Thread 7671525

Remember, draftmanship doesn't matter as long as your art has SOVL

>>7671525 (OP)
this kind of art will only grow more valuable as "perfection" becomes the hallmark of automation and consumption.

>>7671525 (OP)
soolfag here- Draftsmanship 100% matters. What's important is that you dont lose your personal touch in the pursuit of perfection. Which is easy, just make things you genuinely enjoy while working to improve your results.

>>7671537
Also forgot to mention but rave master was started in the 90s when the average skill of mangaka was MUCH lower. Not that you need to mog everyone in sight but at the very least be good enough to pull off appealing illustrations.

>>7671525 (OP)
What an awful fucking example

>>7671529
The opposite is also true. AI can only imitate intent, but you as an artist can only have full intent in your art if you have a strong grasp of fundamentals informing the intention behind every stroke.

>>7671525 (OP)
If you draw like that you're going to have a tough time pulling an audience. Like every failed indie finding out there isn't a giant audience for NES/SNES pixel art - what worked in the 80s and 90s isn't guaranteed to work now.

>>7671525 (OP)
>Remember, draftmanship doesn't matter as long as your art has SOVL

Draftsmanship in COMIC BOOKS doesn't really matter that much because it has dialogs.

>>7671525 (OP)
In manga, what matters first and foremost is that the story is compelling and the art supports the story by being clear and readable. This is a cover illustration. He's done a great job conveying the personalities of those characters with facial expressions, body language and clothing. The illustration is also colorful, eye-catching and fun. Sure, it's not an example of masterful draftsmanship but it doesn't have to be. It falls under the umbrella of cartooning or humorous illustration, in which the priorities are different than in serious illustration or fine art.

>>7671541
People give the /mmg/ anons a hard time but I am convinced that were we at those earlier times' standards and had it all been in moonrunes originally, a few of them would have seen at least low tier success.

>>7671525 (OP)
The dumb localizers took the back cover and did some shitty photoshopping to turn it into the front cover

>>7671618
This is not the dub you think it is.

>>7671618
mmg anons never fail to be delusional begs

>>7671525 (OP)
>draftmanship doesn't matter
It matters if that's your specialty. There's different types of comics.

>>7671525 (OP)
art is a packaged deal, and mediocre visual presentation can be easily uplifted with good writing, an interesting premise, a novel presentation, and many other ways. plus, sometimes, people just like what they like.
/thread

>>7672349
everyone in there seems pretty humble to me, not seeing this "delusion" at all

>>7672479
Then you must be extremely autistic, because that thread is full of crabs who actively discourage others from practicing their art. They also talk badly about well-established mangaka whose art and storytelling are far superior. I've seen the work that anons post there, it's unappealing, poorly made, and the stories are incoherent. Yet they still blame others for their lack of success.

>>7671525 (OP)
I'm playing by different rules than everyone else. I have to be completely perfect and optimal every second of every day because if I get complacent even ONCE then the universe will relentlessly shit on me AND say I deserve it.

>>7672611
I'm gonna be honest, you sound like a schizo that was btfo by them so you're here spreading stories because you're still mad.

>>7672611
>that thread is full of crabs who actively discourage others from practicing their art
Are we looking at the same thread? I don't see that in there at all other than an anon who keeps bemoaning about how it's all joever for him without ever posting a page.

>>7671541
This. They gave picrel shitter a chance back in the day. He would have never made it in 2025

>>7671525 (OP)
Hiro Mashima is so funny, he learned to draw from tracing manga his Gramps picked from the trash, and he said on his Youtube channel that he can't into realism art even after decades of drawing yet /ic/ beglets insist that fundies are a must for anime and manga art...
He's a dropout and most of his manga "art training" came from watching how movies frame their scenes.
No drawing books, no video courses, just tracing ...
>>7672450
>mediocre visual presentation can be easily uplifted with good writing
I agree with you but Mashima storytelling skills are a joke, everything is mediocre.

>>7672725
It all depends on what you want out of your art.

If you want to tell stories through comics, you can get away with a different skillset than someone who wants to do something like concept art.

This doesn't mean you don't learn any fundamentals though, but this guy learned them through tracing comics he enjoys, rather than grinding out studies he doesn't care about.

>>7672364
he just like me for real

>>7671525 (OP)
If you're 30 years old and saying "one day I can become like that!" about something that was made when the artist was 22, it might be unironically over for you.
Making this kinda stuff is fine when you're only 2 years removed from the legal drinking age and basically still a kid at heart, but if you're at the age where your parents were getting married and making stuff that looks like this, its not cute anymore, its sad.

>>7673638
medicine is better now. you faggot will live up to a hundred, wether you like it or not! strap in, faggot! 30 is the new 20! defeatist loser!

>>7672611
>crabs who actively discourage others from practicing their art.
no? at most they tell you to not go out of your way to grind boxes in a void and to draw more manga, but if your goal is to make manga then drawing manga is the practice you should do

Genuinely, what is this Rave thing even about and is it better or worse than Jujutsu Kaisen?

>>7671525 (OP)
you should be aiming to have both.

>>7672641
the gesture looks really nice