Thread 7688035

Why should I ink and color this shit? lmao
I had an epiphany
Drawing a comic just in pencil is the ultimate time-saving trick
Do you happen to know of any artist that does that?
Any recommendation for a good scanner for pencil drawings?

>>7688035 (OP)
Canon

>>7688035 (OP)
>tfw one person is expected to do all these jobs these days and the few publishers still around refuse to take risks on new talent anymore and only back already successful entrepreneurs
thanks capitalism

>>7688035 (OP)
Mark Crilley has done most of his works in just pencil(regular 2B and Prismacolor black). The only exception is his Brody's Ghost comic because he really wanted to get a shonen look with inking it, but almost all his other works are just pencil, along with digital tones here or a different technique for coloring there depending on the situation.
If you wanna see a basic example on how he approaches that check this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV-PHqOYfLE
The only thing he skips is how he applied the green tone which sucks but Im sure you can experiment on a digital program for like an hour or maybe he has another video where he touches on that, cant recall.
But nah man his drawings from pencil to final product arent that different and you can still get something good looking if you can just tighten it up. As for a scanner as long as you get a more recent HP scanner you should be fine. I had a scanner that I got since before 2015 and it does the job just fine, so Im sure a more modern cheaper equivalent will be just as good for the job.

>>7688035 (OP)
Ink just looks better

Adam Warren

>>7688035 (OP)
Lackadaisy was originally drawn mostly in pencil, but got more and more digital over the years (of never updating)

I get the impression that ink is mostly just a convention from when details needed to be bold and crisp for printing reasons. The only issue you might run into with modern materials is your comic not 'looking' like a comic.

>>7688052
Good luck anon. Sounds awful lol
IM just a hobbyist so at least i dont have to deal with publishers kek

>>7688038
>>7688081
Many thanks. Ill look into it.
Another thing ive been thinking about is that sometimes if you get lazy you can use a flat point pencil and use it like a brush to suggest details for things like landscapes of effects

>>7688104
I was thinking the same thing. That inking becme the norm due to the fact that it had to be printed

I might even experiment drawing in pencil and coloring digitally. Just to see if it gives interesting results

>>7688100
Forgot about him lul

>>7688094
Sometimes you can create impressive illustrations in pencil

>>7688112
>Sometimes you can create impressive illustrations in pencil
Yeah but imagine how much better that would look with blacker blacks

>>7688052
Aren't that what those B-list capeshit series are for, I thought the whole point was to hire nobodies and draw random shit for as cheap as possible to see what works

>>7688118
Well i can't deny that

>>7688124
wtf is that

>>7688118
Some things just look better in pencils, a full value range isn't always great. Black blacks look pretty bad most of the time, especially when colored. A lighter black point gives a more soft and dreamy look.

>>7688124
That's how it used to work, but now you're expected to already have an established name for yourself on social media when in the past just a portfolio would have sufficed. American culture is shit for comics so business can't touch the Japanese. Europe does a little better but it depends on the country.

>>7688104
Ink is also archival. As long as the paper itself doesn't disintegrate, an inked drawing will still look good in 50 years. Can't say the same for graphite, sadly.
Graphite also has issues being digitized. It's notoriously tricky to photograph graphite because of how reflective it is.

>>7688035 (OP)
There were the Nathan Dusk comics by DC. They had a colourist, but the artist opted to skip having his work inked.
It's a good looking comic too.

I think the biggest issue is that many artists, while good draftsmen, are really all that competent in pencils as a medium and end up with drawings that look too sketchy or sloppy. Be sure to clean those pencils up, if they're the final product.
I will say that it's probably not as much of a time saver as you probably think - if you have to clean up anyway, and ensure your pencils are tight, clean, and readable, you may find that you end up putting as much work into doing that as you would have if you had simply gone over the drawing with inks.

>>7688104
>I get the impression that ink is mostly just a convention from when details needed to be bold and crisp for printing reasons.
You're almost certainly right, but I'd say we've already stepped away for the most part of using 'ink' when inking and instead just do it digitally. Solid strong lines, that copy classic comic inking, is just the easiest way to ensure your lines are readable - no need to reinvent the wheel.
You can point out that trad comics are almost always inked with india ink, but first they've got to clean up the lines anyway (so why not ink it?), and secondly, it's probably worth more to use ink. Why even do trad comics if you're not planning to also sell the physical original pages at some point and profit off them for a second time?

>>7688322
yeah. Though i think that you could clean up the focal point of the composition and then leave the rest sketchy (?
Some subjects like landscapes arent much affected by sketchy strokes I think
Though for close ups and all that its better to be detailed

>>7688322
Also
>Nathan Dusk comics
Awesome rec, thanks
Back when DC actually honored their name lol

>>7688035 (OP)
pencil's typically aren't dark enough to look "finished"
and its honestly more about compartmentalizing your steps
when you're drawing with pencil you're exploring ideas, thinking about value and form, and thinking of gesture
when you're inking you're finalizing your idea, thinking about how you are using line techniques, and general clean up

empowered is a notable and very pretty comic only done in pencils adam warren is a great artsit

Nausicaa is done in pencil. Was surprised to learn that. They just fiddled with the scan/print to make it inky

>>7688035 (OP)
Early Blade of the Immortal was drawn in pencil and it's one of the ultimate manga. Even the later chapters still had illustrations and finishing techniques drawn in pencil. It loses a lot of quality in the shitty amateur pirate scans that you see on all manga websites though because scanlators boost the contrast which gets rid of a lot of light tones from the original image. Attack on Titan also suffers from shitty scanlations since it uses a lot of really light screen tones.

The lack of pencil art in the Bakumatsu Arc continuation manga(drawn by a different artist) is one of the reasons it feels so fake.

>>7688322
>Why even do trad comics if you're not planning to also sell the physical original pages at some point and profit off them for a second time?
This is the reason american comics read like shit and cant do action scenes worth looking at

ink AND color you lazy fuck

NOW

>>7688763
>This is the reason american comics read like shit and cant do action scenes worth looking at
And you think that would be solved if americans did their comics by hand, rather than digitally, and didn't have the intention to sell their physical pages later?
Also, what was the last american comic you read? How many years ago?

>>7688035 (OP)
Cary Nord

>>7688766
This is a bad take. I've read several comics that would look worse if inked. Blade of the immortal and cary nords conan series would look like absolute dogshit if they inked over those pencil drawings.
It all depends on the artist.. Would have to see his work in both ink and pencil to be able to judge whether they should ink or not.

>>7688759
Stump isn’t used much over here but I noticed Japanese artists who do pencil art tend to use it. Must be cultural differences.

>>7688124
https://youtu.be/BH0N-kgMUbA

I have experimented with incorporating pen on top of the pencil,in this case Bic black ballpoint pens, and I have also done works starting with ballpoint, and then adding really dark lines with black gel ink.

>>7688035 (OP)
Ultimates 3 was Joe Mad pencils and Christian Lichtner on colors.
It made inkers look superfluous.

>>7688035 (OP)
supposedly miyazaki drew nausicaa with a pencil because he didn't like drawing with a pen and then they just upped the contrast on the scans to make it look ok on the final print
don't know how true that is, my memory is hazy and I watch too much youtube

>>7691710
This is ink.

>>7691710
That image is 100% ink. No amount of tweaking the contrast is gonna make pencils look like that.

>>7690989
it looked like shit. muddy mess. shouldnt have colored it at all if that was the outcome.

>>7688035 (OP)
Miyazaki did that with Nausicaa, and it's probably one of the greatest works of fiction ever made so why not

>>7688112
Sauce on this drawing?

>>7688052
With digital publishing and POD services, there really isn’t as much as a need to submit to a traditional publisher. Even if you manage to get published, the pay will be shit. You’ll still be chasing deadlines and looking for work once the project ends or they decide to cancel it because of shit sales. Your life will be being stuck behind a desk making your comic or doing art commissions non-stop until your mind breaks and you start trooning out.

>>7688035 (OP)
Pencil lines were harder for old 20th century printers to work with. The heavy contrasted black ink was much more suitable.
The inked graphic art style was both a recognizable treatment for comics media and also a functional part of the printing method.
Pencil comics did exist through. You might have to look at some Euro Comics / British Comics / Graphic Novels/ Underground Press stuff, but you will find them.

>>7692050
Pretty sure Miyazaki used ink for Nausicaa.
Maybe some pencil work was used in the water colour art he did for it, but the lines on top are definitely ink.

>>7688205
>Can't say the same for graphite, sadly.
What happens to it?

>>7691822
>>7691950
>inkcels don't know that the darkest graphite is as black as the devils asscrack
https://pencils.com/pages/hb-graphite-grading-scale

>>7696488
You're right, but there's something very... ink looking about the lines beyond just how dark they are, you know?
Looking it up very quickly, apparently the 'Miyazaki used pencil' theory seemingly comes second hand from a friend who said he used pencils for some of it, apparently.
So it's somewhat dubious how true it is, but on face value and judging just from the final result, it looks remarkably like ink.

>>7696461
>>7696522
nta but I just see conflicting rumors and gossip about Nausicaa being drawn in pencil. Some say he drew only the first volume in pencil, others say he drew the middle volumes in pencil and then others say he drew it almost entirely in pencil. Then some say he was so busy that he wanted to skip inking while others say that he considered pencil drawings as closer to his true style. Anyways the version I read all looked like pen and it would be hard to tell, especially if he gave his pencil chapters to the printer with the goal of passing it off as pen.

>>7688035 (OP)
>>7688759
Came here to mention Hiroaki Samurai. https://www.youtube.com/watch?si=-rYUVx5eHTw8YfM3&v=KwAOTwPY0oo&feature=youtu.be
Draw your comic however you want OP.

>>7697568
*Samura

>>7696459
guy delisle is fucking dogshit.

>>7688124
>Aren't that what
>are not that what

>>7688035 (OP)
imo you can because you're an amateur. i'm sure you can use this to your advantage to get some ideas out.

but when you're in the big leagues, it's expected to have a degree of polish. that's when people want to see inked comics.

>>7702699
Read the thread dunning krueger.

>>7702713
you are the one asking to take shortcuts

>>7702730
Guess again punk.

>>7696747
What is the size of those pages? I always tend to draw super tiny and get frustrated when doing trad.

>>7688035 (OP)
Pencil is for children