Thread 7674195

Why do most people stop commenting on artwork nowadays?

>>7674195 (OP)
It's the weird vocal minority with aspd that are weird cunts that ruin it for people who don't want a scizo messaging them 100 times

People aren't posting anywhere anymore in general
>say anything
>get insulted
>most people just want to farm anyway so everyone is farming and trying to farm each other
that twatter post is also engagement bait
everything is just fake and gay now

>>7674195 (OP)
Redpill me on this. So many more artists out there, but so few comments.

>>7674202
When do you think it got like this the introduction of twitter and reddit. Which fragmented forums into a sanitized shit pit ?

>>7674195 (OP)
I always comment or quote retweet when I have something to say about someone's art. This is a (you) problem.

>>7674195 (OP)
>comment on artwork
>"GREAT JOB, I LOVE THE COLORS"
>Art Community saved

>>7674195 (OP)
Here is the "artist" behind it btw

>>7674206
It's not a matter of when, although 2015 is a good guess, but more or less a matter of mindsets and goals.

Maybe the exact moment art communities went to shit was when it became common knowledge that you could make money on the internet with semi realistically rendered pin ups of animevideogame girls.
What was his name Sakana-kun or something? He is to blame

>>7674195 (OP)
People stay away from comments sections nowadays because it's mostly bots.

I miss the old art communities, before discord and reddit consumed them all. Both places have a meta that is grating and the latter repulsive to me. No I'm in this prison, all my ex art friends either quit are as anti-social as me... It sucks.

>>7674195 (OP)
I mean, hes right. The mindless scrolling and engagement farming kills proper community, replacing it with trend chasing and the slop hose.

>>7674195 (OP)
"Becoming friends" was ruined by callout culture incentivizing clout chasing retards to turn against you on a dime and "put you on blast" over some dumb shit, usually a political pet clause. No one is friends anymore because you don't know who you can trust anymore.

>>7674195 (OP)
Because the big social media websites don't really encourage commenting on, or even looking at for any reasonable length of time, any images or artworks - it takes away from the time you could be scrolling through your timeline after all.

Deviantart (and older art sites) would sort of encourage commenting, because to enlarge a work would take you to a separate page causing you to slow down and really force you to engage with the art work.
Enlarging an image on twitter will keeps you on the timeline to ensure you keep scrolling.

There's also the fact that twitter isn't really a 'space for artists', nor is instagram, or any other social media site. Deviantart was, Tumblr wasn't made to be but simply became one because of its audience, and this ecosystem encourages greater engagement because you have common ground with the people on the site.

So ultimately, I think this is a self made issue for the art community. They wanted a bigger audience, and went onto normie platforms, and are now upset that the art community has become diluted and watered down by the normies.
If the art community weren't full of fame seeking attention whores, they would have come together onto a small niche art community site again, but that wouldn't satisfy they're dopamine riddled brains so they don't.

>>7674212
Kind of, yeah.
I'm sure every time you post a drawing on here (you have posted a drawing here before... right?), you get a little kick out of any positive (you)s. These things encourage you and have a lot more impact than simply throwing your work into the never and seeing some abstract numbers go up (if anything happens) doesn't really mean much of anything to our monkey brains.
This may seem contradictory with my above statement on being attention whores, but moderation, and self control, and all that shit.

>>7674195 (OP)
Some people are too shy, even in social media

>>7674292
>I'm sure every time you post a drawing on here (you have posted a drawing here before... right?), you get a little kick out of any positive (you)s.

Not really, but that's more my cynical nature I see the way the art world wanks each other off over really simplistic stuff I know the "Comment to get followers" social media strategy so I don't find enjoyment out of it. It's a compliment not a conversation. If I say the same word over and over again it stops having meaning and sound like random noise.

>>7674195 (OP)
https://x.com/philosophaire_/status/1950728556775952761

>>7674292
>If the art community weren't full of fame seeking attention whores, they would have come together onto a small niche art community site again, but that wouldn't satisfy they're dopamine riddled brains so they don't.
This is pretty much it.
I bet if you check that post there will be the typical
>wow this post made numbers please subscribble!
How are you supposed to take such people seriously when they're simply exploiting things to get fame, which results is the current state of the "art community"?

>>7674202
World is becoming less social in general. A hikki like me enjoys this of course but I am worried normies will go insane if this development continues.

>>7674334
when did you last go outside

>>7674195 (OP)
I stopped commenting because I didn't get a reaction.

deviantart still exists, these fags just abandoned it

If you crit someone you get crucified.

>>7674334
Ironically, the people who can get without social contact end up being the more sociable people.
Normies default settings are mostly asocial, yet they die if they don't have social contact.
I think social media just revealed how ugly normies are inside.

A lot of things, really.

1. Because 90% of online art circles (and really, all media circles in general) have been turned into glorified rat races where everyone is competing for a *like* and nothing more. As such, most art is made to be looked at for 15 seconds, maybe more if you're gooning, and then liked, only for viewers to move on to the next piece.

2. Most of Gen Z has TikTok brainrot and prefer to consume media in quick, bite-sized pieces for a constant supply of dopamine and serotonin. Putting this in an art environment, what you get is lots of users pressing like on your art but NEVER commenting.

3. Most people simply don't have anything interesting to say, nor does most art warrant a comment beyond "this looks great!" or" I love this artist OMG!!", or if you're using rule34 you'll just get a lot of gooner comment and people asking for RPs

It's gotten to the point where if a picture I made that's how I know it's a picture worth being proud of.

>>7674354
>If a picture I made get's a comment that's how I know it's a picture worth being proud of*

ALSO, here's some recent examples from gooner circles:

Often times, people will usually comment on your art if you give them something more interesting than what's being shown to them. I've soon countless porn comics like Cuchuflin's "Rock Bottom", bnbigus' "I'm putting Together a Team", or utopianvee's "Dark Desire" where the art is basic as fuck but the story and the drama hook people in. The story doesn't even have to be good, it just has to be engaging enough beyond a surface level. THAT'S what earns you a comment.

Homeless Dog by Ponporio (pic rel) is probably the best example of this. It's both porn and a good story that keeps people engaged and on the hook for more. If you go into the comment section you'll see people theorizing what will happen next or what the characters are feeling.

TL;DR: All you have to fucking do is more more interesting stuff beyond a "pretty picture".

>>7674292
Is newgrounds dead? Haven't heard anything about it in some time.

>>7674195 (OP)
i tend to ignore comments because they make me feel facetious and are phrased way too casually for me to feel engaging with someone who is a stranger. From prior experiences it's a nightmare to indulge in parasocial relationships. I only respond to questions regarding the art technical aspect so maybe i contribute to the negative atmosphere.

>>7674217
>pushing 30
>still into proship antiship autism
holy shit woman

>>7674354
>Most people simply don't have anything interesting to say…if you're using rule34 you'll just get a lot of gooner comment
I mean, that’s the nature with anything mildly lewd. What else do you even expect on a porn pic besides dudes saying “would lick that pussy!”.
It’s like searching for insightful comments under porn videos.

>>7674397
>It’s like searching for insightful comments under porn videos.
Ive found more insightful comments on PornHub than in R34.
>>7674195 (OP)
Wouldnt know, my stuff is too bad to even warrant a like, let alone a comment.

>>7674390
Newgrounds is still trucking along, small but steady community like /ic/. I'd say it's a good place to post because despite its size you're more likely to be seen by people who are involved in the art community, and because of its size you're more likely to hit front page with quality work.

>>7674390
>>7674483
You need to be pretty decent because you need to get votes from artists to get your artwork into public sight.

>>7674195 (OP)
Social networks is an environment that changed people's habits. It turned artists into content creators, which over time turned fans or art amateurs into consumers. Consumers who over time pick the habits to scroll and interact a bare minimum with the content that is being fed to them.
> tldr; It's a matter of habits and how terminally online people became.

>>7674348
keep telling yourself that buddy...

>>7674195 (OP)
There's only so many ways you can say that's a good piece before you sound like a broken record. Or at least that's what my concern is. I still try to comment when stuff is posted by artists in threads I frequent, otherwise no one else does most of the time, but I feel like I just start to loop around a lot. I draw too so I know how valuable one positive word can be but I also don't want to sound like a broken record to others.

>>7674195 (OP)
As if social medias are good galleries in the first place. Get a fucking real gallery.

>>7674217
>has a bio
>trans flag
>blm, nigger lover
>palestine flag, sand nigger lover
>californian
Ironically, he states he like the "old internet"

>>7674195 (OP)
Because happyboy

>>7674195 (OP)
I made a newgrounds to have somewhere post and got an unusually enthusiastic comment and follow from this one guy. It was so positive I ended up replying to him just to be polite, but I didn't like his art so I didn't follow him back. He unfollowed a few days later and I realised he was just fishing for numbers.

It happened immediately after joining and I've been cynical about interacting with artists there since, to the point where I don't leave comments in case I stumble into some quid pro quo relationship I don't want and accidentally start a beef with an autistic 12 year old.

Making "art" has been reduced to making fast food slop to serve on social media.

There is a fable of a fox feeding a hound dog. He kept bringing the dog, food, fattening him up to a point he couldnt be chased by the dog.

While we have been reduced to McDonalds employees for the slop machine, with people here mocking us for it, realy, what we are doing, is making brain rot for you to consume. Fox feeding the dog. If we remain dedicated, get really good at it, we become masters of the machine, instead of it mastering us. Get good at your job, so good, that it doesnt stress you to do it.

>>7674593
Its ironic in a Jewish world that the phrase "Work will set you free" has come out of it.

>>7674569
>but I didn't like his art so I didn't follow him back.
And there's nothing wrong with this. Nobody is entitled to a follow. I have people who follow me but I don't follow them back because I frankly do not want their political hottakes, pictures of cats or food or bad art cluttering up my social media feed.

>>7674633
The reciprocal like/subscribe/follow system is an unproductive trap. True that the best case scenario gets more eyes on your stuff, but the reality is more often an incestous system of mutual exploitation with no genuine feedback. Different kind of crab but still in a bucket.

Besides that, I don't think I could stomach the implication that I don't believe in my work enough to let it stand on it's own merit.

>>7674646
I like pixiv because it gives the option to follow unnoticed. Them japanese understand Schrödinger's cat and how their engaging with an artist can distrupt the ecosystem that produces the art they like.

Anyways, hope Japan continues to keep foreigners out of Japan.

>>7674390
>>7674496
That was always the case to some extent, but that's a reward and incentive to get that much better. On most sites these days, you could post your magnum opus and have it completely ignored.
Any site that at least encourages glances at your work so that people may take a better look at it is better than the current sites that display your work as if it were a single grain in a trough full of feed for pigs.
I believe Newground's gameification and rewards system for watching/playing, voting for, and reviewing content is a big incentive for people to really take in the work on the platform. Not to mention it just generally has an artsy culture.
The 'awards' and front page showings are also great, because they encourage a sort of fandom around your work, and just show it to that many more people.

The biggest issue people may have is the lack of monetisation, and how niche it is (and its culture if they're a whaling pussy, but it shouldn't be a problem for anyone on /ic/). However, given how social media sites are at the moment, you weren't going to really monetise your work there either, so no point crying about it.

Anyway, newgrounds is great, long may it live.

>>7674569
Pretty much the same experience i had and why i don't comment or interact with people anymore.
I guess others feel the same way and had the same experience and that's why they aren't eager to interact with others anymore.
Lots of people think like this:
>"if i give people positive xyz, they must give me xyz back or they're assholes"
Which is why you have those type of people just hustling others, and when it happens on a bigger scale, you get the current result.

I think the followers/like system is flawed because it enables and will be exploited by narcissists and other type of inauthentic people.
Why do a lot of big accounts always get bigger? Because lots of people want to exploit their big numbers to get big numbers.

In the end what are we really doing? Just playing the digital lottery to get big numbers for maybe the tiny chance of monetizing our work.
A lot of people who just use their social media to market and sell their stuff might have indirectly figured the game out, and what you should use social media for but who also directly contributed to the current state.

Do many artists really care about the art of others? Do they care beyond pretty colors or the "appeal"?
And do people and artists really care for any art that isn't fast food slop?

What one should do is honestly just set up monetization for their work, and completely disregard the "social" aspect., since you have many venues to shill your work because in the end you're going to win the lottery and find your target consumers who want to buy your slop.

I have comments on my social media turned off. If someone has a question they are dying to share then they can DM me. I don't personally see the point because it does nothing for me, causes unnecessary stress, or is a "f4f" request in disguise.
I know it's called social media, but I just want to share my art. For me, it doesn't need to be deeper than that.

>>7674680
>I believe Newground's gameification and rewards system for watching/playing, voting for, and reviewing content is a big incentive for people to really take in the work on the platform.

Nta. I never used newgrounds, so what youre describing sounds interesting to me, but i may be way off.

Are you saying that newgrounds has made it more like a roman colosseum? Cause that is a huge incentive if a platform is set up that way.

>>7674195 (OP)
I used to be that guy who comments on every work that interests me. It started with oekakis where artists would usually reply to you and art friends were commonly made as long as you drew and had a semblance of common interest. I did the same on DA and met some neat people, but when it came to twitter honestly I quit because I wasn't making honest connections through my comments anymore, there were a few, mind you, and these were gems of artists but most were clearly on the dopamine grind which was pretty offputting. In the end I had a couple friends over the span of 3 years and only one I'd consider more than an acquantance. It was isolating trying to socialize and make friends on a sociql media so I quit when it was starting to affect me mentally.

>>7674689
Nah, NG is completely dead if you're not part of the inner circle.
Comments, favorites, stars mean nothing and it will always be the same group of people that either do porn, have been on the platform for a very long time getting all the spotlight due to their sheer follower base.

If i remember correctly they also removed the old scouting system, which allowed a verified user to get another user verified so their uploads would show in the regular feed and be able to be frontpaged.
Lots of people would also game that system and verify anyone they could because it would show up on their profiles, leading to more lower quality works being shown.
Now i'm not exactly sure how it works but you might be automatically verified after you upload 4 works.

That site is a relic of the young internet, which doesn't translate well in the current generation of users who have gamified everything and just see art as another way to consume porn.

>>7674708
Bummer. Thought theyd have some kind of "art battles" like rap battles or battle of the bands kind of thing. Having rivals or a way for iron to sharpen iron is a win win for all involved. Both parties get a finished project and the viewer gets two finished projects. Like Sonic vs Mario,silent hill vs resident evil, etc.

Aw well, i suppose someome can do that without a platform dedicated to it.

honestly, good.
The art "community" is nothing but fake ass faggots and fake women.
Niggas commenting on your IG posts just so you comment on their shit so it's triggers the algorithm

>>7674680
Does newgrounds allow for people to pist long comics that they made? Or is it still just for single pics?

>>7674684
>Do many artists really care about the art of others?
Overall? No. An anon once posted about how fellow artists on social media are like store owners at a mall standing outside their stores and talking to each other as they watch shoppers walk by. They can talk and be polite but that doesn't mean they care about what the others are selling necessarily.

>>7674212
>comment on artwork
>"Yo this shit is fucking garbage, KYS"
>Art community....destroyed

>>7674779
>one less garbage artist
>community statistically becomes better artists overall
>art community is saved

what the fuck do I say to my art commentors? Thanks?

>>7674801
For most sane people, a like will suffice. Or nothing at all is fine, too.
For the little psychos (most of the art community), they expect you to say thanks and also like the comment. If you don't within a certain timeframe, they may delete their comment because they find you "ungrateful."

>>7674757
i know what you mean, and i probably myself seem like i'm doing it for that reason, when its not really true. but i dont go to the big platforms anyway, i'll stay with all the chris-chans on deviantart, theyre still nice and you can talk in the comments about the topics you share interest with pretty nicely. networking gets you further if its genuine, i think. its longer lasting, like a good foundation of a house.

>>7674195 (OP)
Use this to your advantage. Ive had multiple prestigious, world class artists respond to questions about technique and supplies etc.

>>7674820
don't get me wrong, I do it too cus that's the name of the game,it is what it is, but it's fake as hell.

>>7674855
well, be the change etc. its fun talking and encouraging amateurs and very young people. maybe it'll bear fruit some day? but i noticed what you and others here lament, its basically as if its all just bots anyway. they might as well be a botnet, because thats how this modern, sanitized social media space works. a shame really. i hope theres an EMP strike soon, praying to our sun god to make it happen

>>7674195 (OP)
Most artists don't provide something worth discussing. What's there to say about picture of a random waifu doing nothing in a blank void #454363565363543 that isn't either pedantic nitpicking or shallow consoomer praise? OC culture has caused a generation to believe that convoluted lore dumping is the same as storytelling so they they just expect you to immediately be a fan and care about every detail in the imaginary wiki in their heads.
I'm not going to say that any piece of art is unworthy of the numbers or likes it received. But if nobody is talking about it then it hasn't done anything to to talk about.

>>7674774
Artists definitely take an interest, but the kind of thing they like is at odds with what the average consoomer wants. If artists on social media have no interest in each others wares, it has more to do with whats popular there and not a general thing.
You see this play out all the time. Take Sam Yang for example. He does very well online but the only thing other artists would envy about him is his numbers, his work just isn't interesting. Compare him to someone like Claire Wendling who's done well professionally but not even half as well on social media. You're far more likely to hear another artist admire Wendling over Yang.

>>7674801
Anything really. If I comment on someone's art that I really liked it/etc and they don't at least even give it a like then I end up unfollowing or really souring on the artist. I find it ignorant/rude to ignore someone like that.

That said, if they never reply to anyone at all for any reason that's a different matter. In such cases I don't mind as much because that's just the way they are.

If however they're one of those faggots that only reply to people who have a lot of followers/their personal clique I find that very obnoxious and I tend to unfollow/sour on that artist.

If you're a big artist that can't thank everyone individually then just posting a general thank you comment to everyone is fine.

>>7674902
It's awkward to reply to every comment without phoning it in, which is exactly what you would be doing. If the comment is actually engaging in some way or asks a question then expecting a response might be resonable, but strangers on the internet don't owe you anything and the attitude that they do probably plays a large part in why so many artists delete themselves out of existence after a while.

It's just one little thank you to you, but it might be death by a thousand cuts for the person dispensing it.

>>7674920
Which is why I said that if there's a lot of comments I understand. Also I stated just liking it is fine. Any sort of acknowledgement really. It's not death by a thousand cuts to simply click something. If you can't be bothered even doing that to someone expressing genuine admiration or interest in your work then it seems rude to me. Granted, I'm most likely in the minority so maybe it's not a big deal.

After souring though I do tend to bitch about that artist a lot so it might have knock on effects for other people who might not follow them.

>>7674195 (OP)
>commenting on posts and pictures and becoming friends like we did on deviantart
For people like this, drawing isn't about art. It's not even about real connections with people. It's just about being oversocialized and yapping all day in Discords. The goal of being an artist for people like this is to talk to other weirdos all day long on the internet.

This is something teenagers do, but when you grow up you really ought to calm down your ADHD brain, and be okay with not chatting every second of the day. Oversocialization rots your brain, and makes you gay and dull.

>>7674936
climbing up the social ladder, fake-and-gay edition

>>7674763
>Does newgrounds allow for people to pist long comics that they made?
Yes. You can post long vertical webtoon style comics.

>>7674195 (OP)
I'd be more dfisposed to comment on art if I could more readily find the particular art I'm interested in. But since the DeviantArt redesign, as well as every other site, just has an endlessly scrolling random feed rather than any sort of category system or way to narrow the feed down to the specific subset of art that I would like to view, I just really can't be bothered. And no, hashtags don't work, since they always seem to be "OR"-ed together rather than "AND"-ed, and everything is wildly mislabeled by hashtags anyway.

>>7674936
There's a hell of a lot of projection going on here. It's fine to socialise and even befriend people and also engage in art and improving. By knowing certain people and becoming friends I've had access to more opportunities and they helped improve my art because they see things I couldn't by myself .

Undersocialization rots your brain and makes you gay, and deeply uninteresting, as evidenced by your post.

>>7674902
>>7674933
One thing I find crazy is artists not liking genuine comments if they're the type who interact with their viewerbase. I got almost 500 comments on a piece and liked every single one of them, even the negative ones (over a span of like 3 days not at once). And shit you not got 100 followers just like that. It's the biggest reward for minimal effort its dumb not to unless you're an artdump chad.

>>7674952
A little goes a long way. A lot of artists here are surprisingly up their own ass. Good on you

>>7674952
Yeah I always go out of my way to like and say thanks to all the comments I get.

Other anons have mentioned this already but socializing online just sucks now. After around 2010 it became horrid. People became way to concerned with calling things out and being offended. I remember when the internet was fun, it was fun to talk to people, people used to be cool and interesting and not gay. Now it's just annoying with everyone trying to one up each other, and when they are nice you can tell it's just fake positivity and usually it's because they want either praise for their work in return or they want you to do work for them.

>>7674195 (OP)
GOOD JOB, REALLY GOOD JOB.

>>7674947
Oh it has to be all merged together webtoons style? No individual pages hosted together like an album, so to speak?

if you want your art to be compliments just show it to your friends

>>7675029
The worst is when they present their artwork and they always hide behind a "shield" of some kind of backstory or time spent, as though that's supposed to make the art automatically good now.
>my dad beat me as a kid for drawing, here is my art!
>i spent 500 gorillion hours drawing this, here is my art!
>the art is still blatantly not good
>NO YOU CANT SAY THAT ITS NOT GOOD, I PUT UP MY QUALIFIERS YOU HAVE TO LIKE IT NOW