, after only 3 weeks I got tendonitis on my brachoradialis from shit posture using a tablet (luckily easy to recover from)

>>7663077
post work?

>>7662691
How are you scratching glass with a plastic or felt nib? Are you leaving your tablet dirty as shit?
My main tablet I use for 5+ hours a day is still scratch free 3 years later

>>7663386
If only they made stands so your retarded ass didn't have to hunch over. Oh well, guess there's no way around it.

>>7663279
Anon... You don't need a 2k Wacum, a 150$ XPen or Huion is just enough to start with

>>7662681 (OP)

>>7664252
noooo I need to wacoom!
>>7663279
$300-400 will get you a kamvas 22 plus which has lasted me 3 years with no issues so far.

which screen tablets have linux support?

>>7662741
My old XP-Pen tablet I bought in 2020 still works to this day. It's always on whenever my PC is on because I set it up as a second monitor that I can just quickly use it to sketch or draw on

>>7664859
Official? Xppen for sure. Unofficial? All of them.

>>7663279
>Not enough money for a display tablet but a screenless <100$ tablet is really affordable, can go as low as 20$ second-hand if you're really lucky
>>7664252
>but anon, a mere 150$ must be within budget
>>7664833
>noo, pay double that amount, 400$ is super cheap compared to the bajillion dollar tablet
anons...

>>7663369
Thanks for the advice! My grandpa has a pull up bar installed in his room but I've honestly never considered it for myself. I'll look into it!

>>7664934
chink shills do be like that

>>7662741
The backlight dims over time. If you get one that starts out super bright and don't keep it maxed out, it will last longer. You'll at least get a good decade out of it if you take good care of it.

>>7664238
it's the crappy stand that gave me the problems because I needed to lift my arm all the time, maybe look up what the brachoradialis is, retard?

>>7662681 (OP)
Unnecessary if you know what you are doing. A nice bonus tho.
I learned to draw on a tablet that didn't have a screen so I may be biased

>>7662868
now, that's a special kind of retarded.