Thread 7707818

Why does this guy never improve?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6up0UHKlqOA

Dude doesn't have a target. He's just following directions. Sure he is moving. But he is not going anywhere.

At least he can probably monetize that youtube channel. There's that.

>>7707818 (OP)
never learned accuracy

>>7707841
did he mention any type of end goals? like what type of drawings he ultimately want to make or who he wanted to draw like?

>>7707818 (OP)
You guys never ask the right questions and you're all so fucking stupid that you only ever focus on the people that never improve so you can make fun of them instead of focusing on people that do improve so you can learn from them.

>>7707818 (OP)
He has very poor observational skills. Normally people can just improve their observational skills by "just drawing" but if it's still this bad after 96 weeks, then that won't work for him. He needs a mentor to guide and correct him at every stage. Some strict copying the Bargue plates or similar would help improve his observation skills.

>>7707855
learn animation or specialize in something? It's not clear

>>7707818 (OP)
If he got bullied for how bad he is, and for all the time he wastes, he’d finally get motivated and actually improve

>>7707899
Probably more likely to break him and make him give up.

>>7707864
He draws once a week

>>7707930
>Once a week
>Not even 10 or 30 minutes everyday
it's over

He does the same thing over and over.
>le circle for le head
>le two lines on each side of the face
>le triangle for chin
Likely, because he's seen people do it.
Doesn't measure, doesn't compare the lines, doesn't try to follow the reference's outline with his mind's eye. He even bought a pen tablet which only makes his already bad eye-hand coordination and muscle memory worse. Paired with1 hour of drawing a week, it's like drinking a beer every other Tuesday and calling yourself an alcoholic.

>>7707818 (OP)
Damn he is better than me.
Is there escape for being permabeg trash?

>>7707973
trace/photobash AI

>>7707818 (OP)
I am just assuming he has actual autism at this point

>>7707818 (OP)
What kind of advice can we give him?

>>7707864
You don’t really improve your observation skills unless if you’re actively thinking of it

>>7707818 (OP)
bbbeast

>>7707818 (OP)
he's simply just putting lines down, he doesn't stop to reflect, and he doesn't have a clear goal in mind. Wanting to "get better" is far too vague

>>7708101
observation is not that complicated though, it can be if you want to learn it that way but a lot of specific observation methods are concepts for things many begs might figure out intuitively
with enough time any prebeg can figure out how to make an anime copy accurate

>>7707818 (OP)
>last upload 10 days ago
Can't even maintain his once a week streak. The only advice that he should be given at this point is either draw 20x more frequently or just quit. Probably the latter because he clearly couldn't care less about drawing.

>>7708164
>>7708114
>>7708113
>>7708109
>>7708101
P Y W

>>7708101
the bargue course forces you to actively think about it

>>7708114
certain types of people won't ever get it themselves, they need an instructor to point it out for them and explain every step.

>>7707818 (OP)
He has no talent. Just like most of the people on this board.

>>7707818 (OP)
dude, thank you, you might have just given me my new art lulcow, embodied josh was my goat, but this is something new

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5qFEamM3Nw

>>7707818 (OP)
lord have mercy

>>7707818 (OP)
>He used the Lasso tool to fix the eye

I don't get how he could look at that picture and think
>yeah there's a slope going down towards her chin

>>7708294

>>7708099
He probably get more mileage out of drawing on paper. When he works 63 hours a week, I tend not to expect "studies" but rather I would encourage him doing something for fun.

>>7708203
yes obviously arbiter wolf needs a mentor but the other anon is basically saying everyone is like arbiter wolf which is just not true
>>7708165
why

>>7707818 (OP)
watching every single one of his videos so far, up to week 20, seems like another case of doing everything but actually drawing what you want, he is doing drills and research over just drawing what her wants the entire time.

>>7707818 (OP)
i'm working my way through the playlist, but a big error i'm seeing is that he doesn't compare or reflect right, when using references he never brings the sketch over to the reference to objectively compare where he got things wrong.
he constantly gets line angles and shapes wrong when working from reference, but without comparing it directly with the reference i don't think he'll ever be able to correct for these lapses in his observational skills.
like pic related, he has a bad habit of straitening out the angles of the reference by 20 degrees

he also does some exercises just wrong to where he's not going to gain any benefit from it. like i saw one of his earlier perspective drawings where you lay down two points and then draw some buildings using those points. and while he used the perspective points for blocking out the buildings and roads, as soon as he started drawing windows and doors he just ignored them and started eyeballing it, and getting angles completely wrong, even the ones that should be simple like just the straight lines going directly up and down for the sides of windows and doors.

>>7707818 (OP)
Now post your progress, OP

>>7708341
how do you draw what you want if you can't draw it??? retard

>>7707851
sippy bippy

>>7707818 (OP)
>Why does this guy never improve?
based on the th-fronting, I'd wager autism

>>7707861
>>7708402
It is unbelievably easy to be better than arbiter wolf sorry crabs
In an old arbiter wolf thread everyone tried to copy an anime girl he copied and literally all of them were better than his

>>7707970
i have to agree with this, 26 weeks in he did this, and this is after drawing hundreds of faces imitating the method of construction correctly. he really doesn't understand what the lines are for.

>>7707818 (OP)
2 years is NOT A LOT
I went from pre-prebeg to beg in 2 years and *I* thought I improved a lot back then.

>>7708501
he did it again, how the fuck did he unlearn this?
i had to go back to check if i misremembered him doing it right before.

>>7708509
he hasn't even reached low /beg/jamin. the guy has made no progress at all.

>>7708203
>certain types of people won't ever get it themselves, they need an instructor to point it out for them and explain every step.
How? If my observational skills never improved and nothing short of tracing gets me there then what the fuck do I do?
I see talented 14yo kids finger drawing on their phones better than anything I could do.
I am just permabeg.
>>7708509
I have seen anons go from 0 to pro in less than a year. Some have it so so easy.
>>7708524
Better than me ngl

>>7708541
you should make a youtube channel and document your art journey, spare arbiter wolf the slander. take one for the permabeg team.

>>7708509
you shouldn't be drawing like shit after a month max depending on your subject

>>7707904
Both are better alternatives to where he is now

should we try and guide him?

>>7708613
Yes, schizos on 4chan are what will truly set him straight

>>7708613
No don't touch the poo.
half of the people in /ic/ are begs themselves it will only result in people trying to pull him in different directions and ultimately him not listening to his comments anymore. Enjoy what you're getting.

>>7707818 (OP)
there's days when I think "maybe I don't have talent" and then I see this.
Inspiring.

>>7708613
he doesn't listen to comments

>>7707818 (OP)
fuck yea new arbiter wolf thread

>>7708257
>embodied josh
I miss him bros

>>7708690
i still let his vids play in the background as i draw, they are such a train wreck of learning

>>7708693
>embodied josh
Please link a vid, I wish to see.

>>7708750

https://youtu.be/IpxiicC2AVE?si=J6PSXolUQRpIHD0o

>>7708757
>https://youtu.be/IpxiicC2AVE?si=J6PSXolUQRpIHD0o

Thank you kindly, sir. I wouldn't have started with this one though, it makes him seem very sympathetic. That skyfire vid on the other hand- it blows my mind that people can't wrap their head around drawing heads as a whole. I know I have better analytical skills than some but a drawing that simple you ought to be able to measure out the more important parts.
>when he sees that the mouth and nose is too far apart the solution he comes up with is to move the entire face down instead of just move the mouth up

classic. maybe he's just awful at decision making.

>>7708802
true, skyfire is his comeback, the 4chan vid is a sum up, if you want to go really classic, go to his head drawing tutorials

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qgctNW4AtE&t=1s

why do people start with full on anatomy, heads, faces, full body sketches, clothes, perspective, hands and go on to complain about how they can't draw them when they haven't even started their fundies? what level of retard is this?

>>7708813
What the fuck are fucking fundies then? Just not fucking drawing? Or being a cube drone drawing lines, ellipsis and boxes over and over like a retarded DABzealot who cant draw anything that isnt a fucking box.
PYW and PYF (Post your fundies) or shut the fuck up with your retarded crabbing drivel.
All you fundie schizo niggers keep yapping about muh cubes and muh lines only to end up being outdone by literal children on tiktok who dont know what the fuck a box is.

>>7708757
i don't understand the pseudo motivational yapping him and other artubers do
he looks like he's about to fucking cry the whole time but he never actually addresses the specific reasons his art is bad

>>7708826
Saying this in an arbiter wolf thread doesnt help anon... :\

>>7708830
its pure cope and mental gymnastics, the brain will do anything to avoid hardship and pain, coping and yapping is easier than drawing

https://youtu.be/NjX-qwBp4jI?si=Mgrm7P6jT_R7QdZN&t=68

>>7708819
>>7708805
>>7708802
>Skyfire
QRD? I dont want to watch hours of this just to get up to date in gossip.
>when he sees that the mouth and nose is too far apart the solution he comes up with is to move the entire face down instead of just move the mouth up
Is this really bad as long as he fixes up the rest of the skull?

I struggle a lot with faces and havent been able to draw them at all so seeing him follow the tutorials and Loomis being shared around but anons calling it worthless and fake makes me feel very lost.
What is the best way to deal with it then?
>>7708830
It is what happens when you dont have talent and you cant make progress for shit.
I feel the same way when anons keep surpassing me while spending fractions of the time and being lectured on how talent doesnt exist but people surpassing me in weeks while I have spent years being bad is just natural.
I want it to be easy for me too.

I also want to be one of the good artists but God made me talentless and I am getting very depressed seeing all the young talent popping up drawing better than I ever could while being half my age and they dont follow courses or grind loomis heads or anything. They just say they draw with their fingers on their phones.

>>7708837
>zero drawing in this art video
yeah i hate this dude already lmao

>>7708848
All of them are like that. Except for you Marc Brunet, my beloved retard

>>7708842
>skyfire
I'm talking about this vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYzcpixoT-g

You can skip around to see what he's doing if you don't want to watch his stuff. He's the type to ramble and put a bunch of images on screen to be funny.

>Is this really bad as long as he fixes up the rest of the skull?
I'm not saying you can't do that, but instead of doing the simple solution he did something that requires more work and made her look like she has the downs. Honestly he's not as bad as OP's at least he's looking at the reference and measuring the problem really is that he isn't measuring the space between feature on the face... also I think he watches too many tutorials where the instructor is trying to show a concept instead of being accurate so he draws pretty sloppy (I call it the Krenz effect, he had to make a whole seperate course on accuracy because his students were drawing as sloppy as he was when describing concepts)

what 7 years of loomis does to an mfer

so... how would you fix this anki nigga and that wolf fag?

>>7707818 (OP)
>draw tranime
>don't improve
many such cases

>>7708113
lol no thanks, I don't want to be recognized on 4chan

Should I join begtube?

>>7709315
I would but my dream is to draw anime girls farting on each other so I don't want that tied to my face/voice

>>7707818 (OP)
No talent

>talent isn't rea-
apologize

>>7708690
>last upload 2 years ago
He made the right call. With him becoming a father he probably got a reality check and saw that this art carrier thing just wasn't going to work out. In the end you gotta pick responsibility before dreams. That or, AI coming out buck broke him. In any case, I hope he's doing alright.

>>7707818 (OP)
Let him do is science experiment just don’t watch it

>>7708884
You have to go back.

>>7710536
you aren't the only one who recognises patterns tranny

>>7710536
>t.butthurt tranime drawer

>>7709608
What a wonderful dream <3

>>7710600
>>7710743
what do trans people have to do with drawing, pyw or gtfo

>>7707818 (OP)
Going from completely flat cutouts to 3/4 views with basic volume is normal progress for the first few years for someone not in an art school curriculum

>>7710890
no it's not you can do that in a month

>>7710899
Who do you know that made that progress in a month? Or are you just making shit up?

>>7710901
if you look up "3/4 view head" and draw it accurately then you can draw a 3/4 head
it takes time to become accurate, it takes time to be able to recall what you drew accurately, but it doesn't take more than a month. and this is assuming you're a beginner that also wants to draw other head angles. if you wanted you could learn to draw a 3/4 view of a head in your first few days

>>7710901
also this guy could do it in less than 30 days if you need an example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFIBmeETfOA

>>7710922
Another proof that talent is real.

>>7710922
his day one mogs a good chunk of this board

>>7710922
it's joever for me

>>7710922
bruh. I should just rope.

>>7710991
lmao in what world is that a day 1

>>7711037
Easy for people with talent. Plenty of them show up in /ic/

>>7710991
he definitely faked this and his response of folding and stopping drawing proves it

>>7710922
there's 0 value to this as a case study. he doesn't show how good he was before so all the progress could be just shaking off rust. they are also all studies and he doesn't say how long it took to draw each. day 1 and 30 could be same day but just more time given to the study. if ur a beg that can't do this, use a hard pencil for the under sketch, spend enough time to dial it in from ref and then go on top with a softer pencil. tada you can do a copy now

>>7710991
>day 1
Lol. Fake as fuck.

Is there hope for him?

>>7710991
him quitting fills me with so much sadistic glee

>>7710991
>>7710922
Bros. I am getting depressed from this.

>>7711037
>>7711040
they're just copies
>>7711050
the time count is under the day # for most of the pages

>>7710922
Any time something seems miraculous and unusual, it's most definitely complete bullshit. Either he'd be the best art teacher of all time, he's a true one in a million case study, or you're having the wool pulled over your eyes by someone who stands to gain by pretending they have all the answers to boost their reputation and insure you come back to their channel for more. Even then, if you aren't a one in million, astronomical case yourself, you're going to have to sit back, study, and work like literally every other artist who ever lived which makes all of it completely meaningless.

>>7708813
>why do people start with full on anatomy, heads, faces, full body sketches, clothes, perspective, hands and go on to complain about how they can't draw them when they haven't even started their fundies?
tbf when you're starting out it's pretty common to get told to draw eyes/the face then progress to heads, anatomy, clothing, objects, etc. when little kids start to draw eyes are one of the first things they do and it's encouraged by adults so there's a natural progression to drawing the rest of the face, then the body and dressing it, etc.

Another casualty of the construction meme.

>>7711070
he is obviously fucking lying even if these are traced lmao

>last video 2 weeks ago
it's over...

>tfw I finally understand how to learn but I'm too old to make use of it
>can only draw an hour a day (if that) and need 6 hours of doom scrolling before and after

I've thought about joining /beg/tube but I probably won't improve enough either

>>7707818 (OP)
What do I do to avoid becoming/stop being this guy?

>>7712298
by actively drawing, and not just one houraday

>>7712298
know how to follow directions and don't cage your goals around bullshit like 100 anime heads

>>7712227
>need 6 hours
I think this is low quality bait, but everyone knows how to learn, there are tons of videos on it, the problem is that we do not do it and if we do we "grind" it out like OP's example not further examining why things work the way they do. Instead we give in to our social media addictions because it grants us more immediate reward.
>>7712298
Learn to critique and fix your own drawings actually be curious and figure out why people do what they do. For example that dude just did the circle cross not knowing what kind of tools that they represent

>>7707818 (OP)
Love ArbiterWolf. Just a beautiful brainlet doing his own thing, but I feel a kinship because I know if I filmed a vlog about my weekly practice I'd sound like a stumbling jackass who reveals how little he knows and tries to justifybhis habits, so it's all good.

Dude does seem to go out of his way to angle the eyes the opposite way they should ben when drawing from reference

>>7712453
>I feel a kinship because I know if I filmed a vlog about my weekly practice I'd sound like a stumbling jackass who reveals how little he knows and tries to justifybhis habits

I would do the same exact thing on the opening of this video saying I'm gonna quit watching youtube and absolutely fail. Realistically I was this dude before thinking I was actually studying while I was really just mindlessly copying, throwing lines all over the place and not analyzing what I was drawing or having a direction or something that I'm working towards.

It's brave of him to step into the arena with that kind of art though.

Fuck it, if AW can do it, so I can I. Now how tf do I record top-down videos (I draw on paper).

>>7712486
if you do it but actually improve you might get some decent views
the problem with these vlog type art progress channels is literally all of the ones i've seen start out shit and continue to be shit

>>7712511
Thats sad

>>7712471
>I would do the same exact thing on the opening of this video saying I'm gonna quit watching youtube and absolutely fail. Realistically I was this dude before thinking I was actually studying while I was really just mindlessly copying, throwing lines all over the place and not analyzing what I was drawing or having a direction or something that I'm working towards.
>It's brave of him to step into the arena with that kind of art though.
How much time did you waste and how did you change course? Got any progress pics?
>anon in same boat but too retarded to make it out myself.

"progress"

>>7714347
Is there a reason why you switched back to trad or do you just enjoy both mediums?
I like your Char.

>>7714347
>/beg/ falls for prokofundies instead of accuracy + master copies
>gets worse
every damn time

>>7714351
I was told by /beg/ that I should stop using aseprite for drawing, so I did

>>7708878
it kind of depends on what they wanted to do with art, and how much spare time they have. I didn't watch anki enough to discern how much time he has but arbiter wolf works 63 hours a week according to his most recent video I saw, and makes things difficult. At that point I would suggest cultivating a habit that focus on having fun and learning new things on the side.

>>7708878
Ankifag should use his long-service leave to study at FZD/Mages for a year instead of uselessly changing what is he studying every hour. His Scott Robertson studies look good, his linework his decent, his painting skills are just dog shit.

AW is a tough one, he might legitimately have issues with spatial awareness, I dont know how he can make it. I would also say he should just go to some accelerated art course for a year but no fucking way he will get accepted in this condition.

>>7714352
like one of the first things in proko's beginner course is about accuracy and observation wdym

>>7714352
anon above me is correct sadly

>>7707864
sooo... bad genes?

>>7714274
>How much time did you waste
Well, I wasted a lot of time with bullshit. I saw dave rapoza use the Chrome brush and I wanted to learn how it works- but he has a cintiq and I'm using an intuous and it's really hard to find the center on that brush without physically seeing it. Also as fun as it is drawing with it, I didn't want to render like that in the first place, I wanted to use it on one piece then I found out he didn't even make the thing I was referencing the same way.

I also have this tendency to want to draw women a lot but it's not what I really want to do as a whole so I get hours into drawing some ref for fun and then think "This isn't what I want to do with my art" then abandoning it. The bottom left and right is me not copying from refs so much and creating something more original. I'm getting into drawing more men, and making the characters I want now. I'm still not out of it though I have to fight not to fall into patterns trying to get myself to draw.

I'm too lazy to open every document and compile a progress pic so I just thrown this together. These should be all from this year.

>>7714495
People will often come onto this website and post inaccurate and purposefully inflammatory comments and in internet lingo this is known as 'trolling', but you could considering yankin ya chain, or pulling your leg.

>>7715113
it's worth taking the bait on this board where people are earnestly taking advice

>>7707818 (OP)
did he quit?

>digitallets
lmao

>>7708109
I feel this

>>7715113
>>7715199
>>7714495
>>7714825
Let me put it this way: any art course that doesn't tell you to start by spending 1000 hours copying better artists is scamming you

>>7715531
Someone mentioned that they observed that people who started drawing by copying theit favorite artists or artists they like tends to fare better in the long run. Something about because they start off with copying things that they find attractive/appeal, they kinda taught themselves on what is attractive versus being taught on how to draw things correctly whether it's something they want to draw or not. Fundies should be "things I should learn about and see how I can use it to draw what I want" in

>>7715531
i agree that that is way better than courses but a lot of people are retarded and need specific instruction or are normies with no taste, or both

>>7715572
I like to know names of those courses

>>7715531
What course is that says spend 1000 hours on copying better artists? After 1000 hours its done? Its over?

>>7715586
1000 is just a symbolic figure.
It just means that master studies is the best, fastest, and most essential way of improving. But if you tell people to just go copy art they like/the masters, then you don't get to charge $400+tip for your useless 50 video course on loomstruction and other faff.

Essentially, most courses are useless grifts that start you on the wrong foot, because the best advice doesn't make money, while worthless filler does.

>>7715610
What are good courses that teach good skills?

>>7715610
>It just means that master studies is the best, fastest, and most essential way of improving
While I do agree fundamentally, I also think they only really become worth it if you're at least far enough to actually understand what you're copying. If you know nothing about drawing, you can probably still spend 10-20 hours and painstakingly recreate an image line by line, but that won't really teach you anything besides maybe accuracy. But if you understand form, lighting and other stuff at least to the degree where you can understand why it was drawn the way it was, you can actually learn so much more from it.
Not that you need any paid courses for that, such fundamental infos can be found anywhere for free at this point.

>>7715617
No course, learn to copy accurately, consume a lot of art (both art that you like, and art that's objectively good, meaning famous painters).
Then you can choose ONE source to get some basics on figure drawing/anatomy, such as Hampton's book, or Will Weston's course. Draw a lot, do gestures, polish said gestures into figures, and do a lot of master studies. When consuming art, try to think what makes the art appealing, what techniques did the artist use, contrast, saturation, hues, composition, pay attention to how they drew or simplified different elements, or how certain materials were rendered. Take mental notes of these things, or do copies so they stick more in your mind.
Mix this up with some creations of your own. Draw from imagination but always using reference, then reflect on your drawing and what was the shittiest part of it, then focus your next few studies/copies on that weakness. Repeat for 6-12 months and you'll see giga gains.
That's all the "course" you need. Optionally find a friend to do this with, or failing that some art discord so you don't go insane.

>>7715624
You are right, but I think having some guidance mostly helps hasten process. To me what helped the most was actually looking at art I liked (or by my favorite painters), and actually analyzing it. Why did they make this part the brightest/most saturated? Why do I like it? Why are my eyes drawn to this character's face and not the other's? How did they simplify the nose into just a couple strokes? Why did they use a green-ish hue for this white cloth?
You can extract your own knowledge and lessons this way as good as any course/book, but obviously having someone outright tell you these things helps go faster.
Something that I think also helps me a lot is watching process videos (real time, not timelapses), especially if commentated, so I can get a feel for the process and what the creator is actually thinking at each step, or how they prioritize some things over others.

>want to learn to draw
>gets recommended Loomis books
>copy every shit in the book line by line
>learn nothing
>gets recommended drawabox
>do the 250 box challenge
>burnout
>comeback after 6 months
>watching 10 more videos on how to draw
>joining art discord servers, hoping to learn something
>realizing those servers are filled with kids
>making a Deviantart account
>posts, no one reacts
>gets sad, quit drawing

>>7712249
that's the point
you cannot join /beg/tube if you improve

>>7715641
Agreed, that's kinda why I said worth it, instead of useful. It's possible to learn everything just through observation, but I just don't think it's the best idea for fresh beginners.
Though I will say, it also depends on what you want to learn. For things like colors, light and composition it is the best ressource far earlier, while for things like stylized anatomy and gesture, it only became more helpful the more I knew about anatomy from dedicated study.
I also fully agree on the commentated process videos. They kinda combine the best of both worlds, having it explained, but also seeing the process so you can form your own conclusions.
It's why I think mentors are probably the best way to learn, though I've never had, so I couldn't say.

>>7715656
>It's why I think mentors are probably the best way to learn, though I've never had, so I couldn't say.
I've had one since April, and I've improved more in 4 months than the past 4 years. It's insane how much it helps to have someone who can see where you are at, and exactly pinpoint what you need, or give you the right piece of knowledge for whatever you are stuck with.

>it's been over two weeks since Arbi has drawn
All of his incredible gains are evaporating...

>>7711391
It'll never not be funny to watch prebegs use construction for anime heads. It's always a complete trainwreck.

>>7708413
You shouldn’t draw want you want until you’ve mastered fundies retard otherwise you’re just wasting time

>>7715755
what the fuck does this even mean

>>7715783
you need to draw at least 1 million boxes before you can even think about moving on to studying bridgman x10000
and then, MAYBE you can make a 5 year old tier crayon drawing

>>7715799
don't even think about attempting to portray the human form until you've spent twenty thousand hours drawing boxes, and even then you must draw only naked elderly men and abstract anatomy for another 20 thousand hours, then maybe, just maybe, only after you've memorized the medical names of every muscle and bone in the human body and can draw each of them to a perfectly to a realistic standard, are you allowed to draw an anime girl

BUY 50 SKETCHBOOKS
5 PAGES OF DRAWING WITH REFERENCE
2 WITHOUT
FINISHED THEM?
BUY MORE

WOW, such a demotivating comment

>>7715617
Will Weston's course for figure drawing
Med's Map for digital painting

>>7714949
How much time did you spend fucking around before realizing you needed to change?
What made you change?
Did you go back to the very very basics?

Sorry for the many questions but I am very lost myself.
Your drawings are looking very solid. Like someone who already knows how to get going but still needs more mileage.


>>7715652
>realizing those servers are filled with kids
I had to learn the hard way when I joined a real deal art discord and saw that nsfw art and nsfw refs and shit were ban-worthy.
The kids showing their perfect pastel drawings and plaster copies with charcoal were 14-19 brats who bitched about school and their parents inbetween posting some really talented stuff.

>>7707818 (OP)

I want to ask the general thread how to start over.
I fucked up bad and didnt learn shit for a few years and want to learn "properly".
I have started Bargue and copying FWAP taking as many attempts as I need to copy every single fucking blob picture perfect and needing 6-7 attempts makes me realize that my spatial awareness is garbage and I need to be really mindful of measurements to somewhat approximate the blob head.

Am I doing it right or am I lost?

>>7715853
what is your goal exactly

>>7715839
thanks

>>7708109
MY SIDES

How can art be so good and bad at the same time?

>>7715531
from a young age people are drilled not to copy anything when learning and it's a hard habit to unlearn

>>7715957
when I was 12, about 20 years ago, my girl friend made fun of me for copying a picture of a dog because it was not an original drawing

>>7715957
Tracing is unironically the best way to learn how to draw.

Trace an image, copy it the next day, then the next day try to draw it from memory.

>>7715699
unreal how what we see in the vids is literally all of his drawing time since the last vid

>>7715632
>>7715839
Which Will Weston course do you recommend on Figure Drawing, I think I saw two, maybe three?

>>7715965
that was fair

>day 44
>already mogging on arbiter wolf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF574B3dy-g

>>7716779
it's private link the channel

>>7716779
Arbiter Wolf Japanese version

>>7716779
he drew more today than arbiter wolf in his life btw

reference he picked is cute but I found her hard to draw

>>7716784
wdym?

>>7716895
nvm i see it now

>>7716822
cute

The key to becoming a great artist is learning to draw. Thank you for attending my talk.

>>7715652
>he quits in 6 months
It's good to quit early when you realize it's not your cup of tea

>>7707818 (OP)

join discord.gg/R3NtN4Sbch

>>7717272
idk

>>7716012
This anon gets it. Every kid who turns into an artist started by tracing and copying

>>7716779
Begtube is fucking hilarious. We need a tier list of these people

>>7715557
it's a combo of getting results through accuracy (you can compare your current skill to what you aspire to) and drawing what appeals to you (you enjoy it so you're more likely to do it). grinding boxes can be beneficial in the long run but it sucks the fun out of the whole process and you need to be mid int or up to understand and apply these benefits.

>>7717961
EmbodiedJosh is at the top every time
The dude bought a 2500 dollar tablet and joined 5 CGMA courses (699$ each)
several months of mentorship (thousand-dollar worth) for his photobash concept art phrase for 3 years without improvement
He also bought and followed Coloso's course in his anime phase, and this is what we got after 6-7 years of art
Another favorite part about him is looking into his past, he has a video series called Road or Riot, and you know how its ends

>>7718095
he basically abandoned his discord, i managed to join before he closed the doors. He runs the official roblox learning youtube channel and twitter account now, he does like facerig podcasts or something, idk, im sure hes a hero in his eyes

https://x.com/ducksryellow
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqJYvfIJL-MHQxIJKUV-tvw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgPU84AqpkY&t=286s

>>7718106
yeah I sorta know this. At least it plays into his strength (writing/video-editing online content).He seems to like those more than actual drawing

>>7718120
its just so therapeutic to see him crash and fail over and over, idk, just a lulcow run dry i guess, need a new one

>>7716822
you draw it from the vid or do you have the picture

>>7717961
this is a brilliant IDEA!
yuu huu

>>7718125
>Art Lulcows
As someone who's been using kino casino as fuel to numb the pain of drudging through my horrible life for the last 2 months, I need this.

>>7718174
>>7718136
innerman arts
(more like niggerman arts)

>>7718197
https://youtu.be/ZOT9JQiYDok?si=BTxGt2ImRH-AjycK&t=73

>one of my best works

Dude belongs in a /beg/ thread and he's out here giving advice? I didn't click on it yet but
>STOP STUDYING ART SO MUCH

Kinda want to join BegTube for shits and giggles. What beg-appropriate book (preferably) or course would people want to see me stumble through.

>>7707963
it never even started

>>7718221
Depending how beg you are, if upper-beg go through a dynamic sketching course like Peter Han's.

>>7718460
What are these prebeg lowerbeg upperbeg lowint ranks mean?

>>7718595
made up arbitrary classifications that shift around depending on how bitter a crab is. I think of it like this:

>prebeg
Does not attempt fundamentals. New to drawing, or unwilling to properly learn. Doesn't practice frequently.
>beg
Has some understanding of fundamentals but has not mastered them. Might practice irregularly, or might get led astray by grinding fundies too hard too soon.
>int
Solid on the fundamentals. Still improving on rendering, character design, challenging poses and perspectives. Practices regularly.
>adv
Really good artist. Great anatomy. Great design skills too. Could easily go pro of they wanted, but they'd rather keep it a hobby than a hustle, or they were pro and hated it.
>pro
Professional artist, probably underpaid and overworked.

>>7718622
>fundamentals
meaningless buzzword.

>>7718633
what would you use to express
>anatomy
>construction
>perspective
>observation
etc?

though I have noticed that a lot of people use "fundies" to refer eclusively to
>draw a billion boxes

>>7718637
>Great anatomy.
>Great construction.
>Great perspective.
what does this actually mean in a specific drawing? what makes the anatomy, i.e. the body actually drawn in a drawing great? that itself would be the fundamental thing.
anatomy as in knowledge of body structure is pre-art, not a drawing fundamental per se as it's used on this board.

>>7718645
The body is shaped like it should, bends the right ways in the right places. Even stylized, it's easy to tell if the shoulders are doing something strange or the arms are the wrong length. I choose to believe that a perfect understanding of the human body isn't necessary, and there were a lot of great artists in the age before such medical information was so easily accessible, but nevertheless a lot of very very good artists swear by it and I will never in my life be good enough to say they are wrong.

>>7718658
>is shaped like it should
>right ways in right places
>wrong length
>something strange
the sooner the west realizes that what determines right vs wrong in drawing is precisely a well developed ___art-style___, the sooner it can climb out of its infantile state and reach back to the masters of old in Italy, and reach forward to the masters of new in Japan.

what you described is not art-specific, a photo of a human has all of those propreties. it's pre art, it's medical knowledge. so what is the more fundamental thing/set of relations that makes a body look good in a given ___drawing___?

>>7718645
you're/beg/, right?

>>7718762
Isn't it obvious? Look how he's talking out of his ass in all of his posts. He may be even pre/beg/ he clearly likes to sound smart instead of actually draw. That or he's trolling.

>>7718766
>>7718762
>no counterarguments
>ad hominem attacks
refuted and debunked with facts and logic kek

>>7718780
There's nothing to refute. Artists have come to a consensus that anatomy is very important for doing realistic art. Just look at what thread you're in, OP's vid shows what you get when you don't understand anatomy (how the skull works at least).

I am one of those anons, I can't understand the anatomy of the elbow in turns and from different angles, I'm tired of drawing, it doesn't give anything and it's hard

>>7714347
FFXIV shit is way to hard for a brainlet /beg/ to draw.

>>7718930
>I can't understand the anatomy of the elbow in turns and from different angles

What does that mean? What are you not getting? Post a study.

>>7718781
>appeal to consensus fallacy
you can’t make this up. facts and logic are on my side.

actually that is the approach I’m decrying, he’s doing extraneous stuff like drawing random boxes or floating heads with a made up on the spot nonsense artstyle. instead he could be acquiring fundamental drawing knowledge and the non-art prerequisites (easier stuff like anatomy knowledge).

>>7718951
ok so fundamentals are a buzzword yet you want him to study fundamentals

>>7718969
/ic/ fundamentals are a buzzword because they are not actually fundamental drawing skills.
they’re a beg trap designed to make people feel better about themselves for just doing menial labor.

>>7718971
oh so now it's "/ic/ fundamentals", what do you think are actual fundamentals then?
these were the "/ic/" ones anon gave previously
>anatomy
>construction
>perspective
>observation
i'd agree to take anatomy out since it's really just a part of your more general visual library

>what makes the anatomy, i.e. the body actually drawn in a drawing great? that itself would be the fundamental thing.
here you are just lumping things together, saying that applying good fundamentals makes a drawing great and that is thus fundamentals, lol...

>>7718951
>you can’t make this up. facts and logic are on my side.

I know this is shitty bait,but I'm currently procrastinating so I have time to play along.

If you 'factually' look at an artist that's trying to portray any form of realism (even anime) they usually will post their anatomy studies on their twitter or what not to feed the algorithm. 'Logically' if you have the same input you would expect similar output right?
The problem is usually that begs who jump straight into anatomy skipped practicing shapes and form, also they haven't trained their eyes to look for certain landmarks to replicate the shapes in anatomy so theirs are super wonky. They study things in isolation and do not care about how the muscles squash and stretch in different poses (for ex. arms up vs at the side )or the relationship of the agonist vs the antagonist nor do they understand how to rotate the shape correctly. That's why anatomy comes after constructing shape and form.

>>7718983
This just refreshed after my post and
>I'd agree to take anatomy out since it's really just a part of your more general visual library

If that's the argument then yeah. Anatomy isn't only for human muscles, but the makings of a thing which is what we usually study in our visual library.

>>7718129
here

>>7718983
>word concept fallacy

true fundamentals, which are not considered too much on /ic/ are good because they are actually fundamental to drawing. X being built on Y makes X non fundamental. read my socratic style critique and questioning of the concepts of fundamentals that points to a greater truth. >>7718664 answer the questions for yourself, ponder them instead of trying to play gotcha's and you might learn something.

cheap tricks are not gonna work on me lol. i'm skilled in internet debates.

>>7718993
yeah shapes are more fundamental. someone on /ic/ that's not brainwashed by muh fundies? a rare sight indeed, a man of culture.

>forms
sadly this is also a buzzword designed to make 2d design and fundamentals seem inferior/subordinate to 3d logic.

>If you 'factually' look at an artist that's trying to portray any form of realism (even anime) they usually will post their anatomy studies on their twitter or what not to feed the algorithm.
that's factually accurate, but an unbiased peer review would show they are trying to make good drawings before they are trying to draw "anatomy". you could do a "study" but it's never gonna be detached from a specific ___way___ of drawing something, shall I name explicitly what that's equivalent to? I trust after my previous posts the conclusion should be easy to follow.
it's why you see Japanese people say Xの描き方 (way of drawing X) instead of muh prescriptive fundies proko slop anatomy even when talking about realism anime styles, because the way you would draw something to make it look good directly involves drawing fundamentals. just saying "it has great anatomy" is devoid of actual drawing content thus logically and factually making it a buzzword.

>>7719034
>fallacy fallacy
:D

>>7719106
now you have surrendered logical argumentation and admit you're operating on fallacies? such an easy win huh.
in proper internet debate culture, the side that commits a fallacy forfeits the debate.

>>7719042
but they do practice form and perspective

>>7719110
it's useless to argue with someone that does nothing but nit pick about "fallacies" and just writes useless drivel as distraction. see how you have done nothing but try to unilaterally redefine words

here's some more fallacies applying to your previous posts:
>equivocation fallacy
>strawman
>circular reasoning

two can play this game. you are decent at trolling albeit. keep up the good work, you had me engaged

>>7719122
>decent at trolling albeit

Dude was literally writing "Facts and Logic" Did you think he was serious? It's a dance, boys. We're all either taking a break from doing art and have no one to speak to so we write on this shite board. It's sad this is the fastest moving art platform that isn't bombarded by disgusting furries and tumblr artists.

>>7719115
>>7719113
they're learning composition and gesture.

>>7719122
>woahhh you said fundamentals are good after saying it's bad in another context?!
using fallacies means you aren't arguing in good faith or are incapable of logical argumentation. so far no argument was made nor was anything substantial addressed in my critique of the /ic/ worldview.

>but what about this thing there that uses the same word! it must mean the same thing!
or
>they appear to do X thing so it must mean they have same views on X thing as me!
are childish fantasies you use to cope with your unscientific view of drawing.

with my blade of logic I shall cut down your nonsense one by one until nothing is left.

>>7719140
it's exercises from a video about learning 3d form from a professional animator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HejQurrMDUY

>>7719143
Ohhh, that's why he's so beg. He fell for a westoid meme.

>>7719143
nothing to do with muh forms or muh perspective presented as "fundies".

he's teaching how to draw objects in different angles to create a sense of solidity/space and internalize that skill by feeling.

>>7719149
thats what form means

>>7719150
form in fundie context means 3d over 2d design/composition/artstyle. it has cultural baggage, you cannot appropriate Japanese terms which lack the baggage to mean the same thing.

it's something you mindlessly grind like in drawabox. it's not a neutral sensation you can learn to create and use as a tool. it's something you use to judge a drawing and attack 2d art like anime when it's perceived to lack this "fundie".

>>7719161
>it has cultural baggage, you cannot appropriate Japanese terms which lack the baggage to mean the same thing.
sure whatever. what singular word would you use to call it?

>it's something you use to judge a drawing and attack 2d art like anime
pretty much all anime- as in actual animation- has form though. it's also usually excellent. there's a lot of japanese beg art that lacks it though. but they are not the ones working as professionals

>grind
yes
>mindlessly
no
>you can't learn it
no, that's why he tells his students to grind it. they talk about learning the feeling

>>7719161
You will never be japanese

>>7719166
form is fine when you use it in a non fundie context. sense of space or depth is what i would personally use to be extra careful because different styles will have their own ways of portraying depth.

yeah animators in particular have a great sense of creating depth. still doesn't stop the /ic/ fundie NPCs from attacking them based on their own dogmas of what "fundies" are and how anime doesn't follow them so it's bad.

>no
drawabox isn't teaching you something deeper about 2d art, it's just low tier math busywork disguised as drawing that's a placebo to make you feel progress without actually creating good looking art. anime is teaching you to create space but it's fundamentally subordinate to what looks good, not to an abstract idea of "correct fundies".

>>7719171
>doesn't accept foreigners
based Japan.

>>7707818 (OP)
>>7719088
>chatgpt says Arbiter Wolf has been drawing for about 250 hrs
Well /ic/, what does your art look like for that amount of hours? Is it fair to be so hard on Arbie?

>>7707818 (OP)
The practice of lines and boxes is important

>>7719180
What do you think /ic/ means by form and how does it differ from 立体的? I'm serious.

>>7719232
How did you learn the anatomy?

>>7719250
Watched the Hamptons, looked at photos and materials on Pinterest

>>7719180
Anime doesn't teach anything, what specific fundamentals are you talking about, spitting on anatomy and perspective? What do you mean by fundamentals specifically? In drawbox you end up drawing a character and a thing in a cube, and then the need for the cube itself disappears, you don't teach how to draw cubes, you teach the logic of perspective

>>7719222
/ic/ fundie lingo is basically taking a word that has a sensible dictionary meaning in Japanese and applying the following context to it like an NPC LLM
> "prescriptive but still vague set of abstract rules you need to follow or give credence to in your drawings to make it good art, what looks good is secondary and even redefined to be what follows muh fundies, no deep consideration is given for why something looks good in the sense of 2d design, fundies just are better because that's the socially safe thing to consider good art"

if a Japanese term has an analog in western academicism just apply the context above and you get the /ic/ version of a term. the same works for literature and music too by the way just replace /ic/ with the corresponding board.

立体感 is just the dictionary definition of sense of space or depth but the context is what's proper for that art itself, i.e. it's informed by the artstyle, type of work, the mood of the scene, etc. it conveys reality in its own way without being judged by any simplistic "fundies" above it.

>>7719279
This is called stylization, 2D stylization, you're retarded.

>>7719218
>>I'm sorry friend but it doesn't seem like you've improved very much at all since you started. Thats kinda insane considering how long you've been going.

>>7719299
Hey fuck that guy who made that comment, we could've had a good thing going, feeding this guy delusion and milking the lulz out of him, but this faggot wants to chop him down before he gets to embodied josh levels.

>>7719290
yeah, stylization is also a weaponized 1984 term designed to attack the importance of a well developed 2D artstyle. it misses the fact that everything 2D beyond photocopying is necessarily already in some "stylization".

it treats "style" like an operation you can apply to a 3d/fundies prima materia to make it more "stylized" as you need instead of the styles being their own things designed from reality to convey some aesthetic.
the key is that muh fundies are still the superior thing dictating what is good instead of the style on its own. they confuse 2D being derived from reality with it needing to follow some abstract rules about muh 3d fundies that capture artistic reality on a very basic/simplified level.

>>7719299
>dude you learn nothing.
Fuck this guy too

>>7719314
It's kinda scary to imagine people egging him on, telling him he's actually doing well only for him to not improve in years and not even notice it.

>>7719319
And how beg learn to draw? What will he get by following your basics without understanding perspective and the basics of space?

>>7719329
by doing 100 detailed stylized heads and 500 boxes kek. just kidding, by actually learning from the masters to make real art in the style you want to.

>without understanding perspective and the basics of space
how does anything I say necessitate not understanding perspective or space? any developed 2D art already has a very deep treatment of perspective and space baked into it.

>>7719340
Kek, that's why I indicated stylization as a secondary point, you need to first study the basics and perspective, and then take into account stylization for comics, manga, etc.

>>7719326
> and not even notice it.

You'd have to be a litteral schizo or CWC levels of retarded to not notice you aren't improving. Even that schizo with the 10 years of "Just draw" ing had some form of improvement (hopefully he noticed it wasn't much)

>>7719340
>any developed 2D art already has a very deep treatment of perspective and space baked into it
am the anon from earlier, i'm pretty sure this is what people are saying? or at least anyone who recognizes that almost all anime (animation) is a great example of mastery in fundamentals and stylization. like they're incredibly good. you're getting too caught up in semantics with terminology and i don't understand why, you're saying the same thing as others. or at least this is what i was trying to say. using words like fundies, stylization, isn't wrong. especially because we are speaking in english, if you want to use japanese words only you could speak with japanese people

>>7719347
>basics and perspective
a developed style already has that in it, both in easier and harder to understand ways.
a style is not some afterthought you apply to a drawing post facto. drawing 500 boxes and "stylizing" 100 heads with big eyes in a random fashion isn't actually developing anything substantial. if he did even a couple of legit copies of real anime and tried to output in that style he would be much better off.

>>7719358
>or at least this is what i was trying to say
you're obviously in a different camp because you respect the art and the culture. there are a lot of people who don't hold the same values and display aggression at the idea that anime is a "legitimate" form of art with a lot of things to teach western artists.

nothing wrong with the words themselves, but they are often weaponized and prevent people from understanding anime on its own grounds because of the false priorities they promote. just look up stylization in the archive and see how much of a buzzword it is.

>>7719377
>if he did even a couple of legit copies of real anime and tried to output in that style he would be much better off
And how do you do this? Just copy it by eye without the balls? To make it even more crooked?

>>7707818 (OP)
Bro did exactly what this dude is describing:

https://youtu.be/DwC-4TEde_4?si=eNG4c-4S6BgUJ1tD&t=404

>>7719387
doesn't really matter as long as you can do it, there is no one correct way of even drawing the meme balls.

you could copy line by line with no sketch too or just draw a hide channel croquis style figure and draw a crosshair onto the head.

>even more crooked
muscle memory/comfort and observation is what makes it less crooked.

>>7707818 (OP)
Lack of interest in the subject matter. He's bored which means he won't bother chasing fundamentals or anything of that sort. Boredom kills art.

>>7719399
lol

>>7707818 (OP)
Too many people in the world view thinking as something that happens to them rather than something to be actively done.
If you haven’t improved at drawing despite grinding out hours worth of drawings you probably need to shut everything off and spend time before you put your pencil to the paper to actually think about what you’re going to do.

i'm going to get a mic and join begtube, even if i never improve, at the very least i'll provide years of entertainment to /ic/

>>7720586
thank you for your service

how do I not be like this guy?

>>7720610
As an anon said in a previous arbiter wolf thread about this pic. >>7719207
>Soul, unironically. You can see a clear, unashamed love of anime here. And now it's been beaten out of him. Sad.

>>7720610
draw from reference accurately

>>7720610
draw

>>7715867
I want to be able to draw pretty anime bitches from imagination whenever and wherever I want.

>>7721211
>uses cringe instagram slang to describe anime
ngmi.

>>7721216
Sorry Officer Serious I didnt know that the fag police was patrolling around here.
I want to be able to draw for fun and make it look good.
I want to draw with good fundies whatever proportions in any angle with any perspective and make it look appealing.
I want to be like those kids who I see doodling away at their phones their roblox ocs and making amazing stuff.
I want to be good.

>>7720610
Draw what you want to in-between studies and exercises. Actually produce finished work. Don't worry about drawing for x number of days or for x hours , worry more about if you're actually learning what you're trying to, if you're actually applying it to your finished work, and most importantly if you're actually enjoying it. Focus on one thing at a time, one area that you're lacking, if you don't know what to work on pick it randomly, it doesn't matter. If you don't want to improve at that thing wonder why. Often it's because we're not good at it which is paradoxical. We avoid working on something we don't enjoy, and we don't enjoy working on it because we aren't good at it. Try to find the enjoyment in whatever it is, make it fun for yourself.

The grindcels never improve because, frankly they're stupid and misguided. They prioritize keeping up a streak or growing a youtube channel or "getting better", they waste their time churning out pages of exercises and warmups and never apply that "learning" to anything, they just pick out the next course or book or method, get their reps in and pat themselves on the back because they sloppily copied 100 anime heads or whatever new meme shit they heard about that week. They care more about the numbers than anything else and so they either never improve or burn out.

let's spam his comment section >:)

>>7721271
I want to learn how to draw hands, I constantly imagined and thought about muscles, about turns, but nothing comes out, and grinding is the only thing left, otherwise the drawings will have shitty hands

>>7721573
>The grindcels never improve because, frankly they're stupid and misguided.
He is right. Grinding without a goal is a lost cause.
If you want to grind something like hands, draw a bunch of them from memory.
Then get actual references of the same poses, and draw them from the references.
Now go back to drawing the same poses from memory.
Last but not least compare what you have improved upon, and if you notice areas where you could improve even more.
If you just grind without any positive input you might as well be an ai gorging on your own mistakes turning them into habbits.

>>7707970
WTF Why did no one tell me I was suppose to draw for more than an hour everyday?

I haven’t improved in six years should I KMS?

>>7707818 (OP)
>week 96
should've watched a hide channel video on how to make anime faces and be better at week 2 (I'm assuming he wants to draw anime by the OP post, not watching his videos)

>>7708109
Is she doing the Kaneki pose in the last panel?

>>7723482
pyw

>>7721573
You grind a bit. Then you scrooooll around on xitter or something. Then you suddenly have an idea or inspiration of what to draw. Then you try drawing that, THEN you try to figure out 'how to draw' those hands. Then you refer back to your practices.

As you go on about drawing isn't so much as to draw shit as accurately as possible but how you much you can simplify those forms into ways you understand the most, but still produced accurate results

>>7716779
He does the exact same thing Arbiter Wolf does where he does multiple layers, doesn't use the layer below as a guide (tbf it's shit and useless as a guide anyway) and basically redraws the image again and again in a different but equally bad way on top of each other.

Maybe Arbiter Wolf's grandpa had an affair with a Japanese woman during WWII?

>>7718095
>Riot
I don't understand why every art education youtuber talks about Riot. Why is Riot the alleged Shangri-la for artists? Don't they just make League of Legends?

>>7723710
Blizzard's stocks are down

>>7723710
they want artists to draw anime/anime blend style and they pay really well.

>>7707818 (OP)
This is me. I am the permabeg. How can I escape low visual accuracy and not being able to perceive 3D? I am considering trying grid drawings...

>>7708109
KWAB

>>7707818 (OP)
this guys been doing this for 2 years wtf???

>>7723891
yea for 5 minutes a day

>>7723893
That's only 61 hours at best. Bro, I drew more than that amount in a month. How the fuck does he spend more time uploading a video than actually drawing?

>>7724387
I don't think he meant literally. This is what happens when you "Just Draw". You're not thinking about what you're doing or even changing it, you think it will magically all "Just click" While you haven't been accumulating the knowledge for it to click just mindlessly copying.

>>7707818 (OP)
can we have another Arbiter Wolf thread after this, bros? this was comfy

>>7724395
>You're not thinking about what you're doing or even changing it,

that's not the impression I got from watching their videos, in fact, I felt they are over thingking it at every turn.

>>7723643
No u

>>7724455
>Anon discovers talent.

>>7724455
Over thinking it would've taught him what the cross in the middle of the face was for, or allowed him to remember then head studies he did. This dude is rigidly doing the same thing over and over.

>>7724916
talent is a excuse for lazy people

>>7707818 (OP)

Guys we DID IT!
He quit.
it's over.

>>7724920
Lol.

the entire comment section shits on him now and yet nothing will change
the mind of a permabeg is a ceaseless enigma

>>7724920
>Yes, talent is a myth guy

>>7726132
whats wrong with her?

>>7726132
Her story is not too dissimilar to embodiedJosh
But unlike Josh, she has a job and 10-20 hours/week extra to study for her profession, so she is a hardworking lady at least.
Can draw decently (for a beg), but stuck in tutorial hell since she keeps buying courses/books/mentors instead of just grinding the knowledge.
Became delusional and tried to quit her well-paying job to study art full-time at a traditional studio. got burned out and quit everything and went back to her job.
top tier beg video, up there with Josh interm of art lolcow. Her outro is "remember talent is a myth".

>>7726152
I dont get it man. Wdym by grinding the knowledge?
How do someone even suppose to improve in art

hello /ic/ people
I am very new to this board =D
What are thing should I need to know about this board?

>>7726209
Fuck off

If I start grinding instead of procrastinating how can I know I wont just end up like one of these guys?

>>7726525
Depends what you grind and what you want to do I guess? I'll assume it's figure drawing with a focus on anime aesthetic so just start with gesture, build on that with some anatomy, draw from life for a while and continue to copy from your favorite anime until you've grown enough neurons to do it on your own. Oh and take time to practice portraits. Go from something like [anyone] for gesture (everyone does it differently, just learn to express an emotion while keeping proportion), Taco/Morpho for anatomy, [your favorite manga or anime] for style and enjoy.

>>7726209
lurk a long time and learn the in-jokes and memes and also keep drawing

>>7707841
fpbp
this is what happens when you have someone who is stuck in a directionless state of mind

I don't understand how people can go for so long with seemingly no improvement at all, i've started drawing for two weeks and i managed to draw this today, granted its still bad and i'm just copying, but still

are there examples of beg youtubers that actually made it or is this the ultimate beg trap?

>>7726688
PewDiePie

>>7726152
>>7726204
>grinding the knowledge

This is a beg who doesn't know what they're talking about, disregard their post.

>>7719256
I'm begging you to pick up and read a book about drawing, not videos. You'll keep trying to follow lines rather than looking at what's shown. I can tell from your drawing, you focus way too much on details to the detriment of form and perspective.

>>7718944
I'm not sure it is or if game characters in general have a lot of details and it's too easy to focus on details instead of the big picture stuff

>>7718944
>>7726992
He's not even drawing the hard stuff tho he's just doodling naked anime girls

>>7714347
How many drawings did you did in a one year?

>>7726961
What books should I need to read?

>>7727214
late september last year was when I started numbering my drawings, so it's been 133 since that time

>>7707818 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8Ofe-3Clfg

BROS HES BACK1!!!

>>7727245
We are so fucking back

>>7727245
I am glad we didn't kill his motivation