How do I get better at drawing if my drawings look this shitty? I tried using a reference and everything and it still ended up turning out this shitty. I don't know what else to do.

>>7663721 (OP)
Keep drawing and following the tutorials
Take this from a permabeg

Here's the reference I used.

>>7663736
Improve your observation

>>7663735
My problem is that a lot of the tutorials are too complicated for me and unintuitive. I can't figure them out. I've never seen any artist actually use the divided ball and plane method before.

>>7663748
My boy
I used Loomis
Trust the process
How about you try to fix your line confidence and shapes first before heading into the head tutorials

>>7663756
>How about you try to fix your line confidence and shapes
What tutorial did you follow for that?

>>7663756
I've tried the divided ball and plane method before, but it looked too complicated for me. I can't figure out how to use it for anything other than a front or side view. Using a circle and lines feels better for me.

>>7663761
None I just drew circles and squares and organic shapes in the back of my botebooks

>>7663767
I have an entire notebook of squares that are wrong. I don't even know how to draw a cube properly.

>>7663775
Then you are just simply retarded and no amount of help can save you. Good luck

>>7663777
I have autism, ADHD and a learning disability. There are plenty of artists with my condition. Give me advice to help fix this.

>>7663785
No

>>7663787
Why not? You seemed perfectly ready to give advice before.

>>7663721 (OP)
You need to expand your visual library before you can hope to draw more complex/ accurate abstractions of life.

Set time for studies. Like you notice that your characters lack basic structural integrity - study anatomy and gestural drawing and apply what you've learned in your drawings from imagination.
Next you'll probably notice that some other aspect or your skillset needs to improve. Be it perspective or color the process is the same.

Don't make studying your main goal but don't neglect it either. In the beginner stages the most important thing is to get some mileage. If you're not having fun then you won't be motivated to keep going. So try and identify ways to go about improving that feels fun and exciting to you.

Best of luck :))

>>7663791
What tutorials should I follow? Most of them seem overly complex and I'm not able to follow them.

>>7663785
They're no clear way or advice on fixing your mental issues
We all have to find our own pace
There's no glitch no shortcut to git gud
All the tutorials are there to just give you a flicker on the road
You still have to figure out the road yourself

>>7663797
I've been trying for years and haven't been able to figure it out. I can't even make myself draw for more than thirty seconds before looking at something else most of the time. Thirty second increments is the most I can do.

thinly veiled howie thread please do not engage

>>7663740
What tutorials should I follow? That's the main problem I'm having. Most of the tutorials I can't understand or apply them to what I want to draw.

>>7663797
I've already waited for like 6 years. Do I have to wait any more?

>>7663767

>>7663871
Try harder
They're not circles
Try drawing with your whole arm instead of just the shoulder

>>7663903
My shakiness stops that from working. That never works for me.

>>7663748
>I've never seen any artist actually use the divided ball and plane method before.
That's because the way Art works is that as you git gudder you can do many of the steps "in your mind" without having to put them down on the page. It comes to you with practice or with gorging yourself on observing instruction until its firmly lodged in your mind. Then you gain the ability to simply "remember" how to do things and pre-do them in your head without needing to put it down on the page.

Much of layout tasks are like this. Drawing a circle to position and roughly size the head before you shape it is something that you might learn to do in your mind after enough time. But also this is why some artists are just shit teachers, because they don't really understand how to STOP automatically doing these things. They forgot what being a beginner is like.

>>7663813
Using a tablet pen is more like using a ballpoint than it is a pencil. Here is a basic tutorial on that: https://www.wikihow.com/Hold-a-Pen

Then you need to practice line control. Place 3 dots. Label them
>30
>15
>0
And set a timer for 30 seconds. Press start, and draw a line from the 30 to the 15 to the 0. Your aim is to reach the 15 and 0 at the same time as your timer reaches the 15 and the 0, without stopping the line or forcing it to "wiggle", it should be as smooth as you can manage. Do like 5 of these, then doodle something you like for fun. Then do 5 more if you still have the energy. Switch between vertical and horizontal and diagonal ones.

As it becomes too boring you can change it up by putting the dots in a V-shape instead of a straight line, adding more segments of 15 seconds each (so the first one being 45 instead), or doing both to create longer more complex paths.

PS: Calibrate your tablet by using a ruler to draw a line in your program of choice with the stabilizer off. If it wobbles, increase the stabilizer slightly and draw a new line using a ruler. Repeat until the wobble goes away.

>>7663915
I've been using 100% stabilization on my tablet and I still wiggle too much, even drawing something like a curved line is super difficult for me. Its even worse with pencil and paper. My shakiness fucks me up.

>>7663721 (OP)
You need to draw more still lifes. Especially of fruit.

>>7663920
Having the stabilizer too high can be an actual problem since it disconnects your mind/eye from your hand. You have to do the process I outlined.

Beyond that, do the line control practice I stated.

You WILL fuck it up. But as long as you pay attention it will get better.

Oh, one other tip: Try to keep your eyes just barely ahead of your cursor/pen tip. This may feel weird and can be a struggle but you will get used to it with time, and it immensely helps your control.

>>7663930
My problem is that there's a wobble no matter what method I try or how high I set the stabilizer. I'll try working on pencil and paper and do your outline, but it probably won't be any good. I'm unable to do it right now.

Why does Howie get his own general when I don't?

>>7663921
I don't just want to draw simple objects. I want to draw characters. I don't want to spend a ton of time making drawings of just objects. What's actually going to be demoralizing is drawing simple objects because I'm not good enough at the stuff I actually want to draw.

>>7663949
>I don't want to spend a ton of time
And yet you spent years making threads and not drawing. Less threads, more drawing.

>>7663953
Yeah because I couldn't make myself focus for long enough to actually do any drawing. Now I can, and I'm quickly going nowhere.

>>7663955
Less posts, more drawing.

>>7663721 (OP)
>year after year people are still replying to the howie schizo
all I can do is laugh at this madness

>>7663949
>I don't want to spend a ton of time making drawings of just objects.
You can use anime figurines or similar "entertaining objects" as practice, but your line control is the first thing to work on and it will translate into your character doodles.

>>7663765
That's one thing where you're better than at least a few begs: you refuse to use the wrong tool.
Divided ball and plane is for when you want to draw realistic faces or 1950s-style cartoons (like the old Superman comics). "Moe" anime faces do start with just a circle.
Doing otherwise is like trying to cook a stew while reading a recipe for a beef pie.

>>7663975
How about more traditional adult character cartoon faces or adult anime character faces? Do I use divided ball and plane then?

>>7664022
Draw what you see, you little pre/beg/ shit. At this point you're still using references and you're not making any original work. So learn copying correctly first. There's no divided ball and plane in your reference. So don't draw it.

>>7664029
He can't even copy so that it even resembles the ref after drawing for years. He is beyond saving bro

>>7664033
>after drawing for years
*after NOT drawing for years

>>7664037
That doesn't change my point in the slighest.

>>7664029
That didn't answer my question. How about more traditional adult character cartoon faces or adult anime character faces? Do I use divided ball and plane then?

>>7664050
Draw what you see, you little pre/beg/ shit. At this point you're still using references and you're not making any original work. So learn copying correctly first. There's no divided ball and plane in your reference. So don't draw it.

>>7664054
That didn't answer my question. How about more traditional adult character cartoon faces or adult anime character faces? Do I use divided ball and plane then?

>>7664057
Did I fucking stutter? Learn copying first.

>>7664022
Adult anime probably uses something similar to the divided ball and plane, but you'll have to look that up. "Use the Google, Luke"
I have no idea about contemporary TV cartoons, they're all tough to break down, and many of them have unique styles that don't belong to the same tree as Family Guy.

>>7664057
How are you this dense

>>7663930
Isn't the whole point that to make good lines I have to draw fast?

>>7664069
You can learn to draw fast once you learned how to draw correctly.

>>7664075
Am I doing your exercise with normal pen and paper or on the tablet?

>>7664092
Since you want to draw digital you practice with digital.

>>7663721 (OP)
Idk how you are using the ref but if you look at it, you can see where every line is supposed to go.

>>7664132
Yeah, but I keep fucking it up.

>>7664060
I want to draw the shit that I want to draw.

>>7664164
Do it until you do not fuck up. It's not like you don't have ctrl+Z.

>>7664169
That's all nice and shit but how are you going to draw it when you can't even copy from reference? Copying from your own brain is even harder than copying what is in front of you.

>>7664173
I'm trying to do both and failing it seems like.
>>7664173
Another problem is that I don't know how to get into that flow state when I'm drawing. I can only focus in like 30 second increments.

>>7664170
Okay. How do I get into the flow state like everyone else is able to do when I'm drawing?
>>7664173
How do I make it so that my brain doesn't go all over the place while I'm drawing and I can't even comprehend something simple as drawing hair. I keep fucking up everything I make because I can't think straight. And yes, I'm on medicine.

>>7664173
I'm trying to use both the Loomis method and copying at the same time so I can learn how to do either.

>>7664170
Should I use the Loomis methods while I'm drawing or no?

>>7664189
By doing it every day until it becomes less of a chore.

>>7664207
>>7664199
That's not how it works. Use the "copy the reference exactly as you see it" method.

>>7664189
All you need to do is look at the ref, pick a line and try to draw it. The ref gives you immediate feedback if your line is wrong. If you mess that up, you did it on purpose. You have as long as you need to observe, measure, and ctrl z.

>>7664216
No, I want to learn construction so I can make shit on my own.
>>7664218
I've been trying that, and that's what resulted in the image you saw above. I'm gonna try drawing it again today.

>>7663721 (OP)
Your lines look wobbly and timid. Practice drawing lines and shapes to build confidence here.
You lack cartoon anatomy understanding. Just draw and study from different cartoons until you learn the language.

It doesn't look terrible and if you showed this to people you work with they probably would give you the old "wow I can't even draw stick figures!"

>>7664220
>No, I want to learn construction so I can make shit on my own.
You will not be able to learn anything if you can't draw lines where they're supposed to go. Learn copying first.

>>7664225
If I try this method, I might end up losing my motivation immediately because of my ADHD. I want to just draw what I want.

>>7664233
You're already spending days on copying a reference and you haven't even finished it.
There's no magic shortcuts. Either you do it or you don't. Especially with your brain damage you will have a harder time than anyone else.

>>7664225
My problem is that if I try this method; I'm afraid I'll lose all my motivation immediately because of my ADHD. I want to get good at drawing fast to make up for all the wasted years I've spent not drawing. That's my issue.
>>7664224
Where do I go to find out more? I need guides that aren't overly complex.

>>7664239
My problem is that I can barely make myself, I'm always distracted and can't get into the flow state like everybody else can. That never happens to me.

>>7664249
Not my problem. Go draw more, you lazy shit. Less talking, more drawing. There's no shortcuts.

>>7664250
How do I make myself get into that flow state? I draw for thirty seconds before I get distracted and stop.

>>7663960
You may view it as a positive. At least there's rotation of anons in /ic/ - skilled artists get out of this hellholle and get replaced with new clueless begs. If people recognised howie every time, it would be a sign of stagnation.

>>7664253
Not my problem. Go draw more, you lazy shit. Less talking, more drawing. There's no shortcuts.

>>7664255
How do I make myself get into that flow state? I draw for thirty seconds before I get distracted and stop. I'm directly asking how to make myself draw more.

>>7664257
Not my problem. Go draw more, you lazy shit. Less talking, more drawing. There's no shortcuts.

>>7664259
How do I make myself get into that flow state? I draw for thirty seconds before I get distracted and stop.

>>7663721 (OP)
I don't understand your kind. You're able to write legible text and use the English language. You're using a phone/computer and able to navigate websites and how to post things. Yet, your artwork literally looks like you are 8 years old. Do you struggle in other areas of life? Was school extremely hard for you? Do you rely on caretakers to survive? If you have this much visual difficulty copying simple cartoons - what about driving? Do you dress yourself? What's going on here

>>7664283
I have autism, ADHD and a learning disability along with tremors and thyroid problems.

>"I'm missing a leg and also I'm living in the Mexican jungle. Give me actual advice how I become an Olympic runner!"

>>7664283
And I can't drive either.

https://warosu.org/ic/thread/7491598#p7497899
DO
NOT
INTERACT

>>7664291
There are plenty of people who have my condition and can draw.

>>7664296
Wrong. There are none.

>>7664300
There's plenty. What the fuck are you talking about? Have you seen a single Twitter artist bio?

How the fuck are you still working on this same thing, and how the fuck are you only this far along?

>>7664303
If you're so sure they have the same condition, ask them for advice.

>>7664306
I get distracted constantly, I can only make myself work in 30 second increments even on meds, I can't figure out how the fuck to actually draw what I'm looking at. There's a ton of different reasons.

>>7664253
>>7664249
>>7664164
>>7663793
>>7664092

howie at his finest <3

>>7664308
How about give me advice because that's what the fuck I made this thread for.

>>7664310
>>7664314
I thought there was some hope for you but it seems there isn't.
Yes, you should give up. And they should revoke your internet license. People like you shouldn't be allowed outside or on the internet.

>>7664318
Stop trying to demoralize me. Give me actual advice.

>>7664314
Everyday you get 10x more advice than any aspiring beg yet you always need more. Sad.

>>7664319
Figure it out on your own. Goodbye.

>>7664325
I can't figure it out on my own, which is why I'm asking here.

>>7664319
I would enjoy my neetbucks and watch long-form youtube essays about various topics while slowly working my way through gba/psp/ps1 best titles. Accept you're too retarded to do art. Maybe get obsessed with sonics feet. Art isn't for you. You are too retarded.

>>7664306
>How the fuck are you still working on this same thing, and how the fuck are you only this far along?
SO THEN WHAT THE FUCK DO I DO? HOW DO I MAKE MYSELF DO THIS ANY FASTER?

>>7664330
There are plenty of people with my condition that make great artwork. Give me actual advice.

>>7664335
Name 1 and ill give you the secret guide to drawing nobody has told you yet.

>>7664340
Stop trolling and give actual advice or leave the fucking thread.

>>7663915
I just tried your test. Here's how that went. My shakiness and my bad hand writing shows here.

>>7664353
This was without any stabilizer.

>>7664356
>>7664318
What's the lore behind the fisheye look to these?

>>7664356
I'm literally doing that right now with the OP picture and this >>7664353

>/rbg/ - Retard Babysitting General

>>7664362
Fuck off and get out of my thread if you're not going to offer any advice.

>>7664357
Probably miku monitoring

>>7664363
Single people don't deserve threads. Go to /beg/.

>>7664369
How about give advice since the thread is already here?

>>7664353
Successfully tricked howie into drawing pubic hair. Nice

>>7664384
To me it looks like Trump's signature
wait a sec, there's knocking at my cell door, gonna check it real qui

>>7664363
KILL YOURSELF!!!!!!!!!!

>>7664388
>>7664384
>>7664390

You know, if you engaged with me sincerely and gave actual advice, this could be over much quicker.

>>7664392
Yeah and we'd hit record times if your sorry ass got banned for this self-obsessed bullshit. Alas!

>>7664399
You know, if you engaged with me sincerely and gave actual advice, this could be over much quicker.

Man... I can't spend my last day on this IP playing around with this faggot. Have a good life, Howie.

>>7664402
Why are you larping as someone trying to learn how to draw? Frankly its pretty inconsiderate to actual disabled people who would love to get as much advice as you do.

>>7664408
Translation: I don't understand your problem and I don't want to put in the effort to listen and understand, so I will just create a strawman where I replace your problem with a more common and easily solved one and paint you as morally deficient to feel better about my lack of ability to give advice and be empathetic. Not only that, but I will gaslight you about your condition and gladly push you over the edge into suicide because your very existence causes me butthurt, as it reminds me of my limited understanding of the world and the human psyche. Please, I need you to either shut up or die, so that I can preserve my simple minded conceptualization of a just world where mental illnesses can be solved with a stabilizer and just trying harder.

Okay, so, trying this again. Here's my progress.

HOWIE
SLIDE
THREAD

>>7664461
I'm literally drawing like everyone here wanted me to. Now, nobody is saying anything? Why?

>>7664446
Honestly you're pretty clearly too pre-/beg/ for even construction. You're going to be better off just trying to raw dog a copy to get started

>>7664505
I don't want to have to just copy everything. I want to make things on my own and learn construction.

>>7664512
Yeah but right now you can't construct OR copy

>>7664526
Okay, so what do you call this?

>>7664353
Good. Now do the ruler thing to adjust your stabilizer such that ANY wobble is in your movements, not the tool.

Then do it again.
And again.
And again.
And again. And keep doing it. Try different postural positions and angling of the tablet, try paying attention to how you move your muscles.

When you get tired, draw a doodle. Don't worry about construction or anything, just draw directly. No undos, no erasing- imagine you were drawing in ballpoint pen. It doesn't matter if you think it looks like shit, it's just for fun in the act and to make something exist.

Then do more of the line control practices.

That is all you have to do for the next month. Line control, and doodles. Don't even need to reply here anymore unless you have a S.M.A.R.T. question:
>Specific
>Measurable
>Action-oriented
>Relevant
>Time-bound

IE "How do I get good?" is a bad question. "What are some good tutorials?" is a bad question. "Does anyone have a video tutorial for constructing adult anime heads that is under 5min long or more pictures than words?" is a good question.

>>7664446
Observe here.
First make a circle, then copy the green line as in this picture.
Then copy the red lines.
Try to get the angles as accurate as possible. Observe carefully before and after copying. If you're failing to observe, make a transparent selection of your circle and drag it over the reference image to see if anything is wrong.

>>7664556
I don't want to have to just copy everything. I want to make things on my own and learn construction.
>>7664542
That's too much text. I can't motivate myself enough to read all that.

>>7664367
Excuse me?

>>7664559
Copying in the way I described is a kind of construction. If you learn it, you'll then be able to construct things without a reference.

>>7664556
Bro wtf is that God awful "construction"? You should not be giving advice if you need to use shape and line tools

>>7664556
How should I do this if the picture is from a side or front view for instance?

>>7664559
OP are you medicated? If your ADHD is so bad you can't read for 20 seconds then you are severely fucked in the head. Get some motherfucking medication so you can be somewhat normal. Otherwise you should honestly just end your life. Being you currently sounds worse than torture. I'll stop here before this post gets too long.

>>7664580
Side view or front view, it's always the same process: a circle or oval shape for the outline of the head/face, a line for the eyes, a line for the middle of the face.

>>7664591
OP if you actually want to get good, stop listening to begs like this.

>>7664591
Is the green line the one for the middle of the face?

>I have autism, ADHD, syphilis, no legs, no RAM, a learning disability, and also I'm legally blind.

>>7664585
Yes, I'm on medication. Currently on antidepressants and stimulants along with some thyroid medication. My reading span has gotten longer since I've been adjusting.

>>7664603
Gee, what do you think? Does the green line have a nose on it? Is it between the eyes?

>>7664591
I mean, where would the green line go if it was from a side or front view?

>>7664559
>That's too much text. I can't motivate myself enough to read all that.

do the ruler thing to calibrate your stabilizer

Do the line control exercises, repeat them.
While doing them, pay attention to your posture and how you move your arm and your body.

When you get tired of that, doodle anything you like, for fun. Just no undo or erasing.

Then do more line control practices.

Do that for a month. Only those two. Anything else, treat as a distraction.

-----

Do not ask anything else here in that time frame. Do only those practices and doodles.

>>7664610
I mean, where would the green line go if it was from a side or front view?

>>7664614
It's only meant to define the outline of the face.
In a front view, it would go on both sides of the face, like in pic related. In a side profile view, there would be no green line.

is this the "7 months" spammer? is he STILL fucking going since what, 2018? I know the scribble spammer is still spamming so I imagine it's the same guy
holy shit this site. bots and low functioning autists
I miss old /tg/ so much. It's all ai cancer and chatgpt now
the raiding troons won

>>7664644
What should I do for the ears?

Is he really going to ask about every single step?

>>7664701
just assume it's all bots talking to each other

>>7664701
Yes, because I don't know what I'm doing.

>>7664743
Livestream so we can help in real time.

>>7664701
it's a troll retard

Here's what I've got so far.

>unironically have all of the same problems as Howie with no irony + cerebral damage that causes me difficulties with spatial awareness and mobility
>draw anyway despite sucking and almost never ask for help
of howie was real howie wouldn't still be asking, he'd have accepted his fate

>>7663721 (OP)
what is the problem? You're on the right path.

here is no way to get better without drawing shitty things, just pick something to improve on for your next drawings. But here are some things that helped me

When you reference art, only reference real life bodies. The purpose of referencing as a beginner is to hammer in good habits. You will naturally cartoonify it with your inaccuracies so copying other drawings doesn't really help improve your proportions.

UNLESS you are referencing naked models in anime style. Then you'd be learning better than if you were copying finished pieces that are very specific. For example, drawing this isn't really making you better, but it was for fun and that's improtant too. To draw with the intent of improving, you need to reference useful things.

There is one way referencing finished drawings can help, and its if you try to xerox copy it 1:1. This will train your observation skills. You can see how your drawing has different sizes and angles for things than the reference, if you want to copy it EXACTLY, then you will be training your accuracy. This is good too, but I am assuming you wanted to copy the mood and subject more and that you would have been happy if you drew a slightly different expression or angle. This is very hard to do and is what referencing is for people who already know how to construct bodies.

If you draw for fun, then draw for fun. Stop worrying about the details until after you're done and really want to do better at a particular things.

I'm having trouble with her left eye, am I doing this correctly?

I think I managed to get it down.

>>7664787
you wrote an essay and he just ignores you. fucking lmao

>>7664792
>>7664814
the line down the middle is not a rule, its just one technique to make it easier. If it doesn't make it easier, use different guides. Put lines on the reference image and then try to put the same lines on your circle, do whatever it takes to put the eye on without any trouble, that's the point of these guides.

If you're having trouble, then the fucking lines aren't helping, so you need to put them on the reference and find what makes it easy for you.

>>7664819
Because none of that was useful to me. I don't want to draw real bodies, I want to draw fictional characters. I can't use real life studies for that.

>>7664831
>use different guides
What different guides and what techniques?
>Put lines on the reference image and then try to put the same lines on your circle, do whatever it takes to put the eye on without any trouble, that's the point of these guides.
How do I do this on FireAlpaca?

>>7663813
this isn't something you need a tutorial for, what the actual fuck?
nigger did you need a youtuber to teach you how to think or how to see? I swear you cunts need tutorials for literally the simplest things with the most obvious answers possible because you're too brain rotted to problem solve.
take a look at your drawing, then look at your reference. What looks off?
change what looks off, then go back to step 1.

>>7664837
The problem is that I have to take liberties sometimes because the reference and the drawing aren't going to look exactly the same. And I don't know what to do with those liberties or implement them in a way that still looks good.

>>7664835
try putting another horizontal line under the eyes. The first one is touching the top of the eyes and thats good, so maybe one on the bottom will help you with keeping the size consistent.

>>7664837
I have autism, ADHD, syphilis, no legs, no RAM, a learning disability, five smartphones, and also I'm legally blind

>>7664840
Okay. How do I put the lines on the reference and trace over the reference on FireAlpaca?

>>7664842
forget putting the lines on the reference if you dont have them on the same canvas in the first place

>>7664843
How do I put the lines on the reference and trace over the reference on FireAlpaca? Seriously. Just fucking tell me the technique so I can use it later.

>>7664746
Yeah, I know people want to believe Howie is real, but this guy is clearly trolling.

>>7664839
you have to learn to walk before you can run, grasshopper.
you don't start to take liberties and make up your own shit without understanding fundamentals.
There's a reason basically every famous cartoonist knows how to draw hyper realistic shit as well.

>>7664848
How do I put the lines on the reference and trace over the reference on FireAlpaca? Seriously. Just fucking tell me the technique so I can use it later.

>"Fuck you! Help me or leave my thread!!"
>"Hey... guis.... I am drawing...... why is no one replying...???"

>>7664848
I want to get good fast to make up for all my wasted years that I spent not drawing.

>>7664852
So are you admitting that people come on here just to troll me and not offer any actual advice?

>>7664854
Serious question, do you think it is possible that you are to blame for your inability? Not the trolls, your mental conditions or your living situation. You. Yes or no

>>7664862
I'm asking for advice on how to work the most basic shit in FireAlpaca and people can't even give me answers to that. So, yes. I'm thinking that the trolls are to blame.

>>7664845
I dont know what firealpaca is, if the ref is not on a drawing program then you cant draw over it, so if your ref is on another screen then idk. Its not a big deal anyways, it was just a possible idea

>>7664864
Okay, so then what do I do? I'm trying literally everything you guys are asking me and so far it's done jack shit. I've even put the lines over the eyes like you said and it looks like it's too short.

>>7664863
It's clearly us who are failing here. Because we can't spoonfeed a literal brain damaged retard who could never motivate himself in his life. It's not your fault. It's us.

>>7664867
>Asks for the most basic advice on how to draw
>Anons don't give it and instead troll
>People come into the thread to try and demoralize, not offering up any actual advice
Yeah, I'd say you guys are a pretty big problem.

>>7664869
And yet you still come here.

>>7664863
I asked you a direct question and you can't give me a direct answer?

>>7664872
Yeah. An art board is typically a pretty good place to go for help with art.
>>7664874
I literally answered, yes. You guys are the problem.

>>7664875
And yet we haven't given you ANY useful advice in three years.

>>7664867
I thought we were teaching him wrong as a joke

>>7664877
Every time I get close to getting useful advice, people immediately come in shitting up the threads, trolling and demoralizing me. Which is exactly what happened here, again.

>>7664878
YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO TELL HIM
FUCK YOU
YOU RUINED THE JOKE

>>7664878
>>7664880
>proving my point immediately.

>>7664879
>close to getting useful advice
What does that look like?

>>7664875
>I literally answered, yes. You guys are the problem
I didn't ask you if "we" are the problem, I asked you if you think it is possible that you are to blame for your inability, yes or no. I specifically stated to leave trolls out of the equation.

>>7664881
Fuck off to /beg/. Single people don't deserve their own threads. Especially not a brain damaged retard like you are.

>>7664882
Give me advice that works around the problems that I've stated multiple times affect my ability to draw.
>>7664883
No. I'm not. I've already done all I can to manage my own mental problems.

>>7664885
>Single people don't deserve their own threads
Not against the rules and you don't make them. Tough shit fag.

>>7664887
No.

>>7664887
>I've already done all I can to manage my own mental problems
Again you aren't answering me. Are you sure you aren't the troll here? I said leave the TROLLS and your MENTAL CONDITION out of it. I'm specifically talking about you, your choices and your decision making. Is there a possibility in your mind that you as a person are to blame? Stop bringing up other things. I'm trying to actually get somewhere with you here but I can't if you just get mad or deflect or jerk me around.

>>7664885
I'm posting in /beg/ currently and nobody is giving any advice and trolling.

>>7664892
Then get out of my thread if you aren't willing to give advice.
>>7664893
This is a very loaded question that only seems to be used in the purpose of bringing up more trolling and demoralizing me even further. So, I'm not going to answer it and would instead ask you to give me advice on how to draw.

We're regressing again. Howie will only draw when he gets dopamine starved by no one engaging in endless bickering with him.

>>7664895
>So, I'm not going to answer it
You cannot convince me you aren't trolling. You've all but confirmed that you are trolling. I'm out.

>>7664898
How is me refusing to engage with your lack of ability to give advice trolling?

>>7664866
Looks good to me home whats the problem?

>>7664906
I feel like her eyes aren't the same size and aren't good enough looking.

>>7664906
How about this?

>>7664915
Yeah man those eyes look great, I think you gotta move the chin forward and soften it a bit too, will help everything look more correct

>>7664915
try looking at the reference. it will give you every answer, clear as day if you just look at it

>>7664915
you got it, now try to draw the head again beside it in the same way, and see which guide lines you can skip. That's what drawing is, you have to keep drawing over and over and get better each time.

I get the feeling this painstaking process is going to repeat for every single drawing this guy makes. Closest thing I've seen to moderation here is autistic deletions on the lolifag general.

>>7664919
How do I move the chin? I'm really struggling with that too.

>>7663721 (OP)
Why are lolicon either pre/beg/ or Alke tier when it comes to art?

>>7663721 (OP)
use either Clip Studio Paint or Adobe Photoshop. Those two software are what competent artists use. Don't insist on Fire Alpaca bullcrap.

Okay, so here's what I've got.

>>7664915
Are you using stabilization in your software ?

>>7665527
Yeah, I'm at about 70

>>7665525
How do you even function in day to day life if you're this mentally challenged. You gotta have like room temperature IQ

>>7665531
are you the red tracing crab from yesterday ? ... pyw lel.

>>7665525
>>7665530
This will never not be fucking hilarious. Best thread in the 'log for sure.

>>7664314
just keep spamming this thread and those pictures will draw themselves. FAGGOT!!!!!

>>7665531
>>7665536
How about give actual advice? I'm legitimately trying the hardest I can here and you're all shitting on me. I'm drawing just like you guys wanted.

>>7665539
It's just some mental crab he was shitting on begs yesterday and when asked for correction he traced few lines and he posted his shitty sonic drawing. Literally pay no mind to him and keep working lol.

>>7665539
I'm just here to laugh. I'm eagerly awaiting the two misplaced lines you'll add to HatKidWIP7.png after 4 hours of effort. Carry on.

>>7665541
How about give actual advice?

>>7665542
Put those 2 lines in the right place.

>>7665544
What two lines and where?

>>7665533
I ain't posting shit in your handicapped thread

With every reply Howie gets he postpones drawing the next line because you activated his dopamine receptors

>>7665539
ahahaha. Wait you're serious? Let me laugh even harder AAAAHAHAHAHAHAA oh no no no

>>7665525
Hey man, I liked the eyes better before, in this post >>7664915. The chin looks better now, but you should soften it, from a > shape to more of a ) shape. If you look at your ref image her chin is a gentle curve rather than a typical sharp anime "v" So just make a 2nd layer and try smoothing it out and when you're done, erase the old sharp chin and combine the layers. its okay if it looks like a hack job because this is just a sketch layer

>>7665539
You have people helping you:
>>7665567
>>7665527
>>7664929
>>7664921
>>7664919
>>7664906
Quit responding to trolls and focus on the free help people are giving you. Everything you say to a troll is food to them, they're never going to stop coming back to you if you feed them.

>>7665572
See >>7665561

>>7665585
He won't understand until he finally realizes how much time he's wasted on helping Howie. Let him figure it out on his own. It's the natural /ic/ cycle for newfags, after all.

>>7665572
anon its a sharteen trollop. you should draw instead of bumping this dogshit thread made by an insufferable faggot!

>>7665602
Exposed

I'm having trouble with her hands and fingers.

>>7665751
Dude ignoring getting exposed. Kwab
No more advice for you