Thread 7675646

I am about to dive into Loomis
How much will it help me as a /beg/?
Are his other books also worth looking into?

Post your drawing before Loomis

>>7675646 (OP)
yes his books are good otherwise people wouldn't recommend him
don't get stuck on this book, just do the exercises once and then move onto the next book
don't worry about quality

>>7675664
Nah, I'm pretty shit and worse than your average /beg/ poster

>>7675671
>don't get stuck on this book, just do the exercises once and then move onto the next book
If i were to do excersies every day, how many pages should I do and how much should I spend drawing something on my own?
I've read that you should have a ratio of studying art and drawing things you like
And also, by next book, do you mean Successful Drawing or Figure Drawing?
>don't worry about quality
I will try, but honestly I'm very conscious about my skills

>>7675646 (OP)
Circles are evil.

>>7675678
just copy the page, try out a few blokes of your own
move to I'd love to Draw, its unfinished but whats there is still good
then Successful Drawing
and then figure drawing
head drawing
and lastly creative illustration

which tier of pre-/beg/ are you?

>>7675707
Thanks for the answering, anon
I didn't know about "I'd love to Draw", definitely gonna check it out along with other books
>>7675716
3

>>7675678
>Nah
Good, not posting your work as an artist is a great habit to get into. Don't forget, you're here forever. Pick up your ngmi t shirt right outside the asg building.

>>7675646 (OP)
I recently skimmed the figure drawing one. It's a very dense book imo. It's more like a list of the stuff you should know about figures and perspectives. Other books are probably more instructive.

>>7675646 (OP)
Fun with a pencil is meant to be just that, fun. Try to blast through it as fast as possible and avoid copying the images exactly, switch up the angles and make your own crazy faces in a similar style. You'll have a lot more fun than copying outright.
People say to skip the passages but if you enjoy reading they're a blast, gives you a good baseline for how to think about drawing. Same goes for other instructional artbooks that've stood the test of time.

Once you've gotten a hang of thinking about circles/eggs in three dimensions move onto Drawing the Head and Hands to start getting into proper construction, and Bridgman's Constructive Anatomy to set you on the right path for gesture drawing. Haven't checked out those reccs by the other anon but they sound good too.

Loomis and Bridgman are recommended for good reason, so stick with them and ignore people who advise against them -- they likely struggled through one diagram, didn't like the first result, then dismissed higher learning to protect their egos.

>>7675740
nta, but I remember posting my shitty art here a long time ago before I abandoned drawing (before picking it up again recently) and all advice I got was 'yeah bro, just learn the fundamentals'. I know I should 'learn the fundamentals', I simply needed some direction. (Or maybe my art was too shit so it couldn't be salvaged for any advice.)
>>7675646 (OP)
If you're a beginner, don't go with Coomis, it will kill your passion for drawing pretty fast. No matter how many times I tried picking up Pain with a pencil, every time I just toss it into a garbage bin and go watch some youtube videos where people give practical advice that I can actually implement in my drawings and study/learn from.
With Coomis you will be learning his personal style of drawing heads from the 30-50s, do you need that? I don't think so.
The only thing you can take away from his book is the head shape drawing method where you draw a circle, place some marks on it, 'cut' the sides and start from there.
His book is dogshit because he assumes you already know how to draw faces, he doesn't teach you about symmetry, how perspective works in relation to, say, eyes and ears. Brother just tells you to draw a circle, add some more circles/cylinders and voila, you have a perfect cartooney face. It's not fun, it's frustrating, boring and probably not what you're looking for.

>>7675880
>it's frustrating and boring so don't do it
>just watch youtube videos instead
Winning life advice right there. Sweating your ass off and grinding through some studies now will make drawing way more easy and fun in the long run.
Also if you really need direction "studying fundamentals" means
>Find the list of drawing fundamentals online
>Go through them doing studies with a focus on each fundamental
>Use what you learn to evaluate your own work (along with peer review) and focus studies on your weakest fundamental
Grinding fundamentals can be fascinating if you balance your vegetables with doodling and some life and artist studies. Pick some cool photos to redraw, copy a piece from an artist you like, grind some loomis/bridgman, doodle a two-headed unicorn with fat tits firing a kalishnakov from imagination, then repeat. If you can't draw hands draw a hundred hands. Your progress will thank you.
It's like exercise, doing nothing but pushups will get boring and sore, but you're not getting a full workout without pushups.

>>7675646 (OP)
Using it. I dislike it very much.

>>7675902
Yeah I mean I agree with everything you say, I'm just saying that for a beginner Loomis' Fun with a pencil is anything but fun.
You can always make grinding the fundamentals enjoyable, and with that you will have a much, much better grasp of them.
Just find what suits you better, OP. If Loomis works out for you, then go ahead. If not, don't abandon art, just toss him in the garbage and find another material. Thankfully, we live in an age where you can get instant access to thousands, if not tens of thousands of different artists willing to share their tips, tricks and knowledge.
>>7675646 (OP)
Also don't fall for the 'if you can draw a cube, a cylinder and a cone you can draw anything!" meme. Drawing these shapes and knowing how to rotate them is crucial and an essential skill for any artist, but simply knowing how to draw and rotate these shapes doesn't enable you to 'draw everything', there are still many things you should know before you can draw anything. Just saying it so you don't feel discouraged when you hear people repeating it and you still can't draw 'everything' despite knowing how to draw boxes and pyramids.

>>7675646 (OP)
>how much improvement will [nebulous grade of retard who can't draw] get from drawing if he's aiming for [nebulous grade of retard that can't draw] and has a [nebulous amount of time] invested? will it be enough to do [something with no skill requirement whatsoever]?

>>7675740
>>7675880
this art board is about people not posting any art until they are masters, good job son.
I love reading blogs instead

>>7675716
1

Just made my first blook in almost a month. I'm feeling jittery after ingesting caffeine tablets because I'm a lazy piece of shit and I need to do this more but it's so hard.
Anyway FWaP is the best book I've looked into so far because I can actually do the exercises and they're sorta fun even if it's not what I want to draw.

Does anyone itt recommend Drawabox, just curious

>>7675646 (OP)
>Are his other books also worth looking into?
His other books are way better than FWAP.
Picrel's an industry standard in anime & manga.

>>7684476
>an industry standard in anime
If you go thru Japanese blogs by anime animators you'll notice that they rec Loomis and Hamm all the time.

>>7684476
>>7684490
Even a VHS recording of Loomis drawing would be worth gold.

>>7684213
its fine
the first two lessons are basic exercises that any decent beginner course would introduce
the box challenge is kind of silly, but its not even a lot
the lessons after are just learning how to draw the things

its really just two weeks of drawing at most if you try to do everything

i think people hate it because they either get filtered by drawing some boxes or they expect it to teach them everything about drawing

>>7684476
what the fuck, how the fuck do they learn anime with fucking loomis what the fuck is this gas lighting

>>7684513
Anime is known for being more realistic in it's anatomy and proportion than western cartoons usually are - so of course a more serious drawing guide would help someone get to grips with drawing anime.

Besides, it's always been sage old advice to learn to draw before going for stylisation.

>>7684490
>Jack Hamm is easy and beginner friendly
I'd say it's easier to get into than Loomis, but I wouldn't go that far. I think it goes fairly advanced, like >>7684507 says.

>>7684476
i wanted to learn from his figure drawing book but it's hard

>>7683550
>they're sorta fun
sorta fun with a pencil

>>7675646 (OP)
Loomis will make you a pro at drawing boring crap like this.

>>7684678
You say that in every thread regarding loomis, all while ignoring that it seems most anime/manga artists (as well as just most artists generally) applaud loomis' books.
You'll only draw boring crap if you have boring taste, and since you seem to be a repetitious dullard, no amount of loomis or anyone else would likely help you.

>>7675646 (OP)
Depends how beg you are and what your goals are. FWaP is pretty good for showing you ways to construct simple cartoon characters and some semi-realistic ones so you can graduate into more realistic figures and portraits. I don't think it's very zoomer friendly though since it's probably intended more for a kid in the 30s who will probably draw through it multiple times and slowly pick up on techniques. Although I really like it I think most people want a more direct course that has homework and guides and checkpoints. Ultimately this is mostly the same shit that's taught anywhere else and your milage is the most important factor. If you think drawing bald dudes is silly and fun you'll get the mileage and improve.

>>7684476
>>7684490
>>7684507
That's not new information around here, we've known this since 2020 because of picrel.

>>7684698
>it seems most anime/manga artists (as well as just most artists generally) applaud loomis' books
Alex Ross is the biggest Loomisfag, he finished one of his drawing books IIRC and he's basically a comic art Deity.

>>7685074
>we've known this since 2020
In 2021 there's that Fujimoto manga but weebs never learn.

>>7685079
Loomis and Hamm again :)

>>7683550
Grim

>>7675646 (OP)
Loomis is a meme.
Just copy pictures you like until you have internalized how to do it yourself. Worked for Nihu and he is far more successful than the couple crab mangaka shown in this thread.

>>7685079
>perspective
>anatomy
>space

This is all you need for any style. Loomis was kinda shit for me because it asks you to sculpt a sphere, i think it's easier to start with a well constructed skull instead of a sphere

>>7685293
what

>>7685262
>Nihu and he is far more successful than the couple crab mangaka shown in this thread.
Literal who is more successful than the creator of Chainsaw Man huh? IC's bait used to be somewhat realistic.
>>7685293
>Loomis was kinda shit for me
Loomis is not for everyone, don't worry about it.

Loomis is a /beg/-trap, but suit yourself

>>7685262
Just copy pictures? I did this for a little while but I just felt underwhelmed when I tried to draw something on my own. I kinda had a bit of fun with FWaP but I'm just feeling so confused about what I should actually do to progress.

>>7684490
Picked up the Jack Hamm book. Obviously, I definitely need to "just draw" more too, but who knows, maybe it'll be nice knowing what to go for/follow with figure drawing. Thanks anon.
Side note: are there mangaka/anime creators that have their own books similar to Loomis/Hamm but geared specifically for manga/anime?

just started with heads and hands
i hope he'll teach on how to draw actual face features too
ill maybe buy these books physically when i get more cash
do you guys buy these artbooks physically or everyone goes digital cause its free?

>>7691290
If you need to pay for them to feel they give better impact, do pay for them. But in the end it's in your head. Do you what you need to do.

Here's your next curriculum https://gofile.io/d/fpLHsY Do note you can also hunt the books down and pay for them so you can improve faster

>>7675678
>Nah, I'm pretty shit and worse than your average /beg/ poster
then you should do keys or right side before loomis

>>7686303
>a book you could literally finish in less than a month is a "trap"

Fucking kill yourself

>>7675716
why is 5 bad?

>>7692291
Because he shows you how to use a stick figure as a basic manikin to study or set up poses

>>7692291
Too focused on little details. Overall proportions are terrible. Pose is weird. The nose is way too high on the face. Is that the ear up above the eye?
>Soon he forgets the body and starts drawing buttons and clothes with a face on them. Result: he gets discouraged

>>7675646 (OP)
I bounced off FWAP 3 times, mostly because it felt boring. I read a couple of other smaller books like "How to draw comics the Marvel way" and came back to it. Got a new appreciation for it.

The percentage of people who start drawing by announcing it on social media has got to be less than 1%. I'm sorry op but you will go further if you just cut out 4chan entirely.

>>7685079
>perspective, anatomy, and space
>none of it is displayed in this page


he forgot step 4
(4.) Trace 3d models

>>7696625
no rules
just tools

I've been looming again and it's killing me but I'm planning to take learning again more seriously this time.

>>7675716
if I'm still at 4 or 5 even after months how do I move forward