With the increase of government regulations all over the world, censorship, and draconian guidelines of payment processors, the not even that far future is shaping up to be a death sentence for artists on the internet. Right now, NSFW art, the most accessible, and for many the only way to make money by doing art is becoming increasably more and more prohibitive, soon we wont even know what we will be allowed to draw. Are we witnessing the end of online artists? Will indipendent internet artists even be able to make money out of their work in the future?

I now understand why the first admin hated Australians so much.

>>7665434
How much you want to bet if most of the shitters that spout out "westerners" aren't aussie and shitskins?

>>7665420 (OP)
Start getting into crypto son. Particularly Monero. Soon it will be the only way.

>>7665444
normal people support and give money to the artists they like as long as it's convinient and easy, and crypto is definetly not that

Anon... coomers always find a way.

Internet, yeah. But you can always open up a shop IRL and sell porn physically, cash payments.

>>7665420 (OP)
yea. the kikes called expressionism artistic freedom too when they were called out as degenerates. and look where that got us

>>7665457
that's going to work out wonderfully

There is no crackdown happening. Steam removed some illegal content from their platform and bongs got a new age verification system that isn't properly working yet.

>>7665550
/thread

>>7665550
the games itch and steam removed weren't illegal, they got removed explicitly because they went against the payment processors terms of agreement, steam added a rule to not go against mastercard and visa ToAs too, and now many websites are not accessible in the UK after the new law went in action, soon the EU will follow.

>>7665550
the same crackdown criteria has largely been applied to patreon, paypal and dl-site as well, but that started happening a couple years ago. The new mastercard and visa power abuse is definitely not stopping at video games. The one thing OP got wrong is calling it government regulation. The shit Visa has been up to is a gross overreach and abuse of power. Visa is not the government and are imposing their own standards which are censoring freedom of expression on a international level.

There is absolutely a crackdown of massive proportions. But the UK stuff is more about undermining online privacy. Banning adult content is only a secondary objective.

Lol, they’ll come for piracy, LGBT, political dissent, and so on.
This is just a start.

all of you are pure ignorants. NSFW has been censored thru human history since the beggining. even after being labeled as inmoral or vulgar, eventually the rich gave up and this isnt any different.

welp, until you realize that WE need an artist good enough that their art alone convince trillionaire companies that naked people sucking dick can be art

>>7665565
>government regulation
that was about the online safety act in the UK and the age verification laws in the EU which are happening in tandem with the Visa and Mastercard shit, just to add insult to the injury

>>7665550
This. People acting like incest rape simulators being removed from steam means big brother is here and porn has been outlawed. There is nothing whinier and more hyperbolic than an incel.

>>7665570
>NSFW has been censored thru human history since the beggining
>naked people sucking dick can be art
you don't seem very knowleadgable about history

>>7665420 (OP)

no, in the long run these type of regulations only encourage the creation of black markets so if there's is someone willing to pay there will be someone willing to do it.

Also, the best way to do NSFW is not to depend on it financially. If you don't depend on it financially, you can draw or do whatever you want for the simple pleasure of doing it without fear of anyone censoring you and when they find you in the worst case scenario you just can come back with another name in another place

>>7665565
>The shit Visa has been up to is a gross overreach and abuse of power. Visa is not the government and are imposing their own standards which are censoring freedom of expression on a international level.
why aren't Visa and Mastercard allowed not to provide a company with their services if/to the extent they don't approve of their content?

Steam fucked up and allowed games that had titles like:
>Incest Tales: Sister And Mom
>Interactive Sex - Mom Son Incest
>Reincarnation in another world going to rape All NPCs VR

>>7665576
>you can draw or do whatever you want for the simple pleasure of doing it without fear of anyone censoring you
that goes without saying, but also making art and being good at it requires a lot of time, a normal person can't afford to spend many hours a day drawing if they don't also make money off of what they draw, and with the increase in censorship it also means that what you're allowed to draw shrinks.

>>7665557
you are convieniently ignoring the fact itch.io removed ALL porn games not just rape incest and abuse. but nobodys asking itch.io about that

>>7665584
none of those games are illegal and should not have been censored, this is just mastercad and visa dictating what can and can not be bought and steam being forced to comply. Based on their guidelines, even just a game recreating the events of game of thrones would be censored.

>>7665584
and youtube allows animal abuse videos to be published for years. none of this has anything to do with Visa or mastercard, or abuse content for that matter. every one of these corporations have been complicit no one bitched about it until now

Reminder that the only people suffering from this are
>"""game devs""" using AI for their visual novel hentai slop which have been spamming steam with relentless slop
>fetishists who want to spam their porn and expose others to their fetishes
>other type of financially invested grifters like nsfw artists only doing it for money
>AI pajeets
>kiddies who can't get free porn
And the only ones winning are
>content creators and drama channels that are farming hard with this and need to keep it alive and want people outraged so they keep watching

Shut the fuck up and stop arguing and parroting youtuber talking points
you're not going to change anything and you are genuinely making it worse

>>7665594
>this is just mastercad and visa dictating what can and can not be bought and steam being forced to comply
they're not obligated to do business with steam if they don't like some of their content

>>7665588
I'm not ignoring it, I think you tagged the wrong pesron? Itch removed all porn games because of the payment processors requests, I'm just saying that togheter with this bullshit that payment processors are doing on their own, goverments are also chiming with their bullshit regulations.

>>7665594
>none of those games are illegal

if thats the only defense you can muster for that shit i can hardly blame anyone who doubts your real intentions when you cry "censorship"

>>7665600
they have a monopoly over everything bought online and have the power to effectively censor whatever they want, undemocratically, this shouldn't be allowed to happen. Payments processors should only process payments and what can and can not be bought should be decided by law, not by a private company (or by a small group of extremists that decided to harrass said companies until they forced the markeplaces to remove whatever they wanted)

>>7665601
Visa only asked steam to delist abuse and exploitation games. why did they demand itch.io different terms than steam?

>>7665434
It's kind of funny, I feel like I haven't seen 'stralians blamed for the bulk of shitposting in a long time now (nowadays it seems to be jeets)

>>7665610
Private company, buddy.
What are you going to do about it?
Take it up with your local lawman if you hate it so much.

>>7665608
I don't believe that just because I think something is disgusting it should be censored, the next time what someone else things is disgusting will be censored, and so on until nothing except the most kid firendly, politically correct art can be allowed to remain

>>7665611
itch doesn't have the resources to check every game, so they did the same thing many other platforms do and carped banned everything that might be potentially a risk, kinda like how pornhub deleted everything not published by verified accounts years ago.

>>7665615
bro we get it you're the epic devil's advocate
if only you had actual arguments instead of pure mental illness and committing every single fallacy

please just shut the fuck up and gtfo my board

>>7665613
yes, I think there should be a law that forced payment processors to accept every legal payment and not only the ones they think are morally acceptable, and also there shouldn't be a duopoly but the market should be free and accessible to other companies too.

>>7665610
>Payments processors should only process payments and what can and can not be bought should be decided by law
so they should be forced to provide their services to anything and everything so long as it's legal - even if in one country it's legal and in another it's illegal? regardless of whether you think Visa, Mastercard, or any other process payment company has "morals", you're saying they should have no say in to whom they provide their services, even if, while perhaps legal, they fundamentally don't approve of the content/business?

>>7665626
>every legal payment
gg
you played yourself

if the payments didn't involve some sort of legal liability for the payment processors, do you really actually genuinely and unironically believe they would give a shit about any morality?

Stop arguing man you can't win this unless you are objective
shut the fuck up already

>>7665628
as long as they hold so much power yes, they should't be allowed to force their morals on other companies, either that or they should be forced to break up, lose the immense power they have over the market and open it to other companies that want to deal with the stuff they don't want to deal with.

>NOOOO THE PRIVATE COMPANY SHOULD DO WHAT I BELIEVE AND BREAK THE LAW OR GIVE UP THEIR POWER
bro this nigga is genuinely fucking retarded or a bot

>>7665632
>if the payments didn't involve some sort of legal liability for the payment processors
they shouldn't be legally responsable for what gets bought, hat's stupid, they should just be forced to cooperate with the police if someone uses them to buy illegal stuff but they shouldn't subsitute the police itself, that's not their role.

>>7665587
>that goes without saying, but also making art and being good at it requires a lot of time, a normal person can't afford to spend many hours a day drawing if they don't also make money off of what they draw, and with the increase in censorship it also means that what you're allowed to draw shrinks.

Yes, that's also true, and that's why I predict that NSFW art will become a side job for even more artists due to censorship but' it's not going to disappear, and you'll have to work on other projects to survive. As for the loss of quality in the medium well these days people are satisfied with anything just to coom and to be honest, it's us artists who often see what's wrong with an illustration and not the public.

>>7665633
forcing a private company to serve all legal business, regardless of risk or values, is its own kind of overreach unless you reclassify them as public utilities. and breaking them up wouldn’t guarantee more freedom: smaller firms are often more cautious. if you want neutral payments, you need real alternatives or structural regulation, not just hoping Visa behaves like a public servant.

>>7665637
Holy shit this trhead is full of retarded mutts. That dude is literally just saying that payment processors shouldn't be a monopoly and shouldn't decide outside of the democratic law what is or isn't ok to be bought with your own money, and you fuckers from the land of the free are actually siding with the trillion dollar companies that are actively censoring stuff, we live in a world when if tomorrow visa and mastercard decide you can't buy anything from a shop, that shop is forced to close, and you're ok with that?

>>7665640
It's because they manage payment transfers that they HAVE to be legally liable for shit, so that they don't wash their hands if they enable criminals to get away with shit.
You retards are genuinely underage, you can't even start to comprehend this shit on a macro scale.
Fuck off please
shut the fuck up

>>7665644
we have the technology to not rely on visa and mastercard for every payment, and in many countries it's already a thing, they shouldn't exist anymore

yeah these threads are just the cryptonftai shills at it again
Get a real job, Ranjeet.

>>7665656
if the current situation is caused not by moralfaggotry by the heads of the pp companies, but because they don't want to risk liability if someone uses them to do illegal stuff then
A- they should be forced to accept every legal payment and not decide to not deal with someone just because they think it's risky
B- there should be a solid, viable alternative to them.

>>7665658
that doesn’t really respond to my point. if you want companies like Visa to act like public utilities, you need to actually restructure the system: either through regulation or real alternatives. just saying “we have the technology” skips over how entrenched they are and how difficult it is to replace them at scale. if your argument is that they shouldn’t exist, that’s a separate conversation, but it doesn’t justify forcing private companies to serve everyone regardless of risk.

>>7665420 (OP)
This shit started because a radical femminist group called visa and mastercard more than a 1000 times until they forced them to ask steam and itch to remove the games they didn't like.

>>7665668
cool so what the fuck do you get out of spamming your opininons on 4chan?
You seem to know, so gtfo my board and go do politics irl, retard

>>7665420 (OP)
I just want to be able to access to rule34 again

>>7665434
>the first
>strayans are a part of history now
m00tykins has been forgotten...

Looks like cash and money orders are back on the table boys
>>7665434
>the first
>strayans are a part of history now
Damn, this is how the new guard refers to m00t? I feel old as shit
>>7665453
>crypto is definetly not that
Yeah, definitely... For reasons we do not fully understandu
>>7665550
>moralfags ignoring the facts that precedents need to be set before more stringent laws can be implemented

>>7665611
>illegal content
They're not illegal. Some Australian feminist had a meltdown because her husband left her for porn (real story) and cried to payment processors to "think of the children"
Also they're pixels, not real people.

>>7665702
meant for >>7665550

>>7665582
what are you talking about? Allowed? They have obviously already done it. We will see if it's allowed. If you can't see the downsides to a duopoly with strong biases clogging up the global economy and artificially disrupting trade and making entire sectors of legal content commercially unviable for no reason then you are special in the head.

Would you cheer if your power company turned off your electricity because they don't like what you type on 4chan when they power your pc? Is it their right to make moral judgements of how you use your electricity?

>>7665702
>Australian feminist had a meltdown because her husband left her for porn (real story) and cried to payment processors to "think of the children"
Is there somewhere I can read more about this?

>>7665708
unironically check the /v/ threads because it effects their games. I'd say /pol/ but discussion is compromised (because of course it is.)
Someone was able to identify the group leader of pic related and found posts detailing how her now ex husband left her because she never put out and he got off to porn instead of her. She also has no children of her own (because of course she doesn't)
I'm not making this up.

>inb4 muh video games
This LITERALLY effects artists too you fucking morons. We've had payment processors attack Fanbox, Pixiv and DSlite years ago, it's just now we see the slippery slope catching up to other peoples hobbies.

>>7665453
>normal people
No point in appealing to normies. Fuck them.
>>7665550
>""illegal content""
Thirdworld shithole dwellers need not apply, do not export your braindead mentality to the rest of the world, we don't want it.

>>7665565
It's a fucking power reversal. Because Visa and MC want thirdies to be enslaved to credit, they are providing limits at the behest of every crappy country with dictatorial abridges of freedom.

>>7665576
>Also, the best way to do NSFW is not to depend on it financially. If you don't depend on it financially, you can draw or do whatever you want for the simple pleasure of doing it without fear of anyone censoring you and when they find you in the worst case scenario you just can come back with another name in another place
Unless you completely self-host, they will go after the hosting companies too. Which is probably what happened with e621.

>>7665610
>Payments processors should only process payments
No government wants this, they want to be able to use them to spy on the populace.

>>7665719
>effects artists too
they deleted my visual novel from just because there's a scene of hypnosis in it

>>7665672
>>7665702
>>7665708
>>7665719
All Collective Shout did was effectively do the same shit as some retards reporting inflation or giantess art of Asuka or Yoko to deviantart.

Visa and MC are ALREADY HOSTILE to a lot of NSFW content, because they are making an effort to show good faith towards laws in countries like india (that bans porn), indonesia (that bans porn), and various other shitholes that screech at foreign companies when it's politically convenient.

>>7665610
honestly I find it absurd that in the day and age of digitalized transactions, payment processors are still fully in the hands of private companies

>>7665696
>this is how the new guard refers to m00t?
/ic/ is filled to the brim with newfags/tw*ttertards.
Just imagine if exif metadata doesn't get removed kek

>>7665728
>hypnosis
I find the rule against hypnosis especially funny, it's not like someone could actually emulate it and hypnotize someone in real life with to a magical app or a swinging pendulum lmao

>>7665733
Why the FUCK do you think crypto exists? It's not because of fucking investment gamblers and people looking for a way to scam others, it's because of the fucking expansion of the surveilance state during the 80s, 90s, and the overreach of the PATRIOT act and Operation Chokepoint.

Literally made by the faction of tech dudes who majorly boosted shit like linux and encryption, as part of fighting the same shit the EFF does.

>>7665737
in the UK it's against the law to show magicians "hypnotizing" people in television because they think people can get hypnotized by watching it too

>>7665705
while indicative in form, the question was obviously meant in a subjunctive sense ("why *shouldn't* they be allowed..."). anyways, you're comparing a payment processor to a power company, but that analogy doesn't really hold. electricity is a public utility - heavily regulated and granted monopoly status because it's essential and irreplaceable. Visa and Mastercard, for all their reach, are still private companies operating in a competitive financial market - albeit one that's badly in need of reform. if the argument is that they should be treated like utilities, fine, but then say so and advocate for that regulatory shift. otherwise, you're just demanding the privileges of a public system without the structure to support it.

>>7665739
cryptos would be cool if they were easy to use, you could actually buy things with them, and didn't turn into just a digital asset to gamble with, also cryptobros ruined their reputation.

>>7665732
It's not my fucking problem some shithole country wants to censor content that's LEGAL in my country.
Just because they want to play globalist with what I want to LEGALLY spend my money on, doesn't change the fact that it's anti consumer practice and people are already asking for your monopoly to be broken up.

>>7665732
>good faith towards laws in countries like india (that bans porn
Interesting how VISA and Mastercard draw the line at boobs and don't pressure that shithole into criminalizing marital rape.
Jeets rape their wives with 0 repercussions whatsoever yet the issue is drawings with some skin?
Very interesting.

The "fastest" way to solve this all would involve recolonizing the third world and forcing them to have laws and constitutions that support freedom of expression. That will never happen though, especially since the call is often coming from inside the house on the east side of the atlantic.

Europeans have been deluded into thinking that having no absolute freedom of speech enshrined as a limitation of their governments is somehow better. This is their consequences of that retardation, and the fact that this is all done via DEMOCRACY means that the sensible people are still getting stomped on because the normies are being told by the psychopaths in control that it's "good and normal".

>>7665748
The EU is just as if not more corrupt and authoritarian than the US. They only oppose american companies. They would be quiet as shit if Visa or MC moved their HQ to the EU.

>>7665753
>Jeets rape their wives with 0 repercussions whatsoever yet the issue is drawings with some skin?
So fucking funny the first google result leads you to rape crisis in England and Wales.
Holy fucking shit.

>>7665702
weak bait

>>7665753
>and don't pressure that shithole into criminalizing marital rape
Anon they only do things that increase shareholder value. They can't get pajeets on credit if they get kicked out. It's like asking a client when he's going to stop beating his children.

>>7665764
Kicking a billion and a half worth of scammers is a major win in everyone's playbook.
It would save humanity centuries of misery.

>>7665767
If the data says misery increases shareholder value they will do it. If the data says joy increases shareholder value they will do it. If the data says curing cancer increases shareholder value they will do it. If the data says nuking newfoundland increases shareholder value they will do it.

Are you starting to understand?
Everyone is afraid of fucking AGI but we already have companies who operate as if they're robotic because THE LAW dictates that they must and enshrines the legal fiction of collective ownership and limited liability.

>>7665777
>If the data says
A mangione style data reset can speak louder than this bs,
Remember ultimately it is greed that leads them, as long as they are human, they also feel fear.
Just gotta remind them customers always coom first.

>>7665783
Won't do shit because all of this garbage is caused by the fact that a huge portion of shareholders in everything is a representation of the collective will of literally everyone with a 401k or investment in an index fund. That's what state street, vanguard, and fucking blackrock are.

You know how HOAs are built to "preserve home values" and how ugly ass millenial grey architecture keeps being chosen over nicer shit, to make sure it has resale value? It's the droplets of that fucking impulse distilled out of a huge number of people via their retirement planning and then directed like a firehose at basically anything that shows growth.

So your Mangione solution is actually a chudjack billions must die one.

>>7665763
Collective Shout openly admits to this.

>>7665790
>Won't do shit because all of this garbage is caused by the fact that a huge portion of shareholders in everything is a representation of the collective will of literally everyone with a 401k or investment in an index fund. That's what state street, vanguard, and fucking blackrock are.
Lmao, remind me how did banning alcohol work in the 20s?
Banning and enforcing the ban are completely different things, no matter how big the retard is they can't wipe out market demand.
Someone else eventually dirties his hands and makes collective shout's work worthless,
They can disregard life threats? Ok.
Can they disregard consistent cash flows bypassing their moronic policies?
We shall see.

>>7665803
They claim responsibility for it because they want to seem influential but all they did was act as a narc. If this NGO that nobody has heard of was able to find all this "degeneracy" then that means some investigatory committee by some turdworld country will be able to do it just as easily. And thus, the risk has been elevated and the hammer comes down.

>>7665804
The only way around this shit presently is by declining to use the big four credit companies, which ranges from severely straining to impossible for americans at this point. People from other countries kind of can but it's very difficult, and the big four are gobbling up credit networks monthly. There are massive regulatory hurdles in place to creating an alternative card system. And if a merchant (which can include a hosting provider or other services you RELY on) takes the big four, they are STILL SUBJECT TO THEIR DEMANDS.

The only alternative is crypto, but it's still waiting on someone to at minimum make a grocery service that accepts crypto and is competitive with shit like instacart.

>>7665621
>doesn't have the resources

itch never claimed that. dont you think they'd take that more seriously than a "carpet bomb" when we're talking about peoples livelihoods?

>>7665850
I just made an assumption, I don't believe itch was against porn games a payment procerros just force their hand, the fact that they removed games that people have paid for from everyone's library and now you can't even get the money back is shitty though.

>"either allocate resources to check if anyone is uploading cp if you can't comply you can't use our services anymore because we must comply with the laws and regulations"
>lots of retards scream about censorship as if it will magically change the laws that are there
real, when it isn't censorship in the slightest
really makes you wonder who is behind the anti-payment processor psyop.

>>7665973
>anti-payment processor psyop
You are either a bot yourself or getting paid to try and damage control

If you're sucking banker cock for free, you are lower than whale shit.

>>7665973
>anti-payment processor psyop
Lol

How everything is worded as if pretending to be reasonable but making unreasonable, shallow, ignorant arguments always followed by either some emotionally charged statements like
>"they shouldn't do that"
>"this is censorship"
when anyone with half a brain can figure out why they can do that and why they must; really makes you wonder why if payment processors are so wrong that it warrants these relentless shill tactics.
Also more suspicious that one anon has been practically spamming the same talking points for a whole week now.

>>7665988
>People outraged about being moral-policed by faceless unelected and unaccountable corporations
>shill tactics

Post nose. Post your fucking nose.

>>7665992
>spreading more emotionally charged misinformation
>doesn't like being called a shill
Sorry, autism. I am practically immune to propaganda and bullshit.

>>7665611
>why did they demand itch.io different terms than steam?
Because itch.io can't fight back as much as steam, and must bend the knee when asked like a good little platform or effectively get shut down.

>>7665988
I don't like the third world being able to de facto rule over me purely because we have a fucking government-imposed pseudomonopoly on the ability to get paid.

Sure shit on the people who are so braindead that they believe that some tiny radical feminist and religious groups have the ability to influence corporations that manage to rake in trillions of dollars a year. But acting like they aren't WILLINGLY submitting to the more-restrictive laws outside of their home country's jurisdiction, all in the service of increasing shareholder value, is equally as asinine.

Any platform can retain their hosting of 18+ content, now they just have to do what they should have done from the beginning and actually check the adult content that's being posted, and surprise surprise, because it would cost money they simply dropped adult content.
>>7666007
If the payment processors didn't already want to do it, they wouldn't have used the feminist group as a scapegoat.
It's still not censorship, it's about not getting fucked by the government or losing investor money for enabling the purchasing and selling of illegal material, so the sensible thing to do is to cut all the hydras heads at once.
It isn't that difficult to figure out.
Stop believing companies are people.

>>7665741
There are old books researching the topic and even those say the participant must be willing and it's more of autosuggestion thing.

>>7666012
You have to be fucking indian.
>"illegal material"
Gee, I wonder why you're using that phrase and not CSEM? Could it be because you're from a country that bans more than the minimum and you agree with that? Fuck off.
Your ESL brain also somehow interpreted what I said as "treating companies as people" when I'm quite clearly stating that public companies, especially ones above a certain size, are soulless, data-driven engines designed to generate shareholder profit and nothing else.

Once again: I do not want third world shitholes de facto imposing their rules onto the rest of us via card systems. Your moral frameworks are bankrupt shams and you believe that "ethical behavior" means sucking up to whatever families have power.

>>7665649
That's what freedom is all about, ya commie.

>>7665719
WELLLLLLLLL!
Kyle's Mom's a bitch, she's a big fat bitch, she's the fattest bitch in the whole wide world, a big KAMEHAMEHA BI-YATCH!

>>7665420 (OP)
Well I think it's based because I haven't been able to money off of my NSFW works, so no one should.

>>7666034
Illegal material regarding porn can also be amateur recordings such as someone recording their sex partner without their consent i.e. through hidden cameras, actual rape, drunken sex recordings which fall into the non-consensual, not only csem.
But very telling that you read one word and have an instant spergout.

I just told you that you should stop believing companies make decisions based on morality or beliefs or ethics because all the investors and CEOs care for is their bottom line, not your shitty taste.
Not a single business survives on morality the mood swings of the CEO.
If there wasn't a financial risk, they wouldn't have pulled this move.
Still isn't censorship.

tbqh seeing trannies and grifters seethe into oblivion and do nothing but cope because they got mogged by some dry cunt is probably the funniest shit that's happened in the last decade

You can't stop blaming any single thing you can come up with based on your own mood swings. It's so miserable and pathetic
lmao

>>7665420 (OP)
>the myth of artistic freedom
not being able to host your porn game on Steam or Itch.io doesn't mean you can't make it at all or host it elsewhere. and none of them have to let you host it anyways. these platitudes are always so disingenuous.

they're just crying because they can't make money off of it
you just know these are the type of hustling thrid world shitskins ai should have already filtered out
now they cannot actually make any money anymore

fucking glorious

>OH NOO NOW THAT THE SHITHOLES CANNOT MAKE MONEY ANYMORE AND THE WEST WILL RESUME NORMALLY IN A COUPLE WEEKS I CAN ASK FOR ACTUAL LIVEABLE PRICES FOR MY WORK INSTEAD OF BEING UNDERCUT BY UNDERAGE NIGGERS LIVING AMONGST ORANGUTANS IN THE RAIN FOREST AND AI SLOPPING STREET SHITTERS
oh no the censorship!

>>7666066
>More ESL coping
At no point did I say that companies give a fuck about morality and I even outlined they don't. You're a fucking retard without basic reading comprehension.

Also, illegal material is already handled via takedowns and reporting of the uploader to law enforcement. They're not fucking responsible for user content as long as they respond to reports in a timely manner.

>>7666091
The problem isn't "itch or steam" it's the fucking credit companies.

>>7666094
>>7666099
Retards. This is CAUSED by turdworlders having access to Visa and MC. Their countries ban tons of content already. Making pornography is illegal in india. Fuck you can go report any indian accounts sharing porn or NSFW AI crap or whatever to their authorities and potentially get them arrested!

>>7666129
Anon, it's you who can't read and lacks a lot of information probably that's why you are unable to answer like a normal person.
And maybe you should remove your emotions from the discussions.

Like my nigga, you thinking it's the third world and their laws is so fucking cute.
First day on /pol/? Or did a youtuber give you that opinion?
Maybe posting your work would make us understand

it's absurd that a couple of companies hold so much power they can censor whatever they want worldwide, because platforms can't do anything but comply to their rules. They hold as much power as the fucking government, without being elected.

>Also, illegal material is already handled via takedowns and reporting of the uploader to law enforcement. They're not fucking responsible for user content as long as they respond to reports in a timely manner.
Omg you are so right.
Why aren't visa and mc employees just reading the transaction's invoices where it's written it's illegal material.
Holy shit this Anon just solved crime.

>>7666129
>They're not fucking responsible for user content as long as they respond to reports in a timely manner.
nta, but that kind of liability protection mostly applies to hosting platforms, not payment processors like Visa or Mastercard. they’re not shielded the same way under laws like Section 230, since they’re not just intermediaries for content: they’re part of the financial system, and they have to answer to banks, regulators, and fraud prevention policies. so even if they’re not legally “responsible” for the content, they can still face huge financial and reputational risks if it looks like they’re enabling illegal or borderline material. that’s why they often take a “better safe than sorry” approach and cut off services even for stuff that isn’t outright illegal. it’s not really about waiting for reports and taking down content, it’s about protecting their brand and avoiding regulatory blowback.

>>7666099
Why are you always thinking about children?

>>7666158
Because reading your retarded opinions and absolutely lack of knowledge on how shit works only makes one assume you're not 18

>>7666162
So what, in >>7666099 you're quoting the underage nigger living amongst orangutans?

retards really think criminals pay and buy shit like
>yes hello fellow criminal, i would like to purchase illegal material
>very nice fellow criminal, i will sell illegal material to you just make sure to write it down what the illegal material is so i can pay my taxes

>>7666164
>bot can't into association
is your circuitry ass tryna banter or is you having a stroke?

>>7666178
More like you can't into individuation.
Do you want to answer my question again?

>>7665803
>inb4 right wingers will look at this and shout "the leftists!"

>>7666147
>Like my nigga, you thinking it's the third world and their laws
In order to operate in india and other shitholes, they must comply with their laws. The goal is to boost share value by constantly growing, and they're pushing towards trying to get as many people in the "global south" on credit, as possible to do this. They do not want to deal with getting kicked out after establishing a foothold by being able to be scapegoated.

THIS is how credit networks work. They have opaque as hell rules because they are intentionally trying to comply with over a hundred different legal systems at once. They do not like to do this because it's costly. If there was no legal risk they would be happier. But there is, so they comply, and as a result everyone in the first world has the incoherent contradictory morality of the third world imposed on them via card rules:

https://bsky.app/profile/centralbanker.bsky.social/post/3lrqketsvdk2o

>>7666154
You are on 4chan, where CSEM posters get reported to the FBI all the time. It's not hard.

>>7666157
Yes I'm aware of that. That happens in part because of shit like the PATRIOT act, FOSTA-SESTA, and this crap: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Choke_Point
Forcing banks and card networks to act as non-government eyes for law enforcement.
That + the equivalents in other countries, many of which are kangaroo court levels of retarded.

Europoors are almost as bad as thirdworlders with their "But the government has to do something about it!!" stance on everything. If the past few days haven't convinced them that governments are just groups of violent thugs who have an unsubstantiated claim over the unique ability abridge others' rights, then they're in for a big surprise!

>>7666186
More like you're showing off that double digit IQ.

>>7666200
I know very well that you wouldn't dish out insults that wouldn't hurt you.

>>7666199
>ITS LE INDIANS BECAUSE... BECAUSE IT JUST IS OK
>source; bluesky post
lmao get the fuck outta here

it's over jewboy
go cry about how it's anudda shoah

>>7665420 (OP)
TOTAL COOMER DEATH

>>7666206
Can the voices in your head also give me the winning lottery numbers?

>>7666209
I'm sorry you got molested.

>be adult industry
>be a constant problem for everyone, especially governments and banks
>cry when you get what you fucking deserve and blame everyone but your own

>>7666207
>Implying it's JUST indians
>Implying the bsky post is a single post and not an entire goddamn thread outlining everything with quotes and screenshots of how this shit works
Africa and the rest of Asia are part of it too, pajeet.

>>7666219
Sorry, I don't speak collectivist. Please list, by name, the specific individuals and the specific problems they have each caused.

>>7666199
>Yes I'm aware of that
if you are, and acknowledge the governmental and regulatory pressure these card networks are under, then that sort of undermines the idea that they’re just neutral actors who only need to worry about responding to content reports. the kind of preemptive restriction we’re seeing from them is their response to that pressure. so it's not really about whether they're "responsible for user content", it's that they're treated as if they are, or at least held accountable by proxy, which is enough to make them act preemptively
>rights
unless you believe in some sort of natural rights, "rights" are fundamentally what the big guys decide to give you or allow you to do. and if that's the case, one group's decision is no less objectively substantiated than another's.

>blusky post by an actual schizo
>PLEASE TAKE IT SERIOUSLY OR YOU ARE A PAJEET THAT NEEDS TO GIVE ME AN OFFICIAL LIST SIGNED BY THE PRESIDENT OR YOURE A COLECCTIONIST
Nigger do you want me to hack into CIA databases and tell you how to commit crime and fraud just so you can ignore everything and keep seething about fuck all meanwhile your source is literally fucking nothing?

lmao this shit is too funny man
Has it ever worked?

>AAAAH FUCKING INDIANS GETTING MY LOLIPORN BANNED BECAUSE THE INDIAN FINANCE SCAMMER ON SHITSKY TOLD ME SO

>>7666235
>if you are, and acknowledge the governmental and regulatory pressure these card networks are under, then that sort of undermines the idea that they’re just neutral actors who only need to worry about responding to content reports. the kind of preemptive restriction we’re seeing from them is their response to that pressure. so it's not really about whether they're "responsible for user content", it's that they're treated as if they are, or at least held accountable by proxy, which is enough to make them act preemptively
Yes however we have seen an uptick in restrictions within the past decade, this is a combination of the shit you listed AND the other things AND because porn is inherently high risk due to chargebacks.
If it was just the last bit, you could compensate for it with paying a bit higher fees.
If it was the 2nd, pretty much the same albiet even higher ones - and as we saw with patreon back in the middle of the 2010s, this cut into the margins of a lot of people too much for their liking.

The expansion into the third world pretty much started in the middle of the last decade with this race to get a shitload of people online. Facebook had a program where they were just GIVING phones and internet service away to millions of indians. Growth, growth, and more growth is the name of the game for boosting stock values in the absolute cheapest way possible.

>unless you believe in some sort of natural rights
Yes. Property rights. Anything else is a contradiction and is ultimately just might-makes-right, not a coherent ethical system.

>>7666241
They ban period blood because they ban all blood. Retard.

>NO SAAR THEY BAN ALL BLOODY BLOODY SAAR BLEAS REDEEM THE CENSORSHIP SAAR BLEASE!

>>7666195
The other side isn't exactly known for their free speech or artistic expression if the graphite drawing looks too young.
>>7666157
>protecting their brand
>people hate them and normies who were otherwise completely oblivious are now asking for these companies to be broken up
Bold move Cotton. Let's see how this plays out.
There's also liability of consumer protections. If I can't legally purchase content that would have been legally purchased had they not stepped in, What alternative is there? You can't just open another payment processor. These arguments are circular. If they as a "brand" don't care about consumer backlash now, then what the fuck was the point then?

>>7666250
You're in every one of these threads doing nothing but tonguing the asshole of corporations and governments, making no actual substantial claims of your own - what do you gain from it?

>you can't just open up a payment processor
You can.
But companies don't do it because there is too much risk involved and there is no incentive for them.

I can bet you any amount of money that if someone who has all the money in the world and is pro-porn, anti-censorship and doesn't give a shit about morality, he will eventually figure out it's best to not let the adult industry transact free.

>NOOO BLOODY SAAR UR IN EBERY THREAD SAAR STOP NOT AGREEING WITH ME BLOODY! REDEEM THE SHILLING SAAAAAR!!!
i see bs i laugh at you
breddy simperu

btw everyone you're replying to is me

>>7666268
>has no substantial arguments and is just here to shit up the board
You know Murrlogic copes for his poverty with his weird wonderbread art. Maybe you should find something that gives you real meaning instead of a false sense of status.

>>7665487
Hate to be that guy but that's literally what happens in japan.

>>7666012
>Any platform can retain their hosting of 18+ content, now they just have to do what they should have done from the beginning and actually check the adult content that's being posted
True bro just like Wikipedia bro you should verify to see pages like penis and tianmen square

>>7666243
>Yes however we have seen an uptick in restrictions within the past decade, this is a combination of the shit you listed AND the other things AND because porn is inherently high risk due to chargebacks. If it was just the last bit, you could compensate for it with paying a bit higher fees. If it was the 2nd, pretty much the same albiet even higher ones - and as we saw with patreon back in the middle of the 2010s, this cut into the margins of a lot of people too much for their liking. The expansion into the third world pretty much started in the middle of the last decade with this race to get a shitload of people online. Facebook had a program where they were just GIVING phones and internet service away to millions of indians. Growth, growth, and more growth is the name of the game for boosting stock values in the absolute cheapest way possible.
don't disagree that it involves a handful of different factors - chargebacks, growth strategy, investor expectations, and regulatory capture - but all of that just adds weight to the concern, not excuses it. when every institutional pressure (financial, legal, market-driven) pushes in the same direction - that is, toward narrower cultural control - you end up with informal censorship, even without a single puppetmaster pulling the strings. the fact that it’s not just FOSTA-SESTA or just moral panic doesn’t make it less concerning, rather it makes it harder to resist or even see clearly.
>Yes. Property rights. Anything else is a contradiction and is ultimately just might-makes-right, not a coherent ethical system.
if your “right” to property isn’t protected by force (state, private security, whatever), it’s just a preference. and if the system enforcing property rights also restricts speech or association through control of infrastructure, then your “rights” are only as secure as the framework that acknowledges them.

>>7666273
>shit up the board
the pot calling the kettle a nigger
classic

all me btw

>>7666251
>Bold move Cotton. Let's see how this plays out.
>There's also liability of consumer protections. If I can't legally purchase content that would have been legally purchased had they not stepped in, What alternative is there? You can't just open another payment processor. These arguments are circular. If they as a "brand" don't care about consumer backlash now, then what the fuck was the point then?
it’s not a circular argument: it’s an explanation of incentives, not a moral justification. when I say Visa’s protecting its brand, I don’t mean “they’re doing the smart thing to stay popular.” I mean they’re minimizing upstream risk: avoiding chargeback exposure, fines, or pressure from regulators, banks, and shareholders. whether or not the public likes them is secondary. in fact, it’s part of the problem: because consumer backlash often doesn’t outweigh the institutional incentives driving their behavior. and you’re right, people can’t just spin up a new payment network, that's exactly why this kind of informal censorship is concerning. if the only players allowed in the game are the ones that bow to pressure (whether moral, regulatory, or financial), then your legal "rights" to access content don’t matter if there’s no way to pay for it.

>>7666274
It happens everywhere but that isn't a solution when your customers are scattered across the country or globe.

This all comes down to the fact that the internet is this amazing piece of tech that allows people to find community outside their local area for ANY topic. It completely disempowers both the petty tyrants of social circles and towns, and threatens full on iron-fisted governments. Those people HATE this. They hate it so much. They want control, and they want to be able to look at someone they don't like and beat them into the ground - socially, economically, or phyiscally - until they conform.

>>7666278
>rather it makes it harder to resist or even see clearly.
I think we are on the same page. I have no solution besides "use crypto I guess? lol" because there's nothing that can be done on the 1st world side to restrain this. In many ways, it's all working as intended.
>your “rights” are only as secure as the framework that acknowledges them
Property rights exist whether or not they are enforced, and individuals can enforce their own rights. All that you have described is just violations of rights. The effectiveness of this doesn't change that the right exists and a coherent, non-contradictory ethical system can be derived from it. This is me making an argument about ethics, as in, what is just.
When I say
>governments are just groups of violent thugs who have an unsubstantiated claim over the unique ability abridge others' rights
I am making an argument that they are in fact unjust institutions REGARDLESS of how many people unthinkingly support them.

>>7666286
>Saar look i learned inspect element
Really making the case for yourself there, aren't you?

>so absolutely btfo he is starting to cope

>>7666305
>Property rights exist whether or not they are enforced
>they are in fact unjust institutions REGARDLESS of how many people unthinkingly support them
says what?

>>7666317
>existence of property rights
Every single other system of ethics is contradictory, and thus can be logically concluded as false.
>unjust institutions
Aggressing upon peaceful people is unjust. The people within the state aggress upon other, peaceful humans, violently accosting them and violating their own property rights over their person or possessions, in order to get them to comply against their will. These actions and processes are (typically) codified in laws, but there is no way to coherently justify this. The laws are thus unjust, and the existence of said institutions that are created from them also are unjust by extension. Anything that's unethical for one person to do, is unethical for ALL people to do.

>>7665637
>>7666208
>>7666219
>>7666250

Shouldn't you all be busy bitching about the price of eggs?

>>7666342
Joke's on you, I don't eat, i feed on your misery.

>>7665973
Kek. Stop farming for (You)'s

>>7665988
I'm a grown ass adult I'm not letting some snobby Australian feminist tell me what games I should be allowed to play

you keep giving them to me
how is it my fault?

>>7666332
>Every single other system of ethics is contradictory, and thus can be logically concluded as false.
an internally coherent ethic doesn't mean it has absolute grounding. it's also a false dilemma, as if one of the multiple options must be true.
>Aggressing upon peaceful people is unjust
again, says what? you just keep making assertions without an actual argument.
>but there is no way to coherently justify this
again, a false dilemma. even assuming that there was no objective justification, it wouldn't then follow necessarily that the curtailment of certain actions and material goods was unjust: an alternative is that these things just are, there's no just OR unjust.

>>7665420 (OP)
Personally i do not buy any nsfw stuff off the internet. I do not care and i think it's for the better. If i wanted money that badly i would get a job instead of trying to get nsfw comms

>>7666343
A predictable reply from a predictable Anon. Just don't start crying when they inevitably decide to come for your creature comfort(s) because someone who disagreed with your way of life found them "offensive".

>>7666355
Read the forward of this, it answers your contentions and thoroughly deconstructs the incoherence of might makes right, social contract theory, etc. and makes a strong case for natural rights: https://stephankinsella.com/wp-content/uploads/lffs/kinsella_lffs_3d_printing_mar_2025.pdf

The relevant section of it is too long to paste here but it starts with
>Natural law and rights theorists contend that the principles of just human conduct can be discovered from the study of human nature. On the one hand, such study reveals that humans are endowed with reason, as manifested by the indisputable fact that they can speak and communicate with one another, from person to person, in a common language. On the other hand, this study shows that humans are also actors (and in combination then: reasonable actors). Speaking and communicating itself are purposeful activities directed at a goal. Yet even if and when we are not speaking or communicating but do things silently, we are still acting and cannot but act as long as we are not asleep, comatose or dead.