Thread 7742785

I don't need to care about money and the economy is shit. I just want to get better at drawing for its own sake and going to a dedicated school seems like I'll be able to focus on it. What are the best ones in US and Canada?

Lmao, they won’t admit you if you can’t draw.

>>7742830
isn't art schools exists to teach you how to draw?

>>7742830
I can draw. Though I still have much to improve on and the desire to do so.

Lyme academy or whatever its called
id go there t. europoor

>>7742982
Hey, I went there back when it was a college. Good shit, shame a lot of the old staff seem to be longer be involved, especially the illustration department guys.

>>7742987
Seems pretty solid. Does having a degree in a university help in-terms of getting admitted or was that mostly just a waste of my time and my chances of being admitted are basically the same as everyone else? I took a few art classes for extra curriculum.

>>7743010
I don't really know what if any admissions procedures they have now desu. It might just be first come first serve.

>>7743024
I see. That's what I'm most worried about is even getting in these schools because I've never really applied. Apparently it's different than standard universities.

>>7742947
a lot of the fundies and millage should have been developed when you were a kid
you can learn to draw by yourself at least to a certain level depending on your motivation.
if you draw worse than a child, it just shows the schools you lack the motivation and aren't worth their time when they have lots of other applicants who give more of a shit than you

>>7743068
Do you need to bring a portfolio or something? Sketch in front of them? I'm curious.

>>7743202
portfolio, i don't think most staff has the time to do meetings where you're requested to perform
sometimes even sketches can be fine with minimum "finished" work, always helps to have studies
obviously gaps in your skills are to be expected, its still a school. but when lots of people are applying to the same schools, they're gonna have to cut people who have the least chance to give their school a good graduate to show off

>>7742978
Wow you can really draw. Definitely take out as many student loans as you can and find the most prestigious school! Looking forward to your galleries

>>7743275
>I don't need to care about money
>I just want to get better at drawing for its own sake
I know reading is hard for you but practice makes perfect.

>>7742785 (OP)
>I just want to get better at drawing
Then why would you go to art school?
Hire a tutor.

>>7742785 (OP)
You want to go to an art academy or atelier, they'll actually teach you how to draw. Most modern art schools only care about expressing yourself, not about developing your drawing or painting skills.

>>7743311
name a single good artist out of Watts who wasn't already talented going in. No seriously.

>>7742785 (OP)
Any reputable animation school. Calarts still makes really good draftsmen despite the meme, or Gobelins or wherever Rembert Montald went if you are in Europe.

>>7743305
at least dick sucking sculpture could get some laughs, what was the point of le dragon?

>>7743311
I'm unfamiliar about this. I've heard it's true with many art schools but I assumed those were specific courses you could (mostly) avoid.
>>7743368
There are some decent animation schools near here. I'm not looking into this for money but if I could miraculously actually get money from this I would be noticeably more fulfilled.

>>7743553
>I've heard it's true with many art schools but I assumed those were specific courses you could (mostly) avoid.
You'd be surprised how common it is, even schools more focused towards illustration rather than fine arts. I went to a portfolio day and shopped my portfolio of mostly life drawings around, and several schools said they don't even do life drawing; most said it was more life drawing than they required in a portfolio. Many schools don't focus on practical skills. The easiest way to evaluate a school is to look at the teaching faculty and see what their work is; you'll probably see a lot of names you've never seen anywhere else, because their work is middling at best.
When I was talking with one of the older illustration professors at Lyme, he said in the 60s when he'd gone to college they had basically completely phased out any sort of skill based drawing and he'd had to learn everything himself, more or less. Unfortunately many schools are still like that.

>>7743571
Life drawing is expensive for schools so it makes sense they’d cut it long before they cut BS like “cultural interpretations of fiber arts”.

Back in my day, students would pool resources and hire a model themselves (weekends mostly). But if you’re gonna do that what’s the point of tuition?

>>7743305
This would be cheaper than school but OP could get scammed by a nodraw.
>>7742830
No, they admit people who can already draw some and let them teach themselves and provide hours or a physical space to get the work done.
Don’t believe the hiring statistics either. Schools hire graduates on a part time basis to inflate those.

>>7743598
>Back in my day, students would pool resources and hire a model themselves
You know you don't have to draw live models all the time?

>>7743600
If “weekends” is “all the time” I don’t know what to tell you. It was, at most, two to four more hours of drawing each week. Not enough to interfere with the mountains of car art due each week.

So much vellum, so much chalk. And those stupid “verithin” pencils.

>>7742987
>>7743057
The old Lyme Academy you went to is different from the new one. I think old Lyme went bankrupt around 2020 or a bit before, and it's been revamped with a new director (two, actually, husband and wife) recently. It's more like a traditional atelier now than a university. Definitely very talented teachers, and it looks like the students actually learn art instead of the garbage taught at art schools. Another one to check out is Grand Central Atelier, probably the best place to study in the western world.

>>7742785 (OP)
Colleen Barry has just published a substack article on this topic, would love it if someone paid for it and shared it somehow (archive.is? share the pdf on gofile?).
>https://modernagepainting.substack.com/p/what-is-a-fine-arts-education
Her whole substack is pretty good if you're into actual art and not contemporary drivel. She's the Drawing Director at Grand Central Atelier, probably the best place to pick up some real art skills today (tuition is only $13k/year, but cost of living in NYC is high). Check out their instagram to see student work and judge for yourself.
The only downside to GCA is you spend 80% of your time drawing/painting *people of color*. They go a bit overboard with the whole diversity thing...

>>7743026
Kek

>>7742947
Did you not learn in gradeschool? When I was in school you could choose either band, or art. Band obviously you learned an instrument and music, in the art track you learned drawing, painting, sculpture, etc.

Art schools are places for rich people to roleplay. Tryhards like you would only get bullied.
They are all folding to Ai anyway.

>>7742947
In theory. But nowadays most are grifts with talentless teachers who just want to take already good artists and polish them a bit, then take all the credit for their skill.

>>7742785 (OP)
For anyone seeking paid education in art, there's only 2 options worth your time and money: mentors, and small-sized ateliers/academies that work directly with you at your skill level.
If they ask for portfolio and only let you in if you are already good, red flag.
If their classes are like 20-30 people with standarized teaching for everyone, red flag.
AI in the curriculum? absolute red flag.

>>7743613
>spend 80% of your time drawing/painting *people of color*.
Imagine paying money to do this

>>7742830
Kind of interesting how I was considered a good artist before getting into art school but looking back, I really sucked back then. Even though that portfolio got me into art school. I think just want people who have enough interest and aren’t just daydreaming

>>7742785 (OP)
>pic
I think I red a doujin like this

>>7743305
Sculpture is a perfect representation of artists while the dragon is just there to show off, honestly whoever put those two together is the real artist.

>>7743598
>Life drawing is expensive for schools so it makes sense they’d cut it long before they cut BS like “cultural interpretations of fiber arts”.
Yeah, but they didn't cut it because of expense. They cut it because "fine" artists look down their nose at skill based drawing and "commercial" art.

>>7742785 (OP)
AHAHAHA OH NONONONONO

>>7743397
To get a cope "that's cool"s I guess, I don't see much point honestly.

>>7744111
having a pro artist shittily depict your beg drawing is the moggiest of mogs

>>7743608
It is different, for sure. A lot of the staff from when it was a college were quite good - Peter Zallinger's perspective class was beastly - but they didn't return for whatever reason(Zallinger is old af so him retiring makes sense, at least).

>>7744180
>Peter Zallinger
I think old Lyme was more in the illustrtation/commercial design vein, whereas now Lyme is going hard for fine art. Not shitty contemporary art, but rather skill based, trad method fine art. Drawing and painting from life, charcoal and oil paint.

>>7742947
this is like saying
>don't conservatories of music exist to teach you how to play music
yes, there's a baseline of competency that's expected, they're more for people who've already been doing the thing for years and looking to become a professionals and make connections.

>>7744222
It was pretty well split actually, and the fine art staff liked to snark about illustration when the illustration staff wasn't around. Except the sculptors, the sculptors were chill af.

>>7744292
there's something about sculptors. Painters can be little neurotic bitches, but I've rarely met a sculptor who wasn't chill as fuck. Maybe it's because they know they get even less attention from the general audience than painters do, so it tends to attract less narcisistic, egocentric people.

>>7743598
>This would be cheaper than school but OP could get scammed by a nodraw.
If there are actual ones that would be competent I wouldn't be against it at all. I'm not even looking for something insane just something to boost me up at least to a higher tier of /int/.
>>7743795
>>7743788
No way they actually use AI in curriculum? What an insane world we live in.
>>7743608
A place I should look into. I definitely need 6 months to a year of proper training to be comfortable assuming maximum efficiency but I want to be good at something that doesn't exist to drain the soul of millions of people.

>>7742785 (OP)
>atelier

Find an apprenticeship or artist you follow. Get the reps in.

>>7744853
Have you done an apprenticeship? It's a thought I had recently to ask a local artist near me. I've never seen any advertised online outside of expensive mentorships.

>>7742947
no, they exist to make people who can draw into professional artists
at that point someone interested in art should have a decade of art classes under their belt because they'd have chosen to pursue it at some point of prior education

>>7744813
>>No way they actually use AI in curriculum? What an insane world we live in.
I was looking into joining one April last year. Out of the 10 most well-known/worthwhile, 8 had introduced AI classes, ended up choosing one of the other 2.

>>7745043
>Out of the 10 most well-known/worthwhile
Are you talking about CalArts and those sort of places?

>>7743613
>tuition is only $13k/year
in-state tuition for state universities can be much lower than that, and in a lot of cases you don't even have to pay if you've been a state resident for long enough. For some people, a fine arts program at a state university might be the only option.

>>7745062
>>Are you talking about CalArts and those sort of places?
Yes, but forgot to mention I meant in my country/area, not the US. Still I heard the big US places also starting to try out AI classes anyway.

>>7745043
>>7745139
I don't actually hate CalArts and don't see them as different as any other animation medium but that's mostly because most animation sucks nowadays. If it teaches me fundamentals that's cool but I just don't expect them to focus on it much.

Does it really matter?

>>7742785 (OP)
Ummmmmmm why is it all adult women painting this young boy????

>>7749737
It's ok, they all take turns having sex with him afterword.

>>7749771
If only I was over a decade younger.