Thread 7731937

Why You Should Copy Anime:
https://i.imgur.com/zNDsyF0.jpg
Naoki Saito: https://youtu.be/8jsZGeaWkhE?si=6HZIvG9Bx3y9qoHs&t=12
AnimeShijuku: https://twitter.com/animesijyuku/status/1717415459778347358
Krenz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbKqIJcIUCw

**Strive for quantity AND quality.**

Anime Studying:
>Copy anime references exactly and draw them from memory. Use illustrations, screenshots, anime figures, 3D models, etc.
>Don’t copy recklessly. Use construction, color theory, and other fundamental concepts to rehearse a drawing process that you can later easily manipulate for original artwork.
>Post all of your anime studies. Post even when you’re told not to. Create an art community that actually draws and improves together instead of just talking about it.
>Number your attempts and link to your previous posts.
>Critiquers should lead by example by posting their studies.

General Anime Style Discussion:
>Questions about achieving certain styles/techniques/compositions etc.
>Drawing methods, study habits, resources, tutorials, tools, software, etc
>Be specific and try to post a sample of your study attempts before asking for help.

**Draw copies from good anime styled references to mindfully up our mileage, internalize appealing aesthetics, and learn from each other’s processes and knowledge.**

Recommended Resources:
https://pastebin.com/Yz2scAEc

/mmg/ - Manga Making General:
>>>/ic/mmg

Previous Thread:
>>7684653

>bargue :-/
>bargue, chink :-O

>>7730883
Very small changes can have significant effects on the impression given. The bottom head for example looks like the eyes are turned downward, but the reference eyes are looking forward. Mostly it's because of the difference in eye shape, but I suspect the accumulation of many small differences over the whole face are contributing.
I will focus on anatomy first before continuing. I think I would have learned twice as much if I understood everything I was copying.

>>7731937 (OP)
Yurine is a shit.

There was an attempt.
I didn't realize the reference was AI until I started copying it but it is still better than me so I learned a few things anyway.

>>7732786
>I didn't realize the reference was AI
we've reached the end

>>7732787
You will never compete with Ai. Ai just learned to crawl, soon it will be in a full sprint. If you aren't drawing because you enjoy it, you aren't going to make it.

>>7732787
It's more that I wasn't paying attention to detail until I started drawing and then I just decided to continue anyway because of the sunk cost fallacy.

>>7732789
Good morning saar!

>>7732799
Good morning shitter in denial.

>>7732801
Good saar, two more weeks. India will make drawing anime like in Japan guaranteed saar.

>>7732848
But Ai is already better than you. No need to wait.

>>7732850
It's not, less there would be no need to scrape my data and sell it or the dying need to access my brain. Glowies and techies are boiling excrement out their ears 24/7 and this simple fact.

>>7731959
lel

>>7732789
I'd disagree. Ai is free to use. I hate people so Ai will allow people to create their own mistakes. It only benefits a few select people as a crutch. People like Sam Altman want you to believe that Ai is important and that it'll change your life for the better. Denying the fact these guys haven't fucked their wives in years. Ai will never replace a skilled human.

>>7732850
Good morning saar, please pay for anime commission. Really indisitinguishable from Japan original saar! Good quality for your value!

>>7732786
It does look like AI shit. Some retarded scamming "artists" think they can get away with tracing slop, but you can never take away the slop look from slop.

Asg has fallen, grim....

>>7733306
Then post something. The Ai threads are full of art.

>>7732416
Nice studies anon! Please do more Araragi or other monogatari series character studies. It's always great to see more of art of that aesthetic, it's just so peak...

Anime is AI food, a waste of time.

Her beauty will remain in our heart forever

>>7732786
AInime thpdd

prob random, but does anyone know if the aritst __meshigaumai came back under a new handle or something? i keep seeing his stuff pop up on pinterest

>>7733722
Thank you, I will definitely come back to it after I learn some fundamentals or whenever I have extra time.
>It's always great to see more of art of that aesthetic, it's just so peak...
Can you put into words what makes it so good? I think it would be ideal to draw while focusing on what makes it appealing, but I can't seem to pinpoint why I like it.

Trying to motivate myself into drawing again. Is it just me that started well in digital but now is sucking to finish everything there nowadays? I mean, I feel like something changed that made my process worse in digital with time instead of improving.
>>7733743
The Final layer not being the final is funny lol.

>>7734889
My main theory is that I'm not getting the hold of digital pen anymore. It feels too big since I played with trad and it seems like I can't see well in the screen anymore, idk.

No idea what the concept for this was except tits

>>7731937 (OP)
Asked in /mmg/ and figured I'd ask here as well.
What is the "fun with a pencil" book of anime/manga drawing?

>>7735342
pretty much the same books as you'll see recommended in general, well, instead of fun with a pencil, figure drawing for all its worth is the loomis book basically every jap artist has on their bookshelf.

>>7735490
original

>>7734889
I started with pen tablet, moved to screen tablet and returned to pen tablet because I couldn't get used to the pen on screen feeling. Might be fixable with time but since some pros still prefer a pen tablet or use both there might be differences in comfort between them.

can you queers murder copefag already

>>7731937 (OP)
Recent study. Critque and advise?

>>7734890
Trad is chad.

/thread

>>7734889
Just focus on fun for a bit. Not everything is about improovment. You'll improve by by default just by drawing more having fun imo.

>>7735393
Lying, conniving people giving bogus interview tips.

Oh wow my shitty Louise study reached OP image

>>7736606
good taste earns it

>>7735490
I'm realizing that I should have pushed the contrast a lot more to match the original.

>>7736129
Looks good anon.
To me the okarun looks a little too wide, this could also be a stylistic choice and I don't think it looks bad by any means.

Seeking advice cause lsg is too busy bickering

>>7731937 (OP)
The murata one is fucking epic, kudos to whoever drew it. NO IM NOT A PDFILE NOOOOOO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>7736703
I think the right eye is a little too big and could maybe be more central. I would move the ear lower, generally the ear should be below the eye line unless the head is angled downwards. Moving the ear lower can also make a character look cuter. I think the mouth could be narrower.
This is a personal preference but I would also make the chin sharper with a curve for the cheek.
Other than that I think it is decent. I actually like the way you drew the hair even if it doesn't follow what you would usually see in the "anime style"

>>7736736
Thank you anon.

2 different artstyle

>>7736736
Amazing just how much of a difference small changes make. Thanks again anon

>>7735393
Loomis looms over the planet...

>>7737185
That's pretty good congrats anon

>>7736703
try drawing highly detailed floors

>>7735342
>What is the "fun with a pencil" book of anime/manga drawing?
hitokaku

Any artists you like who stream/record their work occasionally?

I'm pretty happy with this, it scratched my animu itch.

>>7731937 (OP)
1996-2008

>>7739776
https://www.youtube.com/@nekojira425
https://www.youtube.com/@がわこ
https://www.youtube.com/@はいむらきよたか-s4i (toaru no index artist)
https://www.youtube.com/@leviathan0902
https://www.youtube.com/@SUZUHIRAChannel
https://www.youtube.com/@HxxG
https://www.youtube.com/@yuzunahiyo9681
https://www.youtube.com/@shareillustrations
and many more

I heckin love anime

>>7741615
>no replies to this in two days
I'm gonna assume this isn't good enough for /asg/
>>7743969
I think this is very nice. the texture feels very physical and traditional. the proportions are good too,I really like it!

>>7744803
No, it's really good. It's just that /asg/ is dead. Is one the reference and one your own, or did you draw both?

>>7744814
the left is the reference, the right side is my attempt.

My attempt at an original pose

>>7745294
blog?

>>7745294
A little wonky but it coulda been worse.
I really like the detailing on the fur

>>7745294
You were able to capture Marin's resemblance well enough that I can tell this is supposed to be her, which is good, but her anatomy needs more work. Marin should have a fuller figure: her waist shouldn't taper that exaggeratedly, and her thighs should be significantly thicker. In addition, her breasts should be smaller. Another thing that could be improved is her hair. Marin's hair isn't fluffy, jagged, and frayed; it's straight and smooth. Try using shots from the anime as references. Picrel is from here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIaaWSaGYfw

>>7745837
@insouziant on twit

20 minute study attempt

dont forget to join the anime general study server!!!
https://discord.gg/3bwdfRk

>>7745294
The hips need to be wider than the shoulders
>but muh asian body
then just make them slightly bigger than the shoulder or just as wide like >>7745907
women with no hips are a sad sight.

>>7746359
sexo simple as

>>7742306
Appreciate the response, I didn't realize someone had responded for a while.

I don't know what to draw with these horses :( help

>>7741615
very nice. I can't decide which style I like more.

How do you do tiny white details in black like the white lines in the hair in this pic when drawing trad?

>>7750881
Forgot pic

>>7750881
They make whiteout pens

There was a book about drawing breasts on e-hentai that I remember being pretty alright, anyone have the link to it? My dumbass forgot to bookmark or download it.

>>7752914
https://exhentai.org/?f_search=other%3A%22how+to%24%22+oppai

i can't ever settle on noses that i like. can you post examples of noses that you like

>>7752975
you must look within anon,
you need only ask the man in the mirror.
be not the artist that wants to draw what others want..
be the artist that draws what the artist wants.

>>7752975
almost nothing in anime can just be lifted from a different style without concern for ruining cohesion.
>can you post examples of noses that you like
any good example you could pick does noses that way for a good reason that inter-depends on everything else in the style.

>>7753157
Pgood

wtf are these lines even supposed to be? the student obviously needs to study head anatomy to achieve this.
he didn’t teach anything to the beginner, he’s just using a guide that he already knows how to use to fix the drawing.
he is fixing not teaching.

Tried to make something original

>>7754388
source with timestamp?
>anatomy
what does it mean to learn "head anatomy" if not drawing proper heads in the style?

>>7754397
very booba quite nice

>>7750881
>>7750882
good pen control. you can either start light hatching and go denser as you reach the blacks, or you start with black block in and feather outwards to make a gradation

>>7754397
where can i masturbate to more of your work?

>>7754388
the parallel lines are for the form of the face, with the arrows giving indication for eye direction. The other line is where the cheek ends and the eye socket begins.

For an anime style face, the eyes are basically flat projected over the face like a piece of tape. The anime face is much flatter than you think in 3D space, it only really became apparent to me after looking at game models to see how they create the form.

im proud of my progress this year. thanks for all the advice /asg/

>>7755382
>For an anime style face, the eyes are basically flat projected over the face like a piece of tape.

>>7755428
I'm happy to be proven wrong by a genius artist like you anon but I'm not sure how else you would think of the eyes.

Like if you look at how people model an anime girl in 3D take notice of how flat the eyes are - basically a plane running through the centre of the face horizontally.

>>7755449
Pic related

>>7755449
>I'm not sure how else you would think of the eyes
Think of them as 2D designs. 3D is a simplification of 2D anime to make it work in the limited setting of 3D.

>>7755382
like I said, he's just using a guide that he already knows how to use, the student will learn nothing

>>7755453
i.e. anime eyes are bunch of 2D designs chosen carefully for every prominent angle, 3D is one concrete object shown from different angles

>>7755456
>the student will learn nothing
proof? can you show us how to do it properly and link to the video?

>>7755457
>>7755453
>>7755456
Yes I agree they are 2D designs, and then those 2D designs are placed on this thin flat plane over the face. This is how you make sense of that in 3D with the rest of the forms in the body/the scene as a whole, and importantly keep the eyes as visible as possible since they are the defining feature of anime style faces.

The lines he is using are trying to show where to place that strip. Japanese artists do this all the time if you look at their WIPs.

>>7755461
>proof
80% of /beg/s who use the cross guide still don’t know how to draw a face
because they don't know how to place the cross, just like this artist doesn't teach them how to place the line
>link to the video
the artist is /asg/ "essential" and it's literally on the thumbnail of his latest video

>>7755188
X is NghtmreArt

>>7755475
how should we learn head anatomy then if Japanese can't teach it? can you show us?

>>7755428
that's a pretty common beginner trick actually.

It's difficult.. (no trace)

>>7755467
>are placed on this thin flat plane over the face
>make sense of that in 3D
in 3D programs but not in 2D anime. 2D > 3D

>>7755520
>beginner trick
precisely, it doesn't show the full concept because the drawing of the further eye remains the same instead of changing according to the design like it does in 2D anime. it's extremely dangerous in our cultural climate to downplay the complexity of 2D anime.

>>7755523
Update

>>7754388
>wtf are these lines even supposed to be?
Use your fucking brain holy shit

>>7749288
Very Cute

Anyone have success doing animu faces with Huston's sailboat method?

>HAVENT BEEN HERE IN YEARS
>WONDER HOW GOOD HAS EVERYONE GOT OR THE BOARD HAS IMPROVED
>SEE THIS >>7756940

HOLY FUCKING KEK YOU NIGGAS STILL NGMI LMAO

>>7757040
Shut the FUCK up before I eat you, M&M poster

>>7757040
Show us your anime big bro

>>7732786
>I didn't realize the reference was AI

tbf,AI images with some effort look pretty convincing

>>7757218
I never understood the AI hate, jewartists hate it because they know they will replace them and will have to actully get a job, normal artists don't care because they draw because they like to draw

>>7757221
>I never understood the AI hate
it's hard when you're a subhuman with low cognitive resolution, sad.

>>7757228
I'm still waiting for an actual answer that doesn't involve artists crying about money

>>7757229
Most arguments weren't about monkey, you retarded tech drone. Go talk to your chatbots if you can't even pay attention to what you're reading.

>>7757233
>you retarded tech drone

Your schizofrenia is showing , I don't use AI, I just draw for fun . I'm still waiting for an actual response tho. I've yet to see one.

>>7757237
money*
Anyway, you're a couple of years too late to be trolling this board.

>>7757238
So the answer is normies are to blame?

>>7757221
>I never understood the AI hate
ikr? real artists like Ui have even taken advantage of AI, using it to compete with vsingers
you can already see some smaller composers who want real vocals starting to use Ui's soundbank instead of hiring commission singers

>inb4 it's Ui's voice and is trained with Ui’s consent
then artists should sell their own AI trained art instead of drawing everything themselves
I mean I can sense that some big artists will use "official AI-assisted artwork" as their lowest-priced commission tier in the future, and their fans will be like "at least he is being honest about it"

>I eat shit and don't mind it!
Shut up

>>7757657
No need to announce your fetish anon