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Anonymous No.7744342 [Report] >>7744461 >>7744469 >>7744554 >>7744785 >>7745028 >>7746514 >>7749263 >>7753420 >>7754384
How good can you get in 1 month?
Anonymous No.7744345 [Report]
Very. Very. Very. Good. I've seen people go from prebeg to Miura level in one month.
Anonymous No.7744349 [Report]
Just draw 24 hours a day.
Anonymous No.7744350 [Report] >>7745242 >>7745614 >>7746808
bottom picture is not drawing albeit.
Anonymous No.7744461 [Report]
>>7744342 (OP)
if you aren't retarded and have proper guidance, probably the most gains you'll ever make.
Anonymous No.7744469 [Report] >>7744499 >>7744751 >>7745033 >>7745074 >>7745106
>>7744342 (OP)
Why is almost every thread catered to beginners? really makes you think
Anonymous No.7744499 [Report]
>>7744469
Probably because the vast majority of people involved in any given subject are most likely to be rank amateurs in all but a few exceptional cases.
Anonymous No.7744554 [Report] >>7744766 >>7744776 >>7745799 >>7754132 >>7754349 >>7754385 >>7754498
>>7744342 (OP)
I realized something about this kind of work.

They incorporated the "drawing on the right side of the brain" with "draw what you see, not what you think you see" to unwire the brains short hand method of symbol drawing. Doing so, you will see a notable improvment.

However, where people like this who unlock the right brain fail at is that they dont develope mechanical knowledge. Meaning, theyre able to now draw what they see, but they are not able to draw what they imagine, or create from scratch. That requires actual study, and mechanical knowledge of human anatomy. Otherwise, theyre just copying a photo.
Anonymous No.7744751 [Report]
>>7744469
all the pros ascended and stopped posting here
Anonymous No.7744766 [Report] >>7744812
>>7744554
nigga, how do you study without killing your symbol drawing first? observation and copy is the very first step, thats how you learn all things. everything afterwards is just repetition and grinding.
Anonymous No.7744776 [Report] >>7744812
>>7744554
things like construction are impossible when you can't even figure out simple things like how big or what distance different parts of the body are from each other in a reference
Anonymous No.7744785 [Report]
>>7744342 (OP)
You have to stop thinking in terms of months and instead replace that with years.
Becoming good at drawing takes time and you have to be patient, structured and most of all put in the hour and effort.

If your goal is to improve you have to figure out where you want to go and plot out a realistic way to get there. Here is where trial and error comes in. Finding what works best for you and how you improve the most. If you find that confusing I would consider some form of tutoring. If you don't have money for that then there's plenty of free options like youtube, ebooks etc. Even discussing with anons here to get your bearings. Getting familiar with lingo and terms.
Curiousity goes a long way when you're starting out.
Anonymous No.7744812 [Report] >>7745025
>>7744766
>>7744776
Yeah, after you break the symbol drawing short hand, you next step is to start the mechanical knowledge. With breaking the symbol drawing, you can grasp those shapes and forms without it crystalzing into a symbol, or at the very least, develope more complex symbols. Break free from it to control it. Drawing with both the left and right side.
Anonymous No.7745025 [Report] >>7745799
>>7744812
You're right, and that is the idea newbies need to grasp to start learning well.

Of course 90% of newbies will never come into contact with the ideas you are describing and just slam their heads against the wall and get little improvement. Just knowing of the concepts you describe is a super power that will kickstart you on the right track.
Anonymous No.7745028 [Report]
>>7744342 (OP)
drawing from observation -> drawing from memory -> drawing from imagination
That’s it.
Anonymous No.7745033 [Report]
>>7744469
spending too much time on /ic/ is bad for gains and brains
don't Stockholm syndrome @ me
Anonymous No.7745074 [Report] >>7745080
>>7744469
anyone who reaches int has no more reason to use this site
Anonymous No.7745080 [Report]
>>7745074
Speak for yourself. I'm shilling my course here.
Anonymous No.7745106 [Report] >>7745115
>>7744469
The Venn diagram of people who reg /ic/ and the people who are ngmi is a perfect circle
Anonymous No.7745115 [Report]
>>7745106
Holy crab, batman!
Anonymous No.7745178 [Report] >>7745223
i've considered this book but doesn't it advise to use viewfinder glasses? i already have to wear glasses
Anonymous No.7745223 [Report]
>>7745178
Always ready with the excuses.
Anonymous No.7745242 [Report]
>>7744350
Vilppu scum
Anonymous No.7745614 [Report]
>>7744350
oof
Anonymous No.7745635 [Report] >>7745791 >>7746802
well the bottom is a redrawing of a photo. Most important part of a drawing (translation of 3 dimentional objects into "2 dimentional" plane) is just not there as it was already done by a camera. This is step above doing a coloring book. You can cope and seethe however you want about it, but you know its true.
Anonymous No.7745791 [Report]
>>7745635
normies dont care about that, they just wanna see something impressive.
Anonymous No.7745799 [Report] >>7745806
>>7745025
>Of course 90% of newbies will never come into contact with the ideas you are describing and just slam their heads against the wall and get little improvement. Just knowing of the concepts you describe is a super power that will kickstart you on the right track.
>>7744554
>However, where people like this who unlock the right brain fail at is that they dont develope mechanical knowledge. Meaning, theyre able to now draw what they see, but they are not able to draw what they imagine, or create from scratch. That requires actual study, and mechanical knowledge of human anatomy. Otherwise, theyre just copying a photo.
What? What is the difference?
If I am not getting it am I doomed?
PLEASE HELP ME AA
Anonymous No.7745806 [Report]
>>7745799
not being able to draw from imagination is how you get proko's kangaroo.
Anonymous No.7746514 [Report] >>7753342
>>7744342 (OP)
>How good can you get in 1 month?
this is not rage bait, but technically you can get good in a week if you spend full day while playing games and shitposting on drawing, week 2 is just a formality, after full month you only master your own style, digital painting ect.
Anonymous No.7746802 [Report] >>7751814
>>7745635
>Using a reference is le cheating
Sybau
Anonymous No.7746808 [Report]
>>7744350
zased
Anonymous No.7747085 [Report]
Hes just drawing from reference using observation skills. Ask this guy to draw an original image from his mind and itd look just like the first image.
Anonymous No.7749263 [Report] >>7751639 >>7751785
>>7744342 (OP)
Very good if you have talent. If you think talent isn't real, explain why the first thing they ask you to do in every drawing class is "draw what you see, not what you think you see"? Their only instruction is "just do the thing you're trying to learn to do lmao".
Anonymous No.7751639 [Report]
>>7749263
no
Anonymous No.7751785 [Report]
>>7749263
I've read up on the subject of talent. You're not totally wrong, "talent" is real, but there's a lot more to it. There's two types of drawing, observational and internalized drawing. Observations help build up internalized knowledge, visual libraries. To build up both, you'll need to study the objects you're trying to convey, otherwise you're going to make a Proko Kangaroo. Some people can translate geometric shapes into objects they haven't studied much, like Kim Jung Gi used to do when he was learning to draw, and place everything in perspective.
To examine this a little deeper; talent, in short, stems from positive associations from early childhood, plus a good memory. If you're above average intelligence, and you used to love drawing, but you haven't done so since childhood, you'll learn very rapidly. A month is not unrealistic for some, but those are exceptions and are not the norm. 4-6 months is more likely for anyone putting in the effort with average to above average intelligence.
Intelligence plus affinity (early childhood associations) is the two most likely causes of talent.
That's also why a 10 year old kid with an IQ of 120 will learn to spell and pronounce "category" instantly after reading it once without ever having read the word beforehand, but a person with mental retardation will possibly never be able to do so without some serious effort.
To outside observers, talent is buzzword jargon for people that don't put in effort. Anyone can learn to draw, but intelligence determine how fast, like with anything. It's not that difficult to understand, but people get self conscious about their lack of intelligence.
Anonymous No.7751814 [Report]
>>7746802
There's a difference between using a reference and copying 1/1 from an image
Anonymous No.7753342 [Report]
>>7746514
What are the methods to develop to get good in a week? If such a thing you say is even possible?
Anonymous No.7753420 [Report] >>7753448
>>7744342 (OP)
this book unironically helped me tho. also Understanding Comics by scott mccloud was a good read for learning about art in general.
Anonymous No.7753448 [Report] >>7753851 >>7754017
>>7753420
What are the key points of the book? I tried reading it and it just sounded like overly long pseud bullshit.
Anonymous No.7753851 [Report] >>7754079
>>7753448
Drawing is too hard, so give up on it and paint instead. That's the only real lesson in the book, and the secret behind all the "improvement" people who use it undergo. Naturally someone's first line drawing is going to look a whole lot worse than their first painting/value drawing, because the latter is dramatically easier.
Anonymous No.7753896 [Report] >>7754211
to me copying isn't really much of an indicator of true skill. Why? When I was like 11 I was "drawing" better than most of you, but it was just copying from reference
Anonymous No.7754017 [Report]
>>7753448
>pseud bullshit
just do some of the drawing exercises until something clicks. then move to another lesson. you don't need to deconstruct why the book is malarkey.
Anonymous No.7754079 [Report]
>>7753851
Nta, but do you know where or how can I learn to make painterly things with digital?
Anonymous No.7754132 [Report]
>>7744554
you talk as if these people are stuck once they "unlock" the right side of the brain
like they can't learn anything else afterwards
its a book you can finish in a month or sooner, do the fucking book and stop coping
Anonymous No.7754211 [Report] >>7754215
>>7753896
This, could output a photorealistic drawing with 90% accuracy but take away the reference and I couldn't come up with shit besides same childish cartoons and anime.

Essentially the same as rote memorization in school for exams, useless.
Anonymous No.7754215 [Report]
>>7754211
can we see your copies?
Anonymous No.7754349 [Report]
>>7744554
Holy massive cope of a paragraph. They improved faster and better than any advice on this board.
Anonymous No.7754384 [Report]
>>7744342 (OP)
Some drawing methods works well with some people more than others. You just gotta try and see whether it meshes well with your line of thinking or not
Anonymous No.7754385 [Report]
>>7744554
>people improve in other aspects
>"uhmm ackshually these people don't realize it's a trap for them in le futuuure!"
Holy crabbing at its finest
Anonymous No.7754498 [Report]
>>7744554
if that post is to be believed, it's a month apart. chill bruh. no shit they haven't mastered complex anatomical knowledge in a month