Thread 7731447

If you are an /int/ermediate or /beg/inner in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
DO NOT REPLY to crabs, nodraws, talent debates, howies and instead focus on posted works!

>STICKY:
Completed: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vm4IJpq0Mbvb-Krl5_mJ_m6TsC_qjsaN/view
New collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
w/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/
Hardcore: https://hackmd.io/7k0XRnIQR6SValR77TDfZw?view

>WHERE to get study materials
annas-archive.org
>>>/ic/artbook
>>>/ic/video

>Want to practice figures?
quickposes.com
sketchdaily.net
characterdesigns.com
lovelifedrawing.com
posemy.art
line-of-action.com

>PYW and give your feedback
What can be improved?
Are there any resources videos or books you'd recommend to them?
Maybe a redline or a technique, be specific.
Try to reply to someone as you post your own work.

>Cool teachers
Glenn Vilppu
Michael Hampton
Steve Huston
Brent Eviston
Marco Bucci
Andrew Loomis
George Bridgman
Hikaru Hayashi

>Cool books
Keys To Drawing
Drawing With the Right Side of the Brain
How To Draw Comics the Marvel Way
The Art and Science of Drawing
Framed Perspective
Figure Drawing For All It's Worth
The Complete Guide to Drawing From Life
Previous: >>7728330

errmm why did you skip my drawing

>>7731447 (OP)
tfw didn't make it this time

more hampton studies
some of these felt hard to read

improved on the faggot. will fix bottom face tomorrow.
>>7731464
its better with a ruler but the perspective is still off. i feel sorry for tradfags, tfw no perspective rulers

>>7731475
i also drew exactly one (1) good face today. seems faces are slowly improving. there's some real turds in here tho

How's abs?

>>7731475

Very nice will its leave sketch phase?

>>7731475
Yeah, I know. I’m drawing my dresser and it’s pretty damn hard to get the angle right. I’ll keep posting attempts

from micro beta >>7723137 to hung chad

>>7731478
it will leave sketch phase.
i never skip on rendering cute (gay) men.
also for abs, pic rel.
>>7731483
god speed anon, dont let the dresser btfo you

>>7731484
glad to see you changed his tiny pp into a humongous one

>>7731485

>by choice?

you can say so

>bb to high

what?

-

I don know if to go with somewhat visible cubes or more "pillow"-like

>>7731496
Bb was belly button
Couldnt be arsed to write it out. My bad
Either or is fine, depends if you want her more soft or more muscular.
I draw dudes so in afraid i cant help you more on womens anatomy

>>7731464
Very ehh attempt but happy to get more details

Can I get a critique? I've picked up drawing from a long time and I often get drawing blindness

tried sitting outside drawing things I could see
considering this is after a migraine and with glasses that are slightly broken, it's pretty crap
especially bc I didn't get closer to stuff I was drawing and just squinted and tried messing with my frames to see better
some of it looks nice tho idk

tried drawing a quick female character before bath, but didn't really have an idea for her beforehand so it looks weird lol
still I think she's definitely female compared to my usual male characters

>>7731521
left would be hot as a guy, I like the muscles and such. crotch looks too flat and the chest is too large but that's just my preference

>>7731533
getting worse

>>7731541
everybody has their on and off days
at least I had some fun drawing

Rubix cube

Crits on this so far?

Did I fuck up by adding the green? I feel like it looks too arts and craftsy now

>>7731478
They look good, but not too feminine. Study Paul Richer

>>7731477
Very Nice lines and style

>>7731521
Give the shoes and the laces more form, make the fur look more dynamic (study some from life), emphasize the rib cage shape more, and flatten the breasts along the chest

>>7731557
>>7731560
>>7731564
>>7731566
>beg

Resuming work on this piece with the friend, I drew all of ralsei (except the sketch), but I used the wrong pen size, hopefully it does fuck everything up too much.

>>7731447 (OP)
I made it for the first time...
Finished. I want to keep trying to get better

Got inspiration from the apple dude last thread to do some fruit instead of black and white studies.

>>7731589
Great work. I just think it looks kind of flat around the left side of the cherries, where the lighter reds are. I think you should focus on blending to achieve a specific value as opposed to just placing the color

there is really a lot you can practice with just lines.
>splitting a page in half, then quartering it, and so on until you fill the page with as many lines as possible without them touching.
>drawing a line between two dots, but with your eyes closed. hard mode: make it a wave.
>drawing over a line but with variations on speed and pressure. i feel kind of dumb for trying to only do it fast initially.

total beginner, but these have been helpful. also had some luck drawing circles with my eyes closed. i learned from piano that a lot of your spatial awareness happens in your brain, sometimes your eyes can even get in the way. it helps you pay more attention to the muscles in your hand and arm.

>>7731590
Thanks. By flat you mean the edges don't pop out? might be because there's no background at all on what I did. I tried to visualize the values by placing those colors on the palette.

>>7731595
Yeah, it kind of begins to lose its form.

>>7731598
Then yeah I see what you mean. I like it a little but get how it seems like they float in space or don't exist, maybe I should pick fruit in a table bowl next time.

But It was mainly to see how much I could trust my eyes to detect what color value to use. Also just noticed some green reflection on the right cherry I missed, rip.

Unbalanced

going through How To Draw Comics The Marvel Way and im having a lot of fun.

>>7731530
nice foot.

I redid the Hat Kid drawing. What do you guys think?

>>7731634
It's cute, maybe try using vector layers for your lines? I'm glad you are making your guide lines invisible though

>>7731580

only susie left, then bg

>>7731638
Is there a tutorial for how to do that on FireAlpaca?

>>7731588
Looks good. How long do these usually take to make?

>>7731661
Thank you, maybe around 6-8 hours? I usually work over several days so I'm not really sure. I redraw the sketch 3-4 times which takes a while

It's getting harder and harder to demoralize anons because the weak ones all leave. Tips?

how many shapes should I break things down into?

>>7731681
Looking at the neck flaps id say the fridge form is enough? I dunno though I barely do heads.

>>7731681
is that Jim Sterling

Fixed up the drawing a little.

>>7731462
small and very simple animation

>>7731689
website says it's from 2006, don't think he existed then

>>7731696
really? he looks older than 19

>>7731545
>at least I had some fun drawing
based

>>7731641
That goatboi is looking breedable

>>7731621
>and im having a lot of fun.
Also Based

I don't know how I'm going to replicate this again.

What do I do if I can't attach files here

>>7731714
why can't you attatch files?

>>7731714
Here you go

>>7731716
Campus wifi, they probably blacklist this site
>>7731717
I don't see any of that

>>7731718
use your phone?

>>7731718
My bad, was a 4chan X feature apparently.

>>7731720
It’s just a hassle. Thanks.
I don’t know where I’m at because I don’t trust myself to judge

This isn’t working I have no tenants I’m going to KYS

>>7731741
are you a landlord?

>>7731725
Head looks pretty decent if you were just going for the pose and not capturing likeness. You've clearly done some good head and loomis study. For the full body pose though, there's too much here to succinctly list, but the big takeaways are the torso is way too long and the hands/feet have bad proportions and perspective, the feet especially.

All these mistakes can be fixed by drawing what you see instead of what you think you see.

The hand for example, the ref only has 3 fingers visible with the fourth barely peeking through at a steep angle and their base is mostly obscured by the hand, but you just threw 4 equally sized fingers next to each other and called it a day because that's how you think hands look, rather than capturing how that hand actually looks.

Keep it up, it was a solid attempt at an ambitious pose. Maybe focus on the major forms and nailing their proportions before moving onto clothing/surface details on the next one.

upward facing heads are so unappealing
maybe i should simply not draw them

sheet

Sheet

>>7731769
Hey buddy I think you got the wrong thread... /lsg/ is two blocks down.

>>7731754
Thank you. What did you mean by going for the pose and not capturing likeness?

Need to stop being a lazy ass

>>7731667
Just laugh at russian schizo when he posts and you'll get funny reactions

>>7731777
You captured the proportions and perspective of the head pretty well, but the face does not recognizably match that person. Like, if you showed me a dozen heads of random bald guys and just the drawing without the reference image, I would not be able to pair the face with the drawing. That's what it means to 'capture likeness'.

Capturing likeness is probably the hardest thing to do as an artist since our brains are designed to recognize faces, and it requires very precise proportions and spacing of facial features to pull off. It's an order of magnitude more difficult than drawing the rest of the body, so I wouldn't worry about that bit for now. A believable head is good enough while you get the hang of drawing the rest of the body.

Anyone out there who can give me some guidance?

I've been learning/practicing pixel art for almost two years (about 2/3 self-taught or my own practice, 1/3 with the support of a course or video), but beyond continuing to practice (or make things), I don't really know which path to take and how

This is a set I was working on (RPG-themed + indie games) until I started to doubt whether I was using my time well to improve my level, or if I was just doing things

I was given the advice to practice anatomy (and I've done some related exercises these days), but I also don't know if they're good or not.

WIP

A friend asked me to draw Umaru Chan, I will later add the small version of her playing beside

I'm just gonna put this here.

The skirt was impossible, drew the legs separate from the upper body and I think they ended up being a different perspective. It only became clear when I tried to connect them. Oh well, it was a learning experience

>>7731805
hard to say without knowing what your goal is

>>7731805
Cool mockups. Like the other anon said, if we don't know where you'er going it's tough to say whether you are on the right path.
In any case, read Pixel Logic if you haven't, it's a must.

>>7731783
Thanks anon, I'll keep that in mind. I've been here since 2008. I would guess that 5-10% of all threads on /ic/ in the last 17 years have been mine. It used to be piss easy to demoralize posters. I would just assign every drawing a score out of 100 or post Akiane pics or something and farm tons of tasty seethe. No longer. The posters here are cold as ice.

>>7731805
Very cool. Know very little about pixelart myself (other than being an appreciator of it) but this guys tutorials might be worth taking a look at if you haven't already. https://x.com/cyangmou

>>7731899
you gotta go with the times old man, if you want to make people seethe do it more subtle and throw in zoomer terms. we boomers have to adapt

hi /beg/gars. i took a two year “sabbatical” from drawing (i was lazy). this question probably gets asked often but before i dropped off, i was making good progress. i think my skills obviously degraded during that time but do i just return to the studies i was doing before (medsmap & morpho studies) or is that too advanced now by this point? would it negatively affect my skills in a way?

>>7731918
Don’t think too hard about it, just go back to what you were doing.

>>7731909
Yeah, part of the problem is that Gen Z is too good at picking up bait. They were raised on the Internet, so they can sense subtle hints of trolling. Boomers are the easiest to troll. They just get so worked up.

>>7731946
look up ragebaiting and just do that. its the new trolling

>>7731667
credit where credit is due the local schizo woman never actually left despite everyone's best efforts

8 hours in, still trying to get a decent sketch. I should KMS shouldn’t I

>>7731860
Hope you all are doing good, anons. Thanks for the ref. It was a challange to draw. I got lazy after spending too much time on the crossbow, but overall it turned out okay, I think. I still need to work on likeness a bit more. For now, I should get back to studying feet.
>>7731705
Just keep at it, and you'll figure it out soon enough.
>>7731589
I'm jealous of people that can paint like that. It looks juicy.
>>7731805
I'm a huge fan of pixel art, and yours is very good. I've tried it a couple of times by now, and I'm too impatient for it. Nice job.

First lewd

>>7731447 (OP)
you didnt put mine in the OP
fuck you cunt

>>7731967
Didn't you already post this in the previous thread? Have you made something else since?

>>7731977
thats a good thing

is it too feminine? stuck in the shoulders + chest
>>7731849
this is cute
>>7731843
nice perspective, if i had to crit anything she has a thick neck, small ribcage and the fingers are little short and thick. nitpicking tho

You’re all just crabs and niggers.

>>7731994
It's gonna be alright, buddy. Get it out of ya.

>>7731983
blessing in disguise really

>>7731859
an attempt was made

>>7732035
so many guidelines and its still fucked

>>7732035
Don't listen to the crab, anon. Good job on measuring, the proportions are pretty nice.
Worth refining further imo.

Didn’t draw for a month and fell back to zero…

>>7732056
I don’t think it’s that bad outside of the face. I mean, the sense of space and volume is lacking, but hey it’s the /beg/ thread

some warm up slop

>>7732098
That's not how it works

>>7732098
>I haven't ridden a bike in a month and now I keep falling over on it.

>>7732126
i like the bottom right

>>7731987
meh

Why do some people recommend drawing with a pen, instead of pencil?
They say that it actually forces you to learn by accepting your mistakes instead of erasing them. However, how are you supposed to do construction if you can't later erase it?
Am I overthinking it?

>>7732144
hapy little accidents

>>7732144
sorry chud but construction is a begtrap

>>7732144
so called "experts" when I just don't erase anything with my pencil

>>7732144
you can try doing loose construction under your pen (I recently started doing this a few weeks ago), I started drawing two boxes and some lines to define the location of where I want things and then go in pen, you can see I forgot to erase some of it. then draw with pen on top I guess

>>7732144
>Why do some people recommend drawing with a pen
To increase confidence in your lines.
>However, how are you supposed to do construction if you can't later erase it?
You can make some diagrams on the side to figure out proportions, forms (construction), etc. Peter Han teaches this in his dynamic sketching videos.

testing brushes

>>7732144
You can do some very faint lines if you angle the pen correctly and press very lightly. But you can also just plan the construction in your head.
I think it's a completely different thing from pencil drawing and if you plan on drawing with pencil primarily, you should see it more as an exercise, instead of always drawing with pen. It can help you leanr line confidence, but also to not draw without a plan.

>>7731963
Thanks man, trying to put some effort into using and understanding how the color square works. Shapes aren't 1:1 with the ref since I was too focused on doing the colors, lesson learned for next time I suppose.

>hmm, how do I avoid messing up my proportions? there has to be something with gesture or guidelines or measuring that I'm missing
>check how god tier artist with 999999999 completed figure drawings does it
https://www.youtube.com/live/1ksJ1kHYpzQ?si=GYRP4EKEVPs3nu9q&t=376
>"just keep erasing until you get it right lol"
I give up

>>7732187
>"just keep erasing until you get it right lol"
Damn, my role model. I love scribbling shit all over the place and then use the delete tool to find usable lines.

today i drew

can someone help me with the head im pretty sure the placement is off

>>7732142
It's pretty cute. It feels like there's something fucky with how torso aligns with the pelvis but maybe I'm imagining it.

how do I learn to see shapes

Is this good practice to be doing every day

Today’s life drawings so far

>>7732197
thanks. yes, the perspective is fucked, hes basically twisting his upper body a whole lot. but i couldnt be arsed to fix it. im lazy sometimes

>>7732187
>god tier artist
It's nice as far as tranime goes but come on, anon.

>>7732187
he even said "i dont think its good to be correcting this much" in japanese. so even he thinks its not good.
even professionals draw bad drawings sometimes. get over it.

>>7732187
There's only so many times I can erase without wasting a shit ton of time and ruining my paper

anyone with adhd here? How do i cope?
I am shit at drawing and i know it will take many months before i can even draw something, but my adhd makes me lose interest despite me trying this for years(not really... i never get past 1 month)

>>7732232
I guess it depends on your brand of adhd. I have adhd too, but once I start something, I have no problem doing it for an hour or two straight. The issue I have is tricking myself into starting it. Right now my strategy is to 'start' something every day, usually a study that I don't have to think too hard about. The fewer barriers to starting the better. When I get bored with whatever I'm focusing on: anatomy, form, gesture, etc, I just move onto something else rather than force myself to grind something I'm tired of. The nice thing about drawing is there is basically infinite things to study.

Doing the final linework is so damn boring. I don't think I'll ever get used to.

>>7732238
I have to use pomodoro with 20 minutes sessions cause my brain starts getting foggy and my mind starts consistently roaming to something else. I guess innatentive? I never got the diagnostic(i know i aint gonna have the bucks for the treatment) but seriously, i fit literally every symptom.

i finally drew a good face first try. no longer am i on the same level as russian permabeg schizo. i have graduated pre-begness. thank god.
>>7732241
i really enjoy doing linework, have you tried using another pen or experimenting with hatching/lineweight/etc? its really fun to me, then again im autistic so the repetitive nature of it might be what draws me in

>>7732242
If starting isn't the problem, but you're actually having trouble keeping your focus on it, it's probably a problem with not having clear goals. If the only thing motivating you to draw is that you find the vague notion of being good at drawing appealing, then I think most people would pretty quickly give up.

The thing that motivates me is that I have very clear short and long term goals and know the steps that it takes to reach them. Let's say, for example, you want to make an animation. To make an animation, you need to know how to animate. To learn how to animate, you need to know how to draw. To know how to draw, you need to understand anatomy, form, gesture, value, and basic design principles. You continue to break the long term goal into smaller and smaller steps towards your goal until it's small enough that it's a concrete step you can take and make meaningful progress towards in a single session. At that point, it becomes a lot easier to convince yourself to spend an hour or two studying hands because you can see exactly how it fits into the bigger picture and your goals.

If you still can't get yourself to do it, then I don't know what to tell you other than you're ngmi.

>>7732244
I just hate doing precise lines. I feel so restricted doing them. I prefer to make a mess when drawing. Some other time I'm gonna try drawing that way and just clean everything up with an eraser later.

>>7732254
well the thing is you dont have to make precise lines when doing line art. some people just have a messier style and thats fine. mangaka also dont make every line perfect, its better to have it a little messier

My feelings for this character have waned and now I must find a new muse

>>7731987
Thanks, adjusted the neck and torso slightly. Also it's a dude (Iruma Suzuki)

>>7732254
Then make messy lines?

any advice from those of you who have mastered drawing more complex forms? It takes me so long just to cut wedges out and bevel the cubes. I just can't believe anyone can do this convincingly and at a reasonable speed without mapping things out but then there's kim jung gi. How can I learn this more quickly and get even slightly closer to his level? I know it takes time and repetition but at this rate it's going to take me 20+ years at least.

>>7732258
>Iruma Suzuki
thank you for telling me about this glorious twink boy
also not quite what i had in mind, i tried to draw it, but its hard to get the perspective right without having the reference. this is how far i got, but even i think i didn't get it quite right.
also his left (our right) arm is really awkward, might be better to just hide that behind the body

>>7732273
Yeah he's extremely cute
I just based it on a random pose I found on pinterest

>>7732272
Well, this is the beg/int thread, so probably nobody here. The big question I have is why that's important to you unless you're an aspiring to one day be a photocopier. At the end of the day, drawing isn't really about being accurate, it's about being believable. Accuracy is a component of that, but only to a certain extent.

>>7732273
>literally changed nothing

thoughts?

Who made her angy? And how did I do on the expression?

I'm /beg/ging (you) for attention

>>7732278
ah okay that helps. thanks. see revised version
thats a hard pose to draw
>>7732280
i did make changes, if you cant see them, thats on you.

>>7732272
Sadly there is no faster way. Check out Robertson "How to draw" for all the tricks, but if you want to have precision you would need to do it for years before you would be able to freehand stuff. Thankfully if you don't need precision you would need just half a year to a year to get passable.

>>7732221
Better than any of the other trash who makes art books/tutorials

>>7732293
>>7732294
>>7732296
The colors are nice and sovl is there, but yeah, you still need a lot of work on your drawing skills.

>>7732193
follow the spine and figure it out. follow the spine from the back

second face that isnt terrible.
im on fire today

>>7732287
Angry?

2-ish hours, hand hurtie

>>7732333
why his pp so small?
>>7732193
im not sure either but if you draw the traps maybe you can figure out a better placement than i did

>>7732293
>>7732294
>>7732296
These look cool as hell.

>>7732335
>why his pp so small?
how big was your pp when you were a shota

>>7732337
>your pp
a-anon i..

>>7732333
Holy kek, saved
>>7732335
Small and feminine just like Iruma as a whole

>>7732338
>women dont know your dick isnt full size when youre young
explains the "monster dong shota" posts ive been seeing

>>7732341
>monster dong shota
i could've lived my life without knowing this existed.. great.
>>women dont know your dick isnt full size when youre young
no no i know. i just dont know the full length of it (pun intended)

>>7732342
wow that looks good , miles better than what i attempted. nice job anon

>>7731705
Hey guys, I'm the one who drew this. Where should I go from here? Should I try learning figure drawing? I'm not sure what to do.

>>7732333
Please give him a massiev shota cock.

another pre-bath drawing
I quite like this one desu, need tentacle bf

>>7732342
thanks king

>>7732279
>>7732303
Thank you for the reply anons. I guess I don't need to be 100% perfect, it's just I'm hopeless at free-handing even just basic objects that I feel are kind of essential for character drawing like headphones and glasses and stuff. maybe I'm just overestimating how often my favourite artists freehand that stuff too, idk

Can someone help me with shaping Hat Kid's head? I can't seem to get it down.

>>7732296
>>7732294
>>7732293
significant improvement design-wise compared to your older stuff.

You have a style, great colors, good designs, good, good, good.
But how about getting good at drawing? Some fundies here and there and you'll be master.

>>7732329
hot

>>7732329
kek

>>7732347
alright but im tired of you so youre taking the cock

>>7732343
Riley from Pixar's Inside Out having photos circulated in her school showing off her dirty feet getting fucked by a dog is not only a thing, but a series by one online Artist.
Personally I hate close ups of dirty feet though.
Point is, uh... r34 is more or less true.

>>7732333
MOOOOOOOOOOOOODS

>>7732399
nigga its a squiggly line calm your tits

>>7732018
>>7732033
Thanks for the help, gave me the motivation to try and fix it!

Went a bit overboard with not following the exercise but I had fun and I'm happy with the result so all good I guess.
Please tell me what you think

Finished another Hat Kid drawing. Am I getting shittier?

>>7732453
No

Cropped version

>>7732453
>>7732456
That's finished?
Anyway, you should learn about line confidence and get rid of the ugly scratchy lines

>>7732461
kek'd