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Anonymous No.7666859 >>7666868 >>7666873 >>7666917 >>7666997 >>7667562 >>7673969 >>7674181
What happened to art in this 20 year period??
Anonymous No.7666868 >>7666944
>>7666859 (OP)
Basically, postmodernism.
Anonymous No.7666873
>>7666859 (OP)
One of your paintings is very much not like the others OP
Anonymous No.7666874
>postmodernism happened at the turn of the 19th century, before modernism
Based retard.
Anonymous No.7666878
You do realize last painting wasn't intended to be seen by the public
Anonymous No.7666917
>>7666859 (OP)
French Revolution, Napoleon, Romanticism. It all happened within the span of 30 years.
Anonymous No.7666944 >>7666974
>>7666868
>Goya is postmodernist

what are we then post-post-post-post-post modernists ?
Anonymous No.7666974 >>7667000 >>7667000
>>7666944
It's the /trad/ schizo that calls everything postmodernism while unironically painting semi-realistic anime
Anonymous No.7666997
>>7666859 (OP)
The French Revolution happened
Anonymous No.7667000 >>7667008 >>7667048
>>7666974
>>7666974
But i did it ironically, you lose!
Anonymous No.7667008 >>7667020
>>7667000
>In opposition to modernism's alleged self-seriousness, postmodernism is characterized by its playful use of eclectic styles and performative irony
Anonymous No.7667020 >>7667033
>>7667008
So, i wanted to show, how stupid this approach is. I won again.
Anonymous No.7667033 >>7667052
>>7667020
>doesn't understand the meaning of irony either
You're just saying you did it ironically again. You're the postmodernist.
Anonymous No.7667048 >>7667052
>>7667000
>But i did it ironically
so you unironically did postmodernist work
Anonymous No.7667052 >>7667065
>>7667033
>>7667048
Pic related, lol.
Anonymous No.7667065
>>7667052
nice postmodernist meme
Anonymous No.7667562
>>7666859 (OP)
Romanicism is just the proto-emo movement
Anonymous No.7673511 >>7673519
In the time before the renaissance, art was mostly a way to practice expensive religious devotion, like building a cathedral. Like most of medieval culture, the main focus was on the next life and man's devotion to it, so depicting the world as it is, wasn't really a necessity.
During the renaissance, art adopted mathematical precision, since the invention of the printing press meant that diagrams and maps could be consistently depicted the same, so accuracy became important for artists. This moved the subject of art from the spiritual to the real. Creating rules on things like proportion and perspective. This meant that artists became very interested in drawing the world around them. They went from custodians of a spiritual and religious culture to observers of nature, architects, naturalists, scientists etc.
From the renaissance, and this focus on the natural world artists begin depicting scenes of nature, and the Greco Roman Gods who were personifications of nature in this idealized way. People also adopt higher philosophies on life than the focus on spiritual guidance of the medieval world. From this enlightened thinking comes Baroque art, a way to idealized and exemplify the aesthetics of nature. Art and aesthetics are now an aesthetic component of the new enlightenment philosophies.
Then the subjects change from abstract ideals and nature to portraits of people. Now portraits had always been a way to flex on your peers, since art is expensive. But the amount of wealth people have now has become fucking insane. Since the long term effect of those maps and diagrams that are finally mathematically consistent in the renaissance is that suddenly the world can be navigated and that opens up trade. And from this mercantilism, land owners become insanely fucking wealthy. So now you can higher a baroque painter to depict how wealthy you are, by making YOU the idealized subject of his heightened aesthetic.
This is how we get to arrive at Rococo art.
Anonymous No.7673519
>>7673511
So art goes from being a spiritual practice to a dick measuring contest for a wealthy land owning gentry. The aesthetics have been tuned up to a visual peak but the subject matter has fallen into this pit of vapid, narcissistic, philosophically underwhelming emptiness.
However as those enlightened ideas progress, and the wealth of the land owners moves from domestic farming to international trade, banking and manifesting, cities are starting to get big. Trade means food can be exported and imported, populations are fluctuating but growing. With the enlightened thinking comes the disintegration of the cultural caste system based on religious beliefs from the medieval era. The spread of the printed word means that more people than ever can read and write and have reason to learn to read and write. This means the religious text is no longer the guarded property of the church and the land owners. The enlightenment takes further leaps into liberating the common people from these role of serfdom. Art follows and leaves behind the landed gentry as a subject. So artists take the realism and idealism they've culturally attained and turn them to other subjects. Some go back to nature, where the Romanticists indulge in the sublime and raw terrifying beautiful scale of nature. Some go to ideas like nationalism, where the Neo-Classicists explore ideas like the national character and civic philosophy. And some take the subject to the huddled masses, the urban poor, filling up the world at an alarming rate, in a school of painting called Realism.
The subjects like military, revolution, industrialism, poverty, race, exploration, nature all kind of hit the scene as the clashing and shoving ideological conclusions of the renaissance era and the western world's rapid changes arrive on scene. Mass conflict, political upheaval and hungry mobs follow.
So to answer OP's original question The 19th century feels like a sudden busy mess becuause it was. And the art reflects that
Anonymous No.7673969
>>7666859 (OP)
The short version is that more people in europe learned how to read and write as Europe became rich from their colonies so the church style of rococo faded away as what historians called "age of enlightenment" took over.
Anonymous No.7674016
commission vs guy painting his own house
Anonymous No.7674181
>>7666859 (OP)
the french revolution killed romanticism and brought in realism