Thread 7680120

I don't learn

I don't draw art daily

I don't do fundies

I cheat

what you gonna do about it?

>>7680120 (OP)
that's fine anon, as long as you have fun

>>7680120 (OP)
Who cares

It's much faster to draw basic 3D by hand.
Directly drawing over 3D always ends up looking stiff and lifeless. Everyone can tell and nobody cares.

>>7680120 (OP)
I don't care about digital at all. All digital "artists" are cheaters by default.

>>7680120 (OP)

Ohisashiburi [2022-10-23]
お久しぶり
Creator(s): ohisashiburi

[FANBOX] Ohisashiburi
[FANBOX] お久しぶり

>>7680177
Based

>>7680120 (OP)
>I don't learn
>I don't draw art daily
>I don't do fundies
>I cheat
I can tell

>>7680120 (OP)
>what are you gonna do about it?
Hide your thread because I don't care?

>>7680168
>It's much faster to draw basic 3D by hand.
that really depends
once you get into casting shadows and modeling light, using 3d becomes interesting again
that's why gurney's imaginative realism ends up with him making IRL models / sculptures
another advantage of using 3d / miniatures is letting you play around with the camera and see other views of the scene before committing to a painting, which might have been overlooked otherwise

>>7680120 (OP)
>"artist" references AI
>now he uses models

i thought he stopped cheating but i guess once a scumbag always a scumbag, his early art is not even that bad just... amateurish

I'm gonna draw whatever I feel like from imagination and enjoy myself.
I don't think anyone cares about another 3D tracing tranime drawing.

What the fuck is wrong with referencing a 3d model??? It's pretty the same as referencing a random clothed bitch, except you can see the form better

Nodraws unironically believe tracing is an irl cheat code.

>>7680600
Why do you people use the word "reference" when you're just tracing? Does it help you feel like you're a real artist?

>>7680608
OP pic is not copying the lines of the model 1:1. He's just referencing the general form and proportions

>>7680608
muddying the waters

>>7680608
tracing would imply hes tracing

>>7680120 (OP)
how do I cheat like this?

i'm too in love with fat bitches to use models like this

I'm starting to consider the cheatpill. I'm turning 30 in a couple months and trying to learn art the "correct way" is seeming more and more like a fool's errand by the day. I have a couple project ideas that might not become realized unless I throw my humanity away.
Sorry artbros, I hate AItracers as much as the next guy but I need to put my morals aside for this.

>>7680783
anon...

>>7680624
Referencing indicates having the image to the side and using it as a visual aid to get the proportions, perspective, anatomy, etc right, through getting a feel or using measuring techniques. Maybe what he's doing isn't tracing, but it's still drawing on top of something else.
That said, the 3D models were made to be used by artists, so the reality is that he can do whatever the fuck he wants. It isn't infringing on anybody else's work.

>>7681174
American woman whoa mama let me be

>>7681174
Any good fat 3D pose models?

>>7681174
that model looks pretty good, its too bad CSP's posing is so clunkly compare to design doll.

>>7680120 (OP)
Get on with the times. People now trace over AIsloppa

>>7680168
Not really. Drawing by hand is only faster if you somehow get the scene right first try. Once you want to start adjusting the scene a bit it'll end up taking the same time as using 3D. Using 3D takes more time than drawing manually happens when you fall into the 'trying to get the perfect 3D pose and angle' pitfall autismo

>>7680608
Correct. He trace over 3D. Does it make you sleep better anon?

>>7680723
you already posted it

>>7681174
this is why 3D models are the most flexible and versatile tool to work with

>>7681228
there's a plug-in version of pic related for CSP, I just can't remember the name

>>7680177
Indeed

>>7681274
I wasn't talking about the model itself, but the camera operation and the unoptimized feeling when manipulating the figure. Its just hard to get used to because my muscle memories with Blender and designdolls I constantly gets confused.

>>7680608
Because using reference is not tracing.
>See picrel
>>7681163
Just do it anon, make your dreams come true.

Go for it buddy. Our world rewards lying, stealing and cheating these days. It's why integrity and the pursuit of mastery are priceless. It's easy to pretend you made it, but you never really did. You only "made it"

>>7681364
What muscles? The figure is fully clothed. Making me question the credibility of this book

If its good then I won't care

>>7680168
>Doing the 3d by yourself is faster
If you do shitty 3d forms then yes, you are much faster

>>7681364
It is not tracing... the guide literally tells you to trace and learn as first steps. You niggers.

>>7681369
>What muscles? The figure is fully clothed.
They probably mean the leg muscles, they're clothed but you can see the calf and quads.
>>7681414
>the guide literally tells you to trace and learn as first steps
No it doesn't it's just showing the difference between tracing and drawing, and that drawing is a game of looking at the reference for poses, shapes, and details instead of just tracing, that's why there's 2 paths in that pic you dumb nigga.

>>7681414
i don't understand the point of tracing it. you can deal with the proportions by counting heads and deal with the contours with knowledge of basic forms and anatomy

>>7681364
>its not tracing

>"traced as closely as possible to the photograph"

>>7680624
Insane cope. You'll never be an artist

>>7681499
pyw. I know you won't

>>7680120 (OP)
>what you gonna do about it?
I'll be glad I have less serious competition.

>>7680120 (OP)
>He doesn't draw to challenge himself
Well, it's not a crime to have low standards.

>>7680120 (OP)
Your clothing looks too good for someone who calls himself a cheater. Stop baiting people.

>>7680120 (OP)
>I don't draw
>I shitpost on /ic/

>>7681364
This kills the "don't symboldraw" fags

If I try to construct a pose, my art ends up looking dogshit.
If I try to trace the photo, my art still ends up looking dogshit.

But I just eyeball it while directly drawing with no construction, it ends up looking pretty good.

>>7681364
this is really helpful but now the problem is finding good poses to draw. I don't want to draw someone just standing doing nothing, I need to be dynamic and creative to get likes.

>>7680120 (OP)
i mean as long as you admit it's cheating

>>7682594
>drawing for likes
NGMI

>>7682643
I draw for likes and I draw for myself. Humans are complex and do different things for different reasons.

>>7682647
so you don't enjoy your own art being dynamic and creative
stupid

>>7682700
my art is not dynamic and creative, its dogshit

>>7682726
good reading comprehension

>>7682628
In the future, you won't even need 3D models. Just feed the first draft into AI and it'll complete it for you. It's going to be so based

>>7680120 (OP)
>what you gonna do about it?
lol, what a tough guy.
Nobody cares. Cheat. Take Short cuts. Don't learn. I'm perfectly content with that.

>>7682755
yeah the fact that nobody gives a fuck that all manga artists trace 3d models means nobody's gonna give a fuck when that happens
for some reason people only seem to find it lazy when you trace other art

>>7682745
If you meant I should enjoy tracing and copying because it makes my art look good, then you're ngmi. I don't feel fulfilled when I do that.

>>7680120 (OP)
meh, i don't care
also cheaters still have more dignity than nodraw niggers on this board

>that level of detail for the clothes
Wtf, you don't even need to cheat for those easy ass positions.
How hard is it to take the twenty seconds to rough it the figure? Send like way more effort to pull up the modeling software and pitch it perfectly every time

>>7680213
You have to draw cast shadows and light depending on how the clothing folds and the texture. Are you gonna model the clothing too lmao?

>>7680120 (OP)
>what you gonna do about it?
outscale you I guess lol

>>7682915
good reading comprehension

>>7683117
in the OP the model is used to give an idea of the overall proportions and then builds up on top, you could do the same with shadows, in which you get an idea of how they behave on the bigger forms and make up the smaller ones based on those.
or if you want to go further just make your own references with real life clothes and models

>>7680120 (OP)
There's literally no fun in that
I don't draw good, but learning the skeleton for me is interesting and kinda fun and the muscles too.

i wish csp didnt feel like shit to use compared to photoshop because the 3d models are actually pretty cool

>>7680120 (OP)
Just use AI and you are set.There are no rules only tools.

>>7680177
Ah yes. Says a litteral permabeg trad artist who refuses to post their work to prove me otherwise. Fuck off retard.

>>7683384
That's the spirit. Don't get discouraged by all the external noise. This is the path to true greatness and mastery. This is how you keep your own unique expression while also becoming a better draftsman.
Any other way will only result in producing mediocre work and losing ones passion in the long term.

>>7683489
cheater

>>7683585
LOL

If I want to draw something its because its something new and original that not even I can imagine. If I can pose a model into the position I want, then its literally not dynamic. I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place

>>7680130
Scott Robertson really opened my eyes to the use of 3d models in 2d drawing. Being able to visualize a scene before committing to it really helps a lot.
It's funny because a lot of artists before the age of 3d modeling would make irl models to help visualize stuff better.

I really wish I knew where the "using any kind of reference or model is cheating" idea came from.

>>7680168
Beg traps will be beg traps, what else is new.

Using 3D is fine, but it's really not a crutch anyone here needs to be standing on. Your drawing is still going to suck, and you're not going to learn anything.

how easy are csp hand models and do they come with good poses? I am tired of spending hours searching for a specific photo of a fucking hand in the position and angle that goes with what I already drew. I will never find the right hand so I always end up wasting time searching online.

>>7684737
Personally, I don't like them, the range of motion feels really bad so poses always end up very stiff regardless of how good you are at posing it.

>>7680120 (OP)
>Using csp models
Lmao cope. Just make your own 3d model.

>>7683384
Was it fun to get a hump on your back while learning these?

>>7685295
accidentally posted in the wrong thread dumbass retard award goes to me
also no one cares if you use 3d models so does every twitter yaoi artist

>>7680120 (OP)
Is there any good 3d models to use as reference? I've downloaded some from what I thought would have nice models but their facial proportions are all fucked, especially anime models and ESPECIALLY when you look at them from the side.
Even in OPs where he's tracing most of the body, he just draws his own heads over them because the heads suck.

>>7680608
Show me the clothes that were traced in OP's image.