Thread 7689201

THATS HOW THEY DID IT BACK IN THE DAYS??? You all lied to me and said the old animation masters just freehanded everything on first try?? I've been using zero stabilization and manually drawing straight lines all these years when even the legends were cheating...

from https://youtu.be/GGrvfL66LVA?t=986 at 16:26

>>7689201 (OP)
No rules, only tools.

>>7689201 (OP)
Damn and Im just rawdogging my lineart/ refined sketch

>>7689201 (OP)
>>7689201 (OP)
I own some sketches from 1980's anime and cel animations. I always wondered how they got the lines so clean and sometimes without any line variation, this explains it. That circumference stencil is out of production or really expensive.
thanks for sharing

>>7689201 (OP)
How is this different from the brush smoother that's in every image editing software?

>>7689469
One moves real molecules, the other one shifts pixels.

>>7689201 (OP)
Not sure what credits this guy has under his belt but either way when you got a fucking deadline to meet mastering your own personal skills is second to getting the fucking drawings done. In a medium like animation where volume consistency is key to making the character look the same from frame to frame of course these are useful tools.
All those Renaissance Masters who flexed about drawing perfect circles were all fucking gay anyways, the only people who care that they did that are art history majors who think thats the coolest shit(theyre retards btw)

>>7689201 (OP)
>animation
they had deadlines week by week to slave by
it's not also like he got "good" by drawing with a curves with a stencil

Wait till you find out about camera obscura. And all the various mirrors used to trace, countless methods of tracing, image transfer. Then you will realize how dumb most freehand puritan are.

Much of my art roadblocks have come from me trying to do draw the "right" way only to learn everyone from the beginning of time used tools. I actually felt like I was having a breakdown when I learned classical painters basically used photoshop layers to give monotone paintings color instead of somehow being savants like I assumed they were.
With this too! I've always been curious how animators drew cartoons and movies and had such clean lines. I refused to use digital rulers while drawing because that's not something artists would have had, but they did and I'm just a fucking idiot! I'm purposely holding myself back through ignorance!

>>7689525
Digital rulers are a pain in the ass to manage anyway whereas traditional you can just rapidly move it around with your non dominant hand.

I tried using a ruler on my tablet. Eh..

>>7689550
even using a regular ruler on digital will not be the same as using a regular ruler on traditional

>>7689555
>>7689550
I think the problem is that digital pens don't draw from the point where it contacts the tablet but from inside the pen so unless you're holding it exactly vertically it will always be off. Might work with an ipad pen though since those do draw from the tip as far as i know.

>>7689550
>>7689555
>>7689559
Ive been drawing traditionally for years and been using rulers just fine.

>>7689583
rulers have their purpose but you should still learn to freehand straight lines (even the best artists lines weren't perfect)
trying to use a ruler on digital is retarded

>back in the day
Now too.
Not some japanese thing either. French Curves been a thing.

>>7689201 (OP)
Did you miss this part lmao, Fuck off Cris

>>7689525
>classical painters basically used photoshop layers to give monotone paintings color
excuse me what

>>7689469
because he's physically using his left hand to guide his drawing hand retard??

>>7689201 (OP)
>the swirly stencil
keeeek

>>7689812
glazing. thin layers of color

>>7689824
Those things give you the cancer.

>>7689541
Yeah I can't figure out how to properly use that endless curve one in CSP. I feel like the ends of my curves with it become a mess.

>>7689201 (OP)
Guess what?
They used references too.
Lots of references. Reference books were a whole fucking market. Can't find a good reference picture? Make one. It was legitimately easier to ask friends/family to pose for a reference picture than try to use your imagination.
How do you think those alcholic grandpa artists were able to pound jailbait ass for thousands of years?
>come on baby
>you're so perfect
>i need to use you as a reference
And they fucking meant it too.

The artists that look like they're producing shit really well freehand are doing so because its an image they've created a thousand times, usually with help from tools.
Do you really think digital media production took off so quickly because most professional artists LIKED fucking around with traditional tools and mediums?

>>7689521
>Wait till you find out about camera obscura. And all the various mirrors used to trace, countless methods of tracing, image transfer
Gimmicks that only serve to make the Freehand Master all the more impressive in comparison.

>>7689226
Only fools have no rules.
>>7689201 (OP)
Except he already can freehand the drawing if you were paying attention.

>>7689201 (OP)
So Japanese artists basically use architectural template ruler. All the freehand hocus pocus /ic/ told us is a sham

>>7690974
he literally says they could all do it freehand
>>7689636

>>7689201 (OP)
This unironically looks harder and more annoying than just freehanding it

>>7689226
AI is not a tool

>>7691173
It gives you a significantly cleaner line though

>>7689602
Came to post this.

They were my first art accessory purchase after pen and paper, always have them sitting under my monitor. I think I learned about them from the Scott Robertson HtD and maybe watching a Syd Mead tutorial (he liked using compasses a lot too)

>>7689201 (OP)
Almost every good artist doing great lineart uses stabilization almost at max

It's always funny to me when digital-only babbies or "digital art is just a bunch of cheating tools!!" tradfags forget that rulers, compasses, stencils, projectors, ellipse/circle pages, scissors, foldable paper, tracing paper, light boxes, post-it notes, etc etc exist. Like do kids these days not know how to draw symmetry by drawing half of something, folding the paper along the symmetry axis, drawing the other side, then opening the paper? And that's you can then place this drawing under another piece of paper, trace the whole thing, and have a perfectly symmetrical whatever-the-fuck wherever you want on your finished drawing?

>>7691794
And I will add that a lot of those kinds of "tradfags" aren't really tradfags nowadays, rather they're falseflagging AIfags who don't know fuckall about art.

No one on this stupid thread knows who Kanada is. Sad!

It literally says in the illusion of life to keep Mickey's head consistent they'd use a disc, using rulers and such tools for situations they're called for is perfectly legitimate and always has been. That said, in digital you have other options.

>>7689559
Screencel problem, goddamn everyday I thank god I'm an Intuos chad and knowing exactly where my fucking lines are going and have perfect posture.

>>7689636
>I could do it I just dont wanna
>b-but you have to learn how to do it because I said so

>>7689201 (OP)
shit who s this.... the tool dont look easing much tho. they rely on their body weigh and N1

>>7691694
At max? It's impossible to use over 20% stabilization

>>7689201 (OP)
At this point why not just use AI?

this is sad honestly, this guy can't draw those little ellipses without a tool it looks slower also

>>7701673
He demonstrates something he hasn't done in ages while explaining what he's doing, of course this isn't peak performance.

>>7689226
no rules, only rulers

>>7701842
of course, ...yea i got nothing fun to say. maybe thats whst it is. peak of tenseness. the mind was always just simple. thats why you didnt introduce your job properly other than...98 or whatever. or whatever man, look, its tiresome enough to look at a pretty one. its just useless dumb and all, and boy, i guess it stuffed itself with a bullet, like everyone do anwyay

>>7689201 (OP)
people are still animate manually in 2k25 ??

>>7689201 (OP)
Note the freehand drawing underneath
I imagine the tracing above isn't done by the same artist, but by more expendable draftsmen

>>7707282
Yeah well AI obviously can't do it as evidenced by your post.

>>7707287
are you sure?

>>7689226
Such as AI

>>7689226
Why can't I use fucking AI then?

>>7707315
>>7707424
You could.
It's good for making references.

>>7707424
ai is more like a crutch than a tool

>>7689201 (OP)
It's almost as if everyone has a different method to drawing or something.

>>7707502
At what point do you draw the line? Feels like it's all about how you use it.

>>7707502
>>7707622
Like >>7707431 said it's pretty useful for generating reference images since it can blend concepts together in a good enough approximation.
It's good for exploring styles, but very bad for handling more niche scenarios/complex poses.

>>7707424
>>7707502
Like anon said, its a crutch for most artists instead of the tool.
A artist that is weak in Perspective, Proportions, Colors, STYLE, ETC, You are pretty much giving up a lot of the creative work to AI. So really, all you do is redraw something you didn't create unless you make major changes.
Compared to OP's vid, the opposite is shown. He did the Perspective, Proportions, Colors, STYLE but used a curved ruler to help deliver the final drawing.
AI already easy to spot, and has a distinct style, you can tell if someone copied AI or edited one. Even if drawn from the ground up.

>>7707424
Well, for starters, it's not really a tool. A tool is something you use to make something - AI just does the making itself.
But even beyond that it's not really useful. Reference? It constantly makes basic mistakes, so anyone who's not already at a decent level of skill shouldn't be using it. Compositions, posing, idea generation, ect.? It trends towards the most basic shit, just because of how it works.
You're also doing yourself a disservice - you're taking the workload off your brain, so you aren't training your mind anymore. There's a lot of evidence to show how using AI rots your brain, why would you think this would be any different?

>>7690806
Great for arson, though.

>>7690916
Is this Freehand Master in the room with us right now?

>>7689428
>That circumference stencil is out of production or really expensive.
A set of French curves will work too

>>7690912
Alcoholic grandpa artists still recruit models that way to this day in fact

>>7689518
>when you got a fucking deadline to meet mastering your own personal skills is second to getting the fucking drawings done. In a medium like animation where volume consistency is key to making the character look the same from frame to frame of course these are useful tools.
>All those Renaissance Masters who flexed about drawing perfect circles were all fucking gay anyways, the only people who care that they did that are art history majors who think thats the coolest shit(theyre retards btw)
No truer words were spoken.