Thread 7686399

Art is subjective, but learning art can be highly regimented. What are the best, most proven guides for learning how to drawfag?

These guides must:
>provide detailed instruction
>cover all relevant aspects of drawing, from technique to fundamentals
>articulate each step of the process, why the learning exercises/material were chosen over others
>have proven results. I.e. people who have successfully completed these courses and demonstrate the advertised level of mastery

Unfortunately there are a lot of grifters trying to sell you on a course, or even just people making shit up with no experience or evidence. You even get trolls intentionally misleading people, especially here on /ic/.

kill yourself

>>7686399 (OP)
Most people ngmi no matter what they do. So just do whatever you want. Whatever you think is right.
Chances are you ngmi.

Play video games instead :)

>>7686399 (OP)
i honestly doubt it matters which one you pick
once you have a basic grapple on drawing its kind of self explanatory. at that stage you can figure out for yourself what you need to tackle to improve, you dont need to follow a strict curriculum.

>>7686399 (OP)
GO TO COLLEGE YOU FUCKING TWATS NONE OF YOU FUCKS EVER BRING THAT OPTION UP
>but my debt
DO COMMUNITY MY GOD

>>7686399 (OP)
>What are the best, most proven guides for learning how to drawfag?
There's a book called 'The Natural Way to Draw' by Nicolaides, which is fairly applauded, that's less about learning how to draw through guided lessons like most drawing books, and more about a curriculum or regiment aimed to teach you drawing. It does have standard lessons within, but you could probably supplement those with other books on the subject (Loomis for figure drawing, for example).
I think the book is meant to take you a year to get through if you follow its lesson plan?

I haven't gone through the book in great detail myself, so take a quick look at it and see if it's something your looking for.

>>7686399 (OP)
There's no guide like that. You're just procrastinating by looking for the perfect guide.
Closest we've got is the academic drawing method. That's the only kind of drawing course that has stuck around and produced great artists.

Nigga just do proko, it doesn't fulfill all of what you want, it's not perfect, but it's good enough and even great for learning what you want to learn

Analysis paralysis is a bitch for beginners, specially in drawing

>>7686524
But how?

>>7686399 (OP)
>we have purposely trained him wrong as a joke.
Sums up the entirety of contemporary western art. Simply amazing.

bait thread but ive noticed that everyone that has ever asked how to start and the best way to start before even starting has never ever made it. not a single person i've seen has made it or even become competent. everyone that I've seen do this ended up abandoning their art accounts, stopped posting about art, their blogspot stopped updating, etc

>>7686603
yeah i think all rigorous methods for improvement are prebegtraps. trying to follow detailed instruction was so fucking boring when i first started out
even here in threads like this you will never see them end in op posting something they've drawn. howie took multiple years to start baiting with real attempts at drawing

>>7686603
Classic case of armchair expert; someone who stacks up theory and whatnot instead of refusing to put in the time and work that is needed to actually git gud.
Many such cases

>>7686399 (OP)
There are no resources out there that even attempt to teach someone how to draw from 0, and it's probably not possible, either. Everyone has to figure out the basics of drawing for themselves with no help at all, and then seek out guides to fill whatever holes they have in their skills/knowledge afterwards.

>>7686662
What is needed, anon?

>>7686399 (OP)
Literally just read Loomis

>>7686402
But how? That sounds complicated

>>7687138
I read it. It's just a collection of random facts and tips.

you should focus on learning fundies and learning how to see and think like an artist
3 of the main tenants i think before drawing from imagination are
1. dexterity, learn how to move your arm so it does the things you want it to do. this is the easiest thing to learn first but hardest thing to really internalize since its about gaining that muscle memory. it can only be developed throw lots of practice
2. observation and analysis. learn how to copy and rhythm in your subject. learn how to copy from references, and also notice patterns. this is where the see and think like an artist comes in. i don't think these two should trained at the same time when you're a beg. compartmentalize
and 3. hard knowledge of fundamentals. you have anatomy, color theory, and composition to learn. but i think the first thing you should learn is perspective since every other fundie builds off it

a lot of this stuff is kind of boring and takes discipline to really train but above all make sure you're also drawing for fun from imagination in between studies

>>7687216
also to add on, its important to learn the same information from separate sources
it helps give you a bigger picture on the subject material so you're developing your own understanding, not just copying (and failing) to emulate someone else

>>7687184
>I read it.
You're supposed to study it, not simply read it. Fucking draw along, and study his drawings using the techniques he just taught.
How can so many people not know how to use guides?

>"guys I need a guide to learn programming, where do I start?"
>multiple different helpful, full featured guides, plus books, plus online courses, plus college curricula/course lists, plus roadmaps, etc.
>"guys I need a guide to learn drawing, where do I start?"
>KILL YOURSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
what causes this phenomenon?

Keys to drawing -> Perspective made easy.
These two are musts. Foundational.
Dynamic sketching after them heavily reinforces one's observational and perspective skills while also focusing on draftsmanship. Highly recommended.
After that one should have enough skill to confidently start learning figure drawing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLqWX7onVmU

>>7687544
literally everyone can code and become a basic programmer, absolutely not everyone can draw or learn the "tricks" to start drawing for a living
a lot of crabs here just dont want to see more people "cannibalize" their already niche area, any newcomer is a threat

>>7687229
Because people think art is a system that will fit together perfectly if they can just figure it out and they'll be able to draw whatever they want whenever they want and it'll always look good. It's actually more like being some Cuban trying to maintain an old 40s car with nothing but spit, gum, pieces from other cars that shouldn't work but you forced in and shit you grabbed from the trash head. Sometimes it just won't start and you get a bunch of friends and beers and nigger-rig some half-answer.

>>7687569
99% of people on this board or otherwise do not draw for a living

>>7686399 (OP)

Proko drawing basics
>provide detailed instruction
yes
>cover all relevant aspects of drawing, from technique to fundamentals
yes
>articulate each step of the process, why the learning exercises/material were chosen over others
yes
>have proven results. I.e. people who have successfully completed these courses and demonstrate the advertised level of mastery
you can see the comments of the people doing the course

>>7687569
>a lot of crabs here just dont want to see more people "cannibalize" their already niche area, any newcomer is a threat
this is the funniest crab delusion. some faggot that can't even draw a proper loomis blook afraid of competition is scared of competition, give me a break

>>7687784
i mean that makes it even more pathetic senpai, i dunno what to tell you

>>7686399 (OP)
unironically do draw a box starting lessons. it cribs from other programs, but has some videos (or used to, dont know if still does) showing how to do each. dont autistically do the box shit. most people think you should be able to draw a line and understand weights and ghosting and so on. they dont even practice it. the early lessons have some line exercises for ellipses, line weights, etc. practice landing like airplane with your pen and lifting off properly instead of making blobs where you start and stop. do the ghosting exercises so you are actively thinking about the line you make before you do it like practice putting or baseball swings. get used to using wrist, elbow and shoulder for drawing. do these warmups daily for week or two before you do the actual lessons of whatever you move on to. id do draw abox up first couple lessons though. perspective, simple shapes and what not. do not sit around drawing 200 boxes or whatever nonsense. i dont like his other lessons for bugs and textures and shit, but if you like what you see, can do them.

the goal is to brute force learning your line control and quality. simple exercises repeated. can also do things like zentangles for line practice. monotonous at times, but good for early practices to break up just straight line stuff. give you something to mix it up.

once you can make a straight line or simple ellispes and some basic perspective knowledge, you can go do whatever. if you like ink, look into ink techniques (brush, gpen, microns, etc and how to use them and work on textures and how to render) or if you want portraits, just get into loomis and reilly rhythms. if you want anime, kill yourself.

>>7686556
Obsessed

>>7686399 (OP)
Drawing from life. Every master has done it

>>7686399 (OP)
a guide won't help you howie

>>7686399 (OP)
>These guides must:
Are you fucking prompting me us right now? I'm not PERSON GPT. Learn to talk to people like a normal fucking human being.

>>7687184
you have not eyes to see, nor ears to hear

>>7687544
>what causes this phenomenon?
programmers are an anomaly. They're the only profession that gives away all of their knowledge for free. Probably because a lot of them are idealistic communist hippies who believe in egalitarianism to the point it becomes detrimental. That's probably why their industry is in shambles after barely 50 years while industries that treat their knowledge as valuable are still doing fine

>>7687544
Drawing is way more ridiculously harder than programming. So the people who are tryting to learn to draw are up against a much "stronger boss" level, compared to programmers. You can see why people are so deperate and high strung here

>>7688606
I wouldn't call programming easier. But it's definitely more universal. You can't really write a guide to draw any more than you can write a guide on how to throw a football. You can go on about all the theory you want, but it inevitably comes down to personal intuition in the end. Most people just can't think creatively enough for that kind of independence.

>>7686459
This, art college is the single best thing you can do for learning art.

DO NOT just think you can watch youtube videos, these people are mostly grifters. Take out a student loan for art college if you can, invest in yourself.

>>7687569
Everyone can draw though. The problem is a lot of /beg/s try to skip straight to advanced stuff without building the most basic fundamentals, then get frustrated when they hit a wall. The other group just doodles without any plan or goals, doesn’t see improvement, and quits.

>>7688454
Most professions give away their knowledge for free. You want to learn high level chemistry, mathematics, and physics? Scientists go out of their way to make that available. You could study law or medicine, if you really wanted to. You just won't get a certificate verifying your knowledge from a respected institution. Programming was unique (not so much anymore) in that you could cut the line if you were decent and get by even without that certificate. Art has always been the way programming once was. Credentials don't get you far, skill is ultimately what people are looking for.

And it's funny, because within art it's really only drawing that's like this. You want to make art with metal? Maybe jewelry? There are a million youtube videos, guides, and books that walk you through, step by step, exactly how to get started.

>>7688616
>You can't really write a guide to draw any more than you can write a guide on how to throw a football.
You absolutely can. Or take something even more "subjective" - the golf swing. There is an entire industry built around systematizing and teaching the exact biomechanics of the golf swing.

>>7688637
There's mainly 2 types of begs, the ones who accumulate a lot of knowledge but don't draw, thus don't gain mileage putting that knowledge into practice, and those that draw a fuckton but never study, so they are never putting new info into their mind for their hand to adopt.
However, there is a third group you are missing, and that's headstrong retards who refuse to listen or take advice, and in my experience this is by far the biggest group and truly the ones who are NGMI. There's a bunch at my academy, but one stands out in particular. Guy's in his mid-40s and has been coming here for 9 years. Any little kid who's been here for a couple months easily mogs him, and you can see teachers give this retard the same advice over and over and over only for him to not listen and continue making the same mistakes, wondering why he's not making progress.

>>7686399 (OP)
I can tell u but I don't wanna
Im writing a book on it.

>>7688234
not op but if thats how u react u def didn't have any valuable insight on the topic. also foid probablty.

>>7686399 (OP)
>First three months
Just draw and feed your motivation. No study. Just draw and read motivational/inspirational content. Follow artists you like. Go to museums. Watch anime and cartoons. Watch movies. Find some event you think is cringe in your area and go to it anyway.

>Next three months
Find a beginner course. Stick with it and take it seriously. Come up with your own homework. If you question something the author says test it out, don't take everything as gospel. Make notes to stick on your desk/drawing board.

>From now on
You should better know your strengths, weaknesses, and goals and should be able to plan the next step in your education

>>7687544
that /ic/ isnt representative of the wider drawing community as a whole and most users here have already seen that exact question 100000 times to the point where they assume whoever asks something like that is doing it in bad faith

>>7687544
i don't know if you've noticed bud but op hasn't replied to anyone in this thread
you are a newfaggot

>>7688788
first one is important, getting into habit and learning to have fun is important

1. start drawing as a child on paper, walls, and small surfaces like the side of TVs.
2.also draw in class starting from first grade, even if it gets you in trouble
3. try to draw your favorite cartoon and anime characters by tracing them, have your parents put it on the fridge
4. when you enter middle school, start drawing with a mouse and posting your drawings on deviantart, its important to be proud of your beg drawings
5. after graduating high school, begin drawing seriously now that you have ten years of experience of not just drawing, drafting, sketching, and doodling, but also going through burnouts and low motivation periods.

>>7686399 (OP)
1 learn human proportions, practice them until they become second nature, first with construction then without
2 observe the shapes of your body in the mirror and try to simplify and replicate them in drawing

WHATS THE ULTIMATE ONE SECRET TIP TO GET BETTER AT DRAWING GUARANTEED THAT THE PROS DONT WANT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT AND CAN'T FAIL AND DOESN'T REQUIRE EFFORT AND WILL ALWAYS WORK NO MATTER WHAT AND DOESN'T INVOLVE DRAWING??!?!

copy until you can copy without looking. like running and similar pursuits, you need to draw to improve at drawing

>>7695542
I did that but then stopped drawing for a long time and lost it all.

>>7687544
This but music, I had great success learning how to draw following guides by anons

>>7697212
I find that music is pretty straightforward with the exception of the guitar.

>>7687561
don't know about the perspective made easy, but this sums it up pretty well. Though I did Vilppu alongside dynamic sketching, the two actually combine surprisingly well. (though dynamic sketching still comes first, it's more fundamental)

anyway sage, because OP will not listen anyway

>>7686399 (OP)
> Perspective Made Easy
> Fun With A Pencil
> Figure Drawing For All It's Worth
> Drawing the Head and Hands
> Successful Drawing
> Creative Illustration

Follow the video guides on youtube if you get stuck

>>7686399 (OP)
There is no ultimate start from 0 curriculum

You just have to make peace with an imperfect start and get started