Thread 7665420

With the increase of government regulations all over the world, censorship, and draconian guidelines of payment processors, the not even that far future is shaping up to be a death sentence for artists on the internet. Right now, NSFW art, the most accessible, and for many the only way to make money by doing art is becoming increasably more and more prohibitive, soon we wont even know what we will be allowed to draw. Are we witnessing the end of online artists? Will indipendent internet artists even be able to make money out of their work in the future?

I now understand why the first admin hated Australians so much.

>>7665434
How much you want to bet if most of the shitters that spout out "westerners" aren't aussie and shitskins?

>>7665420 (OP)
Start getting into crypto son. Particularly Monero. Soon it will be the only way.

>>7665444
normal people support and give money to the artists they like as long as it's convinient and easy, and crypto is definetly not that

Anon... coomers always find a way.

Internet, yeah. But you can always open up a shop IRL and sell porn physically, cash payments.

>>7665420 (OP)
yea. the kikes called expressionism artistic freedom too when they were called out as degenerates. and look where that got us

>>7665457
that's going to work out wonderfully

There is no crackdown happening. Steam removed some illegal content from their platform and bongs got a new age verification system that isn't properly working yet.

>>7665550
/thread

>>7665550
the games itch and steam removed weren't illegal, they got removed explicitly because they went against the payment processors terms of agreement, steam added a rule to not go against mastercard and visa ToAs too, and now many websites are not accessible in the UK after the new law went in action, soon the EU will follow.

>>7665550
the same crackdown criteria has largely been applied to patreon, paypal and dl-site as well, but that started happening a couple years ago. The new mastercard and visa power abuse is definitely not stopping at video games. The one thing OP got wrong is calling it government regulation. The shit Visa has been up to is a gross overreach and abuse of power. Visa is not the government and are imposing their own standards which are censoring freedom of expression on a international level.

There is absolutely a crackdown of massive proportions. But the UK stuff is more about undermining online privacy. Banning adult content is only a secondary objective.

Lol, they’ll come for piracy, LGBT, political dissent, and so on.
This is just a start.

all of you are pure ignorants. NSFW has been censored thru human history since the beggining. even after being labeled as inmoral or vulgar, eventually the rich gave up and this isnt any different.

welp, until you realize that WE need an artist good enough that their art alone convince trillionaire companies that naked people sucking dick can be art

>>7665565
>government regulation
that was about the online safety act in the UK and the age verification laws in the EU which are happening in tandem with the Visa and Mastercard shit, just to add insult to the injury

>>7665550
This. People acting like incest rape simulators being removed from steam means big brother is here and porn has been outlawed. There is nothing whinier and more hyperbolic than an incel.

>>7665570
>NSFW has been censored thru human history since the beggining
>naked people sucking dick can be art
you don't seem very knowleadgable about history

>>7665420 (OP)

no, in the long run these type of regulations only encourage the creation of black markets so if there's is someone willing to pay there will be someone willing to do it.

Also, the best way to do NSFW is not to depend on it financially. If you don't depend on it financially, you can draw or do whatever you want for the simple pleasure of doing it without fear of anyone censoring you and when they find you in the worst case scenario you just can come back with another name in another place

>>7665565
>The shit Visa has been up to is a gross overreach and abuse of power. Visa is not the government and are imposing their own standards which are censoring freedom of expression on a international level.
why aren't Visa and Mastercard allowed not to provide a company with their services if/to the extent they don't approve of their content?

Steam fucked up and allowed games that had titles like:
>Incest Tales: Sister And Mom
>Interactive Sex - Mom Son Incest
>Reincarnation in another world going to rape All NPCs VR

>>7665576
>you can draw or do whatever you want for the simple pleasure of doing it without fear of anyone censoring you
that goes without saying, but also making art and being good at it requires a lot of time, a normal person can't afford to spend many hours a day drawing if they don't also make money off of what they draw, and with the increase in censorship it also means that what you're allowed to draw shrinks.

>>7665557
you are convieniently ignoring the fact itch.io removed ALL porn games not just rape incest and abuse. but nobodys asking itch.io about that

>>7665584
none of those games are illegal and should not have been censored, this is just mastercad and visa dictating what can and can not be bought and steam being forced to comply. Based on their guidelines, even just a game recreating the events of game of thrones would be censored.

>>7665584
and youtube allows animal abuse videos to be published for years. none of this has anything to do with Visa or mastercard, or abuse content for that matter. every one of these corporations have been complicit no one bitched about it until now

Reminder that the only people suffering from this are
>"""game devs""" using AI for their visual novel hentai slop which have been spamming steam with relentless slop
>fetishists who want to spam their porn and expose others to their fetishes
>other type of financially invested grifters like nsfw artists only doing it for money
>AI pajeets
>kiddies who can't get free porn
And the only ones winning are
>content creators and drama channels that are farming hard with this and need to keep it alive and want people outraged so they keep watching

Shut the fuck up and stop arguing and parroting youtuber talking points
you're not going to change anything and you are genuinely making it worse

>>7665594
>this is just mastercad and visa dictating what can and can not be bought and steam being forced to comply
they're not obligated to do business with steam if they don't like some of their content

>>7665588
I'm not ignoring it, I think you tagged the wrong pesron? Itch removed all porn games because of the payment processors requests, I'm just saying that togheter with this bullshit that payment processors are doing on their own, goverments are also chiming with their bullshit regulations.

>>7665594
>none of those games are illegal

if thats the only defense you can muster for that shit i can hardly blame anyone who doubts your real intentions when you cry "censorship"

>>7665600
they have a monopoly over everything bought online and have the power to effectively censor whatever they want, undemocratically, this shouldn't be allowed to happen. Payments processors should only process payments and what can and can not be bought should be decided by law, not by a private company (or by a small group of extremists that decided to harrass said companies until they forced the markeplaces to remove whatever they wanted)

>>7665601
Visa only asked steam to delist abuse and exploitation games. why did they demand itch.io different terms than steam?

>>7665434
It's kind of funny, I feel like I haven't seen 'stralians blamed for the bulk of shitposting in a long time now (nowadays it seems to be jeets)

>>7665610
Private company, buddy.
What are you going to do about it?
Take it up with your local lawman if you hate it so much.

>>7665608
I don't believe that just because I think something is disgusting it should be censored, the next time what someone else things is disgusting will be censored, and so on until nothing except the most kid firendly, politically correct art can be allowed to remain

>>7665611
itch doesn't have the resources to check every game, so they did the same thing many other platforms do and carped banned everything that might be potentially a risk, kinda like how pornhub deleted everything not published by verified accounts years ago.

>>7665615
bro we get it you're the epic devil's advocate
if only you had actual arguments instead of pure mental illness and committing every single fallacy

please just shut the fuck up and gtfo my board

>>7665613
yes, I think there should be a law that forced payment processors to accept every legal payment and not only the ones they think are morally acceptable, and also there shouldn't be a duopoly but the market should be free and accessible to other companies too.

>>7665610
>Payments processors should only process payments and what can and can not be bought should be decided by law
so they should be forced to provide their services to anything and everything so long as it's legal - even if in one country it's legal and in another it's illegal? regardless of whether you think Visa, Mastercard, or any other process payment company has "morals", you're saying they should have no say in to whom they provide their services, even if, while perhaps legal, they fundamentally don't approve of the content/business?

>>7665626
>every legal payment
gg
you played yourself

if the payments didn't involve some sort of legal liability for the payment processors, do you really actually genuinely and unironically believe they would give a shit about any morality?

Stop arguing man you can't win this unless you are objective
shut the fuck up already

>>7665628
as long as they hold so much power yes, they should't be allowed to force their morals on other companies, either that or they should be forced to break up, lose the immense power they have over the market and open it to other companies that want to deal with the stuff they don't want to deal with.

>NOOOO THE PRIVATE COMPANY SHOULD DO WHAT I BELIEVE AND BREAK THE LAW OR GIVE UP THEIR POWER
bro this nigga is genuinely fucking retarded or a bot

>>7665632
>if the payments didn't involve some sort of legal liability for the payment processors
they shouldn't be legally responsable for what gets bought, hat's stupid, they should just be forced to cooperate with the police if someone uses them to buy illegal stuff but they shouldn't subsitute the police itself, that's not their role.

>>7665587
>that goes without saying, but also making art and being good at it requires a lot of time, a normal person can't afford to spend many hours a day drawing if they don't also make money off of what they draw, and with the increase in censorship it also means that what you're allowed to draw shrinks.

Yes, that's also true, and that's why I predict that NSFW art will become a side job for even more artists due to censorship but' it's not going to disappear, and you'll have to work on other projects to survive. As for the loss of quality in the medium well these days people are satisfied with anything just to coom and to be honest, it's us artists who often see what's wrong with an illustration and not the public.

>>7665633
forcing a private company to serve all legal business, regardless of risk or values, is its own kind of overreach unless you reclassify them as public utilities. and breaking them up wouldn’t guarantee more freedom: smaller firms are often more cautious. if you want neutral payments, you need real alternatives or structural regulation, not just hoping Visa behaves like a public servant.

>>7665637
Holy shit this trhead is full of retarded mutts. That dude is literally just saying that payment processors shouldn't be a monopoly and shouldn't decide outside of the democratic law what is or isn't ok to be bought with your own money, and you fuckers from the land of the free are actually siding with the trillion dollar companies that are actively censoring stuff, we live in a world when if tomorrow visa and mastercard decide you can't buy anything from a shop, that shop is forced to close, and you're ok with that?

>>7665640
It's because they manage payment transfers that they HAVE to be legally liable for shit, so that they don't wash their hands if they enable criminals to get away with shit.
You retards are genuinely underage, you can't even start to comprehend this shit on a macro scale.
Fuck off please
shut the fuck up

>>7665644
we have the technology to not rely on visa and mastercard for every payment, and in many countries it's already a thing, they shouldn't exist anymore

yeah these threads are just the cryptonftai shills at it again
Get a real job, Ranjeet.

>>7665656
if the current situation is caused not by moralfaggotry by the heads of the pp companies, but because they don't want to risk liability if someone uses them to do illegal stuff then
A- they should be forced to accept every legal payment and not decide to not deal with someone just because they think it's risky
B- there should be a solid, viable alternative to them.

>>7665658
that doesn’t really respond to my point. if you want companies like Visa to act like public utilities, you need to actually restructure the system: either through regulation or real alternatives. just saying “we have the technology” skips over how entrenched they are and how difficult it is to replace them at scale. if your argument is that they shouldn’t exist, that’s a separate conversation, but it doesn’t justify forcing private companies to serve everyone regardless of risk.

>>7665420 (OP)
This shit started because a radical femminist group called visa and mastercard more than a 1000 times until they forced them to ask steam and itch to remove the games they didn't like.

>>7665668
cool so what the fuck do you get out of spamming your opininons on 4chan?
You seem to know, so gtfo my board and go do politics irl, retard

>>7665420 (OP)
I just want to be able to access to rule34 again

>>7665434
>the first
>strayans are a part of history now
m00tykins has been forgotten...

Looks like cash and money orders are back on the table boys
>>7665434
>the first
>strayans are a part of history now
Damn, this is how the new guard refers to m00t? I feel old as shit
>>7665453
>crypto is definetly not that
Yeah, definitely... For reasons we do not fully understandu
>>7665550
>moralfags ignoring the facts that precedents need to be set before more stringent laws can be implemented

>>7665611
>illegal content
They're not illegal. Some Australian feminist had a meltdown because her husband left her for porn (real story) and cried to payment processors to "think of the children"
Also they're pixels, not real people.

>>7665702
meant for >>7665550

>>7665582
what are you talking about? Allowed? They have obviously already done it. We will see if it's allowed. If you can't see the downsides to a duopoly with strong biases clogging up the global economy and artificially disrupting trade and making entire sectors of legal content commercially unviable for no reason then you are special in the head.

Would you cheer if your power company turned off your electricity because they don't like what you type on 4chan when they power your pc? Is it their right to make moral judgements of how you use your electricity?

>>7665702
>Australian feminist had a meltdown because her husband left her for porn (real story) and cried to payment processors to "think of the children"
Is there somewhere I can read more about this?

>>7665708
unironically check the /v/ threads because it effects their games. I'd say /pol/ but discussion is compromised (because of course it is.)
Someone was able to identify the group leader of pic related and found posts detailing how her now ex husband left her because she never put out and he got off to porn instead of her. She also has no children of her own (because of course she doesn't)
I'm not making this up.

>inb4 muh video games
This LITERALLY effects artists too you fucking morons. We've had payment processors attack Fanbox, Pixiv and DSlite years ago, it's just now we see the slippery slope catching up to other peoples hobbies.

>>7665453
>normal people
No point in appealing to normies. Fuck them.
>>7665550
>""illegal content""
Thirdworld shithole dwellers need not apply, do not export your braindead mentality to the rest of the world, we don't want it.

>>7665565
It's a fucking power reversal. Because Visa and MC want thirdies to be enslaved to credit, they are providing limits at the behest of every crappy country with dictatorial abridges of freedom.

>>7665576
>Also, the best way to do NSFW is not to depend on it financially. If you don't depend on it financially, you can draw or do whatever you want for the simple pleasure of doing it without fear of anyone censoring you and when they find you in the worst case scenario you just can come back with another name in another place
Unless you completely self-host, they will go after the hosting companies too. Which is probably what happened with e621.

>>7665610
>Payments processors should only process payments
No government wants this, they want to be able to use them to spy on the populace.

>>7665719
>effects artists too
they deleted my visual novel from just because there's a scene of hypnosis in it

>>7665672
>>7665702
>>7665708
>>7665719
All Collective Shout did was effectively do the same shit as some retards reporting inflation or giantess art of Asuka or Yoko to deviantart.

Visa and MC are ALREADY HOSTILE to a lot of NSFW content, because they are making an effort to show good faith towards laws in countries like india (that bans porn), indonesia (that bans porn), and various other shitholes that screech at foreign companies when it's politically convenient.

>>7665610
honestly I find it absurd that in the day and age of digitalized transactions, payment processors are still fully in the hands of private companies

>>7665696
>this is how the new guard refers to m00t?
/ic/ is filled to the brim with newfags/tw*ttertards.
Just imagine if exif metadata doesn't get removed kek

>>7665728
>hypnosis
I find the rule against hypnosis especially funny, it's not like someone could actually emulate it and hypnotize someone in real life with to a magical app or a swinging pendulum lmao

>>7665733
Why the FUCK do you think crypto exists? It's not because of fucking investment gamblers and people looking for a way to scam others, it's because of the fucking expansion of the surveilance state during the 80s, 90s, and the overreach of the PATRIOT act and Operation Chokepoint.

Literally made by the faction of tech dudes who majorly boosted shit like linux and encryption, as part of fighting the same shit the EFF does.

>>7665737
in the UK it's against the law to show magicians "hypnotizing" people in television because they think people can get hypnotized by watching it too

>>7665705
while indicative in form, the question was obviously meant in a subjunctive sense ("why *shouldn't* they be allowed..."). anyways, you're comparing a payment processor to a power company, but that analogy doesn't really hold. electricity is a public utility - heavily regulated and granted monopoly status because it's essential and irreplaceable. Visa and Mastercard, for all their reach, are still private companies operating in a competitive financial market - albeit one that's badly in need of reform. if the argument is that they should be treated like utilities, fine, but then say so and advocate for that regulatory shift. otherwise, you're just demanding the privileges of a public system without the structure to support it.

>>7665739
cryptos would be cool if they were easy to use, you could actually buy things with them, and didn't turn into just a digital asset to gamble with, also cryptobros ruined their reputation.

>>7665732
It's not my fucking problem some shithole country wants to censor content that's LEGAL in my country.
Just because they want to play globalist with what I want to LEGALLY spend my money on, doesn't change the fact that it's anti consumer practice and people are already asking for your monopoly to be broken up.

>>7665732
>good faith towards laws in countries like india (that bans porn
Interesting how VISA and Mastercard draw the line at boobs and don't pressure that shithole into criminalizing marital rape.
Jeets rape their wives with 0 repercussions whatsoever yet the issue is drawings with some skin?
Very interesting.

The "fastest" way to solve this all would involve recolonizing the third world and forcing them to have laws and constitutions that support freedom of expression. That will never happen though, especially since the call is often coming from inside the house on the east side of the atlantic.

Europeans have been deluded into thinking that having no absolute freedom of speech enshrined as a limitation of their governments is somehow better. This is their consequences of that retardation, and the fact that this is all done via DEMOCRACY means that the sensible people are still getting stomped on because the normies are being told by the psychopaths in control that it's "good and normal".

>>7665748
The EU is just as if not more corrupt and authoritarian than the US. They only oppose american companies. They would be quiet as shit if Visa or MC moved their HQ to the EU.

>>7665753
>Jeets rape their wives with 0 repercussions whatsoever yet the issue is drawings with some skin?
So fucking funny the first google result leads you to rape crisis in England and Wales.
Holy fucking shit.

>>7665702
weak bait

>>7665753
>and don't pressure that shithole into criminalizing marital rape
Anon they only do things that increase shareholder value. They can't get pajeets on credit if they get kicked out. It's like asking a client when he's going to stop beating his children.

>>7665764
Kicking a billion and a half worth of scammers is a major win in everyone's playbook.
It would save humanity centuries of misery.

>>7665767
If the data says misery increases shareholder value they will do it. If the data says joy increases shareholder value they will do it. If the data says curing cancer increases shareholder value they will do it. If the data says nuking newfoundland increases shareholder value they will do it.

Are you starting to understand?
Everyone is afraid of fucking AGI but we already have companies who operate as if they're robotic because THE LAW dictates that they must and enshrines the legal fiction of collective ownership and limited liability.

>>7665777
>If the data says
A mangione style data reset can speak louder than this bs,
Remember ultimately it is greed that leads them, as long as they are human, they also feel fear.
Just gotta remind them customers always coom first.

>>7665783
Won't do shit because all of this garbage is caused by the fact that a huge portion of shareholders in everything is a representation of the collective will of literally everyone with a 401k or investment in an index fund. That's what state street, vanguard, and fucking blackrock are.

You know how HOAs are built to "preserve home values" and how ugly ass millenial grey architecture keeps being chosen over nicer shit, to make sure it has resale value? It's the droplets of that fucking impulse distilled out of a huge number of people via their retirement planning and then directed like a firehose at basically anything that shows growth.

So your Mangione solution is actually a chudjack billions must die one.

>>7665763
Collective Shout openly admits to this.

>>7665790
>Won't do shit because all of this garbage is caused by the fact that a huge portion of shareholders in everything is a representation of the collective will of literally everyone with a 401k or investment in an index fund. That's what state street, vanguard, and fucking blackrock are.
Lmao, remind me how did banning alcohol work in the 20s?
Banning and enforcing the ban are completely different things, no matter how big the retard is they can't wipe out market demand.
Someone else eventually dirties his hands and makes collective shout's work worthless,
They can disregard life threats? Ok.
Can they disregard consistent cash flows bypassing their moronic policies?
We shall see.

>>7665803
They claim responsibility for it because they want to seem influential but all they did was act as a narc. If this NGO that nobody has heard of was able to find all this "degeneracy" then that means some investigatory committee by some turdworld country will be able to do it just as easily. And thus, the risk has been elevated and the hammer comes down.

>>7665804
The only way around this shit presently is by declining to use the big four credit companies, which ranges from severely straining to impossible for americans at this point. People from other countries kind of can but it's very difficult, and the big four are gobbling up credit networks monthly. There are massive regulatory hurdles in place to creating an alternative card system. And if a merchant (which can include a hosting provider or other services you RELY on) takes the big four, they are STILL SUBJECT TO THEIR DEMANDS.

The only alternative is crypto, but it's still waiting on someone to at minimum make a grocery service that accepts crypto and is competitive with shit like instacart.

>>7665621
>doesn't have the resources

itch never claimed that. dont you think they'd take that more seriously than a "carpet bomb" when we're talking about peoples livelihoods?

>>7665850
I just made an assumption, I don't believe itch was against porn games a payment procerros just force their hand, the fact that they removed games that people have paid for from everyone's library and now you can't even get the money back is shitty though.

>"either allocate resources to check if anyone is uploading cp if you can't comply you can't use our services anymore because we must comply with the laws and regulations"
>lots of retards scream about censorship as if it will magically change the laws that are there
real, when it isn't censorship in the slightest
really makes you wonder who is behind the anti-payment processor psyop.

>>7665973
>anti-payment processor psyop
You are either a bot yourself or getting paid to try and damage control

If you're sucking banker cock for free, you are lower than whale shit.

>>7665973
>anti-payment processor psyop
Lol

How everything is worded as if pretending to be reasonable but making unreasonable, shallow, ignorant arguments always followed by either some emotionally charged statements like
>"they shouldn't do that"
>"this is censorship"
when anyone with half a brain can figure out why they can do that and why they must; really makes you wonder why if payment processors are so wrong that it warrants these relentless shill tactics.
Also more suspicious that one anon has been practically spamming the same talking points for a whole week now.

>>7665988
>People outraged about being moral-policed by faceless unelected and unaccountable corporations
>shill tactics

Post nose. Post your fucking nose.

>>7665992
>spreading more emotionally charged misinformation
>doesn't like being called a shill
Sorry, autism. I am practically immune to propaganda and bullshit.

>>7665611
>why did they demand itch.io different terms than steam?
Because itch.io can't fight back as much as steam, and must bend the knee when asked like a good little platform or effectively get shut down.

>>7665988
I don't like the third world being able to de facto rule over me purely because we have a fucking government-imposed pseudomonopoly on the ability to get paid.

Sure shit on the people who are so braindead that they believe that some tiny radical feminist and religious groups have the ability to influence corporations that manage to rake in trillions of dollars a year. But acting like they aren't WILLINGLY submitting to the more-restrictive laws outside of their home country's jurisdiction, all in the service of increasing shareholder value, is equally as asinine.

Any platform can retain their hosting of 18+ content, now they just have to do what they should have done from the beginning and actually check the adult content that's being posted, and surprise surprise, because it would cost money they simply dropped adult content.
>>7666007
If the payment processors didn't already want to do it, they wouldn't have used the feminist group as a scapegoat.
It's still not censorship, it's about not getting fucked by the government or losing investor money for enabling the purchasing and selling of illegal material, so the sensible thing to do is to cut all the hydras heads at once.
It isn't that difficult to figure out.
Stop believing companies are people.

>>7665741
There are old books researching the topic and even those say the participant must be willing and it's more of autosuggestion thing.

>>7666012
You have to be fucking indian.
>"illegal material"
Gee, I wonder why you're using that phrase and not CSEM? Could it be because you're from a country that bans more than the minimum and you agree with that? Fuck off.
Your ESL brain also somehow interpreted what I said as "treating companies as people" when I'm quite clearly stating that public companies, especially ones above a certain size, are soulless, data-driven engines designed to generate shareholder profit and nothing else.

Once again: I do not want third world shitholes de facto imposing their rules onto the rest of us via card systems. Your moral frameworks are bankrupt shams and you believe that "ethical behavior" means sucking up to whatever families have power.

>>7665649
That's what freedom is all about, ya commie.

>>7665719
WELLLLLLLLL!
Kyle's Mom's a bitch, she's a big fat bitch, she's the fattest bitch in the whole wide world, a big KAMEHAMEHA BI-YATCH!

>>7665420 (OP)
Well I think it's based because I haven't been able to money off of my NSFW works, so no one should.

>>7666034
Illegal material regarding porn can also be amateur recordings such as someone recording their sex partner without their consent i.e. through hidden cameras, actual rape, drunken sex recordings which fall into the non-consensual, not only csem.
But very telling that you read one word and have an instant spergout.

I just told you that you should stop believing companies make decisions based on morality or beliefs or ethics because all the investors and CEOs care for is their bottom line, not your shitty taste.
Not a single business survives on morality the mood swings of the CEO.
If there wasn't a financial risk, they wouldn't have pulled this move.
Still isn't censorship.

tbqh seeing trannies and grifters seethe into oblivion and do nothing but cope because they got mogged by some dry cunt is probably the funniest shit that's happened in the last decade

You can't stop blaming any single thing you can come up with based on your own mood swings. It's so miserable and pathetic
lmao

>>7665420 (OP)
>the myth of artistic freedom
not being able to host your porn game on Steam or Itch.io doesn't mean you can't make it at all or host it elsewhere. and none of them have to let you host it anyways. these platitudes are always so disingenuous.

they're just crying because they can't make money off of it
you just know these are the type of hustling thrid world shitskins ai should have already filtered out
now they cannot actually make any money anymore

fucking glorious

>OH NOO NOW THAT THE SHITHOLES CANNOT MAKE MONEY ANYMORE AND THE WEST WILL RESUME NORMALLY IN A COUPLE WEEKS I CAN ASK FOR ACTUAL LIVEABLE PRICES FOR MY WORK INSTEAD OF BEING UNDERCUT BY UNDERAGE NIGGERS LIVING AMONGST ORANGUTANS IN THE RAIN FOREST AND AI SLOPPING STREET SHITTERS
oh no the censorship!

>>7666066
>More ESL coping
At no point did I say that companies give a fuck about morality and I even outlined they don't. You're a fucking retard without basic reading comprehension.

Also, illegal material is already handled via takedowns and reporting of the uploader to law enforcement. They're not fucking responsible for user content as long as they respond to reports in a timely manner.

>>7666091
The problem isn't "itch or steam" it's the fucking credit companies.

>>7666094
>>7666099
Retards. This is CAUSED by turdworlders having access to Visa and MC. Their countries ban tons of content already. Making pornography is illegal in india. Fuck you can go report any indian accounts sharing porn or NSFW AI crap or whatever to their authorities and potentially get them arrested!

>>7666129
Anon, it's you who can't read and lacks a lot of information probably that's why you are unable to answer like a normal person.
And maybe you should remove your emotions from the discussions.

Like my nigga, you thinking it's the third world and their laws is so fucking cute.
First day on /pol/? Or did a youtuber give you that opinion?
Maybe posting your work would make us understand

it's absurd that a couple of companies hold so much power they can censor whatever they want worldwide, because platforms can't do anything but comply to their rules. They hold as much power as the fucking government, without being elected.

>Also, illegal material is already handled via takedowns and reporting of the uploader to law enforcement. They're not fucking responsible for user content as long as they respond to reports in a timely manner.
Omg you are so right.
Why aren't visa and mc employees just reading the transaction's invoices where it's written it's illegal material.
Holy shit this Anon just solved crime.

>>7666129
>They're not fucking responsible for user content as long as they respond to reports in a timely manner.
nta, but that kind of liability protection mostly applies to hosting platforms, not payment processors like Visa or Mastercard. they’re not shielded the same way under laws like Section 230, since they’re not just intermediaries for content: they’re part of the financial system, and they have to answer to banks, regulators, and fraud prevention policies. so even if they’re not legally “responsible” for the content, they can still face huge financial and reputational risks if it looks like they’re enabling illegal or borderline material. that’s why they often take a “better safe than sorry” approach and cut off services even for stuff that isn’t outright illegal. it’s not really about waiting for reports and taking down content, it’s about protecting their brand and avoiding regulatory blowback.

>>7666099
Why are you always thinking about children?

>>7666158
Because reading your retarded opinions and absolutely lack of knowledge on how shit works only makes one assume you're not 18

>>7666162
So what, in >>7666099 you're quoting the underage nigger living amongst orangutans?

retards really think criminals pay and buy shit like
>yes hello fellow criminal, i would like to purchase illegal material
>very nice fellow criminal, i will sell illegal material to you just make sure to write it down what the illegal material is so i can pay my taxes

>>7666164
>bot can't into association
is your circuitry ass tryna banter or is you having a stroke?

>>7666178
More like you can't into individuation.
Do you want to answer my question again?

>>7665803
>inb4 right wingers will look at this and shout "the leftists!"

>>7666147
>Like my nigga, you thinking it's the third world and their laws
In order to operate in india and other shitholes, they must comply with their laws. The goal is to boost share value by constantly growing, and they're pushing towards trying to get as many people in the "global south" on credit, as possible to do this. They do not want to deal with getting kicked out after establishing a foothold by being able to be scapegoated.

THIS is how credit networks work. They have opaque as hell rules because they are intentionally trying to comply with over a hundred different legal systems at once. They do not like to do this because it's costly. If there was no legal risk they would be happier. But there is, so they comply, and as a result everyone in the first world has the incoherent contradictory morality of the third world imposed on them via card rules:

https://bsky.app/profile/centralbanker.bsky.social/post/3lrqketsvdk2o

>>7666154
You are on 4chan, where CSEM posters get reported to the FBI all the time. It's not hard.

>>7666157
Yes I'm aware of that. That happens in part because of shit like the PATRIOT act, FOSTA-SESTA, and this crap: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Choke_Point
Forcing banks and card networks to act as non-government eyes for law enforcement.
That + the equivalents in other countries, many of which are kangaroo court levels of retarded.

Europoors are almost as bad as thirdworlders with their "But the government has to do something about it!!" stance on everything. If the past few days haven't convinced them that governments are just groups of violent thugs who have an unsubstantiated claim over the unique ability abridge others' rights, then they're in for a big surprise!

>>7666186
More like you're showing off that double digit IQ.

>>7666200
I know very well that you wouldn't dish out insults that wouldn't hurt you.

>>7666199
>ITS LE INDIANS BECAUSE... BECAUSE IT JUST IS OK
>source; bluesky post
lmao get the fuck outta here

it's over jewboy
go cry about how it's anudda shoah

>>7665420 (OP)
TOTAL COOMER DEATH

>>7666206
Can the voices in your head also give me the winning lottery numbers?

>>7666209
I'm sorry you got molested.

>be adult industry
>be a constant problem for everyone, especially governments and banks
>cry when you get what you fucking deserve and blame everyone but your own

>>7666207
>Implying it's JUST indians
>Implying the bsky post is a single post and not an entire goddamn thread outlining everything with quotes and screenshots of how this shit works
Africa and the rest of Asia are part of it too, pajeet.

>>7666219
Sorry, I don't speak collectivist. Please list, by name, the specific individuals and the specific problems they have each caused.

>>7666199
>Yes I'm aware of that
if you are, and acknowledge the governmental and regulatory pressure these card networks are under, then that sort of undermines the idea that they’re just neutral actors who only need to worry about responding to content reports. the kind of preemptive restriction we’re seeing from them is their response to that pressure. so it's not really about whether they're "responsible for user content", it's that they're treated as if they are, or at least held accountable by proxy, which is enough to make them act preemptively
>rights
unless you believe in some sort of natural rights, "rights" are fundamentally what the big guys decide to give you or allow you to do. and if that's the case, one group's decision is no less objectively substantiated than another's.

>blusky post by an actual schizo
>PLEASE TAKE IT SERIOUSLY OR YOU ARE A PAJEET THAT NEEDS TO GIVE ME AN OFFICIAL LIST SIGNED BY THE PRESIDENT OR YOURE A COLECCTIONIST
Nigger do you want me to hack into CIA databases and tell you how to commit crime and fraud just so you can ignore everything and keep seething about fuck all meanwhile your source is literally fucking nothing?

lmao this shit is too funny man
Has it ever worked?

>>7666235
>if you are, and acknowledge the governmental and regulatory pressure these card networks are under, then that sort of undermines the idea that they’re just neutral actors who only need to worry about responding to content reports. the kind of preemptive restriction we’re seeing from them is their response to that pressure. so it's not really about whether they're "responsible for user content", it's that they're treated as if they are, or at least held accountable by proxy, which is enough to make them act preemptively
Yes however we have seen an uptick in restrictions within the past decade, this is a combination of the shit you listed AND the other things AND because porn is inherently high risk due to chargebacks.
If it was just the last bit, you could compensate for it with paying a bit higher fees.
If it was the 2nd, pretty much the same albiet even higher ones - and as we saw with patreon back in the middle of the 2010s, this cut into the margins of a lot of people too much for their liking.

The expansion into the third world pretty much started in the middle of the last decade with this race to get a shitload of people online. Facebook had a program where they were just GIVING phones and internet service away to millions of indians. Growth, growth, and more growth is the name of the game for boosting stock values in the absolute cheapest way possible.

>unless you believe in some sort of natural rights
Yes. Property rights. Anything else is a contradiction and is ultimately just might-makes-right, not a coherent ethical system.

>>7666241
They ban period blood because they ban all blood. Retard.

>>7666195
The other side isn't exactly known for their free speech or artistic expression if the graphite drawing looks too young.
>>7666157
>protecting their brand
>people hate them and normies who were otherwise completely oblivious are now asking for these companies to be broken up
Bold move Cotton. Let's see how this plays out.
There's also liability of consumer protections. If I can't legally purchase content that would have been legally purchased had they not stepped in, What alternative is there? You can't just open another payment processor. These arguments are circular. If they as a "brand" don't care about consumer backlash now, then what the fuck was the point then?

>>7666250
You're in every one of these threads doing nothing but tonguing the asshole of corporations and governments, making no actual substantial claims of your own - what do you gain from it?

>you can't just open up a payment processor
You can.
But companies don't do it because there is too much risk involved and there is no incentive for them.

I can bet you any amount of money that if someone who has all the money in the world and is pro-porn, anti-censorship and doesn't give a shit about morality, he will eventually figure out it's best to not let the adult industry transact free.

>NOOO BLOODY SAAR UR IN EBERY THREAD SAAR STOP NOT AGREEING WITH ME BLOODY! REDEEM THE SHILLING SAAAAAR!!!
i see bs i laugh at you
breddy simperu

btw everyone you're replying to is me

>>7666268
>has no substantial arguments and is just here to shit up the board
You know Murrlogic copes for his poverty with his weird wonderbread art. Maybe you should find something that gives you real meaning instead of a false sense of status.

>>7665487
Hate to be that guy but that's literally what happens in japan.

>>7666012
>Any platform can retain their hosting of 18+ content, now they just have to do what they should have done from the beginning and actually check the adult content that's being posted
True bro just like Wikipedia bro you should verify to see pages like penis and tianmen square

>>7666243
>Yes however we have seen an uptick in restrictions within the past decade, this is a combination of the shit you listed AND the other things AND because porn is inherently high risk due to chargebacks. If it was just the last bit, you could compensate for it with paying a bit higher fees. If it was the 2nd, pretty much the same albiet even higher ones - and as we saw with patreon back in the middle of the 2010s, this cut into the margins of a lot of people too much for their liking. The expansion into the third world pretty much started in the middle of the last decade with this race to get a shitload of people online. Facebook had a program where they were just GIVING phones and internet service away to millions of indians. Growth, growth, and more growth is the name of the game for boosting stock values in the absolute cheapest way possible.
don't disagree that it involves a handful of different factors - chargebacks, growth strategy, investor expectations, and regulatory capture - but all of that just adds weight to the concern, not excuses it. when every institutional pressure (financial, legal, market-driven) pushes in the same direction - that is, toward narrower cultural control - you end up with informal censorship, even without a single puppetmaster pulling the strings. the fact that it’s not just FOSTA-SESTA or just moral panic doesn’t make it less concerning, rather it makes it harder to resist or even see clearly.
>Yes. Property rights. Anything else is a contradiction and is ultimately just might-makes-right, not a coherent ethical system.
if your “right” to property isn’t protected by force (state, private security, whatever), it’s just a preference. and if the system enforcing property rights also restricts speech or association through control of infrastructure, then your “rights” are only as secure as the framework that acknowledges them.

>>7666273
>shit up the board
the pot calling the kettle a nigger
classic

all me btw

>>7666251
>Bold move Cotton. Let's see how this plays out.
>There's also liability of consumer protections. If I can't legally purchase content that would have been legally purchased had they not stepped in, What alternative is there? You can't just open another payment processor. These arguments are circular. If they as a "brand" don't care about consumer backlash now, then what the fuck was the point then?
it’s not a circular argument: it’s an explanation of incentives, not a moral justification. when I say Visa’s protecting its brand, I don’t mean “they’re doing the smart thing to stay popular.” I mean they’re minimizing upstream risk: avoiding chargeback exposure, fines, or pressure from regulators, banks, and shareholders. whether or not the public likes them is secondary. in fact, it’s part of the problem: because consumer backlash often doesn’t outweigh the institutional incentives driving their behavior. and you’re right, people can’t just spin up a new payment network, that's exactly why this kind of informal censorship is concerning. if the only players allowed in the game are the ones that bow to pressure (whether moral, regulatory, or financial), then your legal "rights" to access content don’t matter if there’s no way to pay for it.

>>7666274
It happens everywhere but that isn't a solution when your customers are scattered across the country or globe.

This all comes down to the fact that the internet is this amazing piece of tech that allows people to find community outside their local area for ANY topic. It completely disempowers both the petty tyrants of social circles and towns, and threatens full on iron-fisted governments. Those people HATE this. They hate it so much. They want control, and they want to be able to look at someone they don't like and beat them into the ground - socially, economically, or phyiscally - until they conform.

>>7666278
>rather it makes it harder to resist or even see clearly.
I think we are on the same page. I have no solution besides "use crypto I guess? lol" because there's nothing that can be done on the 1st world side to restrain this. In many ways, it's all working as intended.
>your “rights” are only as secure as the framework that acknowledges them
Property rights exist whether or not they are enforced, and individuals can enforce their own rights. All that you have described is just violations of rights. The effectiveness of this doesn't change that the right exists and a coherent, non-contradictory ethical system can be derived from it. This is me making an argument about ethics, as in, what is just.
When I say
>governments are just groups of violent thugs who have an unsubstantiated claim over the unique ability abridge others' rights
I am making an argument that they are in fact unjust institutions REGARDLESS of how many people unthinkingly support them.

>>7666286
>Saar look i learned inspect element
Really making the case for yourself there, aren't you?

>>7666305
>Property rights exist whether or not they are enforced
>they are in fact unjust institutions REGARDLESS of how many people unthinkingly support them
says what?

>>7666317
>existence of property rights
Every single other system of ethics is contradictory, and thus can be logically concluded as false.
>unjust institutions
Aggressing upon peaceful people is unjust. The people within the state aggress upon other, peaceful humans, violently accosting them and violating their own property rights over their person or possessions, in order to get them to comply against their will. These actions and processes are (typically) codified in laws, but there is no way to coherently justify this. The laws are thus unjust, and the existence of said institutions that are created from them also are unjust by extension. Anything that's unethical for one person to do, is unethical for ALL people to do.

>>7665637
>>7666208
>>7666219
>>7666250

Shouldn't you all be busy bitching about the price of eggs?

>>7666342
Joke's on you, I don't eat, i feed on your misery.

>>7665973
Kek. Stop farming for (You)'s

>>7665988
I'm a grown ass adult I'm not letting some snobby Australian feminist tell me what games I should be allowed to play

you keep giving them to me
how is it my fault?

>>7666332
>Every single other system of ethics is contradictory, and thus can be logically concluded as false.
an internally coherent ethic doesn't mean it has absolute grounding. it's also a false dilemma, as if one of the multiple options must be true.
>Aggressing upon peaceful people is unjust
again, says what? you just keep making assertions without an actual argument.
>but there is no way to coherently justify this
again, a false dilemma. even assuming that there was no objective justification, it wouldn't then follow necessarily that the curtailment of certain actions and material goods was unjust: an alternative is that these things just are, there's no just OR unjust.

>>7665420 (OP)
Personally i do not buy any nsfw stuff off the internet. I do not care and i think it's for the better. If i wanted money that badly i would get a job instead of trying to get nsfw comms

>>7666343
A predictable reply from a predictable Anon. Just don't start crying when they inevitably decide to come for your creature comfort(s) because someone who disagreed with your way of life found them "offensive".

>>7666355
Read the forward of this, it answers your contentions and thoroughly deconstructs the incoherence of might makes right, social contract theory, etc. and makes a strong case for natural rights: https://stephankinsella.com/wp-content/uploads/lffs/kinsella_lffs_3d_printing_mar_2025.pdf

The relevant section of it is too long to paste here but it starts with
>Natural law and rights theorists contend that the principles of just human conduct can be discovered from the study of human nature. On the one hand, such study reveals that humans are endowed with reason, as manifested by the indisputable fact that they can speak and communicate with one another, from person to person, in a common language. On the other hand, this study shows that humans are also actors (and in combination then: reasonable actors). Speaking and communicating itself are purposeful activities directed at a goal. Yet even if and when we are not speaking or communicating but do things silently, we are still acting and cannot but act as long as we are not asleep, comatose or dead.

>>7666370
Man, if only i gave a shit about the mental illnesses of zoomers.

>>7666386
Of course, that would require you to give a shit about anyone but yourself.

>>7666375
immediately this argument makes the is-ought fallacy. even if we agree that
>humans are reasonable actors
and the like, and have some number of preconditions in order to survive, that doesn't entail that we must pursue survival or thriving. on this alone his justification can be dismissed.

>>7665420 (OP)
I know you may have been groomed to think otherwise, but Xitter coom artist isn't a career path

>>7666399
Now I know you didn't read the forward from that response and only what I pasted.

>>7666405
I'm fine with you believing that falsehood

>>7666397
Look, no matter how much you try, we all can tell you grew up without a positive male influence.

>>7666251
>The other side isn't exactly known for their free speech or artistic expression if the graphite drawing looks too young.
What-aboutism. Conservatism is largely anti-porn and pro-censorship in general as it is a threat to their "western" (christian) values. Majority of these past actions have been pushed by and traditionalists. Already Collective Shout is already being outed as a TERF group.
I have far more respect for the people that shit on lolifags than the puritan conservatard.

>>7666406
Arguing against the pursuit of survival is a performative contradiction

>>7666411
Projecting so hard you could plug a laptop into your ass and show off a powerpoint presentation.

>>7666417
>being the person in the image
nta, this isn't a "who is less-bad" contest and you are demonstrating that you have the terminally-online polbrain to where you perceive it as "everything I dislike is the opposite side of a single-dimensional, poorly-defined scale"

>>7666418
there's a difference between arguing against its pursuit per se and arguing against it as moral imperative.

>>7666420
>no u
Thanks for proving my previous statement.

>>7665741
wtf then what about derren brown

>>7666428
I would say the sheer fucking irony of using "no u" in your insufferably smug reply is palpable, but this would also require you to grasp the concept of irony.

>>7666438
>the irony
which there is none, i'm quoting your post
>you're smug and don't grasp irony
You're doing a "no u" again

Lmao
If you stopped acting like you're on twitter surrounded by catty cunts and fatherless faggots, maybe i'll buy you the dictionary your father never did.

>>7666421
No. I have done my research. The more you look at it, the more clear it becomes that it's right-wing astroturfing disguised as progressiveness. If you search up anything about "Melinda Tankard Reist" (The movement director for this group) you'll find a bunch of shit about her being a self-described conservative.
Haley McNamara is also another one I recently looked into. She is Senior Vice President of Strategic Initiatives and Programs at the National Center on Sexual Exploitation. (NCOSE) Another conservative group.
I do not think my ability to recognize a grift makes me one-dimensional, but your opinions seem to be easily swayed by wojaks.
>Image attached is Collective Shout's letter to the payment processors with a list of their names, feel free to research any of them.

>>7666441
>>7666438
I'll add on another fatherly criticism.
The difference between your post an mine is that you focus too much on building up a strawman, believing the characterization which is also wrong, can even remotely be an insult, which would only be an insult to an actual narcissist.
My post not only criticizes your post correctly, but also insults your choice of places you hang out and are influenced by given your "banter", which again; are just inane insults rather reminiscent of the high school bully who will cry the moment the group laughs at him, but the people on there as well and your obvious lack in literal and intellectual diversification too, and lastly reinforcing the point that you weren't raised properly while indirectly offering to replace your missing parental figure since you display a dire need of guidance.
Banter is about what can be objectively pointed out, not whatever you feel like about other people.

Sorry man, but you cannot ever compete against me. Take the L.

>>7666422
Anti-human ethics are incoherent and self-contradictory.

>>7666447
The particular group is immaterial as it has no real influence besides being a tattletale. It's a waste of time and energy to give a shit about left vs right or some retarded activist groups when the actual source of problems is elsewhere. Consider the opportunity cost.

>>7666459
I'm not saying I have an internally coherent and solid first-principled ethic, but that doesn't mean yours is by default. again, it's a false dilemma to say that of all the ethical systems humans can come up with, one of them has to be correct; all of these other ones I see are incorrect; therefore, this last one wins by default. you actually have to ground it in spite of the (in)validity of other systems. it could be the case that no ethical system has solid first principles. and from the natural rights theory outlined in the forward you provided, it makes fallacies right off the bat. in order to survive, you must be able to survive
>without ever running into physical clashes with anybody else,
but what that looks like practically aside, there's no grounding for why we ought to pursue such a thing without condition

>>7666465
>there's no grounding for why we ought to pursue such a thing without condition
You would have to presume some kind of ethic that exists without humans for that to work.

>>7666459
>It's a waste of time and energy to give a shit about left vs right or some retarded activist groups when the actual source of problems is elsewhere. Consider the opportunity cost.
And I agree with that, as I understand that most culture war rhetoric is created for the sake of engagement. I am just pointing out that the group in question has a conservative basis in it's figureheads. What I find more interesting is that they're targeting things that really doesn't help in any capacity to make things better.

>>7666471
perhaps there is some kind of absolute moral order - divine or otherwise - that we simply aren’t in a position to fully grasp. I don’t claim certainty either way. but even if there isn’t, we’re still left with the hard question: are any ethical systems we come up with truly grounded, or are they all just rationalizations? if the answer is the latter, that doesn’t leave you with a clean slate, it leaves you in a world where power just replaces principle.

>>7665741
Something I learned while browsing /gif/ that I could never tell anyone, one of the hypnothreads complained that Pornhub had hypnosis banned from the site because there was this case where a phone sex operator was using "hypnosis" on a man and the man sued saying he was hypnotized into giving her money and won. Companies that do not want to deal with that kind of lawsuit ban hypno.

>>7666294
I suppose I'd have to agree with you. At the very least you're not giving them a "positive" excuse, which to be fair, seems to be the case whenever this is brought and someone tries to defend their actions as "it's le private company." As if there's any real alternative to this monopoly.

>>7666480
Property rights are logically derived. They are like math, not like consciousness or god. That's what the book I linked explains. They solve conflict over rivalrous resources and create a complete, universal ethical and legal theory, from which human action is easily guided without - again - room for contradictions.

>>7666428
>cries no u
>your prior post is some attempt at framing the anon as being fatherless
Your bizarre attempt at some ad hominem isn't an actual argument. Newfag Zoomers will eventually learn that daddy government doesn't have their best interest in mind.

>>7666447
>The more you look at it, the more clear it becomes that it's right-wing astroturfing disguised as progressiveness
Who would ever think that banning porn is progressive? That's been a conservative talking point for decades; there's nothing to disguise. Are people falling for this as we speak?

>>7665615
Pretty sure incest and rape are illegal sex acts, much like pedophilia

Their depiction in fiction isn't, but works directly promoting are extremely problematic the same way. I do not support this censoring, but I understand why some do.
>Violent murder games
Yes, but they usually offer more than just perverse murdering.
Yes. But, I believe there's

>>7666524
>Pretty sure incest and rape are illegal sex acts
Incest isn't illegal, depending on where you go.

>>7666525
It is, in the vast majority of the civilized world and even the uncivilized world.

>>7666524
>directly promoting
Translation:
>I hate the idea that people can find other people with similar interests and form hobby subcultures around enjoyment of fiction that features themes which I find disgusting. Those people should be forced to choose between participation in the things I deem to be the only good and proper ones, or be ostracized EFFECTIVELY - meaning fully socially isolated with no ability to find substitute communities.

>>7666524
>Yes, but they usually offer more than just perverse murdering.

>>7666528
I suggest you read two more lines of my post before projecting.
I don't support ostracizing any such person who does not commit such immoral acts (and please do not dress it up as "fiction involving themes that I find disgusting", that is very different from "direct fictional depiction of grossly immoral things for the sake of itself"), merely discouragement from it.

>>7666529
>usually
Games that involve some brutality, with mechanical means to justify it, are the same as movies that allude or depict incest/rape as a device to storytelling without it being their entire point.

Games like manhunt however, may be considered perverse in the same sense.

I still do not support censoring any of them.

>>7666529
>>7666532
>Violence is fine if there's a STORY to it
Holy SHIT when did 4chan get filled with so many no fun puritanical mom types? Jesus fucking Christ it's like I stepped into a bible study session headed by Jack Thompson. Dry your wet blankets

>>7666532
I read your post. You still framed it as if the enjoyment of fiction is the "promotion" of something.
I was giving you the good faith assumption that you are NOT an idiot who thinks something asinine like there being no difference between fiction and reality, or that fiction somehow is all subtle propaganda that ratchets morals in different directions. So I presumed you were intentionally referring to the demand signal being available for people willing to supply it. And in a truly free market, the choice to not-deal with such people would be fine. You SEEMED to recognize this.

But now you contradict yourself via the claim that a "fictional depiction of immoral things" is somehow a significant distinction in this category, presumably compared to "fictional depicitions of non-immoral things". So I have no idea what the fuck you believe.

>>7666420
>Projecting so hard you could plug a laptop into your ass and show off a powerpoint presentation.

>>7666540
It's a retarded shartycuck that's been doing this in every thread. You can tell by the spacing in their posts as well as the images and multiposting rapidly

I know this is all happening because the end goal is that you need to be logged into the internet with your ID 24/7 so they can arrest you if you say something against Israel, but at least I can enjoy the silver lining.
I hope all you little porn hookers fucking die. The last time I was this happy was when a bunch of the people you were simping for got sent to die in Ukraine. I fucking hate you all. I genuinely hate you so much I wish you all to suffer and die. Your parasitic garbage "NSFW" "art" is a cancer. I want you all gone, not just from the internet but also in a mass grave. I am so fucking tired and disgusted of seeing you little pieces of shit infest the internet with your shit taste slop. If you like drawing porn so much then you can just draw it in the privacy of your home. Right? You're not doing it for the money like the little cocksucking piece of shit whores you are, right? Fucking die all of you. If even one of you parasitic thirdie shits starves to death I'll be happy.

We need a free speech payment processor, simple as

>>7666578
You wouldn't be posting this with a digital ID
ironic

>>7666578
wtf why u so mad

>>7666579
cash, money orders, and monero
fuck your cashless society

>>7666613
puritanical retards can't help but be emotional little shits. Probably was raped as a kid

>>7665420 (OP)
it's over and there's nothing you can really do about it short of going luigi over porn
time to find a new grift you talentless coomer brain-addled hacks

>>7666504
again, even if we suppose there aren't internal contradictions, that doesn't mean it's presuppositions are grounded. based on certain observations about the human condition, it concludes that we ought to strive towards a human ethic that avoids conflict over material objects. but that's just this is-ought problem. there are various objective facts we can describe about the human condition, but that those particular ones ought to be considered cannot be supported by the system itself - that's circular. so "reason" is used, but there we see another fallacy:
>Essentially, these rules have been known and recognized since eternity
that's just an appeal to common sense. it's also just false, as there's been plenty of conflict over who owns what and whether there is such a thing as private property. that this solves conflict over resources is just naive.

>>7666700
>is-ought problem
You can bring this upon everything, even nihilism. It's a weak criticism because it does nothing but amount to the same thing as the brain in a jar proposal.
>as there's been plenty of conflict over who owns what and whether there is such a thing as private property. that this solves conflict over resources is just naive.
It's not, you're just looking at it from a utopian perspective. Regardless of the theory, the usage of some rivalrous resource by person A necessarily excludes person B and vice versa. So there must be some system to determine who has the final say over it, else there is conflict (violent conflict) to decide who does. Ownership is exclusivity. Nobody else may make use of some rivalrous resource besides the owner, unless the owner consents to it.
If you have abridged property rights, it simply means that there is some other person or people who falsely claim to have a justification to steal. In a monarchy this is the king, in a democracy the government. etc. And it is theft because they are violating that exclusive right through the initiation of violent conflict.

Without having it, you could not have this analysis and be able to solve for who is actually in the right. The justifications from other methods boil down to might-makes-right and other contradictory nonsense.

Having a final arbiter that is self-evident and not subject to special knowledge (wise men/etc) is extremely important, as the point of an ethical code is to guide humans to take actions that are not unjust. In order to do that, you need to know what IS unjust, and in order to determine that you need some criteria. The criteria thus have been logically derived. Praxeology is a huge key to understanding this, which simply states that man must act, and when man acts he does so to attain some ends. In doing so he chooses which action he believes will bring him the most benefit. Each choice made has an opportunity cost - you cannot sit in two places at once.

>>7666712
>You can bring this upon everything, even nihilism
perhaps, but that doesn't get around it
>It's a weak criticism because it does nothing but amount to the same thing as the brain in a jar proposal
I'm not entirely sure what you're saying, but it's a valid question whether solipsism is true. just saying it's "weak" doesn't prove it's wrong.
>So there must be some system to determine who has the final say over it, else there is conflict (violent conflict) to decide who does. Ownership is exclusivity.
even granting that, that we ought adhere to this system cannot be supported by the system itself, because that's circular. that's like saying science shows its ultimate validity.
>The justifications from other methods boil down to might-makes-right and other contradictory nonsense.
again, even if all other ethical systems are false, that doesn't mean that one of them has to be and that yours wins by default. we can grant might-makes-right is wrong, that doesn't justify your own.

>>7666540
I did not say that. Work on your reading comprehension and do not reply to me unless you want to argue in good faith.

>>7666714
>I'm not entirely sure what you're saying
Suppose that reality is simply a hallucination and you are actually a brain in a jar (or that it's a fabrication, or that you are actually some divine being dreaming or making itself unable to remember that it's playing pretend). You would have no way of determining if this is true or not, but a system for as deep as determining ethics or as mundane as figuring out a management style at a company need not account for it. It's beyond the scope.

This is not an attempt to create a philosophical theory of everything. It does not account for morality, it simply forms a bedrock of must-nots (property rights) that temper the limits of what moral systems - which are subjective - can impose in terms of punishment for those who break their tenets.

>that doesn't mean that one of them has to be and that yours wins by default
It's justified for the same reason that math is justified. Much of it is self-evident given an honest analysis. To claim that noncontradiction and reason are not needed is incoherent and a performative contradiction, refuting itself.

>>7666561
I did not. I only said that the fiction itself promotes those themes, not that the consumption of it is promotion.

That is all I mean, my argument is against the works itself, not whoever consumes them. The rest is non-sequitur.

>>7666727
>I only said that the fiction itself promotes those themes
Why feel the need to say it? Are you afraid of the themes becoming popular or something? I don't understand what your contention is. This reads like you could apply it to say
>DOOM promotes the themes of an angry hero slaying demons on another planet.
Or something equally as circular.

I believe you're trying to earnestly convey some kind of real vibe you have, but just the meaning is getting lost in the imprecision of language.

>>7666726
>Suppose that reality is simply a hallucination and you are actually a brain in a jar (or that it's a fabrication, or that you are actually some divine being dreaming or making itself unable to remember that it's playing pretend). You would have no way of determining if this is true or not
yup
>but a system for as deep as determining ethics or as mundane as figuring out a management style at a company need not account for it. It's beyond the scope.
practically it need not, but when you start talking about whether we ought to follow such a system, just saying that it's self-evident is fallacious
>noncontradiction and reason are not needed
this is disingenuous at worst and lacks clarity at best. no one said an ethical system doesn't need non-contradiction, just that regardless of whether it's internally non-contradictory, the idea that it ought to be supported has to be sought outside of itself. and, again, your argument boils down to an appeal to common sense, a fallacy. "it's just self-evident that this is true."

>>7666578
oh don't worry, now we'll just be forced to censor the nipples out of our drawings and we'll flood the normal spaces of the internet with softcore porn because it'll be the only way to reach an audience.

>>7666762
And it will push children into crappy free VPNs, shady websites and the dark web, because they want to see porn and without the parents actually doing their job, they'll find a way.

>https://itch.io/docs/creators/faq
>itch rules only specify banning fringe nsfw stuff that was already technically not allowed
Soooo am I in the clear? I thought itch removed all nsfw. Are they letting non-extreme nsfw back on or what?
And what is the status of patreon?

>>7666804
Nothing has happened on Patreon. Nothing really happened anywhere. It's just doom posting.

>>7666846
not true, patreon was forced to ban many accounts that did follow its rules before the change, gumroad banned every nsfw file ven if they previously followed the rules, steam added a vague ass rule that says they can remove any game that MAY break payment processors guidelines, itch completely delisted every nsfw game, making discoverability and reach impossibile, and banned stuff that even steam allows like "the coffin for andy and leyley"

>>7666846
>Nothing really happened anywhere
Denial posting

Yeah I've been trying to open commissions because people kept asking but it's been a pain in the ass to set up because of regulations.
So I'll just do what I always did and just do it for fun.

>>7665719
>>7666864
so funny how quick all of you are jumping straight to slippery slope fallacies after lambasting those as conspiracy theorists for years. now that your precious abuse porn is under threat

>>7666854
What rule change? Loli, rape and incest was never allowed.

>>7665550
>its not happening
>ok it is but its not a big deal
>ok it is a big deal but who cares
>ok everyone cares but you're seething so its funny

>>7666900
Slippery slope seems real here. The path of least resistance with laws is never relinquishing, but by piling on more and more regulations.

>>7666578
>so they can arrest you if you say something against Israel
Checked.

>no they will never ban porn, you're just a puritan
>nope won't ever happen, schizo
>just close your eyes if you dont want to see porn everywhere lol
>and if they do, well they actually can't lmao
>GAISE WTF THESE ALBINO PURITANS FROM /POL/ ARE BANNING PORN THEY CANT DO THAT WE SHOULD POST MORE PORN EVERYWHERE BECAUSE NO ONE EVER POSTS PORN ANYWHERE PINKY SWEAR PURITANS HELP US OR THEY WILL COME FOR YOU TOO OR YOU'RE MAD AND SEETHING IF YOU DONT HELP US BUT FUCK YOU BTW
after witnessing the coomer meltdown of the century, i won't need porn anymore

>>7666890
bondage/blackmail was allowed until last year when they got hit with this same shit

>>7666886
the person yo9u are talking about doesn't exist. anon

>>7666732
The self-evidentiary nature of things is not "common sense" but logically derived.
Man acts. Man cannot help but act. Man acts with rationality to make decisions. This is self-evident. An actor operating off of rationality is a rational actor.

So, in order to act on reason, it can be derived that man must have exclusive control of his own body, else it would be impossible. Exclusive control is ownership. As already explained, he cannot help but act, and thus man's ownership of himself is inaliable simply through it being a physical fact that it is impossible for an individual to give up his own control over his body. That is also self-evident.

Additionally, you cannot not-follow some sort of system to guide your actions when choosing between options for actions that interface with other humans. As humans we have already conceptualized ethics in a way such that it is an impossibility without doing the work of discovering a new one.

>>7666886
Bro. What part of those posts gave you the indication that any of those anons thought the fallacy isn't real?

>>7667060
>So, in order to act on reason, it can be derived that man must have exclusive control of his own body, else it would be impossible
even if you grant that, that would not then justify that we ought to act on reason, or at least try. no matter how logically coherent you try to make your system - even if you succeed - it cannot justify itself. "if we want to do x...." cool, but why ought we, without using circular reasoning, want to or strive to act in such a manner. that in order to act you necessarily assume some sort of value system has never been in dispute, and doesn't ground your ethic.

>>7667071
People cannot help BUT act on reason, is the thing. Even if they are acting from poor information, humans act on reason. This is an observable fact about the nature of humanity.

>>7665582
Because they are a essential company/business like a hospital, power company, grocery store, etc. They cannot infringement on my rights as an American. Or strong arm their interpretation of freed of speech or expression. Our constitution and laws which we the people have created cannot be usurped by a company. They have to follow the rules and laws of the land. Americans first rule, is the First Amendment, which is freedom of speech and expression. So if a company can get a monopoly on a essential service and force the country to follow THEIR rules. They have become the government. So they have over stepped their bounds and are using illegal powers which they do not have.

My fellow comrades, we must take back the heckin means of payment processing!

>>7665420 (OP)
If the femminists were able to force censorship by simply calling their phone numbers over and over, we can do the same, until they give up.

https://x.com/Pirat_Nation/status/1949439636721324252

>>7667541
Not your personal army.

>>7667541
Why would I listen to a guy who can't spell or use proper grammar?

>>7667541
I feel like a simple support ticket would have been enough to take down games that were literally called: "Interactive Porn Mom Son Incest". This group is trying to take credit for that to fundraise money.

>>7667541
They didn't force censorship by convincing visa and MC to tighen the screws.
They just directed MC's financial death squads at a source of material that the card companies already deemed to be a risk. The activist group was unknowingly acting like a truffle pig for the corpos.

>>7667071
you type like you've had a sissygasm.

>>7667553
Because apes together strong.

>>7667630
I guess Steam did a great job of keeping it hidden if they were hit this late

Or maybe the paypros where afraid of hitting Steam because it's such a big and respected platform

Considering how it ended, they should've left Steam alone

>>7667606
Nah steam didn't even take down No Mercy globally after it was banned in Australia and UK, the developer had to do it

At the end of the day, people who have a porn folder won

If they came after Loli bros without any repercussion, they will eventually come after the rest of us, it doesn't even matter if you are Coom or Loom, NSFW or SFW. That just means they can decide who gets to draw what, the Nazi did this before, and I am not going back to painting black square motherfuckers. All artists must fight back. You must fight and resist, I don't even like loli. They want to ban Loli? They get more Loli. By principle, if you allow one group of people get deleted, you are subjecting yourself in the future to be deleted. FIGHT.

>>7667541
I wish I could be a fly on the wall for these emails man
>wah you took my pedo scat furry porn away you faggots!!! Dont you that i will now go rape real children now!?Fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck fuck!!! This is fucking genocide!!!!!!
El.Oh.El.

>platform sells illegal content (loii rape incest videogames)
>illegal content gets taken down
>OMG CENSORSHIP YOU WILL BE NEXT

>>7667979
>illegal because a bunch of faggots want to take away your rights
>Nazi took away guns
>kill jews
>ban art
>artist paint black square to resist
Are you going down the same fucking path again? wake the fuck up nigger.

>>7667979
That's not illegal
There was no basis for the removal of that content

Not replying to bait. Nice try.

>niggers who can't even fight for a job application have convinced themselves to fight against payment processors for taking some porn off of steam
Fucking kek

By the rule of law that content was not illegal as you don't get persecuted for owning it. Don't try to twist the law as you see fit even if you don'r agree with the subject matter yourself

>Millions of people are outraged
>mastercard and visa will kneel
>supporting or banning something that does nothing to you is the wrong side of history

>>7668010
I want to spend my money how i want. Credit card companies should have no say in it.

>>7668014
it also set a precedence if we dont fight back, they will continue to decide what you can spend your money on. You need to bring all the help you can get, get your government involved and people who can do something about it.

>>7668036
Exactly. If the government decides that some content is illegal then that's pretty much that, but when credit card companies try to make the rules then we really shouldn't let them get away with it in the slightest

>>7668045
What I fear is the double edge sword of regulations, the government over correct, now they monopoly of Mastercard and visa is solidify through regulatory capture, might even prevent crypto from rising.

>>7668045
The difference is that the government can be protested, elections can be overturned, and policitians at least have to keep up the charade that they are the will of the people.

Banks and moneychangers are unaccountable to anyone and there is no official avenue for the people to have any sort of influence on them. It's a complete tyranny.

>>7668054
Mate. The government makes the rules we have to abide by. Doesn't really change anything if they're right or wrong

>>7668055
In an ideal world the government would be the voice of the collective people and the laws would be the ones that benefit the people and people want to life by

>>7668055
There is, it's called violence, someone killed a CEO of a insurance company, everyone cheered. It is bad, but it hit home for everyone, those insurance cunts are parasites.

>>7668068
>There is, it's called violence
This only works if everyone agrees to do it en mass to mitigate the risk of punishment from authorities.
A few lone wolves popping off rando executives here and there will only make the others get more intense security, law enforcement will now be even stricter and appear more justified in bigger budgets and militarization, and the others of the ruling class will want to punish the underclass for their insolence through economic oppression.

However, if several thousands of people get together to run over several bank headquarters at a time, there will be nothing any government or other group can do about it except capitulate.

This is why so much time and money is spent on spook agencies conducting surveillance, spying, disinformation and astroturfing here and everywhere else, to prevent the poors from actually unionizing and organizing for another Peasants Revolt. See what happened to the trucker protest in Canada, they infiltrated that movement early to convince them to be "peaceful", which allowed the rulers to dismantle them through freezing bank accounts and arresting key people. Had the truckers collectively used violence instead, the outcome would have been very different and Canada may have become a better place because of it.

The same thing happened with the original Socialist movement when Marx was sent in by the Phillips family to also convince the poors to be peaceful and not commit violence, leading to the destruction of the workers movement there and possibly forever.

>>7668036
>>7668045
>>7668054
>>7668055
>>7668060
Government partially caused this by adding accelerant.

>>7668068
CEOs are just top level employees. This is caused by shareholders.

>>7668085
Peaceful works, they were blockading economic activity. The mistake was the truckers not knowing how deep the rot went - they should have used crypto.

This article some furry wrote outlines how this was all coming from a mile away.
https://pleromanonx86.wordpress.com/2024/04/11/in-a-long-enough-timeline-every-artist-will-be-forced-to-take-crypto/

>>7665599
yes, yes, just don't struggle or react to remove the pillow smothering your face- it only makes it worse. shhhh...

>>7668106
No one is going to use crypto, the thing it was designed to be used as ~money~ its now hilariously bad at. people will just continue to use patreon for softer stuff and take comm money via paypal venmo whatever and just not say they are sending hardcore incest diaper fur porn.

youre an actual idiot if you think it will go down any other way. maybe this will force artists to get actual creative jobs and not run their gay little fiefdoms but thats more optimistic than anything.

>>7668511
I think we are moving into a phase where governments are trying to hold their power over society more intently because they see their ability to control narratives slipping.

Centralized culture is breaking apart. To maintain centralized control, they may, instead of simply subtly altering cultural institutions, press this boot down upon decentralized cultures via backbone/logistical institutions. That is presently what we see happening with the ID requirements, and it will likely also extend to payment via the domestic-regulatory layers of the card issue.

I do not think that they can effectively do this for the long haul. These moves are, as they become more and more limiting, likely to piss off enough people to cause enough pockets of rebellion. This includes the soft-rebellions of withdrawal from these systems in favor of freer/decentralized ones. The lack of support then causes the institutions to collapse and we get full, not just cultural, balkanization.

You are thinking on a scale of about 1-2 years, I am thinking on a scale of 5-10 with loose guesses towards 40 years.

>>7666886
This criticism is accurate to a certain group of people but they're not the type of people who would post on 4chan.

>>7668546
> balkanization
yea 2016 twitter discourse is a decade old now. did you just find out about nick land too loser?

>>7668511
>force artists to get actual creative jobs
There are none. Besides, how the fuck can anyone with a soul support forcing creatives to go work for Shekelstein instead of being independent in any way possible.

>>7668583
then starve i don't fucking care
> There are none
only if you are a whiny loser who won't do what they are told

>>7668570
We already have cultural fragmentation to a degree that was unprecedented in 2010. It is only going to continue to accelerate as people are trying to stay ahead of the encroachment of the slop mob.

>>7668116
What do you mean? Scammers are the ones suffocating, not me.
>but but but but they'll cum for u!!!!
I have nothing to fear.

>>7668588
We can now find people who don't want to "tell people what to do" but instead engage in voluntary, mutually-agreeable transactions.

>>7668591
zoomers are actually 10 years behind any relevant discourse, wild.

>>7668594
so pre-feudal relations lmao, good fucking luck with that.

>>7668593
>I have nothing to fear.
There are many reasons one would say this in response to creeping authoritarian overreach and they all paint you as someone who is going to be eventually staring down the barrel of a gun due to your own hubris or depression.

>>7668596
You know us millenials don't HAVE to fall into the mental trap of assuming we know everything, like the boomers and our grandparents did, right? Some intellectual humility might do you some good.

>>7668599
Not pre-feudal relations, no. Technology ensures that.

>>7668611
> Technology ensures that
yea it ensures that mode of production is dead shit for brains. Alt-right losers clowning themselves into the utopian socialism of Saint Simon and Proudhon is so fucking funny to me.

>>7668613
Also obligatory

>>7668613
>>7668618
>alt-right
Ethnostates are retarded and unjust.
Not just because oppressing people based on race is bad, but because states are just thugs.
>utopian socialism.
The moment someone tries to expropriate my property they get a hole in their lung that an EMT won't be able to patch up.

Also you seem to believe that I advocated for some kind of economic relations, when I'm simply telling you that the amount of giga multinationals means we're running into proof of the Economic Calculation Problem multiple times a day, and that technology allows smaller companies and individuals to be exceedingly nimble in meeting these needs (rewarded with profit) once the artificial barriers to doing so crumble. Which they seem on track to, to the displeasure of bureaucrats.

>>7667979
>disingenuous nigger has spoken
You are not enough intelligent to see that "porn" and "won't somebody think of the children" are always excuses, and just the first step for censorship.
You are so dumb that you could not even recognize we are at the second step already. Several non-porn games were wiped out from Itch.io, and the most notable one was Fear&Hunger.

>>7668628
Holy fuck youre dumber than I thought if you think a 20 person company staffed by rednecks is going to compete with a Chinese dark factory. Anyway I don't speak with people that have an IQ lower than 110, youre genetic floatsam.

>>7668646
Thank you for the economically illiterate, CCP-glazing post, Mr Chang. Your $1 (wow, inflation!) will be deposited into your account soon.

>>7668715
>economically illiterate,
<doesnt know what economies of scale are
<misses the actual crux of the ECP
Like I said too stupid to talk to. This comment is just a warning to the other anons itt

>>7666886
Horror games are going now.

But yeah lets keep talking about the degen porn stuff from day 1 and ignore everything else.

Slippery slope is real when someone proves themselves to be this way time and time again.

>>7668729
>He thinks the CCP will just magically be unaffected by this global phenomena and still be operating its slave labor and sweatshops
Like I said, economically illiterate

>>7668759
>Horror games are going now.
the coffin for Andy and Leyley got completely removed, not even censored, and that is not a porn game either. The list is only going to grow

>>7668759
>"Direct it towards them"
The ACLU filed a formal complaint to the US government in 2023 and it went fucking nowhere.

https://assets.aclu.org/live/uploads/2023/08/Mastercard-Complaint-Final.pdf


>Problem caused by governments imposing regulations both domestically and across the globe
>Regulatory capture is obvious
>Use of the financial system to expand the surveillance state as part of the quid pro quo
>GEE GUYS, HOW ABOUT MORE REGULATION FROM THE PEOPLE ENABLING THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE!?
>SURELY THAT WILL SOLVE THE PROBLEM!

Proglodytes really will just waste all their energy if you just tell give them some kind of no-name conservative group to scapegoat as the source of their problems. And then they burn themselves out having fun with whack-a-mole, and the ratchet of authoritarianism continues to click on.

>>7668776
what do you suggest we do

>>7668782
ever watched Falling Down?

>>7668761
>for updates on how to play my banned game, follow me on twitter
>due to local laws, this post is unavailable
we are beyond fucked

>>7668782
Inform people about the actual source of the problems so they stop wasting their energy. Encourage building resilient networks.

Setting up your website and never EVER put your eggs all in one basket. A combo of self-hosting your stuff and using decentralized networks whenever possible are all very good options, in addition to standard "public" sites. Those latter ones are for advertisement, so that you don't have bullshit like this happen >>7668787

Meaning make use of nostr, misskey, mastodon, various self-hostable chat options like revolt.chat and matrix.
Start looking into, at minimum, payment processors that deal with high risk businesses, and learn how crypto works so you can transition to that in a worst case scenario.

Also for a worst-case scenario, TOR, i2p, IPFS and mesh networks are worth keeping tabs on so you have fallback plans.

I'm not a fa/g/, so there's probably more I'm missing. But it's at least a good practical start to being censorship-resistant without going anywhere near full "turning your room into faraday cage" like Shaggy.

>>7668809
>Setting up your website
if you make your own website you also have to follow all the bullshit regulations that made you migrate away from the bigger social media.

>>7668809
dude, you solution is to literally push yourself into darker and darker corners of the internet just to try and survive, that's exactly what they want you to do.

>>7668826
At least the UK's one does not apply that to "web 1.0 style" websites where users cannot post content.

>>7668833
That's incorrect. They want you to be unable to at all, to crush you and force you to either kill yourself or fall in line.

>>7668782
Protest, call your representatives and let them know they need to do something, make reports to the payment processors ethics hotlines.

>>7668853
>Representatives
Many of them are not just complicit, but actively trying to get shit like this done. "Won't someone do something!" will result in more garbage happening.
>make reports to the payment processors ethics hotlines
AHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHHA

>>7668853
>Protest
In the UK hundreds of thousands signed for the repeal of the online safety act and the government literally responded "we don't want to, please stop resisting"
>call your representatives
in the EU parliament virtually everyone actively wants to pass this law, even the ones against von der leyen's governments, calling EU politicians has never done shit, and afaik the same goes for the US. I don't want to doompost too much, but I don't see a way out, they want to crush us and we don't have any way to fight back.

>>7668782
Time for even more normalfags to get into monero, openPGP, money orders, cash mailing, VPSs, DNS, OpenNIC, tor, VPNs, softether, obfs4, freenet, et cetera.
>>7668809
It'll be fun to see all the people who poohpoohed and mocked basic compsec and netsec practices few years ago jump through their asses to get set up with it. I'm not complaining; a more resilient network is better for all those who participate.
>>7668826
Host in a country whose laws you like.
>>7668833
>darker and darker corners of the internet
LOL that's a marketing image dreamed up by large Internet companies and the people who use them. Use of the Internet was always meant to be distributed; you and a whole lot of other people just aren't used to that reality yet.

>>7668938
I forgot to mention DNScrypt. You might want to start with that since it's relatively cheap, easy, and effective against your ISP

>corporations fund feminism
>it is Karen's paradise since 2011
>me too movement
>go woke
>go DEI
>things broke
>products and games fail to launch
>everything sucks
>blame man instead of self reflection
>man walked away
>man reject feminists
>man reject woke
>man stop finding first world women attractive enough to marry
>man pump and dump first world women
>Karen's blame porn instead of themselves
>want to ban porn claiming it is bad for society instead of reflecting on themselves
why are feminists and weak men like this? Do they not have the decency for self reflection? This Mastercard and visa shit is just another example their infection, they are parasitic.

>>7668978
They are a scapegoat, they have no actual power. Read the damn thread you piece of shit.

>>7668984
They are not, they are doing the corporations bidding, because corporations funded feminism.

>>7668986
>corporations funded feminism.
>corporations funded the social movement that has been ongoing since the 19th century but somehow only existed since 2011 because that's when you first became aware of it due to anti sjw vids on youtube

>>7668986
It's unrelated to this, MC also gives migrants cards because they just want to be able to show growth to their shareholders.

It's the 1-2 punch of shareholder value and partnering with the surveillance state for preferential treatment.

>>7668978
>>7668986
and the corporations sit there in their, i-in their corporation buildings and, and and see that's, they're all corporation-y, and they make money.

>>7668987
Feminism started since world war 2. Those cunts was crying about rights when their fathers, husbands, sons, and brothers are fighting a war. They got their rights to vote, when the men who return from the war want to fix the government. The same government allowed those women to vote. And now we live in the sin if the father. The corporations have been using women to control government ever since. But it is not until 2011, the corporations realize women can be weaponized to push for the most retarded ideas, woke, DEI, all forms of power grab. That is when the funds truly pour in. It's all for control and power over man and government. It's not that hard anon.

Soon all your art will have no audience if it’s not sanitized for children.

Does it upset you that you will not have a legacy after you die?

People have been actively calling VISA and Mastercard, their phonelines are struggling to handle the influx of calls and their staff are starting to lose their shit.

>>7669067
source: my ass

>>7669067
Their stock prices haven't dipped to any significant degree

>>7668978
>irony; the post
all nsfw had to ever do is not trying to desperately break into the normiesphere and show normies and shitskins you can make money spamming porn of shonen anime

Porntards are just as retarded as the feminists just in the other ideological extreme

>>7669129
>normie sphere
>had to come up with new word to beat the straw man
How about you grow up, only start talking when you are 30, you are too immature to be around adults.

>>7669129
>look you MADE me stab you, you were just SO annoying, I can't help but stab people who annoy me too much
One day you will violently lash out at the wrong person for no reason other than annoyance, and he or she will rightfully put you in the ground.

Actually, this should be the fate of all people who aggress upon others.

>>7668853
>call your representatives and let them know they need to do something
This is how I know you fucking porn addicts don't live in reality. What politician in there right mind is going to commit career suicide in the name of incest loli rape being more accessible to the public. God you tards all live in a cum filled bubble.

>>7669181
>he thinks that's not why they'll do nothing
A politician can frame whatever he wants, however he wants. He can claim its for freedom of the arts or partner with the ACLU or whatever the fuck.

The reason he won't is because most of the scumbags in office are authoritarian shitbags whose only aim is to increase governmental (their own) power and control.

>>7669181
Anon, it takes about 5 calls to these retards to change their minds on how they're about to vote. It's hilariously easy.

>incest loli rape
Yeah not even talking about incest loli rape, that escalated into payment processors attacking normal shit on literally day 2 of this crap anyways. How is it you post so much but you're so very behind? Are you just this dumb?

We're talking about processors taking down everything they dislike, including regular horror games, EDs, suicide attempts, or characters even mentioning in text or implying that they'd ever been raped at some point. These things are heavy but not illegal, they shouldn't be treated as such.

You're so stuck on loli this and loli that all the time. When someone protests something so overly passionately, it usually means they're into it and trying to hide it by screeching and pointing at others...

>>7668875
>In the UK
>In the EU
Nah brother you retards are COOKED and all hope is lost for you. You allowed this to happen to yourselves, reap what you sow (or more accurately you sit on your ass watching others sow and do nothing about), have fun with your nanny state mass surveillance shit where you have to submit biometrics and ID (which will be sold to the highest bidder in addition to all your internet activity) to read fucking wikipedia and the news because you can't be assed to raise your children yourselves or learn to use parental controls.

We won't miss you next week when VPNs are made illegal! :)

>>7669220
>because you can't be assed to raise your children yourselves or learn to use parental controls
That doesn't justify shit. They let this happen to themselves because they got their heads so far up their asses with trying to 1-up americans that they valorized the psychotic bureucrats that live over them.

You know how many eurotards think the EU is "good about consumer protection"? They seem shocked and confused when I tell them that the EU is just a protectionist authoritarian federation who only does "protectionist" things when it stands to hurt american companies. If it would damage EU companies well - suddenly it looks worse than the US!

Gee it's almost like governments are run by gangs of well-dressed thugs who should not be violently oppressing people. I wonder what they will think of next?

>>7669173
>new word
>questioning the age of others
You're just illiterate. That word is self explanatory.
>>7669175
This thread has been up a week and you're still raging.
Lmao nothing will change by seething on here and everyone is cheering your downfall

get fucked

now that porn is banned normies will be forced to consume MY slop

>>7669246
>maxresdefault

>>7669246
Being a cumgurglinghoe. Please stop Karen, go back to the shit hole you come from. Stay locked and in door, and keep away from the internet, for your own safety.

>>7669220
>>7669241
you guys are acting as if it wasn't singular US states to first introduce internet porn ban and as if you don't already have a bill ready to pass Congress that's even more draconian then what the UK did and the EU is planning to do, our shithead politicians just copy whatever you mutts do, it's always been like, we are an American colony, and now a test ground for censorship laws. We are under the same masters and what's happening to us is going to happen to you too.

>>7665613
What is this brainrot where you just shriek "IT'S LEGAL SO IT'S GOOD" in response to any criticism of a company? People on both the left and right do this.

>>7669329
We've had this act come through before and it got shot down. This one will too. Shut the fuck up, eurotrash.

>>7665613
>Private company, buddy.
>What are you going to do about it?
Probably this

>>7669246
>and everyone is cheering your downfall
Everyone is mad as fuck that the governments are using this as an excuse to censor anything they don't like. And even if a lot of people were actually in agreement with it, it still would be impermissable.

I predict that Luty's book is getting a lot of downloads now! It's under a creative commons license too, so it's free to grab and share!

>>7669329
To my understanding, South Korea is who started with requiring some form of ID for a shitload of online services. You could not even sign up for free KMMOs in the 00s without some kind of Korean ID number. It's a bit different than what we have here but it's something like the prototype as far as I can tell. Maybe some other authoritarian-ruled countries did this early on too, I'm not sure.

The EU and UK shit has been in deliberation for a long time as well. KOSA in the US has been dying in committee since it was first introduced in 2021-2022. States were PASSING laws first but the state legislative process is usually faster. I don't know who actually came up with the current form of fucking ID checks.

>>7669032
The only art that will still be around in 100-5000 years will be whatever the fuck this shit is.

Call me a catholic commie tranny nazi all you want, but what the fuck were you niggers expecting? You flooded social media with porn. a shitton of barely cropped porn and camwhores with 30 trillion followers everywhere. Artstation was full of "nude version on my patreon" shit. You invaded "SFW" spaces with porn harder than nafris are invading Europe. You pushed to the absolute limit. If you're not a pornbrained nigger the situation is insufferable. Everywhere you go there's porn in your face with no filter or opt-in. Because you INTENTIONALLY never tag your porn, to evade filters, so you could reach as many people as possible. One time I googled Super Mario cause I wanted to print coloring book shit for the kids, and there was porn of Super Mario fucking Luigi in the ass. This was before AIslop so I imagine it's even worse now. Legitimately, what the fuck did you expect? Imagine going around with your dick out in broad daylight and taking a shit on the sidewalk, every day, being as obnoxious and loud as possible, and when they finally call the cops you go "AAAAA WOE IS ME DEMOCRACY MANIFEST".
Will the joos use this to grip everyone by the balls and control internet speech? Absolutely. Is this just an excuse? Yes absolutely. All the people at the top are pedos and rapists so of course they don't give a fuck. But you were the people who gave them the perfect excuse to do this. You made so that there's nothing wrong with the censorship because you were just that insufferable.
Can you just own up to your own actions, just once? One fucking time? Can you just say "I am a faggot" for once? You could have stayed on porn sites. You chose to act like this and you made things worse for everyone. So I hope you get cancer in your balls, you fucking pieces of shit. Faggots and simps. Thank you for ruining things even further for EVERYONE with your goddamn spic nigger faggotry. If I could choose to keep my freedom and have all of you executed by boiling I would sign immediately.

>>7669806
Based and true, should've been less blatantly degenerate coomerfags.
On the bright side less porn mean you'll draw more, right anon? You do care more about getting good than jerking off right?

>>7669806
Hey man I mark all my shit as adult so people don't find it and I encouraged everyone else to for the exact reason you encountered. Many artists saw it as "technically, there's no nipples so it qualifies as PG-13 right?" when the real reason to tag things is so that people like you, or worse, actively anti-porn retards, don't see your art and throw a shitfit. Only the people looking for it do.

Honestly, part of the problem here is that it's known that a lot of algorithms DEPRIORITIZE you if you do any kind of NSFW content. But also, the algos DO actually reccomend NSFW content to people who specifically want it. This giant misunderstanding has led to people trying to game the system to avoid getting suppressed. But also they have a poor conception of how you make money and gain reach as an artist (SFW OR NSFW both) in the first place.

You can also pin this on the websites having no real mechanism for reporting "this is NSFW content but not flagged as it" (same with AI content). The death of both LiveLeak and Pornhub was also a huge problem since user-made video content then was shoved everywhere else.

I'm one of the few people who fucking goes "Hey maybe you should actually act like a professional with your self-run art business" to artists, but soooooo many, both NSFW and SFW, can't even be bothered to record their transactions properly for tax purposes.
>"OMG I HAVE TO PAY $2000 in taxes WTF"
>Quite literally could have written off the new computer, chair, manga they bought, movies they saw, pen nibs, etc. but didn't because that would be effort

Also most of these retards either spam tags that are irrelevant or put NONE in. Yes, putting #FEMALE on FUTA art is going to get people mad. Yes 0 tags on your art, including not putting "girlcock" or something innocuous, for an image of your MTF OC with a bikini bulge and nothing in the desc besides a patreon link, is going to get people mad. Yes your fantasy comic has no views because people can't find it.

Cont because I fucking have so many issues and people ignored me >>7669911

To reiterate, I don't WANT people who don't want to, or shouldn't, see my coom art to. I even mark all my NON-coom art as mature content because I operate as an adult-oriented business. Casinos sell non-alcoholic beverages but children are not allowed inside. Similarly, it's a bad idea for a recovering alcoholic or anti-drinking activist to eat in a place with a big focus on alcohol, so it's good for them to know what the restaurant they are going to is like without having to enter.
And likewise, the people who DO want to go to such establishments don't want their day ruined by kids or people who obviously have gone to the wrong place.

This is just called knowing your target audience and marketing yourself effectively. But for SOME FUCKING REASON a lot of artists act allergic to anything business-minded. It's absolutely infantile how so many behave, it's like they're just begging to fail so they can be forced to get a normie job. Or maybe because it validates their self-destructive perception of themselves.

And again this isn't limited to NSFW, loads of SFW artists - and hell, non-titillating NSFW artists like gore/horror artists - are fucking retards as well in the exact same way, they just don't have the problem of content bans affecting them so they barely learn.
>Oh I don't do porn, I just do gore art that expresses the pain of LGBT existence.
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN I'M BANNED HOW COULD MY PAINTINGS OF TRANSGIRLS BLEEDING ON THE FLOOR BE INAPPROPRIATE I'M NOT DOING PORN

>Oh I don't do porn, I just do body-positive drawings that express the diversity of humans, it's not for jerking off
>OMG MY PAYPAL WAS JUST BANNED?? THESE ARE TASTEFUL NUDES

>I do gigeresque horror art. It just looks cool to me, I love body horror and several people have gotten tattoos of my work. There's some nudity but it's grotesque and disturbing, like I said giger is a big influence
>GUYS HELP I GOT BANNED OFF KO-FI

One more thing to add to my rant >>7669911
>>7669936

The people bitching or celebrating about this being a retaliation against NSFW artists are completely offbase. This was going to happen anyway, even if all the coom artists acted professionally about it.

It just would have been branded under hate speech or anti-terrorism or anti-trafficking or some other nonsense - I won't give feds more ammo if they are reading here for some reason, and I'd presume some are.

The fucking state is going to use every excuse in the book to grab more power. It is an armed band of thugs.

>>7669806
holy based pasta

>>7669806
stop trying to make the internet a place only for kids, stop treating porn as a lower form of art and stop trying to hide it even to people that want to watch it, relegating it to dark corners of the internet, and maybe nsfw artists won't be forced to try and game the system. Just give porn it's proper, respectable place on the internet and allow people to make money out of it without constantly fearing of being banned and all of this could have been avoided. You know now what it's going to happen instead? I can't hope that my twitter post will be retweeted and seen by the many people that want to see it anymore, I can't hope that my porn game will be found by the people that browse the nsfw tag on itch because it doesn't fucking exists anymore, so now to publicize it I'll just flood tiktok, YouTube and Instagram with cropped scenes of it, you forbid me to make money out of it? We'll just get pushed to shadier and shadier websites that don't care who the victims are. What you're complaining about will only get worse, porn will never disappear.

>>7669806
>Can you just own up to your own actions, just once
parents put children in front of the screen 24/7 and refuse to properly educate them or even control what they see despite the many free and accessible ways to do it, then they cry to the government that was just waiting for an excuse to censor the internet and take away everyone's freedom. This is not porn artist's fault, the internet has never been a safe space, you're on fucking 4chan, you should know it.

>>7669806
Schizo, but based

>>7669991
There is a respectable place on the internet for porn, and they're called porn sites. Xvideos aint gonna ban you for posting porn. No one cares that porn sites exist. What's I care about is that it's impossible to browse Twitter in public without giant anime tits inevitably showing up regardless of who I follow and what settings I use.

Yes anon shoot the speaker because the pointer of things is actually the mastermind behind the current events and anyone who doesn't sing

Ah and don't forget to shift the blame on everyone else except your own people and how they upload porn on 13+ platforms without age restricting it

Why do porntards always have to be this insufferable disingenuous?
It's so fucking ironic that the people dying on the porn hill argue and reason like children
it's absolutely fucking insane
You "people" deserve to be censored so you at least shut the fuck up for good

>>7669991
>you forbid me to make money out of it?
Actually now that I think of it, this is ultimately the goal they have, isn't it? To cut people off of the ability to live doing things that some other people hate.
They want conformity. They want you to be FORCED to participate in THEIR society. They don't want parallel societies to be made, they want you to submit. They want to fill the hierarchy with people below them under threat of death-by-starvation.

Too fucking bad. The genie is out of the bottle, and there is NO requirement for conformity anymore.

"Just make your own content if you don't like it"
>Does so, publishers and platforms are campaigned to block it
"Well, make your own platforms and publishers, we don't want that stuff here"
>Attempt to do so, payment systems tattled to about it
"Well fuck you, it's HIGH RISK so of course they don't want it there, and neither do we. Make your own payment system if you don't like the rules the rest of us do."
>Attempt to do so, laws blockade and try to regulate it into the ground
"Well of course the law is against you, what did you expect? You're just degenerates who don't belong in our society."
>I remember what happened each time a new country tries to form by secession

Yes anon, everything that happens is the culture tribal war.
They forbid you to do things because they are hecking jealous of your epic porn.
You should post more porn animations on youtube, Anon.

>>7670015
>What's I care about is that it's impossible to browse Twitter in public without giant anime tits inevitably showing up regardless of who I follow and what settings I use.
This is likely because you're a retarded normie and let your data get gobbled up and passed around like a cheap whore, so twitter knows you like anime tits due to some other app or website tracking you. Twitter is a marketing website, you're getting marketed to. Learn to curate your online presence fucker.
>>7670018
>You "people" deserve to be censored so you at least shut the fuck up for good
People who attempt to violently oppress others give up their right to bodily integrity. Estoppel bro.

>>7670022
>They forbid you to do things because they are hecking jealous of your epic porn.
Not what I said. They forbid it out of a variety of reasons, but the fucking point is that they won't leave us alone even if we DO have some nice places to post and share this shit.

And of course there's fuckheads that spam garbage everywhere to try to scam people by baiting them with tits. There always have been, the only difference now is the resolution of the pics and videos is higher. And some people are retards who act desperate or with 0 sense. Does that mean everyone else has to take a hit? Fuck off.
And beyond that, "cropped porn" or "barely clothes" stuff? Risque shit is in music videos, advertising on bus stations, in magazines, and on TV. There's sex scenes in AAA games and BIG SCREEN movies. Starship Troopers has full-frontal nudity!

This is beside the point that ever since the fucking 90s people have KNOWN that a major part of the internet is porn. A huge amount of it. This isn't new, it has been this way for decades. There are old memes and jokes and a fucking SONG about it.
So, arguably, this is you fucks taking over OUR space and then trying to kick us out.

Mind your own fucking business. Stop trying to fuck us over.
>butbutbut all that stuff is DIFFERENT because it only goes so far and is contained to official-
Nobody in this space making NSFW art gives a fuck about partnering with porn companies. That horse has not just left the stable but it was found dead 6 miles along the road. We are almost entirely catering to niche audiences, the very POINT is that we don't want to participate in normie society. We are weird, we embrace being weird. We don't want to fit in. The harder you try to force us to, the more we will resist.

>>7670015
>it's impossible to browse Twitter in public
twitter allows both graphic videos of people getting dismembered after hitting a mine during a war, celebrity gossip, politics and drawings of anime tiddies, mature content is blurred by default and you get banned if you don't properly tag your posts, but t's meant to be a public board with little limitation, I'm sorry it wasn't monitored enough for your tastes, maybe you should go back to YouTube Kids and watch baby shark next time you're in public.

>>7669806
I mean just look at /co/ and /a/. could you honestly browse the catalogues now and not see how most of their posts are just /b/ lite-tier trash?

all of this shit is jannie ordained. so is everywhere else. the coomer infestation is real.
>inb4 muh puritains

>>7670225
/b/ and /pol/ are invested with eternal summer because newfags think 4chan is a heckin edgy COD lobby site so the actual /b/tards moved to other places. That includes other boards and other sites.

>>7665434
people think we deported all the criminals to australia, actually we deported all the really annoying people, in retrospect it was a huge mistake.

>>7670034
>the more we will resist
You will do nothing of note, while posting rant after rant anonymously. You will crumple as soon as there is any hint of IRL repercussion. I know people like you.

Fuck the Visa and MasterCard monopoly!!

>>7665420 (OP)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
We need a new Luigi

>>7673546
massacard dindu nuffin

>>7673546
funny how mastercard AND the xitter users dont still refuse to specify what content Collective Shout wanted to ban off platforms.
one dishonestly plays the law card and the other still just calls it "adult" content

Dear Gaben,
I want to purchase game in Bitcoin please.
Thank you for understanding.
Ok by.

>>7673881
>and the other still just calls it "adult" content
The point is that weren't banned only pornographic games.

Sentences like "won't somebody think of the children" are dishonestly used to introduce censorship or invasive control, just like the UK is openly doing (they are even using the same buzz words).

In fact, the ban of the most extreme content is not the only thing that happened, and we are already in the next step.

After the victory over Steam, then it was the turn on Itch.io, which has banned every single game tagged nsfw, that includes several horror games.

One of the most notable horror games banned is Fear&Hunger, considered a masterpiece, and even a new genre of game (funger-like) which is something hard to do.

What next? Violent games? Games with weapons?

>>7674163
yeah, but again itch didnt HAVE to ban all NSFW games. they chose to do that and no one is flaming itch at all. shittubers made bait videos about how valve "bent the knee" but still have a fucking million NSFW games up and listed after nuking abuse games.

this entire conversation is dishonest and fucked by both sides and they are hoping to scare you with every boogyman they can think of

>>7674253
We can't know what actually happened. Surely we can't trust anything Mastercard >>7673546 and Visa say.

It's possible that Itch.io banned all nsfw due to laziness, and went for a 1 click solution.

The fuckers here acting better than it all will be sad when literally every game jot Winnie the Pooh tier are taken off he market. They even went after Detroit Become Human and Mouthwashing, they want to censor far more than just porn.
Retards, don't bend over for the corporate overlords.

The fuckers here acting better than it all will be sad when literally every game that's not Winnie the Pooh tier are taken off the market. They even went after Detroit Become Human and Mouthwashing, they want to censor far more than just porn.
Retards, don't bend over for the corporate overlords.