Thread 7735213

The general thread for Manga / manga-styled comic-making, manga-style illustration and related comic work. That said, everyone is welcome here.

Support each other and talk about your work or the work of others that excites you. Inking, character design, paneling / layout, writing, planning, and other discussions are all welcome.
Post resources, questions, in-progress pages, breakdowns of other works, etc. If a work is not yours, credit the maker (unless it's fucking obvious like a full page of One Piece or something).
Thanks to everyone for making /mmg/ a level-headed and helpful place. Remember, drawing and making comics and manga are difficult endeavors, and we're all in this struggle together.

Previous thread:>>7720994

Some resources:
/asg/, our stylistic sister-thread series for those focused more on illustration >>>/ic/asg

Books:
Understanding Comics
https://e-hentai.org/g/2042453/83e7da6ed0/
Making Comics
https://annas-archive.org/md5/d55168f7579c1e23275d1fc9f0a2255d
Manga in Theory and Practice: The Craft of Creating Manga
https://annas-archive.org/md5/2877da11e2f852d220853e9944e6ea49
Story: Substance, Structure, Style and the Principles of Screenwriting
https://archive.org/details/RobertMcKeeStorypdf/
Even a Monkey Can Draw Manga
https://kupdf.net/download/even-a-monkey-can-draw-manga_58b9ca16e12e89233badd376_pdf
The Shonen Jump Guide to Making Manga
https://mega.nz/file/i81imLpI#GcheJ9Jjk3lw1RE9nQWgL4RG4wEBNOcRmgA-iaU6Wpg

Videos:
"Manga Senpai/Tokyo Name Tank", "SMAC! THE SILENT MANGA AUDITION COMMUNITY"
Habanero Scans: https://www.dailymotion.com/HabaneroScans/videos
Manben link can be found on archive.org on different pages separated by season: https://www.reddit.com/r/manga/comments/1bu9f0y/found_all_of_naoki_urasawas_manben_and_manben_neo/
Urasawa Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkIFOAoFm47XOAlJwTa6Ieg/videos

OP image is from Hellsing Chapter 16 Page 8.

>>7735213 (OP)
Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if http://www.antarctic-press.com/html/submissions.php is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

Iconic Comics (https://www.iconiccomics.com/))
>A bit like Oni Press and Antarctic Press
>A small publisher with a focus on indie works with manga inspiration

>>7735214
Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/

>>7735215
/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onography
https://discord.gg/QYnFBves7V
https://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9
(Anthology project is defunct but the discord is alive)

Additional community added Resources:
Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/
Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videos
Ganmo, a job listing board for manga assistant work: https://ganmo.j-comi.co.jp/posts

How (You) can help /mmg/:

> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.
> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.
> Don't be a crab
> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.
> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effort posts that help you for posterity.

>>7735285
whats with the pixelation

>>7735289
I am currently in the middle of storyboarding. I have all the pages laid out together so I can eyeball the whole thing, but to not have insane canvas dimensions each page draft is small. When it's time to draw the actual page, I just grab the corresponding draft and blow it up to the correct size.

Is this the "fun with a pencil" book but for manga drawing?
If not what is it?

>>7735336
Good question, I've never read any how-to's for manga. I'll check and get back to ya

>>7735778
This series of How to Draw Manga books are probably considered some of the best. There are several books in this series too, ranging from lots of different subjects, like individual books on how to draw Male characters, Female characters, fight scenes, how to tone pages, how to gear works toward certain genres (shounen, shoujo, mecha) etc.

I actually still have maybe four or five of them, and still reference them on occasion.

>>7735865
I have nearly the whole collection from back in the day, good shit. Really useful for me since I do trad and this was made before digital was standard

>>7735865
These are great. Honestly helped me a lot.

>>7736334
Hmm el vino

>>7736574
Where IS everyone? It's one thing to say people are drawing their comics, but I cannot recall in recent history /mmg/ being this insanely slow.

>>7736710
/mmg/ is full of hardworking anon's
so much so that we sometimes forget to eat, shower, spend time with our loved ones or that this place even exists
aso the end of the year is coming up so maybe some of us are starting to feel a bit of pressure to make as much progress as possible before it ends

>>7736734
I wonder how many of us are over 30

>>7736710
this board is dead and this general is not even top 5 most active generals here

>>7736710
I'm right here, bro. What do you want to talk about?

>>7736748
When I was on artfight I was pretty shocked to see some people on there that were like 40-60. It's entirely possible we have people in this thread with grandchildren.

>>7736755
I can't imagine still drawing for fun at that age, I'm out of here before 40 if I don't make it. And by here I mean Earth.

>>7736710
I just haven't been drawing at all. Been on break since mid-august.

>>7736734
Are those VHS's?

>>7736748
I think its a good 40% are in their 30s or older.

>>7736775
>I can't imagine still drawing for fun at that age
Why? Do you not enjoy drawing?

>>7736710
We all gave up. AI slop is cluttering the internet. It's harder and harder to get your shit out there. Plus I'm already dogshit, but maybe I might've had a chance in the environment 10 years ago. But now it's just fucking joever.

>>7736849
We?

>>7736863
lol check out this non-quitter, I bet he still has hopes and dreams.

>>7736867
No reason to quit, drawing is fun.

I'll never quit. Worst comes to worst I'll end up drawing porn just for myself.
I hope Jesus will understand

>>7736710
gaming

>>7736863
Shut it, frenchie

>>7736710
Sorry anon I've been unable to draw any manga page in the last 3 years ;-;

I'll never give up. When they find me dead, it'll be face-down at my drawing desk. 1000 pages made, and all of which were only half finished, never released to the world.

>>7736849
>only drawing to reach other people, not for the joy of drawing

Fucking hell.

>>7736985
everyone here starts out with joy, but the spirit can be worn down.

>>7736985
It's depressing after a while when no one cares.

My autism overpowers any notion if AI

>>7736992
>>7736999
Don't let crabs, trolls, and nodraws ruin your fun. The act of drawing is an end in itself.

>>7736810
yes sir

>>7736891
>Gaming
This . It is Japanese video games at least so close to making manga

uh... can we try this one again guys

>>7736734
Nice page, where can I read your comic?

Did anyone try posting on mangaplus? What's the tip to maximize views?
t.trying to make it to the top 5 for the monthly award

>>7737165
BR-anon is that you? Didn't you learn your lesson the last time you did this? You spent all this time trying to make it to the top of the monthly charts to get the award, you actually made it for one month, then when your manga slid off the charts when the next month rolled around you were gloomposting about how sad you were for the next two threads until you finally posted about how you realized the whole chasing awards thing was a fool's errand.

>>7737165
I'm not sure what it actually takes to get views outside of already having a fanbase to send to mangaplus. You need a fanbase of retarded thirdies in order to really do it though.

>>7737202
>You need a fanbase of retarded thirdies in order to really do it though.
Not the anon you were talking to, but please explain.

>>7737208
Every comic I see that's high in the rankings has traffic from another site coming to check it out. Its not people trawling mangaplus looking for good shit.

>>7737209
>traffic from another site coming to check it out
How would you even go about verifying this for XYZ comic? Are they saying they're coming from somewhere in the comments or something?

from Kagurabachi

how many fucking "guys in white dress shirts battling demons in tokyo" mangas are there

>>7737222
is this what "making it" is?
making the higher ups at WSJ good money while you literally kill yourself with an insane workload and no extra time to finish your panels?

>>7737217
This is why I try not to get bogged down with worry about whether I am drawing everything super well. I am genuinely trying to improve each day, but then I remind myself that story comes first regardless.

The only useful manga to compare yourself to are oneshots and pilot chapters. Those are the ones that are trying to stand on their own and appeal to a non existant fanbase. They're trying to be read by new people, so you can learn from their techniques and see what worked. Professionals releasing nfinished chapters deep into an established popular story are not playing by the same rules as random indie people trying to make it.

>>7737165
>>7737198
>>7737202
>>7737209
i just saw what won the latest silver award on that shithole of a site. i've lost full faith in that dogshit website and shonen jump, rotten to core declining garbage

>>7737156
until its finished, you can't, but I do post pages here as I get them done
I haven't done so in a while cause the current part i'm doing is not that interesting visually
>>7737165
your best bet is just to make a thumbnail that stands out
>>7737269
>August third place is AI slop
kek i'd be so mad if I was any of the guys that ranked below it
also, second place of this month is also AI but the months is not finished. Sill tho, mangaplus has been shit for a while
I don't know what they're trying to achieve with it but there you have it
At least the users aren't shy about harassing the AI people in the comments kek

>>7735865
I just bought four of them on ebay, they're all still pretty cheap. I have a few of the later, more "specialized" ones (pretty girls 1 and 2, mecha/giant robots, etc) but the explanations of traditional tools and techniques in the early books are a big help.

>>7737323
I wouldn't be surprised if mangaplus was virtually abandoned by its owners except for whatever skeleton crew is there to occasionally check in and make sure the website is still up. The entire site is so poorly made and there doesn't seem to be much of any kind of quality control at all except to whack you over the head if you show any no-no parts even if the scene in question is not meant to be sexual.

Is it true that most manga artists trace backgrounds from real pictures and such? If so, is such a thing forgivable? Sometimes I see some background that's really detailed in a weekly manga and wonder how they do that but someone said they trace

>>7737353
https://tips.clip-studio.com/en-us/articles/1261

>>7736710
I'm still chugging along, but progress is pretty slow recently

>>7737353
i've always wondered how mangaka manage to have so many backgrounds that are altered photos or traced or are 3d backgrounds. Like, do they have an infinite amount of images of various buildings and locations from all sorts of angles that they use?
Do they just go all over Japan taking pictures of every location?
When they storyboard, do they have to first select which photo to use for the background to then know how to insert the characters in the environment?
i imagine that would be so limiting, it just seems like such a hassle but clearly they have a good method since its so common

>>7737353
Assistant: drawn the BG
Author: drawn characters.

>>7737353
Why even concern yourself bro? You’re too lazy to pick up a ruler and do it

>>7737442
They send out assistants to take photos. It makes setting stories in modern day Japan a lot more tempting for the artist.

>>7737478
what I don't get is like, especially on a weekly deadline, do you do the sketch with the basic composition, and then wait as your assistants rush out into the world to take photos that fit with the composition?
it just sounds like such a hassle, I feel like it would be so much easier and versatile to have your assistants hand draw the backgrounds
but then again, maybe they just like the more realistic look that pictures provide

>>7737484
For me personally, while I get why they do it (there are obvious compromises made for the sake of workload and audience viewership and backgrounds a lot of the time are glossed over) I can't stand the photos or 3d assets converted into lineart. It's so obvious and it takes me out of it. I would rather see a worse quality but hand-drawn background every single time.

>>7737269
well the problem is you have to like a comic before you can comment on it, so people are forced to updoot the ai comic to shit on it. Also it became news so people came to see it out of morbid curiosity, which drives the views up. There's no check in place for this kind of thing on mangaplus because its shit. Its not like it actually won for being liked.

>>7737323
>>7737269
>>7737165
My comic got taken down for "copyright infringement" because I had a parody of a popular character there. I suspect another creator reported it. Half my comments were from people asking to trade likes/favorites. I suspect 99% of users on that site is just creators looking to game the system to win the monthly awards.

>>7737642
its a shame
I think the site is easy to navigate, easy to upload stuff to and it sounds pretty cool to make a platform for amateurs to upload work and then reward and promote the good ones
but its clear they don't really care about running it well

>>7737649
>easy to upload stuff to
Are we using the same site? Every single time I upload to it, even with every single page clearly named and paginated in numerical order, it always throws it all over the place on the screen like I'm playing 52-card pickup and then I have to manually click every single page into place, I can't just drag and drop. At every single instance I have to fight the UI/UX every time I upload.

>>7737666
Some websites will upload pages in the order you click on them from the file viewer. Always select the last page of your batch first and then hold shift + click the first page. Unless it really is screwed up then to hell with it, but this is usually the issue I see anytime I have the option to upload multiple files most places (Not comicfury, strangely)

Why do you guys hate begs so much? One Piece is mostly begshit yet it's really good.

>>7737353
>is such a thing forgivable?
art is a selfish medium. you'll never be an artist if you worry about permission or what's okay and not ok. An artist does anything to see their vision first and apologizes later.

>>7737777
baiterald

>>7737666
this happens to me lately too, it must have been a firefox update that broke everything. I have to upload images 3 at a time to make sure it doesn't scramble all 30 pages.

csp perspective ruler is OP

>>7737777
>why do you hate /begs/ so much
I sincerely hope your'e kidding. Have you seen some of the anons who draw here? If anything we're one of the most welcoming generals outside of the /beg/ general itself so long as an anon genuinely want to make a comic.

>>7738231
Link me up to your site again

>>7738242
https://www.instagram.com/ifpartwork/
https://globalcomix.com/c/aecast

Whats the max page count for the international manga contest? I see they specify MIN 16 pages but not the MAX

>>7737224
To be fair there have always been a lot of "monster hunter" books, series, animations etc...

mangaplus has a lot of AI generated comics
Ive been having a field day binging on those lol
Kinda hilarious how the characters magically jump from one setting to another. Sad that japs let aicels spam though

lmao

>>7738390
Two more weeks, and AI will replace all artists saaaar!!

>>7738390
Good to see the AI is also an ESL, and has no typography skills.

>>7738390
holy fucking kino
people 500 years in the future will look at this moment in art history as one of those periods where a great revolution in the world of art took place

>>7738405
Well by the filename you can see im also an ESL kek

>>7738396
>>7738424
This one didnt even bother writing the text and let the AI do it lol
Why do japs allow this

Test for a one shot

>>7738430
>teacaup
>>7738431
Very cute.

>>7738390
What is the point of this, is it just indian bot farms trying to get that prize money or do these people actually think this is their ticket to stardom?

>>7738724
Many Indians in the slums are insanely optimistic. I actually admire it.

>>7738724
its probably cool if you're new to computers and the internet. They were introduced to ai at the same time as digital drawing so they take up the same amount of space in their minds.

>>7738390
BASED. I hope AI technology improves so much that someday people can just storyboard something rough, feed in the AI reference images for the style, and it draws everything for you.

AI is based.

>>7738840
Good morning, saar.

i always like it when mangaka post their sketches so here's 3 from Chainsaw Man released recently

I'll be honest, I think the art in csm is dogshit but in a special way. Like they're not even trying to draw well. AoTs art is bad but he clearly is doing his best, CSM looks utterly soulless and miserable to read.

>>7738923
I dunno, I think it is an example of how the art complements the actual visuals. It definitely isn't the prettiest, most refined artwork out there by any stretch of the imagination, but sketchy, scratchy style kind of works for the cartoonish gore and violence. Its kind of cheezy in the "exploitative" or "grindhouse" style of say, some horror movies. The visuals are kind of over the top and frantic at times.

I definitely don't think the artwork is great, but it works perfectly within the context of setting and what it is depicting, for the most part.

>>7738724
According to the rules you can post AI to manga plus. It will appear in the rankings, though it will never be considered by an award.

say what you want but the award system is pretty nice.

1- There are no default wins.
If nobody is gold worthy, nobody gets gold. Instead of the approach of giving gold/silver to the "best of the worst".
2- Awards arent received by rankings.
Rankings depend on likes, and comment. You can be ranked below 1 or 2 or 3 and get award

>>7738944
the art isn't great, just leave it at that. No need to go to bat for him.

>>7738923
Idk how you can look at some of those panels and say the art is bad
Though it looks like the author lost his passion or is burnt out in recent chapters because everything is stiff and lazy and he uses a single line weight

>>7737165
I gave up trying after a while, fuck mpc, they don't care, neither do i

Hi guys, im thinking now for a while about drawing a horror comic, that has the same structure as a 90-100 minutes movie, a slasher, like Friday the 13th?
But how much work would it be, how long would a 90min movie be as a comic, round about. Of course it depends on style and preference how many pages a scene would take and so on.
But i would like to know the aproximate scope of such a project. Is it more 100-200 pages, or 1000+?

>>7739229
It's really entirely up to you.

>>7739231
I mean not quite. 10 pages would be too short.
I know Horodrowski made a giant comic book as a story board for his planned movie Dune, but the movie supposed to be 4 hours or something.

>>7739243
>I mean not quite. 10 pages would be too short.
10 extremely compressed pages could in theory be told in a 90 minute movie. Again, it's up to you.

>>7739229
as >>7739231 its up to you how you structure things, but if your structuring it like a movie beat for beat, Id expect it to be more or less 300 pages for a 90 minute movie, through comparing it to other comics that have been adapted to movies.

Watchmen was 450 pages long, and was turned into a 2 hours and 40 long movie, where as Jojos Phantom blood is 3 hours long in total, and is 950 pages long, so honestly, the content in your pages is probably gonna change that too.

Manga styles tend to have less going on ,and focus on big moments, like a 2 page spread of a cool guy swinging a sword, where as comics might have an entire fight on a 9 panel page

Point is, it could be a good idea to look at storyboards and see how their structered, I'm in the same boat as you, in that I've tried to pace my own comic more like a movie, than as a comic, but in truth, I probably know as much as you. Probably just start drawing, compare your work to others, and learn as you go

>>7739229
I would say about 200 pages, maybe 100 if information is condensed.

>>7739251
>>7739260
Thx that helped.
Manga leans more towards animation and comic towards book illustrations.
I think the former is more cinematic.
I think for a slasher movie you would make the chassing scene longer, manga like, to build up suspense.
Maybe i should try to convert some iconic horror movie scenes into comics, to get a feeling for it.

>>7739265
thats a good idea, maybe dont go all in, but do rough penciling, and draft a scene or 2, I did that and was surprised with how quick adapting "talking scenes" are compared with "action scenes". In that with adapting an action scene, a page might only be 5 seconds of time, where as a talking scene could be 45 seconds a page

>>7739229
split a movie up into scenes and then group the scenes into acts and then count how many acts and scenes are in the movie. In a comic a scene can be anywhere from 1-10 pages so I'm thinking 40-50 pages is the minimum.

Have there been any more seasons of Million Tag after that first one? It was very inspiring and helped me get my first one shot done

>>7738915
>>7738918
>>7738920
The art for part 1 was so good. It makes want to cry to remember how it looks like now...

>>7739265
>Manga leans more towards animation and comic towards book illustrations.
>I think the former is more cinematic.

What? Most people would say the exact opposite.

Manga is far more illustrative. Manga usually uses larger panels, to let the scenes breathe, and show introspective character moments. To really show character expressions and settings.

Comics more lean towards a cinematic approach to story telling. It isn't even a secret that most modern western comics basically exist as outlines and pitches for movies and TV shows. Most comics are banking on becoming the next MCU or Walking Dead.

>>7739586
I don't think you understand the terms and are instead looking at tertiary factors.

>>7739587
No, modern comics are literal movie scripts at this point. There's nothing tertiary about it. Its the primary reason they exist, especially in the US. There's little room to breathe in an American comic. It exists as content for a TV show or movie.

There's nothing to even try to interpret. That's just literally what they are now.

It just goes to the actual culture of the East and West anyway. Eastern is more quiet, introspective and thoughtful. Western people and media is loud, frantic, and hangs its hat on the grand spectacle.

>>7739605
what culture war sloptube does to a mf...

>>7739617
If that's how you want to interpret it, then I can't help your lack of intelligence out. It has nothing to do with that, and everything to do with the sheer number of shows that get pushed out. Its especially bad with Disney and how they push Marvel and Star Wars. They have gigantic cash cow juggernaut franchises, and they've worked as hard as they can to turn every middle-tier character and plot element into a new show or movie.

It has nothing to do with culture wars, and everything to do with the sheer number shows and movies they've put out, and how people openly admit that they're just trying to grasp at anything and make it the next billion dollar tentpole.

>>7739605
>>7739649
Again, what you're talking about is tertiary and has little to do with the actual form the the comic panels and scenes take, which is what anon was talking about.

Manga are cinematic because they tend to follow action and moments closely like seeing individual cels of animation, or to mimic the motion and time passage of a scene.

Western comics are less cinematic and more illustrative because they tend to try to cram as much information, action and dialogue into single panels and pages as they can. They are made more like movie posters, or book illustrations that are supposed to give an overall feel of the chapter rather than sequential single moments, and tend to skip large portions of time or actions between panels. They also tend to be "experimental" in panel shape and composition to make a page a modern-art piece instead of an easily readable story, the page itself intended to be something to hang on a wall instead of a moment in a story or a frame of a film.

This is most prominent in fight scenes where manga will most often follow character actions and movements through an entire choreographed sequence, while an action scene in an American comic will typically only consist of one or two spreads of a character in a "punching"-like pose (usually accompanied by more dialogue than could possibly be uttered in a single scene), all other action and movement left to the readers' imagination. Because that page is meant to be a summary of an event, not a cinematic moment-to-moment depiction of it.

Now there are obviously exceptions, and the further back in time you go the less of a difference there is between the two. However, regardless of what the tertiary intentions of the authors are for the work, manga tend to follow animation storyboard structure, and the TV-frame shape of most of the panels, much more closely than Western comics which tend to be made with the comic medium as an art form in itself.

If I work traditionally and just need software to touch lineart up, tone, add text, and maybe format for eventual print, would CSP Pro be enough? What does EX have over Pro anyway?

I know this gets talked about some, but I guess I should have paid more attention when it got brought up before. I don't want to overpay for a bunch of stuff I don't need, but also don't want to have to double dip in the figure if Pro ends up not being enough or something.

>>7739793
I do the same thing, Pro seems to be just fine. I would only get EX if I was going harder into animation personally

>>7739793
thats what i do and it works, alot of mangakas do that too

>>7739793
Pro is plenty. EX is for convenience if you're making comics as your job so having certain features just helps keep the production smooth.

>>7739807
>>7739827
>>7739840
Thanks guys. Only other question I had was, Pro does allow you to actually lay out an entire book, right? I guess I ask, because I see some stipulation that Pro allows "single page layout" whereas EX allows "multiple page layout," and I wasn't sure if that had anything to do with putting books together, or if that was something else entirely.

>>7739842
You can't make a multi-page file in Pro, which is just a file that takes your single-page files and presents them in thumbnails in one place and allows you to export them all in bulk.
You can still make a book entirely out of single-page files, it's just less convenient to go in and export each page individually.

>>7739649
>but but disney...

lol low IQ sloptube watcher confirmed doesn't even understand what compressed visual storytelling is. NGMI smoll brain

Is this actual art evolution/skill progress or just a "monthly chapter vs weekly chapter" kind of difference? I've looked back at Planetes high effort spreads for comparison and I must say the difference in quality is more subtle rather than fully clear

>>7739807
>>7739827
What's that workflow look like?
I enjoy trad more than digital so I'd like to learn more about polishing it up instead of having to switch to fully digital

>>7740177
I'm familiar with Vinland Saga, but I've never actually read it myself to be 100% sure how the art changes over time, but the one on the left looks like it is just from a smaller panel or something, so it wouldn't be quite as detailed because the face probably isn't the focus. The one on the right seems like the expression is the focus, and it is also much larger which allows for much more detail and intricacies.

>>7740611
this

also notice the tone of the pictures, the first is probably just a small comedic insert panel while the bigger picture is a dramatic impact shot.

>>7735213 (OP)
why is this thread hidden?

>>7740690
?????
I found it just fine in the catalog?

>>7740177
Anon it's neither of those, it's
>small panel
>full page illustration

>>7740794
its not showing in catalog for me. typing /mmg/ gives 0 results too

>>7740849
Check your filters

>>7738920
>that kick panel
why did fujimoto forget to draw, i know he doesn't give a shit about the manga anymore but even his recent one shot was drawn by one of his assistants instead, it's really weird because some of his best work happened during the period between late part 1/start of part 2 of chainsawman

>>7740424
just pirate ex or use the free trial. You're going to lose motivation when you can't have multiple pages open to check them quickly. Its like drawing to draw in trad on a tiny little bar stool as a table.

>>7741083
I'm not the anon asking about the software, I mean the workflow of drawing trad -> importing it to digital & polishing it. What steps are involved in that pipeline?

>Windows one day suddenly stops working, claims it can't detect my SSD
>oh shit oh fuck oh shit oh fuck oh- wait a minute, I have my drawings backed up in two separate places, oh thank god
>still have to deal with windows crapping its pants tho
>few more reboots, try testing the physical hardware connections, make sure nothing fell out, everything seems perfectly fine, so what gives, I've been building custom PCs for years at this point
>finally get it to boot as far as the troubleshoot splash page
>input several emergency repair commands into the command prompt terminal
>windows spends next three hours pouring over my SSD trying to figure out what's wrong
>something somehow changed, am now given the option to completely reset windows and keep my files....... but all the non-windows programs I've ever installed will have to be reinstalled, and so any files associated with those programs' install folders will also be gone
>reinstall photoshop
>every single brush is fucked now, can't have my halftone/screentone brushes act like a nice gradient depending on pen pressure, no matter what settings I have on my pen and no matter what version of Photoshop I install, the brushes just make a giant blot of black on the canvas like I'm smashing a permanent marker onto the screen
FFS. I'm going to mess around some more but this might be the final push for me to jump ship to my existing copy of CSP for good.

>>7739793
If you feel like trying animation, then ex. Also I think you get 2 IC screen tones a month for free? I may be wrong about that though. I think thier may be some extra export options too/multi page stuff

I downloaded some H-manga in huge resolution (6800 vertical) to see look at screentones, I'd like to replicate this kind of shading where dots gets smaller instead of getting more transparent.
left image is that manga screentones, right is my attempt that is wrong.
How do I achive this shading?

>>7741500
They scratch away at the screentone to create a gradient. If your software can render screentone from gradients, use that to produce softer terminators.

>>7741647
in window on the right I done exactly that, screated gradient with soft round brush, clicked with ctrl on layer to get selection, created new layer and dragged sceentone there. But as you see its making dots more transparent, that is not the effect I look for. I want to achive dots becoming smaller, this looks much better imo.
Anyway I'll keep looking, If I find answer I'll post here, but If anyone know please help me out.

>>7735213 (OP)
Is there any way to get into contact with native Japanese or people who understand the cultural environment there without learning Japanese? Have nobody to help practice Japanese and even if I completely reworked my artstyle the niche subject matter doesn't really appeal to many westerners at all.

>>7741657
You're just going to have to move there, unfortunately.
がんばって

>>7741684
I know one person who lives there but he does not know much Japanese and is there as an engineer. His friends are also engineers and not the artistic types. I also wouldn't know how to live there and also don't want to be one of those cringe foreigners.

>>7741685
>also don't want to be one of those cringe foreigners.

>has already decided his comic idea is not suited for his own native audience, but will be welcomed in glorious Nippon, despite him never living there, knowing nothing about their culture or even knowing a lick of language

>>7741500
>>7741655
It looks like you're using a soft brush that is using opacity to gradually erase the dots. It's not that the dots are "getting smaller" those are the leftovers of the dots that have been scraped away. You need to use a brush that erases without opacity. You could even use the default g pen if you like, considering traditionally tone was scraped with razor blades. Pic related, just a patch of tone with straight lines erasing some dots close up. Avoid erasing on 45 degree angles.

I clicked around and got better results. This time I converted layer to gray in properties and there added tone. Left one was done with 100% black airbrush, right with 50%. Right one is closer to what I was looking for, but as you can see the dots gets bigger and bigger and finally they everextend and change into sqares grid. So how to make them stay as dots all the way? I changed frequency but even if I make them smaller the dots at the bottom still turn into squares, and the middle one looks distorted.

>>7741647
>>7741700
thanks, will look into that more tomorrow.

one last update for today. I think I got pretty close. Turns out you need to turn dow layer opacity, then those square dots gets more round...
now only if they would get nicer more circular shape? But maybe I need to get higher resolution canvas and then dowscale for that?
will test more tommorow.

>>7741714
Physically I think they used an actual gradient tone sheet and simply angled it correctly to match the picture.

>>7741695
Fair enough. I'm just in a tough spot and decided to focus on comics and niche topics like ancient and medieval mysticism. Doesn't garner much attention here but it at least was huge in Japan. I feel like I have to cater hard into sci-fi or switch to traditional novels to have any sort of success here.

>>7741500
In this case the tone is scraped away, though you could get something like on the right except the dots get smaller rather than more gray.
What you have there is a dot material that you're soft erasing. Instead you need to have something that gray, erase it, then make convert that to a monochrome dot pattern. Very very easy to do in CSP, pic related.

>>7741902
I find that method does not work very well with gradients, it tends to just average out the tone uniformly instead

>>7741904
That's weird, it works fine for me.

>>7741902
I didn't even know about that button. Seems to work pretty well.

>>7738424
The world will fully reset well before 500 years. An Indian like you should know this.

>go to prison
>have all day to draw manga

>>7741942
>Tyrone keeps ripping up your papers because he thinks its funny
>Have to trade your pencils for skittles because nobody will put money on your commissary
>The MS13 gang make you draw nothing but their DBZ fanfiction or else they'll rape you

>working on ironing out character design
>end up drawing her naked
>...
>make her blush to make it character-accurate
I'm a master of visual storytelling

>>7741953
I wonder how many characters here have canon genitals.

>>7741953
Sounds cute, but where are the pics?

>>7742040
I imagine all of them canonically do...

>>7742216
>I imagine all of them canonically do...
I meant as in size and shape. Which creators have their series' secret cock reference sheet hidden away.

>>7742279
No.

>>7742279
>series' secret cock reference sheet
Lmao what?

>>7742279
I will never draw my characters naked because I dont want to disrespect them....

>>7742695
Are your characters never going to take a shower? I know this is 4chan and everyone is always perpetually going 10000% hard on being a coombrain 24/7, but nudity doesn't have to be intrinsically sexual. Take the entire opening scene of the original GITS movie - when the Major is made she's completely nude. The entire opening despite the nudity is not meant to be intrinsically titillating but instead a wedding hymn to the ultimate merging of flesh and the blessed machine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf7Pn8GB_jI

>>7742695
My characters are underage, so I wont draw them naked because, well, you know

>>7741739
Unironically I might be able to help. Join the Discord and I'll shoot you a DM.

>>7743312
https://discord.gg/QYnFBves7V
This?

>>7741700
>avoid erasing at 45 degrees
why so?

>>7739071
Fuck you I'm going to bat for him. This is older works at ages 21-22. How old are you now, and can you draw better than old Fujimoto when he actually cares and isn't rushing? PYW.

>>7743664
FUARKKK I'M TURNING 21 NEXT YEAR AND I HAVE TO GET AS GOOD AS THIS FROM LOW /BEG/ BY THEN ITS OVER

>>7743650
Not that anon, but look at how the dots in the pattern are evenly placed. The dots are nicely lined up diagonally to each other in 45 degree lines. If your goal is to get smaller dots via scraping parts of the bigger dot off, then 45 degrees would be bad cos you end up erasing the entire dot. A smaller angle would leave some of the dot you swept your eraser over behind.

>>7743343
Yup!

>>7743675
I think its funny how sensitive zoomers and alphoomers are about age, especially about balding.

>>7743664
photobashed digital paintings
it will take more than that to demotivate me.

>>7742695
I drew my characters "naked" as part of a gag and plot device. Full disrespect

>>7742040
They don't. But the whole censorship thing that happens I thought was funny.

>>7743709
Alright. I'll join shortly.

>>7743783
Retard. The first one isn't a photobash, it's just a stylized piece inspired from a film scene. The fact that you think second one is not photobashed given how specific the curvilinear perspective is. Mind you, it was also animated, and he did 4 years before he began Chainsawman. PYW faggot, I GUARANTEE you that you're a dunning kruger that's worse than him based on how you you're typing. I think you underestimate how challenging and draining cranking out 20 pages weekly with semi realistic characters in urban background for years is, the illustration quality will have to be simplified and sometimes reduced

>>7736710
We peaked here

>>7744204
wheres the new ic jump page that guy promised last thread?

>>7741657
>without learning Japanese
why? are you allergic to being based?

>>7744227
The editor killed him for taking too long.

>>7743711
>>7743675
i think if you are zoomtard you are already ngmi

>>7743675
I'm in my 30s and I'm learning every day. You get past the despair when you're in your late 20s.

>>7735213 (OP)
Has there ever been a western manga artist that made it into the manga industry?
Any examples?

>>7743675
I didn't start drawing at all until my 20s were almost over. Just be happy to draw, brother.

>>7744321
yes

>>7744321
lurk moar

>want to make comics
>hate drawing
what do?

>>7744227
>>7744237
I kinda dropped the ball. I had all the images saved in a folder, but I cant for the life of me find it. I gotta start all over

>>7744508
Write a book. Stop trying to wear comics like a fashion.

its crazy how screen tones can elevate okay art to great art
they really are the make up of manga

>>7744508
>want to be in a band
>hate making music

>>7744520
Only at a glance. Tones cannot fix shitty linework, shape language or composition, only hide it for a second with flash until the eyes adjust. Color has the same effect.

>>7744337
>>7744347
Nta but names please.
I need hope.

>>7744528
this but unironically. i hate the process of creating so much, but want to create so badly. i wish I could tell other people what to do for me.

>>7744579
you can, just pay them

>>7744579
>>7744508
What ever happened to calling people posers and telling them to fuck off?

>>7744582
no. you're supposed to do what I say for the passion of the craft. and I won't respect you as an artist if you think otherwise.

>>7744587
shutup and pay up bitch

>>7744579
Indian moment

>>7744579
>i hate the process of creating so much, but want to create so badly.
That's just how it is on this bitch of an earth. There are days where I don't want to draw and wish things were just done, but that's not gonna finish my comic. Pick up your pen/stylus and draw.

How much do you use to read your own comic? I think the more I revist more I find errors or things I would have done better.

>>7744321
Pornanon

>>7736710
I haven't been drawing many comics, just Danas and commissions

>>7744549
And what if nobody did it before?

>>7744321
Just counting authors who have been serialized in a japanese magazine, and not just serialized in a western publication and then published in japan later:
Felipe Smith
Åsa Ekström
Peppe
Nicolas de Crécy
Dingle

There's also a canadian woman who is/was serialized with a shoujo manga about gemstones or something but I can never find it when I want to.

>>7744862
p-peppe...? like the frog?

>>7744862
the issue with these is that all of them are literally whos, or that their defining trait is 'foreigner who got published in japan' while their actual work is ok at best. you'd think there would be someone who would have made something that would have atleast made a cult hit

>>7744921
Peppe like the italian guy who was on some reality TV show and then became a published manga author.

>>7744922
Anon the vast majority of manga authors are literal whos. Consider all the filters.
Say you have a certain number of people trying to become a serialized author in japan.
90% of those people don't ever actually make 100 pages of manga before giving up.
90% of the remainder never manage to get to the point where their skill is at a level where they can reasonably get published.
90% of the people who make it to the point where they can reasonably get published never actually manage to land a publication.
90% of the remainder who do get published just make 1 thing that flops and disappear.
90% of the people whose work doesn't just flop and who continue are people you've never heard of and never will hear of.
And this 90% number is an extremely generous guess. Do you have any idea how much manga there is out there? They could be very popular in japan and you may never know. Ever heard of Zipang? It's a very popular manga that's pretty much unknown outside of japan because of its subject matter. There are many such cases.

So saying "the problem is that I haven't heard of them" is complete nonsense. No, when you consider just how much has to go right for there to be a very popular and famous westerner manga author it really isn't a surprise that there hasn't been one yet. There's only really been a couple decades where it was even a possibility for a westerner to become a professional manga artist. Consider how niche manga used to be outside of japan. It's very easy to forget that the "westerner manga artist" has only really recent started to become a thing, before then it was just a pipe dream for a very small number of hopeless dreamers. Now there are people who are actually starting to get in there. Eventually I'm sure somebody will manage to make a famous hit. It might even take a generation or two, this shit doesn't just happen out of nowhere.

>>7744935
i see what you mean now, i changed mind. thank you

>>7744549
Me

>>7744736
I've re read it so many times that I have it memorized and I just live with the errors. Most of the issues are from me being lazy and tired when drawing it.

being a commercial success is a sign of hackery

>>7745008
Lupin III is a hack product because...? Samurai Champloo is a hack product because...? Ghost in the Shell is a hack product because...? Frieren is a hack product because...?

>>7745008
Cope

>>7745015
>>7745023
point = proved

I would create a popular manga if i had a screen tablet.
Prove me wrong. Pro tip: you cant.

>>7745042
Well I'm going to make one without a tablet
How do you like that, Little Donnie?

>>7745042
have you heard about a little thing called PAPER

>>7745042
>>Prove me wrong. Pro tip: you cant.
you're right. I can't

why yes, I will spend hours trying to fix a small detail that literally no one will ever notice

>>7745185
and then you end up going with the first version after all that time.

>>7744935
Zipang was cool, this feels like a reminder that I need to finish it

>>7745185
why yes, I will draw extra parts of a scene that I will ultimately decide to take out and never use and which will never see the light of day

>that one thing you technically can draw and nobody else seems to see a problem but it looks wrong to your eyes when you do it no matter what
Confess your comic-making demons, anons. Get them off your shoulders.

the last full comic I drew was probably 20 years ago with pen and paper as a kid. Now I have tablet, all programs, brushes, but somehow I feel like Im not good enough

>>7745691
She looks like she has sex with male protagonists

>>7744844
I might try to be the first but I probably won’t make it.
Quite frankly I just want this to be a fun side hobby where some money can be earned and if it takes off then great.

>>7745727
>Quite frankly I just want this to be a fun side hobby where some money can be earned and if it takes off then great.
I'm just having fun telling a story over here. Getting fanart from time to time out of it is just a golden cherry on top.

>>7745693
That's because you aren't good enough. Nobody is. Everybody, even the best of the best, are struggling to reach a standard they'll never reach. Some people see that as encouragement to make more to get closer and closer to the goal, others find it discouraging and don't ever try.

how do I find motivation again when I am so shit. I'm NGMI

>>7745885
Post your work and I'll say it's good.

are you guys sure you want to be mangaka? Clown college has some openings.

>>7745319
nobody but freaks and weirdos care about comics. animation is the only avenue for any real traffic.

>>7745903
fuck manga

>>7745937
holy job

>>7745939
KWAB

>>7745941
Nice action sequence, Altarusia anon. Seeing some more creative angles and paneling overall.

>>7746371
Thanks. Im working hard to make it fun to look at

>>7745930
>>7745932
>>7745934
>>7745937
>>7745939
very nice, I could follow the action even without the words.

>>7735213 (OP)
Anyone here has finished a manga? A one-shot? A page? Where do you guys post them?

>>7746919
Almost everyone here that routinely contributes has completed something of decent length.
>Page
Virtually everybody here who has a [name]-anon moniker.
>One-shot
For all the anons who were thinking of making one that I can think of, they've all made one. At least a good handful.
>A manga
Do you mean long enough to count as a full manga book if it were printed, or the entire series is over and done with entirely? If the former then several anons have done so. If the latter I think about 3-5 anons have.
>Where do you guys post them?
Take your pick. Namicomi, Webtoons, Tapas, Globalcomics, INKR, Mangadraft, Comicfury, Mangadex, Pixiv, even something like Twitter/Instagram.

>>7746961
I was thinking on a booru or something.
A place where you guys upload and archive what gets posted here.

>>7746970
>booru
I feel that would be a bit odd, since while boorus can try to group images together, it's not exactly conducive for reading long stories that the anons here tend to make. Also, several anons here are more on the private side when it comes to their work and want to keep their artwork to just a single site or two under their direct control. A booru wouldn't allow for that.

I've realized that my favorite webcomic has noticeably shittier art than others that I've dropped due to pacing/writing issues
>>7736710
I'm ironing out the look of the 2 main characters and the overall arc I want for the story, then I should be able to start soon. I finally started thumbnailing the panels today.
I haven't made fullbody images for the two yet but I can do it tomorrow & post them here if anyone's interested

>>7746996
Oh, the boory was just to look at what it's getting made, not to read a story chronologically
>several anons here are more on the private side
Yeah, I can understand that.

>>7746919
This is basically finished, I might do a series epilogue and episodic shorts later but the main story itself is done. 3 volumes read them all here.
https://namicomi.com/en/title/ufQC7cAD/oi-tales-of-bardic-fury
Art starts rough but gets better (while remaining inconsistent)

how much would you charge per page for commissions?

>>7747178
For me, going rate is $150 per page pencilled

>>7747031
Starts very Jodoroskian. The jump to a more anime style was a good move. Good fucking job, anon.

>>7747303
what the fuck

>>7747303
p-pyw..?

>>7741200
it goes
>draw in trad, cleanup work for scan
>scan and import to your preferred program (in this case CSP)
>adjust lineart so it's nice and black
>convert white bg to transparent
>start adding grey/tones on new layer
there's a specific button that lets you convert the bg to transparent, can't remember what it is off the top of my head
I've done this on a few pages and it's a good compromise between quality and speed

>>7744515
this is why tradchads beats digicels

>>7747303
Yeah that sounds cheap, do you live on air?

>>7747377
I just "color erase" white from scans
And do save scans with minimum alteration as separate simple images (png or even jpeg).

what would a manga about mmg look like?

>>7747377
You're thinking of "Convert Brightness to Opacity"!

>>7747343
Thanks. /ic anons in this very thread general taught me how to achieve that style. Still working on improving it.
>>7745723
That she does.

>>7747303
Only $150? If somebody had asked me, my actual pricing would at least be $200 to $250 per simple page, even more if it was a complex page.

>>7743800
next time actually draw their cocks before censoring them properly instead of Half assing Censorship over your Genderless Potato Characters crotches

>>7747636
That's fair but realistically no one is going to psy that, that's more than marvel and DC pay most of their artists.

>>7747415
It would literally look the the attached image but with /mmg/ stuff instead. An anon wanders in wanting to make a comic but instead only encounters:
>hopeless pessimist anons
>AI jeets
>whether nudity is allowed
>is any level of titillation satanic?
>occasional pic of an actual comic page being worked on but with zero replies to it
>[X artist] vs [Y artist] and who did [Z thing] better
>fight over what constitutes "manga"
>fight over how skilled /mmg/ anons are
>disagreement over canvas dimension sizes and how to shade a picture
>fight over whether shading anything at all is just a cover-up for bad lineart
>original new anon says so uh, about making a comi-
>SHUT THE FUCK UP ANON WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SHADING

>>7747659
Some of those are actually pretty legitimate questions, though, outside of the bashing the /mmg/ people, AI, pessimism (which are all pretty much just shallow trolling.)

>>7735213 (OP)
I'm gonna start toying around with the idea of making a manga. Which site would you guys recommend to upload a page at a time?

>>7747860
>a page at a time
Probably social media or your own site.

>>7747860
>a page at a time
don't do that gay shit.

>>7747878
pixiv it is
>>7747897
i don't have the mental fortitude just yet to hold off.
maybe two pages

>>7747899
bro, unless you're making Garfield, no one wants to read a story-driven comic 1 page at a time. Draft the pages for your chapter, read through them, and work on all of the pages together.

>>7747930
I don't have such lofty aspirations. Don't expect people to read it.
I'll just use pixiv, the manga reading UI is not bad

>>7747950
do you hear yourself? you're going to fail before you ever start if you don't listen to me. do as I say!

Do you have any recommendations or advice for putting a large number of events on a single page?

>>7748403
Yeah. Don't.

>>7748166
>you're going to fail
I already did. That's why I don't care anymore. I'm in just for the joy of doing it

where do I upload my work if it has tons of nudity and maybe some gore?
its not porn, but there is lots of nudity and some sex and what not its also not edgy but maybe not super safe, maybe its a little gross, think like Lars von Trier or Suehiro Maruo
are there any sites that allow for more extreme work?

this is my first time doing comics,
pencilling is done.
how does it look ?

>>7748536
Artsy. Consider the intended length of your comic. This style can get tiresome to read if it goes on for far too long.

>>7747621
Your drawing is a shit

>>7748581
I'm confused - what's wrong with that anon's drawing? Looks like a normal drawing to me. What are you exactly expecting from random anons?

>>7737484
>do you do the sketch with the basic composition, and then wait as your assistants rush out into the world to take photos that fit with the composition?
generally you only do that for big stablishing shots and the like, if you look at most mangas, specially weekly ones, the spaces themselves are fairly vague using indistinct buildings and roads for cities so they can either photobash or just use 3d assets, and even then you still see mangakas going the way of setting fights with a lot of movement in barren rocky deserts or forests with identical repeating trees

>>7747647
Lol, no. They're stuffed animals.

>>7748496
I think the duck, comic fury, and mangadex are fine as long as they are tagged properly? Webtoons has the strictest censorship and taken down my chapters. No idea on global comix

first "manga" I ever drew. I was..heavily inspired by rurouni kenshin

I’ve never posted on /ic/ before. Is this general the best place to go on this website for someone interested in making comics?

Can't wait for AI to draw my comics for me. Fuck this tedious and unrewarding process.

>>7749189
It's worse getting ignored then, at the same time seeing people make surface level critiques on something way shittier

>>7748403
Make sure it's readable at a glance and flows well. Simpler drawings are better for this sort of thing.

私は今漫画ですか?

>>7749253
お前日本人がない

戦争犯罪?

>>7749168
Nice. Really like the art style. I think everything except arguably the faces work really well.

Is that new Japanese PM really pro-censorship or is it just a nothingburger? I think most anime actually suck and deserve to be removed but I am interested in Japan in-terms of publishing manga and do care when it comes to actual meaningful stuff like religion and politics instead of goonslop.

>>7749337
it sucks that japs have to choose between no censorship or kicking out browns
i'd pick her, since you can fix the censorship later, but unfuck a country with muslims and indians is near impossible

>>7749337
she looks like a junji ito monster

>>7749339
I'd rather Japan have no foreigners. Her relationship with Israel is concerning but Japan is America's bitch no matter what. The stuff I work on talks about sexuality and does have jokes about sexism but as long as they don't censor things based on political affiliation I'm hoping this new PM won't be an issue. Honestly less gooner shit seems a net positive.

>>7749169
I'd say yes, as long as you're genuinely at least halfway serious about trying to make a comic of some sort.

>>7749337
Unless Japan's Liberal party is way different than here in the US, she seems way more conservative despite being in the LDP. Very old-fashion Japanese and conservative in a lot of ways, but Japan really does have a sad problem with foreigners being destructive and disrespectful to a lot of historical sites and tourism spots. Its also pretty alarming that Japan wants to literally import like half a million pajeets into their workforce, so she'd probably be against that. Though, she also seems to want to overhaul the government and bring way more women in. Japan's open feminist movement has always been pushed down, but bringing way more women into politics might mean way more censorship or outright banning certain things in anime and manga.

>>7749337
>and do care when it comes to actual meaningful stuff like religion and politics instead of goonslop.
>>7749341
>Honestly less gooner shit seems a net positive.

I never understand this line of thought. When you applaud and invite things you don't like to get removed or censored, you allow it to slowly creep in to the things you do like. I'd rather nothing get censored even the things I don't like than see everything slowly eroded away, then suddenly you can't really express things in art anymore...

>>7749349
I'm concerned about the feminist bit. Women are reactionary creatures and unstable. Japan's secular nation and lack of a centralized authority figure now means that I don't feel like she'll restore Japan's cultural fabric.
>I never understand this line of thought. When you applaud and invite things you don't like to get removed or censored, you allow it to slowly creep in to the things you do like.
The speech I like here is completely non-violent and still heavily censored and out-right banned in other countries. I don't care about censoring my enemies for this reason. That being said I'd rather have freedom of speech for none because I think truth wins out regardless.

>>7749352
*freedom of speech over none.
I don't consider pornography art and never will, and if a movement takes over that truly defines art and beauty as truths that transcend the self I'd support it. I just don't trust a woman with no societal reigns to be that person and will probably just censor things at random.

>>7749341
>Honestly less gooner shit seems a net positive.
making it "illegal" will only make it worse
people will either find a way or vent in more destructive ways

>>7749355
>I don't consider pornography art and never will
Ok, but there again, who defines what "pornography" is? Is it sex? Is it penetration? Is it banning offensive or harmful stuff? Or will it be just any nudity? Will any harmless fanservice now not be allowed? Who defines this, and how?

THAT is the problem.

>>7749355
drinking soda isn't art either, but i don't want the government prohibiting me drinking it
it's an over reach of personal liberties

>>7749359
Given Japan's insanely low birth-rate I don't think there's much worse it can get. I'm also not even talking about JAV and how big the pornography industry outside of anime and manga is there. I don't think turning women into insufferable "independent" busy workers is the solution especially since that focus on industry is precisely why. Japanese youth's hope for the future is at an all-time low and is suicidal though.
>>7749362
Pornography is anything that treats sex as a commodity void of spiritual meaning to be sold and to be distributed purely for pleasure. Art by definition is vague and I agree that modern societies are ill-equipped to ban anything related to that subject. I'm terrified of this election victory in-terms of my own selfish desires and given how Donald Trump bowed down to mass immigration I don't see Japan magically breaking either.

>>7747860
p2
>>7749337
I want Ken Akamatsu as JP PM

>>7749365
The early Legend of Zelda inspirations are clear as day here. I really like it!

>>7749371
I never played zelda

>>7749372
Shocking. Does give early 80s cartoon aesthetics regardless and I still enjoy it.

>>7749370
>goblin shortstack
And just like that, youve gotten my attention

>>7749349
>Unless Japan's Liberal party is way different than here in the US
A lot of countries' "liberal" party have nothing at all to do with the US's concept of a "liberal" political leaning. Here in australia the "liberal" party is more like the American right.
And Japan's LDP is a lot of things. Did you know they've only lost a handful of elections since the end of WWII? Japan's democracy is more about electing who should be leading the party that always wins, not which party should win.

>>7749373
Old comics played a major role as inspiration together with old mangas with bold inking. Also I guess I drunk from the same font as zelda(medieval/ ancient Europe) so it makes sense

>>7749337
She said that she opposes mass migration, LGBT, China, and wants to promote the Japanese army rearmament to recover arms sovereignty, with respect to anime and that, nothing changes, even she played in a heavy metal band when she was young.

>>7749400
>Against China
Japan can't do shit to China and they are starting to outpace them in copying anime as well. It's hilarious how Japan constantly has to LARP about how it can stand up to China and Russia. The rest seems good. I think it's all overhyped and as long as she stays away from feminism garbage it'll be better than their awful current PM both for myself and for people actually living there.

>>7749406
Not him, but from what I read is more that she supports Taiwan as an independent entity rather than the facade that it is really just part of China.

>>7749408
Ultimately China doesn't want Taiwan to live under the same rules as mainland China because 90% of their chips come from their and all their cultural knowledge as well. Taiwan is the last place where authentic Chinese traditions can hold and this tug of war is ultimately theatrics. Good that they are focusing on that. Honestly reading more into it she seems to be pretty good in-terms and demands women change their last names upon marriage which I didn't expect from what I was told was a feminist. Maybe it's just a bunch of weebs malding.

>>7749412
>Maybe it's just a bunch of weebs malding.
I dunno, I think in this day and age a lot more people are looking at politics under a magnifying glass, since it feels like a lot more stuff is affecting a lot more people directly than it feels like it used to.

You were probably referring to me about the feminist remakes, but that was geared more at her openly wanting more women in Japanese politics, and me wondering if that could some day lead to more of a clamp down on Japanese entertainment. It wasn't malding, it was just a cautious concern.

And I even said that she seemed more old fashion Japanese, in that wanting less foreigners, more traditional marriage roles (her being against LGBTQ, and also wanting the wife to take the man's name), etc.

>>7749415
I'm so much less concerned given that I've viewed Japanese entertainment as mediocre to bad since the late 2000s. I was scared she was going to go full UK in Japan but being against vapid pornography isn't even a feminist position. More women in the workplace is sadly a position even Shinzo Abe held and it will continue to destroy Japanese fertility as their souls get drained and their lives continue to feel hollow.

>>7749406
She defends World War II war criminals, she supports a Nazi book 1994, and in 2011 took a photo with a leader of the Japanese Nazi Party. They're choosing her because they're desperate to prevent the globohomo agenda from ruining the country, not because they love her. It's true that she said she wants gender parity in the Japanese Congress on par with Nordic countries, but she's pro-family and all that, not so much because of feminism; in fact, she opposes a woman occupying the imperial throne.
All democratic Asian countries hate China, not so much Russia (that's a European problem), but they do hate China because it ruined trade and industries in the Pacific with the so-called "Silk Road." It's a commercial and military threat. If you thought only the US had problems with China, you're wrong.

>>7749412
She is not a feminist, she is a conservative, she just wants more women in political positions to have parity on par with Nordic countries. In Japan, the majority of political positions are men, they are behind according to her in that aspect, she is pro-family, she also opposes a woman occupying the imperial throne.

>>7736710
Continuing the https://tapas.io/episode/3659881 while not being busy growing cabbages.
I'll reorder the whole affair and post it on https://bunnyseries.the-comic.org/ next year, and the year after that. The three people who read this thing are excited.

You are stuck on an island but can have 1 manga to read. What is it?

>>7749554
Dragonball Z. Use it to learn instant transmission and get out of there.

>>7749486
Honestly this genre is both not my cup of tea nor can I really tell what is going on but good for you for using it to keep drawing.

I am making manga for a local contest and in the rules they demand A4 format with 300dpi for monochrome print. But shit turns out so pixelated I can cut myself on pixels. I am a newbie and never made anything for print, just digital. I read on forums that you need to draw upscaled with bigger canvas and dpi, but what the fuck is the difference if it will be printed with 300dpi anyway? Extra pixels won't magically appear. Am I retarded? Are the organizers retarded? I looked at previous contest works and they are definitely at least 600dpi and some are not even monochrome but grayscale. I feel like I'll be the only dumbass who actually follows the rules and will suffer for it lol

Anybody know how to find this screen tone effect online? Ive seen it in alot of manga, and wanna use it on some pages ill post here soon

https://mangadex.org/chapter/e28d399c-0950-4f0f-a7d6-aa49df61f8ed/34

>>7748581
I will try to get better cat-sensei

>>7749418
Sounds based to me. As long as she kicks the gaijin out.

>>7749867
My worry/concern is that nothing will happen to alleviate WHY nobody has time to have kids and raise a family, etc. Nobody is willing to force (and I mean FORCE) japanese companies to stop piling on pointless busywork for all the salarymen simply because "it's always been done this way" along with not being able to leave until their superiors leave because otherwise that's losing face (and it's only compounded further because bosses are waiting for THEIR bosses to leave too)..... only to be followed by 2-3 hours of "voluntary" sake-drinking with the salaryman's boss and coworkers. Who the fuck has the energy to do anything after all of that let alone actually start a family with all the work that entails, week after week after week?

>>7749921
They won't solve it. Neither did Shinzo Abe understand this and wanted women to join in on the misery. The solution still isn't to turn Japan into India. I'd rather them get turned into a ghost island or replaced by South East Asia than be turned into another India. Or just let Japan get conquered and be turned into Taiwan like it functionally is already.

Population decline is only a problem for the money class who want to exploit labor and depress wages. Most things can be automated, but his means the things that cant will demand higher wages, and in turn give the labor class more leverage and independence, which the investor class wants to prevent at all costs.

>>7749921
I think an equally big issue is housing. Who wants to have a child in a tiny apartment barely fit for 2 people? Corporations are buying up land and turning society into a modern fiefdom. This is also becoming an issue in the west.

>>7749554
Golgo 13 and make a raft from the volumes.

>>7750396
There are endless cheap properties out in the villages and sticks, they just need to be willing to move out of the cities

>>7750396
Japan does not have that problem. They have more housing than families to be housed.

>>7750428
Good to know that the boomer class isn't as parasitic in Japan as they are in America and Europe.

I drew something today and it dispelled my recent depression. You know, it's funny how it brings me no pleasure at all to draw, but it does at least stave of the feeling of dread and frustration that follows periods of inactivity for me.

Don't understand people who hate drawing but do it anyway. I can't go an entire day without it. I have more sketchbooks filled and scrap paper covered in designs, sketches, panels and scenes than I can keep up with. Thousands of pages.

>>7751009
Things won't draw themselves. Can't get people to sit still long enough to do it for me.

>>7751009
There are some people who have very mistaken ideas about why people create and only seek some winning prize at the end like money or adoration, because they are disconnected from the process of creating. They project their greedy desires on greater artists who always loved art and fell into grandeur, people who hate the act of craft will never be artists, they will always fall short because the muses ignored them. If there are people who hate drawing now but still do it, it's not likely for long. It's usually this kind of person who decides to hell with the challenge of craft and resorts to image generation, and they are the only kinds who enjoy the fantasy of obtaining something they will never have in themselves.

>>7751009
I like drawing but was conditioned to hate it because it doesn't immediately get you money. Don't know how to break it especially since it actually could, though I don't really care if it does or doesn't.

>>7751009
and how many of those drawings are finished pieces?
>uhh w-well
thought so. Finishing things takes a chunk of mental energy from you.

>>7751096
Hundreds, easily. Why did you think someone who loves drawing never finishes anything? Projection?

>>7751115
well you said you draw in sketchbooks and scrap paper, that's not what I mean by finished piece. And I'm not trying to crab, just explaining why drawing could be exhausting to someone. Theres a difference between drawing designs for fun and trying to make something good that you want people to judge.

>>7751115
Not that anon, but I remember older threads on /ic/ where others would post all of their mountains of sketchbooks and almost none of them were finished. The anons who posted their collections admitted they couldn't sit still and finish pieces they would just automatically migrate to a new drawing. He's probably drawing from that.
>>7751009
I both hate and love drawing. It's a pain in the butt to get things down, but it's also that struggle I enjoy. A weird feeling.

>>7751169
There's a difference between completing a big project being exhausting, and disliking the act of drawing. Many anons here seem to hate picking up a pencil at all, but force themselves to do it, even when they don't seem to have a story to tell or an idea to get out.

>>7751175
>even when they don't seem to have a story to tell or an idea to get out
Those anons exist but they do seem to peter out rather fast since there wasn't a lot of gas in the tank to begin with. The rest of us are too autisti- uh, "creatively inspired" from our worldbuilding to stop.

>>7751175
I'm the opposite. I have a story to get out but my drawing skills need work to get to the level and since I'm extremely one-tracked and cannot draw outside of this one project which means I lose motivation to practice when I'm not directly drawing for it.

>>7751220
Damn are you me? I have the same issue lol.

>>7751009
Some people do things they don't want to do to achieve a goal they wanted. I want a clean toilet, but I do not want to clean the toilet. I want money, but I don't want to work. I don't want to cook, but it would be a shame to waste the ingredients I bought.

>>7751175
I hate drawing but the only reason I have to force myself to do it is because I have stories to tell and ideas to get out.

>>7751388
Seriously fuck drawing. The ideal situation is I sketch something out, feed it into AI, and it draws everything for me set to the style I want.

>>7751415
Disgusting

>>7751417
shutup old man, the future is coming

>>7751349
Maybe. It's a chore to do Inktober and I feel frustrated but I hope things will just click and I'll find a use for this.

>>7751420
>two more weeks saar

New thread can be found at:
>>7751494