Thread 7726532

Is Berserk still an example of peak manga art nowadays? Personally, I think the art is not as impressive as it used to be.

>>7726532 (OP)
so many mangas now have less detail/more sketchiness for the sake of pushing chapters out. berserk still looks beautiful because it feels like someone cared a lot more

fuck that looks bad

>>7726532 (OP)
I fucking hate Berserk’s art. It’s so ugly.

>>7726532 (OP)
berserk is very high effort which makes it appealing because you can visually see the time that was put into it, but god is the approach to almost everything in that manga to just add more and more hatching n textures instead of having a coherent value scheme or any amount of interesting visual design

>>7726593
pym (post your manga)

It was always slop that appealed to normies who are easily impressed by cross-hatching

>>7726532 (OP)
Miura died in 2021. His assistants + Holyland mangaka have been running it for a while now.

>>7726634
Time is moving so fast that felt like 2023 when he died.

unironically dragon ball, because its a manga with movement and good paneling. berserk is mostly just detailed, but less of a manga. one piece is the worst of both worlds, it isnt artistic anymore and its cluttered with crap all over the pages, hard to figure out whats going on in the first place so much you dont even read it anymore, you just skim through it.

berserk isnt even on top of seinen regarding good art, theres many more, its just popular

>>7726646
>isnt even on top of seinen regarding good art
Please name them, anon.

>>7726655
vagabond

>>7726532 (OP)
>Zombie berserk posting

>>7726532 (OP)
I think Miura has shown that he can do excellent work, but he was always inconsistent. Sometimes his figures look quite stiff and with questionable anatomy that stands out because of it. But other times he was able draw 99% of other mangakas under the table. I think he liked sinking time into some panels more than others, particularly environmental vistas, high energy character movement and ugly monster reveals, or things related. He didn't seem to put as much dillogence into characters in repose unless they were particularly cute and vulnerable.
Was he the best techincal artist? The greatest at using composition and panneling? I'd say no, but je did show a lot of passion, a unique flavour and constantly improved his skill, even if the end result was uneven. Sad thing was how sterile it felt when he went digital, then he died just as he was coming to make use of it a little better.
>>7726597
>buzzword + buzzword
meaningless

It used to have so many amazing pages and panels. Maybe it's because I have gotten used to it, but all the hatching doesn't look good at all anymore. It's over the top.

>>7726532 (OP)
I don't know what it is, but Gaga's Berserk looks so "shiny". It is the overuse of screentones?

>>7726532 (OP)
Berserk was never an example of peak manga art. It was just edgy and the european-fantasy setting appealed to westerners

>>7726758
What do you recommend instead? Make pajeets white?

Younger generations don't know this but no one in the 90's thought berserk's art looked great. We appreciated it's amateurish almost "polished turd" charm as it fitted really well with it's dark atmosphere. Basically we saw berserk the same way young folks see attack on Titan today.
Back then we all agreed the god of manga was otomo (Akira).
Tastes change with time

>even Miura is bad now
Never change /ic/

>>7726788
>no one in the 90's thought berserk's art looked great
Yeah Miura had pretty wonky art back then, it was the conviction arc where he hit his stride... then lost it again switching to digital. I always hated how he drew Casca like a dumb bimbo.

>>7726634
Did he actually tell them how he wanted to story to go and end? Are they going to take it to completion?

>>7726812
overrated. if he didnt die, hed have been in jail for pedo shota shit on his pc eventually like galko mangaka and others. his non-berserk stuff is basically arrest worthy and you know he has worse on his harddrive. but his berserk stuff starts strong and got really fucking shit in his lolicon idolmaster delay days. most of his art has poor proportions and composition. the most memorable pages and designs are all stolen, too. just classical art pieces from actual masters he traces over or drops 1:1 on the page and because weebs are literally 65 iq drooling retards with no life, no education, no knowledge, they think the artist actually came up with this shit and is some amazing artist. his hatching is also very weak and often scribbly/does not conform to perspective or form or shape. just endless lines for sake of it and hope no one notices.

>>7726788
Yep, part of the charm early on was how rough it was. He definitely became more skilled from Golden Age onward tho.
His paneling and some of the spreads are incredible too, hill of swords is up there in there in terms of paneling and fight choregraphy, and he made up for this skill gap with awesome monster designs, worldbuilding, and writing.
There are mangaka now who can match one or two of the things Miura excelled at, but no one has been able to do as much as Miura.

>>7726758
>>7726826
I feel like Gaga doesn't shade things dark enough in some scenes and opts to just lay down screen tones that make things blend together sometimes.
I think this has been a problem since around Fantasia. I feel like the use of multiple tones and shading makes things look noisy compared to something like Conviction.
>>7726746 Here there a lot more restraint on shading and the tones are dark and used to make Skull Knight stand out.
I don't think Gaga's quality is worse than when Miura was doing it digital, but maybe things would read better if the outlines were a little bolder and toning down the tones.

>>7726532 (OP)
>still an example of peak manga art
It never was. It's detailed, yes, but it's not extremely well drawn. There are much better manga artists. Berserk just appeals to normies because it's equally immature.

>>7726934
more mature than sol everyday shit and madoka

>>7726532 (OP)
>Zoomer retard thinks he's entitled to have an opinion
I think you should hang yourself, kid

>>7727001
You don't need to reply to that nerd, he hasn't read Berserk and he thinks he's being cool being a contrarian.

The older pages didn't go anywhere y'know.

>>7726880
>hed have been in jail for pedo shota shit on his pc[...] his non-berserk stuff is basically arrest worthy
Not even remotely. Isn't that obviously from the way, y'know, he drew the story and it was published and he was completely fine?
You realize he lived in the country where it isn't illegal at all to draw children getting fucked in every hole imaginable. His stuff is all pretty softcore as far as lolicon stuff goes. So no, he was never in any legal danger.

>>7726734
i'm sure you've drawn something that looks amazing, and then other days you've drawn pure shit, it happens to anyone, the difference between us and Miura is that he had to actually finish his work and send it off to be printed.

>>7726532 (OP)
mogs me

>>7726532 (OP)
it was never as good artistically as the best manga, people just regarded it higher than it objectively was due to content
that said, it's probably in top 3% of contemporary manga anyway

>>7726532 (OP)
Berserk is the embodiment of a sperg too passionate for his own good. Was too autistic and obsessed with perfectionism that he just never produced anything from getting burnt out and died without completing a series that would've been significantly better if it ended back in the 90s. Artwork is still really good.

Post-Miura Berserk is so dead that this thread was the reason I found out it got a new chapter 9 days ago. This dude Guts has only uttered ONE (1) fucking word since 2023

>>7726532 (OP)
This is what weebs worship? Good fucking God our culture is fucked.

>>7726861
Yes but Miura Berserk was already kinda whack, I think he was losing his eyesight.

>https://www.imdb.com/news/ni64598747/

>Mori was the only one who knew the ending of Berserk. This is why he collaborated with Studio Gaga, which was the manga production studio of Berserk. Together, they are now working on bringing Berserk to fruition with the help of the ending that was originally planned by Miura before he passed away.

>Kentaro Miura was Convinced to Give Berserk a Happy Ending Because He Couldn’t “let such a long grim story end with a grim ending”

anyways rip in peace, i was really looking forward to see his new shota manga

>>7731543
I was looking forward to his mecha stuff personally

You gotta love the fact that the people that talk the most shit about art are also the ones that can't draw for shit either.

>>7726597
I remember coming onto this site as a kid decades ago and seeing people throw around berserk memes. Just because it's retro and being rediscovered by the new gen and that pisses you off because it reminds you of the passage of time doesn't mean it was always normie fodder. 4chan culture as a whole is being repurposed by the newgen, does that mean Patrick Bateman was always cringe? That looksmaxxing wasn't a hilarious and retarded meme? Give me a break

>>7731413
Is everything that has happened since Miura's death part of the story he had planned or are they making shit up?