Thread 7682586

Why you should not trust youtube shills:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH1WEYF8rlA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twy5Wo8m284

Do not worry pressure levels. 1024 is more than enough.
Remember to ignore all chinese shills. They often post paid twitter promos from random artists. It's all shilling, ignore it.

Recommended tablets:

>Screenless:
Used Intuos 3, 4, 5, Pro, One by Wacom

>Display:
Small (10-11"): Samsung Galaxy Tab S6 Lite
Medium (12-16"): Samsung Galaxy Tab S8/S9 Ultra, used iPad Pro 12.9" Gen 1-5
Large (22"+): Cintiq 22, Cintiq Pro 27

Avoid:

>XP-Pen, Huion, Gaomon and every other Chinese brand making Wacom imitations
Poor build quality, pens with wavy lines, wobbly nibs, broken tilt, issues registering light pressure, terrible customer support, uncalibrated displays. All Chinese brands have the same problems. Check out the webm to understand how bad they are.
Do not be fooled by myths like "Chink companies are just as good as Wacom now" - they've been saying this for over 10 years, nothing has changed.
Chinese companies have also been proven to shill on 4chan. You will see dozens upon dozens of posts in this thread by a chinese schizo shill, who will either be bitching about the OP, gaslighting as a Wacom fan, making pointless spam posts or giving terrible advice (like recommending Huion). Just ignore and report him.

>New iPads
Massively overpriced and overhyped.

>Microsoft Surface Pro
More optimized for palm rejection than good quality drawing. Wobbly lines when drawing slow and straight.

>Cintiq 13-16"
Completely outclassed by the Galaxy Tab Ultra & iPad

>Cintiq Pro 16, 24, 32
Overpriced, QC issues, loud fans, proprietary mount interface

>Lenovo
Worse than Samsung in every way.

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>>7682587
>>7682586 (OP)

Which is better for my S8 Ultra, the Staedtler Noris Jumbo or the Wacom One pen?

This is a thread to discuss all kinds of digital drawing hardware

This makes most of the info redundant, but may be outdated: https://rentry.org/dtg

>Tablet news:
XPPen Magic Drawing Pad updated (now has android 14, full x3 pro pen support (2 buttons + eraser), tilt, a newer cpu, and lets you connect to a computer via usb-c to act as a normal screen tablet)
Wacom Movinkpad 11 released and is a carbon copy of the MDP but 1 inch smaller

Recommended tablets:
>Pen tablets (non display)
Wacom Intuos pro
Huion Inspiroy
Xencelab Pen Tablet
XP Pen Deco 01 v2 / Pro

>Display tablets
Wacom Cintiq pro
Huion Kamvas plus/pro
XP-Pen Artist series
Xencelab Pen display

>Mobile tablets
Xppen magic drawing pad (best drawing experience)
Apple iPad Pro (3rd gen for new pen/reduced bezel, 6th gen for hover)
Samsung Galaxy Tab (supports low end wacom pens)
Surface Pro 8/9
Kamvas studio 16

>What tablets does /dtg/ use?
https://strawpoll.com/polls/NoZrLOmrDn3

>General guidelines when picking a tablet:
- All of the recommended models are part of large lines with multiple sizes/generations available. Buy the biggest/newest in your budget. Medium-Large pen tablets or 16-24" display tablets are considered the sweet spot by most artists.
-If buying direct from xppen, sign up and put the item in your cart and wait like 30 minutes, they'll send you an additional 5% off + 5% off for being a "member"

>Recommended Software:
Clip Studio Paint
Photoshop
Procreate
Infinite Painter
Rebelle
Krita or hipaint if you're poor

>Display Calibration tools:
https://www.eizo.be/monitor-test/
http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/
https://tftcentral.co.uk/articles/icc_profiles

[YouTube] Can You Calibrate a Monitor WITHOUT a Colorimeter? (embed)
(Use this guide to roughly calibrate your display if you don't want to invest hundreds into a colorimeter you'll only use a few times)

beg here, is it better to learn with paper than on digital?

>>7682636
you can quite literally start with whichever one you want

>>7682636
yes

>>7682589
>>7682588
>>7682587
>>7682586 (OP)
Just marking these, this is an avid AIgen spammer from /g/
This retard literally does not draw and is actively shilling wacom products on the thread, please refrain from taking advice from these posts and seek reviews on tablets from 3rd sources
This is the official OP >>7682635
Have a greaat day

While I dislike brand loyalty, if XP-PEN and Huion can catch up with their high IAF issues, then I’d consider them worthwhile competitors. I think Huion 4.0 PenTech is <2g, while some Wacom pens are <1g.

>>7682636
Start whatever you want.

>>7682635
Should update this desu
01 v3 already exists

>>7682854
>While I dislike brand loyalty, if XP-PEN and Huion can catch up with their high IAF issues, then I’d consider them worthwhile competitors.
I got a Deco 01 v2 years ago and barely used it, when I did I felt fatigued and drawing felt stiff but didn't know why and thought it was a nodraw issue. Now after gettin a One By Wacom I realize how ass the Deco 01's pen was, FUCK your pressure levels and express keys man the pen should be number 1 priority.

It's funny, now I was looking at the homepage for the Intuos and One by Wacom to see if they ever mention IAF or something similar and they don't, but fuckin XP does it on the Deco Pro Gen 2.

So which screened tablet has HDR?
I want to sear my eyeballs with blinding light when I draw.

will I miss touch capabilities if i go for the regular cintiq 24 and not the touch one? is touch even decent on windows compared to a small Bluetooth keyboard or wheel thingy?

>>7683002
should update it to include the movinkpad11 too, considering its the same price, same specs as xppen but with a superior drawing digitizer (still)

new thread no one will post in for the next 3 months, god I hate jannies so much

>>7682649
>being surprised that an anon ruining /ic/ is yet another AIfaggot
not to imply that these threads were ever great but still
don't act like this is a shocking revelation

>>7683512
Maybe instead of buying a tablet I should get a new GPU

>>7682586 (OP)
Hello!
Is anyone here perchance using a Huion tablet with a Unix-based OS (e.g. Ubuntu)? How is your user experience in said environment? Have you ever before used that tablet with Windows?

>>7683434
But smaller (slightly)

So... I have a budget of $400 and have decided to go for a Pen tablet. Any suggestions? (I'm a total beg and this would be my first tablet)

>page 10 generic vague question bump
paper

>>7685050
Thanks for your valuable input. I think I'll buy the Intuos M and then save for the pro one.

this is a very real question guys what tablet should I buy thanks

>>7685272
Pic related, texture on the tab feels a bit ass to draw slowly as pressure builds up but just put a piece of paper over it.

This is a real reply to your question (UK facial and cock ID verified).

>>7685286
thanks I love wacom

>>7685288
No problem wacom lover, I just got it a few days ago to test if it was better than the Deco 01 and it was. Cheaper as well.

has anyone here broken a pro pen 3 yet? i was considering a movinkpad but the pro pen 3 posts on the wacom subreddit and some posts on xitter are kind of worrying me

I've had a Tab S6 Lite for like 3 years now and it's fine for my usecase. That said, I've always noticed that the lines wobble a little if I try to make slow straight lines (I've even tried it with a ruler to make sure), or it might "cut" a line if I press too lightly. It's not a huge issue but it's still slightly annoying every now and then.
Does this still happen in the Tab S9? If the drawing has some improvements in these things, I might consider the upgrade.

>>7686091
its reddit, everyone is a young fat degenerate fuck so it makes sense that old degenerate fucks "in the industry" that also frequent reddit have broken their pens
yes the pens are plastic, no they're not low quality enough to just break just for fucking drawing

>>7682586 (OP)
Any recommended alternative pens for the galaxy s6 lite 2024?
I broke mine on accident.

>>7687562
staedtler pens have a soft rubbery tip that's both much better than the s-pen one and with much better activation force, you dont need a screen protector for them
if you want to use a screen protector, grab a wacom one pen which has a hard plastic nib

>>7682586 (OP)
I had a wacom intuos, can't remember the name of the model, but it was one of those cheap ones, screenless and small.
I had it for like 10 years, it served me well, it was shitty but I learned everything about art using it.

Last year (slightly more than a year by now) I bought a Huion Kamvas Pro 24 4k, and it has been great. I took a gamble, because I had read these threads many years ago, shitting on Chinese tablets, but it has been great so far, genuinely don't know why I didn't upgrade sooner, everything in my art has improved, and everything is much faster.

My biggest criticisms so far are:
1.There's no "easy" way to change between screen mode back to screenless, you have to unplug the cable and plug it again for it to work, and every time I do it I feel like I'm slowly ruining the connection and it will lead to huge problems in a couple years. I hope I'm wrong.
2. For the past week I've been having this problem with the drivers, it appeared out of nowhere, in which the pen sensitivity is fucked/not working properly, so every time I turn on my PC I've been having to reinstall the drivers for it to work properly.
Have no idea what has been causing it, but tbf it could be my fault, I pirated a bunch of new software over the last 6 months, and I'm pretty certain that my PC has a virus at this point as I keep hearing a notification that appears to have no source, so wouldn't be surprised something related to that is what's causing it.

Definitely worth the buy tho, really haven't thought once that I would have rather bought a Wacom one instead, the slight improvements that the Wacom version would have had really aren't worth the extra money. And it has been really easy to maintain, no scratches so far, and the pen tips (both of them) feel great.

Never tested for wobble actually. Here it is at three angels with the first ones being as perpendicular as i could hold it. No smoothing or anything.
How much would you pay for a 14 inch like this?

>>7687758
>How much would you pay for a 14 inch like this?
$0

>>7683542
Long time Linux user here. Started around 2012. This is sort of a complicated issue so I'll start by saying this:
When it's good it's really, really good. It feels as fast and as smooth as it does to draw on windows. Sometimes even better. HOWEVER, this is not a consistent experience. You need to do a lot of research. For example, let's say you have a modern graphics tablet with buttons. Will they work? Probably not straight out of the box. You'll probably need to get the digimend kernel (assuming you're using a Debian based OS), then you'll need to make a config file so it'll actually store your settings, and depending on what desktop environment you're using you might not have access to all of them. You will spend so much time troubleshooting, reading forums, guides, and watching youtube tutorials to do the most basic shit. Artists are constantly second class citizens and our concerns are constantly ignored because most devs don't draw
And haven't upgraded past their wacom bamboo or intuos (not the pro, the beginner version).
I don't want to scare you off, but you should know what you're getting yourself into. It has been getting better, but it's still not as easy as it is on windows. If you really wanna try making art on Linux, look up David revoy's blog. He's been using Linux and FOSS only since 2009, and has plenty of guides and tutorials that have saved me personally. Definitely make that your first stop.

Could someone that has the Intuous Pro tablet comment on how the surface texture changes after a while?
Does it affect your drawings and your lines at all?
it looks like it's mostly just a lost of texture in some areas without really affect anything else.

>>7683512
>trooncasing tard calling the kettle mutt

lol zoom lmao tard xd even at times

>>7686165
Bump

I wish there was a tablet that's a combination of the ipad pro and galaxy tab. I have both and I love the openness of android compared to apple's walled garden, but I prefer the form factor of the ipad. The extra real estate on the galaxy tab is nice and all but it's honestly too big and the aspect ratio sucks for anything that isn't media consumption.

>>7689011
could you not get, umm, a smaller one?

>>7689013
Pretty sure the smaller one has the same aspect ratio. I like the Ipad's 4:3 aspect ratio better. Also I'm not really a fan of Samsung's bloat so my ideal device would be stock android.

>>7689033
Did you consider the mdp or movinkpad? 3:2 is a better ratio for art than 16:10 and you get stock android (and an actual real digitizer)

Just bought the HUION Inspiroy 2 Large, did I fuck up? Not sure if I want to get into this hobby so the price tag was appealing

Does it matter much if a tablet is bluetooth or wired?

Is a pen tablet going to hinder my progress at all compared to a display? I learned to draw with pencil and paper and I'm struggling a lot to adjust.

>>7689487
Yes its not wacom moron

>>7689487
Huion is great.

Most of the Wacom supremacists are perma begs who don't even draw/paint anyways.

>>7690022
>Huion is great.
Nah, your tablets are terrible. Horrible quality and always have fingerprints smeared all over them out of the box.

is tab s10 fe any good? i can cop one for a reasonable price

>>7690116
pyw, if you are better than me I'll take your word seriously, if you are not, then you are just like those retards who talks about brushes all day, and knows nothing about art.

>>7689431
I did consider the mdp but after watching some reviews came to the conclusion that it wasn't very good. I see that they released a new version but I haven't watched any reviews yet. Isn't the movinkpad just a display with no OS?

>>7682586 (OP)
>>7682635
As someone looking for advice to get into digital drawing there is nothing more confusing than having two contradicting OPs

I'm looking to spend £200 or less and have narrowed my options down to PicassoTab X, Reubenstab Frunsi T11 and Galaxy Tab S6 Lite. Does anyone have experience with multiple of these for comparison?

>>7688331
anyone?

>>7688331
Depends on which intuos pro you mean, the 2017 version I use got super smooth in the middle where I mostly drew. I got a foxbox surface wrap and it's consistent now but smoother than the original surface.

>>7690422
come on anon, don't be silly, just buy >>7685286
never buy sponsored youtuber garbage

>>7690763
I haven't been using YouTube for suggestions and want a standalone device, the Wacom graphics tablets dont fit my use case

>>7690780
The person you are responding to is a Wacom obsessed freak who has been doing these threads, religiously, for years, and is a perma-beg. Do not take his opinion on the matter seriously.

>>7690789
Imagine if someone spent all that time and effort drawing, they'd be at least /int/ by now

>>7690763
Why would you grab my post as an answer for the dude when he asked for opinions on several options that include a screen?

>>7689496
Please I'm really curious about this

>>7689496
older bluetooth stuff has a noticeable delay or input lag. newer ones aren't too bad. keep it plugged in unless you move it around a lot

>>7690780
>>7690983
you won't find anything worthwhile at that budget retard

>>7690668
But was it affecting your drawing in any way, since you mentioned consistency? Or it was just mostly a minor cosmetic issue

>>7689496
Not really, You have to ask yourself if you are going to be moving around or drawing in your bed for example or on a sofa, anywhere that is not your desk with your PC.
But if you are just going to be drawing at your desk, then it wired is the way to go and Bluetooth won't matter that much
There will always be some delay, especially if you are doing precise work

>>7691079
Yeah you're right lmao, I got the wacom tab just for the low IAF compared to the Deco 01 and never bothered to look at display prices. God damn they're expensive.

>>7687977
even if it has a touch-screen?

oh so you have to spend another $2-300 to make drawing on an ipad comfy ig. Anyone who recommends drawing on a cheap parblo is a retard.

>>7691466
Anyone that recommends anything not wacom huion xppen or xencelab is retarded

>>7688267
Late to the party, but thank you anon. I still want to face Linux, so any and every info related to my needs are useful.
I actually already tried Huion's proprietary driver, and while my tests were limited, I could already spot some issues (cursor spazzing and pen detection are some). But my tablet buttons worked so hey, that's a start.

>>7691603
what about samsung

Which intuos should I buy? I heard the newer ones are shit.

>>7692938
Intuos pro 2017

so what's a good alternative emr pen for the wacom one first gen. i'm thinking about getting a norris classic pen, but some people say the jumbo feels better.

>>7692823
i got a s10fe, feels pretty good. i'd say it's a good tabler, rather small, but you can use it as a sketchbook of sorts. i'm going to get a screenless one for my computer.

>>7692823
No reason to recommend Samsung anymore now that xppen and wacom have entered the android tablet market. For $200 buy a last gen mdp over the budget galaxy tabs

I have a 165hz monitor. I am primarily a drawfag with an old Intuos 5 medium tablet. I may have some disposable income for a screen tablet. I've never used one. I just don't think I can justify getting a cintiq pro 27. I don't even know if this purchase would improve the drawing experience. Let me know?

I'm looking at:

XP Pen Pro 24 - 2k resolution / 165hz

xencelabs 24 - 4k resolution / 60hz

cintiq pro 17 - 4k resolution / 120hz

>>7693725
what about ultra tabs

are there any other pens compatible with picrel? I want one of those nifty custom ones that ipadqueers use

I don't really understand why AIbros need a drawing tablet.

>>7693725
No android updates really sucks on the mdp

>>7692938
>>7693234
get a screen tablet, nobody except literal babies uses none screens ones

>>7694676
>digital artist
>AI filmmaker
prompt fags are beyond delusional

>>7694726
please do not insult OP he is going to make it

There's something on the bottom of the fucking hole where the nib goes and no matter how much I shake it, the thing doesn't come out. Here's a visual example of the thing right now.

What can I use to pull whatever it is inside out?

>>7693854
my take:
dim as fuck oled screen
uses regular tablet glass so horrible for drawing unless you use a rubber pen like the s-pen which also sucks and is low quality
uses old school wacom emr so it only supports up to wacom one pen tech
has less options for reputable screen protectors with texture
any screen protector with texture obviously ruins the screen image quality
the ipad digital artist ecosystem only grows every year bigger and android shrinks (it never started)

the iPad Pro's nano texture invalidates the Galaxy Tab as an art device imo, Samsung was already fumbling at a content consumption level but having an iPad with a Cintiq-like glass texture is the final nail in the coffin, if the upcoming M5 releasing in Fall opens up the texture to the cheaper models it's GG for Tabs when it comes to art, we already know everything about the S11/Ultras and theyre a garbage update

>>7696340
and if it wasnt obvious enough then yes, the movinkpad 11 and xppen are absolutely 10 times better DRAWING devices than the current galaxy tabs and should be a priority for anyone actually interested in them just for art
the digital tablet market for artists has 2 established price brackets now: Wacom-ish Android tablets and Nano Texture iPad Pros

>>7696172
uuh vacuum cleaner maybe? how did you even end up in that situation? pulled out the nib in a sandstorm?

>>7696340
>>7696345
The moveink looks really tempting the only downside is that the ram is just 8gb, I wish they had a 12 GB version like Samsung does, it's such a shame

>>7696340
I have the S9 ultra and the brightness is fine (and I have it pretty low too). The problems is that the color temperature is too warm even on the "natural" setting.
I agree that ipad's (art) ecosystem is much better. If it didn't have such an ass file system it would be almost perfect. They should just stick macos on it already. It's more than powerful enough.
I have the last gen pro with a matte protector. Does the new textured glass fuck up the screen quality like a protector does?

>>7696642
>Does the new textured glass fuck up the screen quality like a protector does?
it doesnt, it still kills vibrancy but on a different more subtle way, if you've ever used a cintiq pro 16 or a steam deck oled with etched glass it kinda looks like that, those are my closest references atm
most textured screen protectors are straight up matte with tons of sandy paper friction and of course cheap as hell, so the end result isnt the same
this is why i love the new stand alone android tablets that drawing companies have released, they nail the etched glass screen feature first and foremost and then build the device around it, the opposite of a regular consumer tablet
you used to need to go for pro models for etched glass, now its on the low end models, paradigm shift

>>7696660
>steam deck oled
I have the etched glass one. Dunno what it would feel like to draw on but it definitely looks great.
I'm interested in the wacom/xp-pen tablets but I'm honestly not sure if I'd want to spend that kind of money on another android tablet with the art software in its current state. As much as I hate Apple's walled garden the art apps definitely feel much more polished.

>>7696695
>Dunno what it would feel like to draw on but it definitely looks great.
yeah i was speaking purely for looks, afaik and from a short test of the nano texture at the store it's definitely smoother texture compared to a cintiq pro but it allows the pencil to glide more naturally without getting stuck with oils, etc like on bare glass, a lot of ipad artists that have tried it love it
if you are a one software kind of person and that software is Clip Studio then there's no difference between Android and iPadOS just so you know, if anything the Android device will give you a much easier time with file management
now if you want to start doing Procreate and the mobile Adobe apps then yeah ...not much choice there

>>7696709
CSP is ok on desktop (though I personally don't use it because linux) but imo not worth the subscription fee for the mobile version. I've just been using Krita and it's fine but the desktop interface really isn't suited for a small tablet and it's kinda buggy. On Ipad I swap between ASP and Procreate. Also have ToonSquid for animation.

reminder to avoid xp-pen tablets if you can afford.

>>7696340
fuck i wish i saw this sooner, i JUST ordered s10 fe

>>7696719
Just stick to wacom
I'm not even joking, their shit is overpriced, true, but at least it won't fuck you over a year after you bought an expensive new tablet. The only good thing about all the new competitors is that wacom was forced to lower there greed and release more affordable products

>>7696793
Just return it. Or keep it. Samsung tablets aren't bad, there's just better options.

>>7696719
What model is it?

>>7696839
Artist 24 Pro, they actually replaced it when i complained to the after sale service e-mail, so that's a plus.
honestly if xp-pen tablets weren't so shit with the drawings part, i wouldn't consider using anything else but the tablet, the image resolution isn't too bad, colors are alright ? (not sure on those) and they didn't ask questions when I sent the tablet back

>>7682586 (OP)

It's 2025, is there already an equivalent to Procreate on Android? As one time purchase?

I can't afford an iPad (+pencil) and the refurbished ones are almost the same prices as a brand new.

Just want to quickly pop in to say FUCK HUION and FUCK THE CHINESE

>>7696905
infinite painter

>>7696858
I've been using the Gen 2 model and so far it's been good.

>>7696368
Oh fuck man I am such a retard how did I make it this far. It was the wrong type of nib, I double checked and realize the correct nib is shorter than the other

I also did what you said and guess what even the correct nib feels smoother now, thanks anon

Anyone using the new Intuos Pro 2025 professionally, or at least daily for couple hours? I am interested in it's surface-how does it hold? I am still on my Intuos3, but that's only because I like its smooth and durable surface a lot, how is 2025 model? I hated the previous Intuos Pro just because it was rough as shit

>>7682586 (OP)
If you're a beginner looking at this thread, you don't need any of these fancy shits. Buy the cheapest tablet you can find and you won't even know the difference. Your scrub ass won't have the skill to make use of a better feeling tablet anyways. Buy cheap shit, see if it's for you, then practice and become better. Then you can buy a new board.

>>7689758
no
I use a pen tablet, and it was weird at first, but you get used to it. Then it becomes second nature.

The two schools of though are:

1) Pen tablets are better for your posture, and are better because your pen hand is not obscuring your art while you draw. There also much cheaper.

2) Display tablets are better because theres less disconnect between your hand and the screen, and feels more like traditional drawing.

If money was no option Id say try both and see what you like. Theres practical benefits to both, and the rest of it comes down to preference.

>>7697423
Screen tablets are just much more productive if you work mainly with line art, because it's mich more easier to put down a line in one go instead of having to redo them constantly which is, let's be honest, the case for non screen tablets

>>7682586 (OP)
Asking here in case anyone's in a similar situation but uhh, is there a budget tablet that can draw and take notes/do school shit? Student budget is kinda shit but if there are, I'd like to see the prices and choose from there.
Asking bros here since the draw part is more important than the school part, taking notes isn't very resource intensive.

>>7697537
All the android tablets like from Samsung/XP/wacom/GUI on are what you're looking for

>>7697654
*Fuck Auto correct I meant huion

>>7697348
true but never buy a small one
my first tablet was some dogass medium huion and it served me well for 5 years

>>7697675
If it's a screenless one smaller is actually better

>>7697654
>>7697655
Wait xp, Wacom and huion work as an android system that can load apps on the side? They work as android tablets? I always thought those 3 sold graphic tablets for drawing connected to a PC.
For Samsung yeah I assumed the android mainship title probably had tablets like apple.

>>7697683
Wacom and xppen both have standalone android tablets that have features primarily for drawing. Etched glass, same digitizers as their displays tablets, wide color gamut, etc. Wacom's is the movinkpad, xppen's is the magic drawing pad.

Xppen also has something called the magic note pad which is more focused on note taking, but you can also draw with it. I don't remember all the differences between it and the mdp, but iirc it has a higher refresh rate screen, with some other shit being worse

>>7693397
well i ended up buying it and it just came in the amil, from initial testing so far i like it, feels just like drawing with a real pencil for the most part.

>>7697458
Thats a good point, clean line art can be a pita with a pen tablet.

so its definitely possible to do all kinds of professional level art of any kind and style on the ipad, but are there any catches or gotchas that's not immediately visible outside of the apple circlejerk??
like I'm gonna buy a used m1 ipad pro and it turns it doesn't have a headphone jack, derp
anything else related to drawing? like is the sub csp the full actual desktop version? Access to all materials and features? Presumably no lagging or visual glitching associated with the single-threaded desktop versioa0ykgn?

>>7699077
tempered glass screen protector messes up pencil signal
magnets in a case will mess up the pencil signal too
drawing while charging with a fast charger will also mess up the pencil signal
file management is ass, iPadOS26 looks like ass too

>>7699630
>tempered glass screen protector messes up pencil signal
>magnets in a case will mess up the pencil signal too
Can't speak for tempered glass as I use a plastic matte one, but my case has magnets and I've never experienced any problems with the pencil. Same with charging but I don't know if the stock charger that came with it counts as a fast charger.
>file management is ass
Agreed

got a hand-me-down older model surface pro, I think gen 7? no pen. it's mainly used for work outside of the house but since I now have this, do I just buy a pen and draw with this outside? is it shit? anyone have experience with these tablet/laptop hybrids?

>>7699747
yeah its a confirmed problem with fast charging, i doubt the included charger is fast charge knowing how cheap they are
the magnet thing might be an specific issue, its definitely less common than with samsung tabs where the magnets there really mess things up

>>7699077
2 questions
Price, and if you're okay with used
Answer these and pretty much all your questions will be answered

Also with higher processor gens (snapdragon 8gen 1 and up) you don't even bother with phone apps, you can emulate most light weight (pretty much all drawing software) on Winlator

What are some drawing pads that have tilt? Preferably on the cheap side but if there aren't any then I'll just buy it

what monitor size should I get? i'm drawing on a screenless tablet.

>>7700588
doesnt matter what size your tablet is, it'll work the same so get whatever monitor you want

>>7700610
oh i know what. i wasn't too specific, my bad. i want to know what's the best monitor size so i won't feel like my display is all cluttered. right now i'm using a laptop, and say in CSP, i had to make all the menus smaller and really zoom out of the canvas to see it whole, or minimize the reference window to the point where i couldn't really make out the forms and lines.
>t. /beg/

>>7700621
dont buy stationary 16" tablets thats for sure, might as well grab a big iPad Pro/Air at that size
i'd never go below a 21//22 for display tablet, I used to daily drive a Cintiq 22 and that shit was legit, plenty of size for Clip Studio UI, realistically around 17-18" of real drawing space

What’s the cheapest iPad I could buy that would let me:

>Use Procreate

>Work with the Apple Pencil (I’m not sure about the difference between the 1st and 2nd gen)

>Draw with multiple layers without lag, and maybe try animating someday

>Not have to worry about replacing it anytime soon

I think I could get used to any screen size, I just want something I can draw on, whether I’m at work or out and about.

>>7682587
this is why i use a mouse

>>7700898
based

>>7697537
>is there a budget tablet that can draw and take notes/do school shit?
right now its either samsung fe tab or ipad a16,
both are around 10-11" in dimension, both are made for student, both are good for drawing via csp/procreate.
>tab fe
samsung tab is decent, and you can get their pen for free, but the downside is that they are below flagship model (the non fe ones) and they are equipped with exynos chip - the most dogshit sonofabitch chip that ever exist award - because not only that its sucks at everything, their quality literally degrade over time because of core problem and alike within 1-2 years of usage. If you want to use this FE tablet for drawing though, they are generally more than enough, but make sure to save more money to buy another tablet in a few years because of they are not that long lasting in terms of quality.
>ipad
ipad is good and you can get procreate if csp is not your preference. but you wont get that pen for free, you have to spend another $100 or so to buy yourslef their pen and use it to draw.
>so what should I get in here?
so if budget if your concern go with tab fe, if longetivity is your concern go with ipad

>>7691024
Expect heavy latency with Bluetooth.

does intuos pro/cintiq pro drawing tablets go on sale via black friday? im in usa

isnt 11 inches too small for a display tablet?

>>7701620
never ever officially, just random amazon discounts
only the peasant/children products like wacom ones go on sale
not kidding btw

>>7701803
Shit is like bigger than A5 sketchbook. You dont need a bigger screen in your display tablet unless you're a professional chud. Even 13 inch display tablet is like A4 sketchbook size

This schizoden is still alive? lol

>>7702583
well paper has no ui

shit, anon was right
i wasn't planning on using Procreate but Clip Studio instead so i'm holding off from an iPad purchase for now ...fucking Wacom why would they only release an underpowered 11" device with superior drawing tech, what a waste

Kamvas 16 (2021) has wobbly line issues. Anyone else experience this? Tried many things but nothing fixed it.

>>7703028
just get an mdp...

>>7703135
isnt wacom movink at the same price?

mouse bros.... See what they need to imitate a fraction of our power?

is screenless ok if i draw on mainly paper?

I just installed my Paperlike and a single spec of dust escaped my watchful gaze, and now I have like, a single black "pixel". Should I just endure it and hope my brain tunes it out? Or just say fuck it and waste the spare screen?

>>7702894
If you're scared of that one csp desktop ui, they have the minimalist(tm) version in their mobile app. But I dont remember whether you can flip the screen and draw vertically in there though because I keep forgetting to do that

>>7703309
its fine, but you probably want to get yourself a large sized desk for an easier hand movement when it comes to sketch and line art with screenless tablet

>>7703125
>Kamvas 16 (2021) has wobbly line issues. Anyone else experience this?
How should people test for wobble? I can do it free hand, but im shaky so of course the lines will also be shaky.
I see other people do it with a ruler or something else, and when I do it with my Kamvas 16 (2021) the lines are fine unless I go painfully slow.

just bought a used m1 12.9 ipad pro; any 10 artist exclusive tips and techniques here? I've never used any idevices beforehand, and seems there's a lot to be learned before even starting to make artwork
while this sounds like faggy listicle bait, practically any such online only concerns general use and none related to digital artists, like does it matter which brand of matte protectors in use? or does the pencil nip wear down fast? I have to buy genuine apple fuckyourass USB c cable or risk motherboard damage? bruh and I thought wacom wanting constant nip replacement is bad

>>7703803
I think it's only happening in an old version of paint tool SAI.
What program are you testing it in?

>>7703234
>please give me the smaller tablet with identical hardware that costs more because it has a wacom logo on it

>>7704118
CSP, Krita

>>7704571
Yeah those work fine for me for the most part. Sad though because I've always preferred SAI.

>>7704536
it doesnt cost more tho and its 0.75 inches difference

>>7704536
>>7705098
Actually wacom is cheaper lmao

What are some good drawing pads with tilt? I was gonna buy a huion but this thread freaked me out

Is op pic outdated?
Should one still buy
>Samsung Galaxy Tab S8/S9 Ultra, used iPad Pro 12.9" Gen 1-5
over stuff like xp-pen, which some people ITT seem to recommend?

>>7705849
>>7705906
https://docs.thesevenpens.com/drawtab/recommendations

>>7705906
Yes. 13" Ipad is a beast and samsung peaked at s9 so you dont need anything else than both of those tablet to draw (samsung s10 is a massive failure). But again, tablet is aimed for portability, if you're guy who spent most of your days outside you'd want to get yourself a tablet, but if you prefer to draw in your room get yourself a display tablet. A 22" display tablet have the same price range like 13" tablet, so you might want to consider that as well

>>7705906
standalone tablets suck no matter what, OP is an AInigger who doesn't draw and you shouldn't get your purchasing opinions from 4chan or the internet at large without actual confirmation from people who use their tablets for a long time

Is a second hand Cintiq pro 13 worth getting?

>>7682631
Wacom Pen felt better to use for drawing. It's less grippy nibs. Steadtler Norris Jumbo has more rubbery nibs so it's better for writing or if you do more precise linework, and it's more comfortable to hold. I have both of them, I'd recommend the Wacom One pen.

>>7706821
For me personally, smaller tablets make my hands cramp easily since it's harder to draw with a full arm. HOWEVER, it's completely doable. I started off my art career on a wacom bamboo (TINY little thing) and once my art showed profits, I bought something better. Think of it as an investment to start.

>>7682586 (OP)
wanted to chime in as I've been using the last gen XP Artist 22 Pro for the last 5 years and picked up the Wacom Movink 11 since I'm going out of town for awhile. It's...fine. I was expecting to be blown away by the famous Wacom Pen (tm) but it's barely any better than the one I've been using. Dunno if the Wacom shilling is just a meme or what but they're pretty much the same.

The android version of CSP is good, it's about 1:1 feature parity with the desktop version. Oh except for one little thing. The fucking dialogue boxes on the Cancel and Ok buttons are switched???? and I can't find a way to switch them back. This is pretty fucking aids as my muscle memory is so strong I will sit there and click Cancel like a retard 2-3 times in a row before I slow down and force myself to click the right one. Which of course is going fuck with me again when I switch back to desktop. Love it.

>>7707477
Wacom at this point is just a meme you can work with a majority of the alternative tablet brands with little to no issue so long as you don't get like an older model tablet.

>>7707477
Socials/blog?

>>7706836
>I'd recommend the Wacom One pen.
That'd only be the case if he can get his hands on the GEN1 variants, GEN2 Wacom One pens are unironically dysfunctional with fucked up pressure handling.

>>7707529
which one is the gen 1? the black one or the grey one i was planning on buying the grey one because it has 2 buttons

>>7707691
gen 1 is the black one with the "flared" tip
although eternal reminder that it has 5g IAF so here's hoping you enjoy putting the pressure down

>>7707477
huh...

Wacom is partnering up with Blender.

https://www.blender.org/press/wacom-joins-the-blender-development-fund-as-corporate-patron/

>>7705849
I recently upgraded to a newer Huion Inspiroy 2 from an older Huion tablet. On my older model the tilt would spaz out when turned on, but the new one works fine.

>>7707477
>but it's barely any better than the one I've been using
even among your own chink brand there are better pens that were released after that xp artist 22
you're a lying fuck, there are direct tablet competitors from xp pen released this year as well and the pens are still inferior to the movinkpad
again, you're a lying chink fag

>nodraw
>notablet
>aggressive lashout
only way it could be more /dtg/-standard is if you posted with a stock picture of a tablet

>>7686354
who's that fat fuck?

I haven't unboxed the medium size Wacom One is it any better than a small Intuos? Or is it relatively the same except the size of the tablet?

>>7707477
>I was expecting to be blown away by the famous Wacom Pen (tm) but it's barely any better than the one I've been using. Dunno if the Wacom shilling is just a meme or what but they're pretty much the same.
correct

>>7708376
the differences are basically just for (you) to jerk off to new numbers, they barely feel any different. people that actually draw don't give a shit.

A cintiq 12wx still worth It?

My desk is too cluttered. How do you guys store your (display) tablets when not in use? Ideally I'd just have a separate desk for art but unfortunately I don't have the space.

>>7709875
I bought a 4000sqft house so I would have room to fit my big ass desk

chink shills remind me of oldschool console fanboys, i never knew they'd go so low just for a tablet maker kek

>>7709820
absoluitely fucking not. I had one in like 2015, its an incredibly ancient piece of hardware now with a screen that you will never be able to color calibrate properly, is very small, and has huge bezels. Its just so old theres no reason to go for it

I finally went for a screen tablet.

>>7693804
I went with a galaxy tab S10 ultra 14inch. I wanted to consume media, comics/anime/movies as well. And I already have a medium intuos 5 that works great.

and it's better than i imagined. Everything is smooth as butter. And the S-Pen is incredible. (I also picked up an EMR pen from staedtler, and a huion remote. I bought all the art apps I could find. I love infinity painter. And drawing is bed is so freeing. And I can just pick it up and draw whenever I want instead of having to move shit around on my desk open photoshop, etc.

I am loving this thing. I think between this and my screenless. I am set for a while. If I were to ever make money, i'll gun for the cintiq, but for now. I'm set!

>>7710369
how do you find the staedtler pen out of the bunch? ive read comments that it's the best s-pen replacement for drawing against the bare screen without screen protectors bc it's also a bit rubbery (but better), is that right?
i'm torn between buying a movinkpad11 or splurging a bit more for a Tab Plus/Ultra, one has better "drawing" the other is just a better overall device ...but drawing is king

Is it possible that I can't get used to screen tablets? I have an xp pen artist pro 19 and a Wacom Intuos pro and I feel crippled on the xp pen in terms of line control. I constantly redo lines/strokes I would do perfectly or in lesser time on the intuos. Also drawing on a screen feels very smoothed out compared to screenless where I can do the exact angles and line connections I need.

Maybe the issue is in posture or pen grip? I tried both iPad and xp pen so I doubt it's in chinese tablets being worse quality.

>>7710393
i don't have enough experience with tablets to tell you if it will improve your experience. but i enjoy both the s-pen and the jumbo staedtler pen! i was reading that some people don't like the screen on the samsung. but it's not bothering me. as i said i'm not a tablet guy.

i also did get it for movies and comics, i am already in the android/samsung ecosystem through my galaxy phone, so that was a motivating factor.

honestly super happy with mine. you might be able to find discounts, and i think their next model is launching in a few months.

Copped an S10+ before reading up on peoples anger over the cpu but gotta say I've been loving it it's my first tablet thos so nothing to compare it to. Found myself drawing 10x as much.

Out of curiosity what am I missing over an Ipad pro or xpen?

>>7710611
ahhh ok anon, enjoy the device then! happy 4 u

>>7711165
with an ipad pro you could actually touch both the screen with your fingers and apple pencil and have them work at the same time; see the gestures in procreate where you could double-finger-tap undo without actually lifting the pencil, or that smart shapes thing where you draw a shape, then keep holding after which the shape turns proper as in a poorly drawn circle actually becomes round, THEN you tap with a finger while still having the pencil on the screen which actually auto-adjusts the shape even more
Not to mention numerous other similar gestures like copying a layer to another project, by holding the layer then using the pencil to tap back to gallery then open another project then paste it there (the copied layer stays in a small hovering picture all the way through as long as your finger remains on the screen
You can't do this with any other devices - the retarded palm rejection is either pen OR finger only, unlike on ipads where it accepts both at the same time

>>7711209
Hmm I see, although neat I don't think any of that is worth the much higher price I'd have to pay and I've definitely been doing the auto shape creation so thats for sure not ipad exclusive. I think most of all I would like the slightly wider shape of the 13".

>>7711165
should've wait until thursday because they will announce s11 series and you can get a cheaper s10 by then, and I think s10+ use mediatek dimensity chip while the fe ones use exynos, nobody get mad over mediatek afaik, exynos however...

>>7711439
Tons of people hate on mediatek what are you talking about. It's garbage for emulation and a clear attempt by Samsung to cut costs on their flagship series.
No chance 10+ drops anymore than it already has since there is no s11+ size coming.

I draw with a Huion crusted in food and with completely fucked up drivers that cause the cursor to skew an inch from the pen in random directions. Yet I love this tablet. It beats traditional materials any day.

should I boughted an ipad to learn how 2 draw

Since OP is a worthless cunt on Wacom's payroll, someone please recommend me a 27+ in Chinese display tablet.

>omg what a shill
>ok give me options from shills from the competitors
>this is totally organic btw

>>7712020
I'd rather have Chinese shills than Japanese shills shilling me a fucking $3.5k tablet.

>>7682586 (OP)
I fell for the "XP-Pen Artist 13 is the best budget display tablet," and it sucks so much.
The pressure is inconsistent, press slightly hard, and it scratches the screen, and the lines are too thick, press slightly light, and it stops detecting the pen.

>>7712023
>i'd rather have chinese shills
literally why, chinks are way more subhuman than japs in every way, WHY would a westerner simp for an insectoid like that
>$3.5k tablet
nobody is shilling for such a ridiculous device, look at all the price points you can pick from

>>7712030
Do you really think posting racism instead of facts will change my mind?

>rasusm
you reek of jew, don't ever (You) me again jew

>>7712038
I asked for tablet recommendations, not to hear your opinion on Chinese people. You don't strike me as an intelligent person, but I guess that figures for a Wacom shill.

i'm a tourist. i have to wonder - does OP actually draw or is he just a hyperdistilled 4chan autist? it's bizarre seeing no discussion beyond "this brand sucks because 1000 million times folded nippon steel is better!". people in this general (or just the OP? i don't fucking know) argue and blow shit up out of proportion over shit that most artists wouldn't give a shit about.

tl;dr: can't you all just get along desuwa

>>7712090
OP is a /g/tard aifag who doesn't draw and shitpost about chinks all day for fucking literally decades.

>>7712114
i see. that's quite sad. i hope he gets paid well, at least.

>>7712038
>Calls people jews
>Supports and shills the brand with jew prices
I oftentimes wonder what's going on in that little pea sized noodle of yours wacumtard

>day 6 of having a crapplepad
>you have to manually confirm to download zips, which then you have to manually move to the files app and manually unzip
shit is getting gayer and gayer with every passing day

>>7713098
blame google/samsung for doing fuck all to appeal to artists, the hardware is there they just refuse to make Tabs something more than youtube screens

>>7713098
im gonna buy a crapplepad
it's simply better than anything else on the market

BREAKING NEWS:
IN A PREVIOUS POST, I SAID SCREENLEES TABLETS ARE SHIT
I FOUND OUT THAT THEY WORK LIKE A CHARM ON A LAPTOP
IF YOU'RE A LAPTOP BRO SCREENLESS TABLETS ARE A-OKAY
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION

>>7713205
Literally the worst standalone drawing tablet on the market outside of shit like the kamvas slate 10

>>7710554
in terms of the smoothed out feeling of drawing, i found that felt tip nib + a matte screen protector (i bought a laptop one and cut it to size) made a huge difference. The matte does make the image quality a little worse but its a good tradeoff for me.

>>7714157
?

When is apple going to release a pencil that doesn't suck? With ergonomics? Buttons? Type C is the only one worth buying and it's the cheapest one

>>7714484
surely there's a third party pencil for that, right?

>>7714602
kek, lmao even

>>7714609
i should have figured, but damn.

Why would anyone have a large quantity of drawing tablets? They're not even intuos pro.

>>7715369
probably an office that's decommissioning them for new stuff. i got my xp-pen for free when my brother was handling his company's decommission stock.

Just saw the announcement for galaxy tab s11. This thing is not even worth it for general tablet users let alone drawfags kek
>spen got remodel to look like apple pen
>no bluetooth in spen
>cutting several other tablet functionality
>put the £1400 pricetag for ultra version
If any of you think of getting S11, maybe for that free 6 months of csp thing, then forget it. S9 and S10 are way more better in terms of value compared to S11 table. Drawfags are not part of their target consoomer now

Is an old PTH851 Intuos Pro Large worth it if I can get it cheap?

>>7716432
Yeah, they are still one of the best screenless tablets you can buy. As long as the surface isn't too scratched up and the USB connector isn't loose. Those things can be easily fixed though.

>>7715645
I just looked it up out of curiosity. Personally, no BT isnt a big deal since ive never used bluetooth features in a stylus. Pen pressure is wacom EMR anyway, and i turn off any buttons on my styluses.

It's ridiculous that a £1k tablet is running a Mediatek SOC though. Jesus christ Samsung, cheaping out on the cpu on a flagship device is retarded. It's literally worse than year old Snapdragon 8 Elites. But then again, i doubt it will make a difference when drawing.

>>7714602
You can put third party pencils on your iPad yeah, but none of them have pressure sensitivity so they are worthless. Either get an official one or don't bother

I've bought Lenovo convertible, not for drawing but music stuff.
It has a wacom digitizer and came with a pen, 4096 pressure levels, that stuff.
The display apparently is glass, but if I use it with the pen, pretty hard tip, there's a chance I'm going to ruin it?
Anyways, the touch and pen input ceased to be recognized two weeks after I bought it, hahaha. There's a visible dent in the bezel, where something inside it got very hot and actually melted it from the inside. Apparently that was part of the wacom stuff.
Just inconvenient, I have two years of warranty, but it stil takes time to get it replaced.
Have fun drawing guys!

budget or midrange display tablet recommendations? I wanna try it out without committing 500$+

samsung tab s11 ultra worth it?

I want to get a tablet for a junior artist, she uses her phone to draw with ibis paint and her finger at the moment. What are the best pen tablets without a display for her to use with her laptop?

>>7716661
Nah the worse bits other than CPU are:
>no tandem oled
>no etched glass option
>no wacom emr upgrade to 8k
>bluetooth s pen out (never accept takebacks)
>not negotiating with creative apps for ports
>no detachable keyboard case with strong stand
>performance is totally nerfed compared to phones
There's absolutely 0 reason to buy a Galaxy Tab nowadays, why overpay for Android and why avoid an iPad Pro at the same price point?

>One by Wacom
>Wacom One
>Wacom One (display)
These are all separate products.

What the actual fuck are they doing?

I'm scared to get a display tablet because I could scratch the screen.

>>7718581
i'm scared it won't be as comfy to draw on as a screenless tablet

I'm thinking about getting a Samsung Galaxy Tab s6 Lite, since I want something very portable, I travel often.
Anyone has this tablet? Are ya happy with this purchase?

And are there are additional accessories that are nice to have with that Galaxy Tab s6 that I should buy? I imagine a case is a must, but what about a keyboard? How do y'all ctrl-z without it?

>>7718256
medium or large size, small ones are bad for your wrist. new or used depending on your budget.
Wacom, Xencelabs, Huion and XP-Pen are all good. They mostly have all the same features these days. Wacom and Xencelabs have a bit better build quality but are more expensive. They might want a wireless one to be easier to use with their laptop, unless they have it set up on a desk.

>>7718581
buy a used one for cheap that's already scratched up a bit

>>7718587
they aren't very comfy to use compared to a screenless

>>7718276
Forgot: No Wifi 7

I used a screenless tablet for 10 years. ctrl+f "screen" to see /ic/ opinion on screen vs screenless but seems like there is no consensus.

i am so undecideeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed

budget is big because I plan to keep whatever I buy for another 10 years+

>>7718904
The general consensus that it's personal preference and pick your recommendations over thesevenpens website (https://docs.thesevenpens.com/drawtab/about-thesevenpens) instead of schizo OP. I saved 5 minutes of your time, you're welcome.

Ok I managed to return my movinkpad and cintiq 16 inch for a 24 inch tough, I kinda like it but I need a stand, probably the huion one which has a pen older on it too.
My only gripe with it is that the display isn't as amazing, I wish it was 4k instead of 2.5 because you can definitely see some ui and stuff be blurry or pixelated if you're looking at the screen upclose which is kinda what you do when you're drawing on it anyways so that's a miss. Even the huion 24 inch is in 4k, the xppen also seems to have better specs but I'm fine with just the 100% srgb since I'm not doing anything to do with print and stuff and anything else would be overkill. I think they should've released a 22 inch version too since the 24 one is kinda too big but the 16 ones too small and doesn't have touch.

>>7718904
You don't need to buy a wacom intuos if you want a screenless, just get an xppen or huion screenless. They should be about 8k pen pressure and have thicker and slimmer pens as options and should also just be plug and play. The only thing to be careful about is not buying a small. Medium size is typically what is recommended always.

>>7718987
*touch not tough

>>7718977
>>7718990
thanks, finally decided im going screenless

>>7719041
Yeah screenless is good enough to draw to be honest, no need for a screen one, I only got mine because I needed a 2nd monitor anyways. Just don't pay for anything beyond $100, I got my screenless huion one years ago and it was only like $69 and still works fine), no different than an intuos.

>>7719041
Remember to not let Zhang fool you. He is posting here specifically to shill low quality crap that breaks down easily.

Never buy XP Pen or Huion.

>>7719164
I bought a Huion 7 years ago and another one 5 years ago, they both worked fine, I have a wacom cintiq 24 inch touch 2025 now because that fits what I wanted.
There is absolutely no reason to buy an intuos or any wacom non screen tablets. Even the screen ones seem to be competitive in terms of specifications and honestly I only bought mine because I could, if I didn't I would've waited for a huion or xppen new release of their screen tablets with less bezels/buttons or just simply got the 4k xppen/huion they're selling for less though even if only a few hundred dollars less. Infact wacom seems to retain their value and sells for a relatively reasonable price, if a 4k low bezel fanless and light design comes with better specs I will probably sell my cintiq for something that performs just as well and provides more than their new release.

>>7719177
BTW I didn't buy the other one 3 years later because it "broke" or whatever else, I infact liked it so much that I wanted to buy something similar again but this time without me having to charge the pen which was annoying so I got the no charging one which was probably an updated model.
In that time my choice was either buying a huion/xppen screenless or a wacom intuos that had the 8k pen pressure, the difference in price was me spending about $60-$70 on the alternative brand or having to spend like $320 on an intuos or something stupid, I definitely went with the huion and had no issues with it and it still holds up just fine even today and I'm saying this as a guy who also managed to get a hold of a large intuos and have messed around with other ones. My first wacom was a wacom bamboo which used to be sold for $20 or $25 or something back in the day which only had 2k pen pressure, I was given an old intuos or something to me once which was silver back in the day and it had 8k pressure then and ofc I didn't want to spend triple digits on it once that died, though the price bump from $20-25 to $60-70 was more reasonable for a similar product. The go to for screenless tablets is always medium sized, 8k pen pressure and never paying beyond $100. If I can recall there still are some wacom products being sold that don't even have that basic spec, it should've been a standard by now.

>>7719177
That doesn't say much coming from a Chinese shill like you.

The issues are abundant. Xp pen and Huion make poor quality products with cheap manufacturing process. No amount of shilling from you will change that.

>>7718904
roughly

screenless
>better posture because you're looking at PC instead of screen
>cheaper
>arm does not cover artwork
>imo less annoying to use
>takes time to build up hand eye coordination

screen
>lineart is much easier to draw at first
>you can draw in bed or on the train maybe

>>7719202
you are vastly overestimating the effect of pen pressure

>>7719890
Not really, if it didn't feel and perform as great then no brand would've moved beyond 2k to 8k, but I must say anything beyond 8k seems like a meme. I tested both 2k and 8k in the past and the bamboo which had 2k pen pressure definitely felt terrible to draw on due to poor sensitivity, however I dunno people worked professionally with them in the past when those were the only options so maybe it's a skill issue.

>>7719209
Wacom is also made in china. I did not face any issues on mine and it has sustained itself over the years. My reasoning over the specs and price point speaks for itself.

>>7719746
Screenless also saves you even more money if you buy a calibrated monitor instead of a screen tablet, I got mine for $175 which if you add up a huion or xppen screenless you're still under £300 which is cheaper than a single wacom intuos pro (LOL), meaning you can draw and have colour accuracy in your work on a budget.

>>7718904
BUY A SCREENLESS ONLY IF YOU HAVE A SMALL SCREEN LIKE A LAPTOP, IT WORKS PERFECTLY WITH THAT, DON'T BUY ONE IF YOU HAVE A BIG SCREEN IT'S CANCER

>>7718987
you should have gotten the 16-inch one. I bought the really old one, the one where everyone says it's ass cuz it has no etched glass AND shit resolution (even for wacom this is exceptionally jewish), but I still love to draw on it, and because it's so small, the shit resolution isn't really that noticeable

>>7720005
It also depends on the size of the tablet. Being able to feel this in real time by resizing your screen makes this really apparent.

>>7720011
OH YES >>7718904 DON'T GET A BIG SCREENLESS TABLET GET EITHER MEDIUM OR SMALL THE BIG ONES FEEL LIKE DOG SHIT

>>7720005
Unless it's some ultra wide screen I think he'd be fine because you can map the display to the wacom tablet, however it's recommended he gets a medium sized tablet to make navigation and drawing feel fine. I used my huion on a 27 inch monitor.

>>7720009
I got a 16 inch cintiq and a movinkpad because both would sum up to be less than a cintiq 2025 touch but it was smaller than what I'd expected and it had issues with connection. If you're on pc you have to use a mini hdmi cable, usb-c and a power usb-c, you don't get a mini hdmi cable from the box and stuff so I returned it and the movinkpad (the spec was a bit small and outdated plus I didn't want to pay money for clip studio paint). I just got a 24 inch touch because I can pirate the softwares and use it as my 2nd screen, if huion or xppen makes something like it for cheaper and maybe 22 inch I'll get it probably.

>>7720021
*and 4k