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Anonymous No.7709768 >>7711799 >>7716522
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Anonymous No.7709773 >>7709789 >>7710772
First new oil painting in a while.
Anonymous No.7709789 >>7709791
>>7709773
looks good
Anonymous No.7709791 >>7709807
>>7709789
Thanks. Its yours?
Anonymous No.7709807
>>7709791
Its my mspaint edit of another anons painting
Anonymous No.7709827 >>7710213 >>7710278
I had some thoughts about stylization and realism lately. Its much easier and cheaper to find references, when your style is transformative enough, that the result does not trigger copyright laws. Its not really about the laws, its about your own perception. In my case i dont feel full ownership of my work, when i work from references i didnt produced myself. Even if i use images without copyright.
I tend towards realism, but the last couple of years were very frustrating. I tried to work from internet pictures, felt bad. I tried to work from life and my own photos, but that was way to hard and limiting. I would need a stable income from my art to legitimize all the hustle.
Anonymous No.7709834
I think when i push my proportions and colors more i could transform every ref i want into my own art. But then im afraid to end up like most artists with a meme style.
Anonymous No.7710115 >>7710375
how do you organize/archive your old drawings? I have hundreds of papers I have no idea where to put them.
Also, wasn't there a general about materials, papers, tools and whatnot for trad artists?
Anonymous No.7710213 >>7710221
>>7709827
you're worryingly low IQ
Anonymous No.7710221 >>7710264
>>7710213
> artistic integrity is dumb
Postmodernism ruined a whole generation of artists.
Anonymous No.7710264
>>7710221
>it's the gypsy
lol
Anonymous No.7710278 >>7710293
>>7709827
>those Dishonored portraits were done from reference
Fuck me, I always though those were done from imagination, now I feel lied to.

Anyway, I feel the same way as you do, working from a reference someone else made, unless it's a specifically made reference sheet I only use to plan out a pose. The only time I work from reference is when it's some throwaway picture, like fanart or some shit, other time I feel like an original idea carries the picture more than just skillfully copying a photo. There's a chinese artist that does faux-trad in digital very nicely, but all of his pictures are just some chinese insta-whores repainted with trad brushes in photoshop, it's very tiring to look at
Anonymous No.7710293
>>7710278
> now I feel lied to
I was disappointed as well. In the first place, because the photos are better. Maybe its the context with this American sheets, they use for prisoners.
The photos are more interesting, they look wicked and sad and dumb.
At the same time the photos look curated, which hints to a darker context of Nazi skull measurement and connecting ugliness to higher rates of criminality and so on.
Very cool photos, they artist was able to capture some it but added nothing. Its like a mediocre translation from photo to painting.
I felt similar quite often. If i have a photo thats interesting im asking myself what im even doing. The postmodern photorealism approach is not mine. I dont see the irony in larping a printed, i feel just stupid.
Then i tried to paint from "bad" photos, to have room to add something. Its better, but harder (harder in a not so pleasant way) to achieve good realism.
Working from life works way better for me. But there is the problem with locations. I dont really like the country im living in, at least im not really inspired by what it looks like in these days. Especially the region im living in. I feel 0 desire to paint things around me.
I painted some interior, food, toothpaste and so on. Was fun. But i would prefer a naked woman or dude in a historical setting.
Anonymous No.7710375
>>7710115
> Also, wasn't there a general about materials, papers, tools and whatnot for trad artists?
There normally is, if its not there make a new one.
Its funny, in a perfect world there would be 0 reasons to split those two topics, but in reality the people in both have not too much in common. Material threads are mostly for nodraw consumers.
Sometimes when i need infos on an ink or pen, i look it up at youtube and there are a lot of people, completely obsessed with buying colorfull ink bottles of inks and pens for hundreds of dollars and they are not artists and not even calligraphers. Just normies obsessed with pens for no reason.
Actually, its often harder to find a review by an artis, rather than by a collector.
Anonymous No.7710659 >>7710764
>/trad/ shittalking nodraws
LAWL
Anonymous No.7710708 >>7710764
>Thread derailed in 5 posts
/ic/ is fucking dead.
Anonymous No.7710764 >>7710771
>>7710708
>>7710659
pyw
Anonymous No.7710771 >>7710772
>>7710764
>no work
>trying to pick a fight online instead
part and parcel of posting in a /trad/ thread
Anonymous No.7710772
>>7710771
> >no work
>>7709773
> First new oil painting in a while.
Anonymous No.7710777 >>7710778 >>7711724
I have done a series of drawings with Raiden as the principle part of the composition. Here's one
Anonymous No.7710778 >>7710782 >>7711685 >>7711724
>>7710777
Heres 2
Anonymous No.7710782
>>7710778
I like 2 the best.
Anonymous No.7710787 >>7711724
>>7710780
Anonymous No.7711685
>>7710778
pose and torso is great but the forearm looks wrong, what ref did you use
Anonymous No.7711724
>>7710777
>>7710778
>>7710787
butt not big enough
Anonymous No.7711799 >>7711802
>>7709768 (OP)
pastel, this ones really small 5"x8"
Anonymous No.7711802 >>7711936 >>7712148
>>7711799
oops
Anonymous No.7711936 >>7711948 >>7711959
>>7711802
how old?
Anonymous No.7711948
>>7711936
she said she heard of limp bizkit so old enough
Anonymous No.7711957 >>7712199 >>7713330
Acrylic makers or Alcohol makers for a beginner?
How many colors should I buy?
This is what I want to achieve.
Anonymous No.7711959
>>7711936
Objection! Relevance?
Anonymous No.7712148 >>7712152 >>7712201
>>7711802
that's actually pretty good

Is anybody following Colleen Barry's Patreon or Substack? Seems to be some good stuff there, would love it if somebody shared it.
Anonymous No.7712152 >>7712165
>>7712148
Can we go two threads without you shilling your shitty wife?
Anonymous No.7712162
What's more easy to learn but hard to master and produces the best looking results?
Gauche or watercolors?
Anonymous No.7712165
>>7712152
I discourage paying for her work, I encourage piracy. If anybody know a way around substack's paywall, please share
Anonymous No.7712199 >>7712222
>>7711957
Watercolor
Anonymous No.7712201
>>7712148
> Colleen Barry
Not this stupid cunt again, fuck you John. I pirated your stupid course, its shit, havent even watched it...
Anonymous No.7712205
My fault, the op picture is too faggy.
Anonymous No.7712222 >>7712333
>>7712199
No
Anonymous No.7712333 >>7712347
>>7712222
Hmm, im the trad police and i tell you to buy watercolors and not some soulless markers.
Anonymous No.7712347 >>7712380 >>7713528
>>7712333
I'm bad at mixing colors, I want to start drawing trad stuff but I want some training wheels first.
Anonymous No.7712380 >>7712396 >>7712566
>>7712347
> I'm bad at mixing colors
Thats the point though.
Painting is 50% mixing.
Using markers i a very graphical and illustrative exercise. Nothing wrong with that, but when you really want to paint you need start mixing.
Try a limited palette Zorn/Apelles or even Ultramarine and Burned Sienna or different red earth.
With such a palette as long as your values are right, you cant fuck up the colors. Through the limitedness it will be harmonized in the end.
Anonymous No.7712396 >>7712414 >>7712508
>>7712380
If you can, give me good video course guides for trad painting then.
Anonymous No.7712414 >>7712417 >>7712425 >>7712437
>>7712396
Try Will St John's, he's awesome
Anonymous No.7712417 >>7712419 >>7712434
>>7712414
Expensive though
Anonymous No.7712419
>>7712417
But worth it
Anonymous No.7712425
>>7712414
> Will St John
Anonymous No.7712434 >>7712451 >>7712974
>>7712417
> Expensive though
Paying for courses? What are you a neolib? Just torrent whatever you need.
Anonymous No.7712437
>>7712414
found where?
Anonymous No.7712451
>>7712434
>torrent
No! You could get a virus! You must pay and acquire the material through the propel channels!!
Anonymous No.7712508 >>7712560
>>7712396
everything you've ever wanted to know about watercolor
>inb4 too retarded for a book
Anonymous No.7712560
>>7712508
Thanks
Anonymous No.7712566 >>7712579 >>7712677 >>7712974 >>7713314
>>7712380
Another question, is art like pic related done with makers or watercolors?
Anonymous No.7712579 >>7712964
>>7712566
acrylic markers if it were to be made by hand
Anonymous No.7712677
>>7712566
digital, dumbass
Anonymous No.7712964 >>7713140
>>7712579
Really? any examples?
Anonymous No.7712974 >>7712982
>>7712566
Its cg, the sky is probably a photo with filter.
If you want your art look like this, why dont you use photoshop? Whats even your motivation to use trad?
You can paint quite cg like with trad materials, but its advanced, cos you have to fight the medium all the time. Every medium hast its "natural" look and if you fight it, its always harder. And really unnecessary for noobs.
Like you could use oil, to make it look like watercolor. Yes. BUT its makes no sense for a noob.
You want cg, use cg.
Cg evolved
>>7712434
the last years, its now easier to make photoshop look like trad, then the other way around.
Anonymous No.7712982 >>7713156
>>7712974
I've been doing digital art for years, but I always yearned to paint in trad.
I started here because it was cheaper to learn the fundamentals without wasting money on materials (and I was poor and young at the time, now I have the money to properly learn)
Anonymous No.7713140 >>7713314
>>7712964
you can look up acrylic marker examples on youtube and the like, I'm mostly saying this because it is the easiest medium to do flat coloring on, however it might not be the case, it could be made using tempera for all I know, but it's most likely digital art.
Anonymous No.7713156 >>7713162 >>7713330
>>7712982
Yeah, honestly the difference between cg and trad is bigger than you probably think.
I dont think its the way for to go, to try to make trad look and feel like cg that you already know.
I think it makes more sense to take it as it as, as its own thing. Ther is of course a big connection between digital and analog, but dont force it.
Look ap art thats traditional, something you like, Miyazaki, or other flat and cartoony people. And then try to paint like them. Have fun, do it for a while and over time, you may merge both medium, trad and digital to one style. Or maybe not, maybe you will like the separation of the two.
Anonymous No.7713162
>>7713156
> or other flat and cartoony people
I mean, do that if you have to.
I would suggest to look at real painting. Not illustration, but painting.
Something mainstream, like Sargents watercolors for example. Cg is illustrative, therfore it can hard for cg people to understand the difference between painting and illustration. But the difference is very distinct and important.
Anonymous No.7713314 >>7713367 >>7713569
>>7713140
I've seen those yt examples and they already sold me out but I really need to see art like pic related (for the opaque finish) done with acrylic makers to see if I should pull the trigger and buy them.

Also what I mean by this picture >>7712566 is not where it was made but the finish look it has and what could be compared to.
Anonymous No.7713330 >>7713410
>>7713156
Yeah I know that the two are completely different mediums, but like I said in the other post I learned digital in order to prepare myself for traditional, as in the fundamentals only (values, color theory, perspective, textures etc.) because the materials are not the same.
This >>7711957 picture for example was my first ever painting using gouache and it was fun.
Anonymous No.7713367
>>7713314
yeesh, anon
you're making my pee-pee hard
stop it
jk please go on
Anonymous No.7713410 >>7713445
>>7713330
> picture for example was my first ever painting using gouache
Good, and whats the problem?
Anonymous No.7713445 >>7713513
>>7713410
Nothing, just an example of what I could do with what I learned in digital.
Anonymous No.7713513 >>7713528
>>7713445
> Nothing
Why dont you just paint another one?
Anonymous No.7713528 >>7713538
>>7713513
Becuause >>7712347
Anonymous No.7713538 >>7713541
>>7713528
> I'm bad at mixing colors
And painting with markers will make you better at mixing?
Markers aren't training wheels, they're a wheelchair.
If you want training wheels for mixing, start with a warm/cool limited palette.
Anonymous No.7713541 >>7713544 >>7713572
>>7713538
>And painting with markers will make you better at mixing?
No.. The colors are already mixed I just have to put them where they are supposed to go. This is to get mileage on real paper, eventually I will learn how to mix my own colors.
Anonymous No.7713544 >>7713605
>>7713541
> The colors are already mixed I just have to put them where they are supposed to go.
You did it, you convinced me, can't see anything going wrong, you have my blessing, son.
Anonymous No.7713569 >>7713576 >>7713605
>>7713314
>they already sold me out
wut
>for the opaque finish
wut
>but the finish look it has and what could be compared to
it looks digital, it doesn't compare to trad in any way whatsoever
the closest you'll get is gouache/poster paint but lineart will be a fucking mess on paper, they'd do it on the opposite face of the cel before digital
Anonymous No.7713572 >>7713612
>>7713541
FYI this is who you're talking to.
Anonymous No.7713576 >>7713666
>>7713569
>>they already sold me out
>wut
I think he wanted to say "I'm sold" or some variation of that phrase
Anonymous No.7713605 >>7713616
>>7713544
Thanks
>>7713569
Opaque as not transparent
And I know it looks digital and it is digital, that's not the point, the point is that I wanted to know the equivalent of that style in real life. Because i've seen jap artist do pieces like that in trad media.
Anonymous No.7713612
>>7713572
Idk, she looks like she knows what she is doing.
Anonymous No.7713616 >>7713622
>>7713605
>Opaque as not transparent
I know what opaque means, do you? what is an "opaque finish"? you posted oil with visible transparency, I have no clue what the fuck you think you're asking for
Anonymous No.7713622 >>7713632
>>7713616
Eh.... let's leave it at that.
Anonymous No.7713632 >>7713643
>>7713622
retard
Anonymous No.7713643 >>7713648
>>7713632
Yes, I'm bad at explaining things.
Anonymous No.7713648 >>7713666
>>7713643
you're not bad at explaining things, you're too full of yourself to admit you have no idea what you're talking about and actually learn
you've spent like 20 posts acting like a retard, asking nonsensical question based on how you're imagining materials working and dismissing everyone telling you that's not how it works
I asked a simple question about your query in an effort to help you and you've acted like a 12 year old redditor
kill yourself, nigger
Anonymous No.7713666 >>7713668 >>7713685 >>7713700 >>7714295
>>7713648
Calm down man, I'm not here to fight with anyone.
No, I'm not getting full of myself. And yes, I don't know much about the material and that's why I'm here. I'm using the words opaque and transparent to make my point a bit easier to understand.
Here's a summary, I like a style of painting that has thick strokes that have almost zero transparency and rely less on blending colors with each other, so that means little smoothness or gradients, and more bold colors one of top of the other.
I believe that acrylic makers will help me get there in trad art as a getaway to eventually learn proper normal painting, like I said above, what I want to see is more art made with them to see what are they capable of, because by searching both those and alcohol makers I see more art made the latter so that made me drop into this thread to make that question.
The digital picture that I posted was meant to ask something out of curiosity and it's not related to the main point.
Also this anon >>7713576 got that post right, I just phrase that wrong.
Anonymous No.7713668
>>7713666
phrased"
Anonymous No.7713685 >>7713695
>>7713666
There's shitloads of blending, gradients and transparent layering in that image.
Anonymous No.7713695 >>7713771
>>7713685
Yes, I said little not non-existent.
Now compare it to this pic, there's now a fuckload of them.
You can see the strokes and shapes in that first one, I like that kind of work and the ones that go a bit more beyond that, like Impasto.
Anonymous No.7713700 >>7713711
>>7713666
That's not how painting works at all, just shut the fuck up and pick up a tube of black and white
Anonymous No.7713711 >>7713721
>>7713700
Sure, what do you want me to paint?
Anonymous No.7713721 >>7713745
>>7713711
I want you to stop shitting up the thread with this inane theorycrafting
Anonymous No.7713745 >>7713750
>>7713721
And I think you should take it easy man.
And it's fine, I will paint something and post it here later.
Anonymous No.7713750
>>7713745
I'm typing on my phone while wasting time at work, kiddo, this is taking it easy
Anonymous No.7713771
>>7713695
> You can see the strokes and shapes in that first one, I like that kind of work and the ones that go a bit more beyond that, like Impasto.
What do you think is impasto?
Anonymous No.7714295 >>7715544
>>7713666
that pic is fucking good. Reminds me of Edgar Payne. I assume you were heavily referencing another image, right?
Anonymous No.7715544
>>7714295
Not my art sorry.
Anonymous No.7716522 >>7717775
>>7709768 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/live/r-_mfJKfgAU?si=hTAEdMtN3xWPaBew

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Anonymous No.7716535 >>7716886 >>7716902
First attempt at acrylics coming from a few years doing mainly digital. I had a lot of fun mixing colors and it felt more rewarding compared to the usual flat looking digital work I've done up until now, it also made me realize how much I am carried by the undo button and now I crave texture
Anonymous No.7716886 >>7717125
>>7716535
nice values
Anonymous No.7716902 >>7717125
>>7716535
I would harmonize the colors a little bit more and the turquoise drop shadow looks weird, way too saturated. Otherwise its nice.
Anonymous No.7716927 >>7717631
Used a ballpoint pen on a shitty piece of paper
Anonymous No.7717125
>>7716886
Thank you!
>>7716902
I appreciate the feedback! Agreed that the drop shadow looked off, but I couldn't quite see what it was at the time
Anonymous No.7717551 >>7717639
1 month painting, first time using gouache.

Also how do you take photos of things without the shadow of your phone appearing and also getting the correct colours? I tried to edit it so the colours look more similar to irl but should I just use a scanner instead or something
Anonymous No.7717627 >>7717636
Makin this joint
Anonymous No.7717631 >>7718000
>>7716927
Based 'saw Alphonso Dunn's drawing in the other thread' anon.
Anonymous No.7717636 >>7717672
>>7717627

All your colours are muddy. Are you using artist quality paints?
Anonymous No.7717639
>>7717551

This could be a lot better if you painted the pepper from life. I can tell you used a photo because the lighting is very flat. I think if you added more saturation to the midtone it will become a bit more threedimensional. Don't be afraid of using more hue variation, ie go a bit more purplish (cooler) in the shadow parts, and more warm red in the midtones.
Anonymous No.7717672 >>7717781
>>7717636
What moody means. I don know id have to check they arent very good it feels desu. Is still like 60% way through so a lot of it is failing to spread paint quickly for rough draft. The cloak is a bit muddy though and that is more developed at least the upper part and arms so that should be because I want to avoid using pure colors like pure white so i mixed with red and brown and same with wings those have red and brown and white mix so it looks more pro or renaissance shit.
Anonymous No.7717775 >>7717776
>>7716522
Anonymous No.7717776
>>7717775
https://www.youtube.com/live/r-_mfJKfgAU?si=vmu0F7xI5-mlA8dN
in progress
Anonymous No.7717781
>>7717672

I don't think I fully understand what you are yapping about. No one said to use a colour straight from the tube, you can mix a 'clean' colour perfectly fine. Read this: https://drawpaintacademy.com/muddy-colors/ A painting generally does need some muddy colours in areas of low interest and such but that's an aside. Her skin looks dead. Brush up on your values as well.
Anonymous No.7717975 >>7718021
Idk why but lately the fact I’m totally unknown on all social media platforms annoys me. I sell art, I even sell art for a lot of money sometimes, but having 100 followers on INSERT DATA MINING APP pisses me off. I really don’t think it’s what people say, that I’m β€œan ass hole online”, because that has nothing to do with a post that’s just a painting with relevant hashtags. Anyways I’m fat and retarded.
Anonymous No.7718000
>>7717631
Thx man
I'm kinda drawing those images daily from now on
I don't understand how tentacles work
Anonymous No.7718021
>>7717975
> Idk why but lately the fact I’m totally unknown on all social media platforms annoys me.
You should work a little bit more on your fundis, I'm sure when you keep learning, one day you will produce something decent.