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Anonymous No.7715710 [Report] >>7715726 >>7715730 >>7715734 >>7715736 >>7715744 >>7715750 >>7715763 >>7715849 >>7715983 >>7716091 >>7716374 >>7716447 >>7716497 >>7716520 >>7717715 >>7717898 >>7718270 >>7724223
This is Stan Prokopenko's attempt at a comic. How did he do?
Anonymous No.7715716 [Report]
Weirdly good paneling
Anonymous No.7715718 [Report]
>I found some POLYGUNS.
Anonymous No.7715722 [Report] >>7715761
Imagine if his channel and platform never took off. I bet he'd be a twitter lolcow making shitty porn OCs
Anonymous No.7715726 [Report]
>>7715710 (OP)
i love how this comic only looks the way it does and is written the way it's written is because of how heavily fundiemaxxed proko is with no sense of appeal or how to make a good comic
like he's clearly trying very hard to communicate unique shape language with the designs, walle brings polygons cause it's one of few 3d forms proko can flex drawing from imagination, etc
Anonymous No.7715728 [Report]
Oh yeah? Well where is your comic, OP? Can you do better than Stan?
Anonymous No.7715730 [Report]
>>7715710 (OP)
I find it hilarious that the best punchline he could come up with is a really shitty pun related to geometric shapes. It's like he's burned all of his humor into drawing concepts
Anonymous No.7715734 [Report]
>>7715710 (OP)
I love it. I bet the normiest of normie women like elementary school teachers would also like it.
Anonymous No.7715736 [Report] >>7715745
>>7715710 (OP)
Half of the joke is Stan looking WALL-E (the movie) and he himself hearing WALL-E actually say "wallll-eee" there at the bottom when the dog says it
Anonymous No.7715744 [Report] >>7715748
>>7715710 (OP)
How old is this?
Anonymous No.7715745 [Report] >>7715761
>>7715736
The wall at the start of the comic sets up the pun later (wall + eeeh). Part of the joke is also that Wall-E form the movie collects trash, which is polygonal. Stan is a very funny man and definitely not a low-IQ person.
Anonymous No.7715748 [Report] >>7715754
>>7715744
2016
Anonymous No.7715750 [Report]
>>7715710 (OP)
Its totally overworked, you could tell such stupid joke way more efficient. Reading all this shit and investing time to figure out, whats going on, makes the expectation higher. And when you see the punchline, you are frustrated and you feel betrayed.
Anonymous No.7715754 [Report] >>7715766 >>7716324
>>7715748
What the fuck. Did he have a stint in 2016 where he forgot how to draw?
Anonymous No.7715761 [Report]
>>7715722
He mentioned he did programing as a hobby after high school, so he'll probably be doing IT.
>>7715745
Didn't he have a dog called Walle irl? I think be based the character of off that
Anonymous No.7715763 [Report]
>>7715710 (OP)
If we're seriously critiquing the comic, it's pretty amateurish.
The first panel has them standing in front of a wall, but it ends prematurely and becomes the sky of the last panel - making the wall look as if it's not part of anything (such as a house) and really out of place, as if it were a prop.

The second, third, fourth and fifth are odd shapes that do nothing to help with readability (and in fact they inhibit it), don't help convey any emotion, and frankly just look odd. Panel two and five are also connected for no discernible reason (six and seven are also connected, but are sequential to each other, so it's not as egregious).

Panel six has Wall-e suddenly teleport to a new location, with no lead up.
Panel seven break the 180 degree rule, just to show another angle of wall-e's expression at that exact moment - which is neither interesting, nor important.

Finally, in the last panel it feels as though Eva and Wall-e should be more centered, as it appears they're more to the side.

So yeah, not good, there's something off about every panel in the single page comic. He tried too hard to reinvent the wheel to make it more visually interesting, but just made it feel very awkward.
But hey, it's likely one of his first, if not his first outright, comics that he's made - which is an art in of itself - so you can't expect something high quality...
Well, the art is not particularly nice either, but that's a different discussion.
Anonymous No.7715766 [Report]
>>7715754
He's only has three big sales as an artist (i.e. not just selling a sketch to friends). The man's skills are overrated.
Anonymous No.7715849 [Report] >>7716343
>>7715710 (OP)
The fact that this didn't immediately end his career as an online art educator is unconscionable
Anonymous No.7715983 [Report] >>7715987 >>7715989
>>7715710 (OP)
he's not a cartoonist
its not like he's bad at drawing at the stuff he specialized in
Anonymous No.7715987 [Report] >>7715989 >>7715998
>>7715983
This.
No one here has ever actually tried balancing out both cartoons and realism or they'd know the two are distinctly different skills.
Anonymous No.7715989 [Report] >>7716020 >>7716068
>>7715983
>>7715987
nah but let's not act like he is the norm. most artist's are more flexible
Anonymous No.7715998 [Report] >>7716020
>>7715987
>No one here has ever actually tried balancing out both cartoons and realism or they'd know the two are distinctly different skills.
Embarrassing.
Anonymous No.7716020 [Report]
>>7715989
>>7715998
You both have 45 minutes as of this post to produce at least a short term figure drawing with basic block in shading, from reference if you please, and a cartoon, can be anime, cal arts, furry, whatever, failure to deliver and PYW will be seen as concession. Your time starts now.
Anonymous No.7716068 [Report] >>7716412
>>7715989
evidence for this statement?
and don't start bring up masters in their field because they are literally exceptional
proko also learned how to draw cartoons later. people act like once you post art its over, your locked into this skill zone forever. its no wonder you lot never pyw
Anonymous No.7716078 [Report]
Uhh, the art isn't the main problem here, people. Proko told Marshall he never reads books, and it shows.
Anonymous No.7716091 [Report] >>7716368
>>7715710 (OP)
proko is proof that grinding works. You can have no talent and no creative energy and still learn to be a good xerox machine. He got really good at copying references 1:1 with no soul or decision making. So he foolishly thought that meant he knew how to draw.
This is him trying to create something new from his heart. You could say that's in his entire career since he started seriously studying, this is the FIRST actual drawing he's ever done. This is his BEST drawing.
Anonymous No.7716141 [Report]
Does anyone have redraws of the dogs by anons? I remember seeing at least one such pic before, would be interesting to see /ic/'s efforts at being better than Proko again.
Anonymous No.7716160 [Report] >>7716490
Proko's "Comedy" Is why I don't like his videos. He stops a lecture to tell a shitty dad joke with a skeleton and the bland as fuck art nerds loovee it.
Anonymous No.7716161 [Report] >>7716303 >>7716380
Don't get too happy laughing at him. He makes over 6 figures doing what he loves, has great passive income from his youtube channel, a loving wife and child, a nice place to live, the latest wacom tools, and draws whatever he wants.
Anonymous No.7716163 [Report] >>7716299
It just looks like somebody who's never drawn a comic before. The drawings themselves are better than most people's first attempt at drawing a comic. That's all.
Anonymous No.7716299 [Report] >>7716320
>>7716163
>The drawings themselves are better than most people's first attempt at drawing a comic.

Maybe I'm being unfair because my first ever comic strip was syndicated, but I'm gonna call bullshit on this. Most people could at least give their comics Dav Pilkey esque appeal.
Anonymous No.7716303 [Report]
>>7716161
He had to live with his folks to get all that going. He ain't self-made. I'm glad his mail order bride can give him mixed-race babies, tho. Vewy cute. Why we no look like daddy?
Anonymous No.7716320 [Report]
>>7716299
>my first ever comic strip was syndicated
what the fuck there's syndicated first-timer cartoonists on /ic/? bullshit
Anonymous No.7716324 [Report] >>7716491
>>7715754
You've fallen for the "good at one art means you're good at all art" begtrap. The same trap that leads to people endlessly copying Loomis and actual old masters then wondering why their anime drawings still look like they were drawn by a 5th grader, or the people who pull their hair out wondering why artists who make blatant anatomical, perspective, lighting, etc mistakes, yet somehow consistently produce art that people want to look at.
Technical skill does not in and of itself result in quality stylized art, nor does technical skill apply to stylized art inherently result in appealing art.
There are successful artists who have probably put in a fraction of the time studying "fundies" as the average /ic permabeg yet always have full commission lists and produce appealing art with ease.
Proko is a technically skilled artist. He can draw well and people appreciate his art for the skill. But he does not have strong stylization skills, nor does his art have strong appeal. If he didn't teach art, and have notoriety as an instructor, he' probably be stuck trying to sell portraits at local art shows or posting to a social media account with double digit followers and posting pieces which would get either literally zero or maybe single digit engagement numbers.
Anonymous No.7716343 [Report] >>7718322
>>7715849
I mean... he's done far worse....
Anonymous No.7716352 [Report] >>7716376 >>7716377 >>7716436 >>7716452 >>7717658 >>7717659 >>7718315 >>7718326 >>7718415 >>7721853
I tried

Not very hard, mind you, but I tried.
Anonymous No.7716368 [Report]
>>7716091
Proko is a cautious tale of what happens when an NPC learns to draw
Anonymous No.7716374 [Report] >>7716375
>>7715710 (OP)
It's not bad. The drawings are pretty uninteresting to me, but it's a decent page. I just don't think a story about 2 dogs is very interesting, unless you are a small kid perhaps.
Anonymous No.7716375 [Report] >>7716379
>>7716374
No, it's actually bad-bad.
Anonymous No.7716376 [Report] >>7716398
>>7716352
you tried to impress, you did not try to have fun
Anonymous No.7716377 [Report]
>>7716352
I like it
Anonymous No.7716379 [Report] >>7716385
>>7716375
It's a shitpost which is very common for 1 page chapters. Wordplays is also very very common for these kind of stories. It's not like you can tell some deep story on a single page.
Anonymous No.7716380 [Report] >>7716389
>>7716161
he has all that AND he spent his life studying art yet I'm still better than him. Me, the khhv ugly bastard that jacks off to loli and futa porn. He would sneer at my twitter slop drawings but I am still closer to god and the stream of consciousness than he is.
Anonymous No.7716385 [Report] >>7716400
>>7716379
It's not even good wordplay.
Anonymous No.7716389 [Report] >>7716393 >>7716397
>>7716380
correction, he spent his life teaching art and studying the kind of art he actually wanted to make. he's better at you at what he actually likes. go figure
Anonymous No.7716393 [Report] >>7717481
>>7716389
deep down he is not happy about being a render monkey
Anonymous No.7716395 [Report] >>7718776
Anonymous No.7716397 [Report] >>7717482
>>7716389
Fundies should be like somewhat transferable. It's hard to believe he's this bad at making comics knowing how to paint already. Cartooning isn't exactly rocket science.

I'd be incredibly suspect about anything he teaches after seeing this shit.
Anonymous No.7716398 [Report] >>7716413
>>7716376
I'd argue proko is trying to impress more with his 'wacky' page layout, than the anon who's used a simple grid layout.
Anonymous No.7716400 [Report] >>7716407
>>7716385
I wasn't sure if I just don't get the joke, but yea, I didn't find it funny at all. But at least he had the right idea. The structure of the story is decent. He's just shit at picking good subjects and drawing it interestingly.
Anonymous No.7716407 [Report]
>>7716400
>He's just shit at picking good subjects and drawing it interestingly.
It's just a single comic page, but if you're talking about his art career as a whole, then maybe.
Anonymous No.7716409 [Report]
Take it from someone that can actually draw:
https://warosu.org/ic/thread/4068360#p4069794
Anonymous No.7716412 [Report] >>7717482 >>7717538
>>7716068
Proko is the type of artist that solely draws from reference is he not? There are more artists that draw original scenes as needed for games etc than there are the ones that just draw still lives and i'd say they are likely much more adaptable but ofc i can't prove it for sure
Anonymous No.7716413 [Report] >>7716420
>>7716398
i'd argue this is another eceleb drama thread where anons are trying to get approval by being better than whoever this thread is about, rather than talk shop
Anonymous No.7716420 [Report] >>7716421 >>7716437
>>7716413
>rather than talk shop
There are posts in this thread that are talking about the nitty gritty of the comic page, its layout, and why the page doesn't work; did you reply to those, or did you reply to another frivolous post to give your pithy asinine and condescending 'above-it-all' opinion?
You're part of the problem you're self diagnosing here.

Even if this whole thread is a waste, you're posting in it, bumping it, and giving it more attention, thus perpetuating the problem.
Simply hide the thread if you don't like it.
Anonymous No.7716421 [Report] >>7716425
>>7716420
>t. dramatranny that got called out
anon, i dunno, you probably know my past and future because the voices in your head say so

Maybe after posting the same thread for the 9554654651th time, you should realize you're just clinically retarded?
Anonymous No.7716425 [Report]
>>7716421
>tranny
>you probably know my past and future
>the voices in your head say so
That's some wild speculation from someone accusing others of mental illness, retard.
Keep punching, surely you'll hit those ghosts eventually.
Anonymous No.7716434 [Report] >>7716442
>makes a whole story about random people
>NO DONT CALL ME A SCHIZOPHRENIC TRANNY AKSHUALLY YOU ARE
bot, esl, or unironically retarded? decide
Anonymous No.7716435 [Report]
just stop schizo
Anonymous No.7716436 [Report]
>>7716352
made me laugh good job
Anonymous No.7716437 [Report] >>7716442
>>7716420
Lmao what a skizo
Anonymous No.7716442 [Report]
>>7716434
>makes a whole story about random people
What story? I simply addressed the post you made. I didn't say anything about you outside of that post I'm adressing.
Meanwhile, you speculated that I'm a tranny, that I assume to know everything about you, and hear voices.
Of course you're just trying to insult me, but then to vague post and cry about me making up stories, while calling me an esl (again, while falsely misunderstanding that I'm making up stories)... just weak, anon.

>>7716437
Oh no, a different anon, definitely a different anon, is calling me skizo! NOOOOOO!!
Pathetic.
Anonymous No.7716443 [Report] >>7716444
Ok you're not a tranny, you're an autistic trooner gooner
Anonymous No.7716444 [Report]
>>7716443
Cool, thank you for the correction.
Anonymous No.7716447 [Report] >>7716452 >>7716453
>>7715710 (OP)
heres my beg attempt
Anonymous No.7716452 [Report]
>>7716447
>>7716352
nice and cute
Anonymous No.7716453 [Report] >>7716457
>>7716447
A good deal more readable than the original, honestly.
Though I'd argue the 4th panel is unneeded, and disrupts the flow since he suddenly flips around and comes across as if he is looking at himself.
Anonymous No.7716457 [Report]
>>7716453
yah, I still wanted to use as much from the original as possible though to be fair to proko
Anonymous No.7716465 [Report]
Proko is a good atelier but not a good artist
Anonymous No.7716490 [Report]
>>7716160
i doubt anyone actually likes them it's really cringe but i think it'd have less heart if they weren't there
Anonymous No.7716491 [Report] >>7718046
>>7716324
Shape design is the fundies you're looking for
Simon Salva !!h4wpIXR3ZRV No.7716497 [Report] >>7716594
>>7715710 (OP)

Did AI come up with the storyboard sequence, the writing, and the character design? I've seen doujins made by /beg/s that are better than this shit.
Anonymous No.7716520 [Report] >>7716524
>>7715710 (OP)
I dont even get why he attempted this. Has he ever made any sequential art in his portfolio? Forget comics, like theres classical Triptychs and shit like that, he could have done something in his fucking lane but still show how sequential art works. Basic fundies dont cover this kind of shit
Anonymous No.7716524 [Report]
>>7716520
I recall someone said he made it for his wife as part of a birthday present.
Not sure how true that is though.
Anonymous No.7716594 [Report] >>7717483
>>7716497
It was made in 2016 so probably not. But yeah, it's bad.
Anonymous No.7717481 [Report]
>>7716393
projecting
Anonymous No.7717482 [Report]
>>7716397
>>7716412
he was drawing something on a stream in a few seconds
and then he got better at drawing roos
Simon Salva !!h4wpIXR3ZRV No.7717483 [Report]
>>7716594

A child did, then.
Anonymous No.7717538 [Report] >>7717549 >>7717558 >>7717561 >>7717661
>>7716412
how do you draw something without knowing what it is? draw a verraux eagle owl now. dont look it up
Anonymous No.7717549 [Report]
>>7717538
Would probably draw something that looks more like the eagle than Proko's failed abortion does a kangaroo.
Anonymous No.7717558 [Report] >>7717588
>>7717538
I'm not exactly a birdologist, but at least my blind eagle looks like a bird.
Anonymous No.7717561 [Report] >>7717590
>>7717538
A kangaroo isn't exactly an obscure animal.
Anonymous No.7717588 [Report] >>7717595 >>7717661
>>7717558
Proko drew his kangaroo in barely a minute
Anonymous No.7717590 [Report] >>7717597
>>7717561
Its a recognizable animal, but its not really one someone sees often
Just enough to go “yeah i remember that animal” but if you’ve drawn enough you understand that you don’t really know how something looks until you’ve drawn it
Anonymous No.7717595 [Report] >>7717598 >>7717624 >>7717637
>>7717588
I will admit that my 30s blind kangaroo looks more like a walking dog, but I'm still gonna say I did better than stan
Anonymous No.7717597 [Report]
>>7717590
An aborted fetus is missing the mark by a country mile.
Anonymous No.7717598 [Report] >>7717602 >>7717661 >>7717675 >>7717696
>>7717595
Now do it off the cuff, on a stream, with no rehearsal and your experience drawing animals is limited compared to your other subject
Anonymous No.7717602 [Report]
>>7717598
These are literally the only two animals I've drawn in months, I've probably drawn less than 20 animals in my life unless you count catgirls. I did this first try with no rehearsal. Doing it on stream really doesn't change much. Proko's kanga is just irredeemably bad.
Anonymous No.7717624 [Report] >>7717637 >>7718052
>>7717595
Really good for off-the-cuff. Makes me unironically wonder if Proko is larping.
Anonymous No.7717637 [Report] >>7717670
>>7717595
>>7717624
hardly off the cuff. you had time to think about this, instead of jumping straight into something with little mental preparation
perhaps the secret to drawing well is just thinking about it before you draw it, but when in a stream you are under pressure to not leave dead air
Anonymous No.7717658 [Report]
>>7716352
Better execution
Simon Salva !!h4wpIXR3ZRV No.7717659 [Report] >>7717670 >>7718285
>>7716352

Do you have the .psd? If so, upload it to catbox. We have to know if you made this or not.
Anonymous No.7717661 [Report] >>7717836
>>7717538
>>7717588
>>7717598
>heh, draw an animal, see how hard it is
>uhhh, draw a kangaroo, but quickly this time and learn proko's suffering
>Wait wait wait, now you have to draw an animal quickly on a livestream with a live audience, that's when you can speak ill of proko!
I really hope this isn't all the same anon. The constantly goal post is just infuriating to look at.
Anonymous No.7717670 [Report] >>7717836
>>7717659
I don't know what you expect a .psd to show, do you really think I bothered to use more than one layer for this?

>>7717637
I feel like you're just making excuses at this point. Is someone going to ambush me in an alley and slit my throat if I don't draw a kangaroo in under 0.8 seconds? After reading the challenge, I took just enough time to roll my eyes, make a new canvas, and start a stopwatch before drawing the shitty kangaroo. Drawing off the cuff just isn't as big of an ask as you think it is, granted you have some amount of general proficiency. I don't expect everyone who draws to be able to do it, but if you're someone teaching fundamentals, I do expect you to have a well rounded ability to actualize them for yourself.
Anonymous No.7717675 [Report]
>>7717598
Shut the fuck up Proko
Anonymous No.7717685 [Report] >>7717691
I just found out Stan is pro AI and my opinion of him has gone up tenfold. I'm sorry I made fun of him.
Anonymous No.7717691 [Report] >>7717692
>>7717685
Use AI to help you write better bait, mate.
Anonymous No.7717692 [Report] >>7717695
>>7717691
I'm not baiting. Listen to the "Why Be an Artist When There's AI" episode of Draftsmen. He spends a good few minutes chewing out luddites and AI whiners.
Anonymous No.7717695 [Report]
>>7717692
Granted, it was in 2022, so he may have been forced to change his views due to luddoid mob pressure, but still.
Anonymous No.7717696 [Report] >>7717834
>>7717598
so all of drawing is just redrawing something you drew in the past?
Anonymous No.7717715 [Report]
>>7715710 (OP)

this really has that autistic charm where the paneling, perspective, and angles are all top-notch but many of the panels just aren't necessary to convey the message (with the message itself being a 0/10 pun). it feels like an action movie where they switch cameras every 3 seconds during a banal conversation and you don't know why, but it sticks out for you once you notice it.
Anonymous No.7717834 [Report]
>>7717696
If you’re doing it in front of an audience it is
Anonymous No.7717836 [Report] >>7717950 >>7717986
>>7717670
Anyone can be caught off guard on a subject they haven’t drawn before if they are doing it in front of an audience and drawing from memory
I don’t know how this is hard for people to grasp
>>7717661
Trying to understand the conditions of what caused the kangaroo to happen is not really moving the goalposts
Also it hardly matters when proko learned how to draw one later years later.
Am i really crazy for thinking that it’s stupid for people to dig up drawings from 10 years ago and think they still reflect on you? That’s not insane is it?
Doesn’t seem people are trying to learn what kind of lesson Proko’s mistake teaches us as artists, and instead it just seems like self important crabs being smug for not studying fundies
Anonymous No.7717898 [Report] >>7718480
>>7715710 (OP)
I can feel my gains leave out of my body as I read this comic lol this shit is a psychological hazard, please never post it again.
Anonymous No.7717950 [Report] >>7718020
>>7717836
>not really moving the goalposts
Since you're not denying that all those posts are yours, I have to assume they are. Buddy, that's a text book definition of "Moving the Goal Posts".
You set a goal, the anon met that goal, then you say
>'N-no, that one didn't count, do this one instead!'
and you did this again after he met your challenge the second time.

Had you been this adamant about proko being under pressure during a live stream, you should have just come out of the gate with that, because currently it seems like you're just desperately looking for and clinging to excuses to protect the e-celeb you like, after having your previous excuses (drawing an animal without reference, and drawing an animal without reference in a time constraint) crushed.
Anonymous No.7717986 [Report]
>>7717836
>Am i really crazy for thinking that it’s stupid for people to dig up drawings from 10 years ago and think they still reflect on you?
Crabs on /ic/ love to shit on others to make themselves feel better. This is a cesspool of bitter never-made-it's who seethe at the fact that others are living their dreams. Proko is a target because he's a famous art youtuber, makes a living off his art/channel, and had a bad stream a long time ago they can gleefully laugh at so they can forget about how miserable they currently are.
Anonymous No.7718020 [Report] >>7718030 >>7718635
>>7717950
This isn’t debate class anon. Get your head out of your ass.
You’re so obsessed with pedantic gotchas that it makes me unsure what your actual intentions are.
For me I find it fascinating to understand how someone who is normally a good artist in one field is bad in another field. I want to analyze the actual complexities of art learning and skills. Not expose people for being frauds when put in very specific conditions. I GUESS I WAS SUPPOSE TO HAVE THIS SAID AS SOON AS I STARTED POSTING, LEAVING A BIG STICKER SO THE DISCUSSION ON AN ANONYMOUS MESSAGE BOARD CAN BE LIKE WE’RE IN PARLIAMENT OR WHATEVER
What are you even looking for? The most perfect artist to worship and you think the only way to do that is to tear down the frauds?
I think throwing stones like that stops people from being comfortable with posting any art and their own mistakes, but sure lets the idiots feel good for not posting things!

I think your fundamental understanding of art is poisoned if you think it’s so one dimensional that you should be good at drawing anything if you are good at drawing one thing. No one expects an architect to have equally as good portrait paintings, or a cartoonist to also jump into product design easily
Proko himself, isn’t a bad artist in things he focuses on. And he has improved his skills in the places he’s not good at. That is just giving credit where it’s due, not defending him because i like him.
That also doesn’t change the fact that his knowledge on anatomy and how he presented it was generally helpful for people. Whether if that information was important for the kind of artist you want to be is another story.

All this just shows us is how complex art can really be.
Anonymous No.7718030 [Report] >>7718039 >>7718045
>>7718020
That's a whole damn novel from someone that doesn't want to seriosuly debate lol.. why are you riding Proko's dick this hard anyway, just take L and move on. Find me an artist that drew a similar kangaroo or equivelant in a similar situation, ever. Didn't happen since you'd see it memed to death like Proko here
Anonymous No.7718039 [Report]
>>7718030
There's no way he isn't getting paid to defend Proko's fuckup this badly. Proko himself would admit he fucked up and shouldn't have been teaching drawing from imagination when he doesn't even know how. This is either his wife or a psychotic fanboy.
Anonymous No.7718045 [Report]
>>7718030
is this not exactly what you wanted?
Anonymous No.7718046 [Report]
>>7716491
But again, an understanding of the concept of shape design does not in and of itself result in appeal.
Anonymous No.7718052 [Report] >>7718085
>>7717624
Why would you think he's larping? It's like being surprised when a documentarian tries to write a comedy film, and the result is an unfunny turd that sounds like it was somebody compiling jokes plagiarized from Scholastic Book Fair jokebook. Being a good observational realism artist DOES NOT INHERENTLY EQUAL being a good creative artist, an artist with strong visualization skills, an artist who is good at stylization, a good graphic designer, an artist who has strong natural appeal, a good cartoonist, etc etc etc. It means he can do a good job of looking at and analyzing something in front of him, and then creating a fairly accurate artistic representation of it on a canvas by applying a variety of sighting and measuring techniques. That's it. It doesn't even mean he could redraw the exact same subject in the future after having spent hours on his observational drawing, once the reference or model is no longer in front of him.
I would honestly be surprised if Proko could even draw a full human figure from imagination much better than he could draw a kangaroo.
Anonymous No.7718085 [Report] >>7718097 >>7718370
>>7718052
The point isn't whether or not he's good at thing A or thing B. The point is that he's teaching something he can't actually do himself. And if you can't trust him to stay in his wheelhouse, there's no telling what else he's made massive mistakes with that you just haven't noticed.
Anonymous No.7718097 [Report]
>>7718085
since when was the the reason why people were dunking on him?
Anonymous No.7718177 [Report]
people have to defend this and the fetus because constructoids need to defend construction.
Anonymous No.7718210 [Report] >>7718213 >>7718629
If an NBA player misses a shot, it's no biggie. Happens all the time. If an NBA player misses the net by twenty feet, something ain't right.
Anonymous No.7718213 [Report]
>>7718210
Proko is not an NBA player though, he's a coach.
Anonymous No.7718270 [Report]
>>7715710 (OP)
this is avant garde high art
Anonymous No.7718285 [Report] >>7718290
>>7717659
No we don't you retarded tripfag
Anonymous No.7718290 [Report]
>>7718285
Anon.... don't be gay now.
Anonymous No.7718315 [Report]
>>7716352
>balloons over the gutters
pretty good besides this fuck up
Anonymous No.7718322 [Report]
>>7716343
Anonymous No.7718326 [Report]
>>7716352
Actually funny unlike proko.
Anonymous No.7718370 [Report] >>7718373
>>7718085
He mostly teaches observational drawing, as far as I know. I do not believe he himself teaches cartooning or comic art. You wouldn't go to an atelier and have a meltdown because Professor Vladmir wouldn't be able to teach you how to draw big titty anime girls.
Anonymous No.7718373 [Report]
>>7718370
The kangaroo was literally from a livestream focused on imaginative drawing. He said himself that he wrote the entire script and lesson plan, and them realized in the middle of drawing that he fucked up and couldn't actually do it.
Anonymous No.7718381 [Report] >>7718407 >>7718414 >>7718779
I swear some people on this board have an extremely misguided view of artistic skill. Like you legitimately think that after having spent thousands of hours copying Bridgman, drawing from photos, and studying anatomy and perspective, that you'll suddenly be able to draw good stylized art. There is very little carryover from drawing realistic human figures from life or photographs (aka 99% of what Proko studies/draws) to what he was drawing in OP, so I do not see why anybody would come to the conclusion that his comic should be better than it is as a result of drawing what he draws. If he had natural talent for drawing appealing cartoons, then sure, but he doesn't, so there's nothing in his history which should make you believe that he'd magically have gottengud at it.
Anonymous No.7718407 [Report] >>7718559 >>7718561 >>7718779
>>7718381
Well... yes, actually.

Fundamentals are called as such because they're universal skills that apply to nearly everything. If you have solid fundamentals, you should be able to draw some vague approximation of just about whatever you want. If you spend 10,000 hours practicing how to play blues, you don't suddenly forget what a chord progression is just because you switched to playing metal.
Anonymous No.7718414 [Report]
>>7718381
The funny thing is, he did study stylization, he used to be into animation. He made some 3D pool animation that won some kind award.
Anonymous No.7718415 [Report]
>>7716352
Proko btfo
Anonymous No.7718480 [Report]
>>7717898
KEKKK
Anonymous No.7718559 [Report]
>>7718407
yeah your perspective is fucked up
fundamentals are only small part of the recipe. thats your draftsmanship, not your creativity
learning good observation skills, perspective, anatomy, etc... do help you learn how to draw stuff in general, but if you never study how other artists use those fundies, then you never learn how to draw in a style. and you never develop your style unless you actually try to develop it

its like being a parent. it helps to read some books on philosophies and development on how to raise your kid. And its better to know that stuff than not. but you won't know how to be a good parent until you are raising your kid
Anonymous No.7718561 [Report] >>7718569
>>7718407
Fundies do not, will not ever make you automatically able to draw appealing, stylised art. Holy shit the absolute bullshit I read here sometimes
Anonymous No.7718569 [Report]
>>7718561
If you notice, that's not what I said
Anonymous No.7718629 [Report] >>7719320
>>7718210
this is more like an NBA player being asked to do a layup and he freezes up and after some thinking he starts kicking the ball like a soccer ball.
Anonymous No.7718635 [Report]
>>7718020
What the fuck is this?
>Replied to my comment about how I hate how you're moving the goal posts
>Say you aren't
>Proves that you are
>Bitch about how the conversation wasn't really about that, and demand that we talk about Proko's art skills instead
You can't be this lacking in self awareness.
I even agree with you generally about Proko and his abilities and all that, but my post was quite literally and obviously about how obnoxious you in particular are being, anon.
Even in a discussion about you moving the goal posts, you're moving the goal posts. You must be abysmal to talk to in real life.
Anonymous No.7718776 [Report]
>>7716395
laughed harder at this than at the proko comic, good shit
Anonymous No.7718779 [Report]
>>7718381
>>7718407
the thing is it seems to me Proko only focussed on a very narrow set of fundamentals (observational drawing, anatomy); if he included fundamentals like for example general construction drawing (the stuff Peter Han does) he would be a lot better at drawing anything.
Anonymous No.7718797 [Report] >>7718802 >>7719450
The bitter lesson of the Proko kangaroo and Proko comic is that there is no such thing as a general drawing ability. People can draw the things they've practiced drawing and a certain amount of things that are related to those things, but they never get to a point where they can just draw anything in any style.
Anonymous No.7718802 [Report] >>7719343
>>7718797
I don't know why that's even a surprise to anyone here.
Loomis' cartoons were mostly shit, just take a look at his nightmarish cartoon baby drawings, but most everyone agrees he was a talented artist and teacher.
Art and drawing is a very broad field, with many different skill sets and near infinite things to learn.
Anonymous No.7719320 [Report]
>>7718629
More like asking a professional NBA player to spin the basketball on his head and fingers like a Harlem Globetrotter
Anonymous No.7719343 [Report]
>>7718802
>I don't know why that's even a surprise to anyone here
Because a lot have fallen into the trap of thinking that studying Loomis, Bridgman, and copying photos and even other art will have 1:1 improvement carryover to their personal stylized drawings. Those sorts of activities should be viewed as, to continue sports analogies, weightlifting and stroke technique practice for swimmers - those fundamental exercises help, but your racing speed won't improve unless you just fucking dive off the starting block and swim laps as fast as you can. At some point you just need to devote a fuckton of time to drawing your own original shit the way you want to draw your own original shit.
There's that Chun-Li and Ryu art guy who was posted here recently, who has YouTube videos chronicling his art practice, where he seems to spend hours churning out studies, and doing full original works as progress checks. Somewhat unsurprisingly, his progress check pieces show nominal improvement, despite his continued studies. The problem is he is focusing too much on his studies in a vacuum, without practicing the process of coming up with an idea, planning out the idea, gathering references for the idea, drawing the idea, and finalizing the illustration. He would probably see more improvement if he spent an extended period of time treating studies as a warmup, and instead focusing on producing finished pieces every couple of days.
Anonymous No.7719450 [Report] >>7721778
>>7718797
>The bitter lesson of the Proko kangaroo and Proko comic is that there is no such thing as a general drawing ability.

If you watch the clip, it was more that he didn't know what he wanted to draw and his ego lead him to think that he could effortlessly make something without giving it any thought. I love how it looks like an aborted fetus though.
Anonymous No.7721693 [Report] >>7721696
Ngl i always thought that mindlessly grinding fundamentals would give me the powers to draw cartoons, what should i do to achieve this i have no talent then?
Anonymous No.7721696 [Report] >>7721741
>>7721693
You have to learn construction. Just about every cartoonist builds their characters from simple forms.
Anonymous No.7721741 [Report] >>7721747
>>7721696
Drawabox actually helped me with line confidence and ovals so yes i do feel like im improving
Anonymous No.7721747 [Report] >>7721764 >>7721890
>>7721741
Wow! line confidence and ovals! Kino! I'd pay for that!
Anonymous No.7721764 [Report]
>>7721747
yes, those two things alone will put you above proko.
Anonymous No.7721778 [Report] >>7724541
>>7719450
Didnt he want to be a cartoonist at some point in his career?
Anonymous No.7721853 [Report]
>>7716352
it's "homes" (the thing latinos say), not "Hoimes" (that's the british detective guy)
nice though
Anonymous No.7721890 [Report]
>>7721747
good thing DaB is free
Anonymous No.7724223 [Report]
>>7715710 (OP)
Anonymous No.7724541 [Report]
>>7721778
Animator. CalArts rejected him.