Thread 7755084

I don't think we have anything to worry about, long-term. Just keep gitting gud.

>>7755084 (OP)
I have catastrophe fatigue.

>>7755084 (OP)
is this guy usually wrong or right i genuinely dont keep up someone tell me

is jeff bezos that bad, at least out of the billioniares he d oesnt come across as annoying as ellen musty, suckerberg or altmen

>>7755084 (OP)
I mean Jeff Bezos is right about many things. Like >>7755090 when their customer service phone lines need improvement, his customer service department rep counters that it's actually better by presenting the data that the time taken on average is bout 60 seconds or something. Jeff Bezos himself dialed the customer service in front of them, and it turns out it took 10 minutes. So he proceeded into dating "if anecdotes and data disagrees, usually the anecdote is right. You're measuring the wrong data".

Maybe he sees it as just another pattern from his own experience.

>>7755105
Just because a billionaire is smart enough to avoid being a constant public figure(a lost art in recent years) doesnt mean the stuff they actually do is good

>>7755137
>dating
*saying
Fucking fat fingers on tiny keypad

>>7755084 (OP)
he's right. all these ai companies are pumping each other up by passing money around and getting investors hyped, but they haven't turned a profit and wont be able to for the foreseeable future.

>>7755140
not saying they're good, just wonder if the criticism is actually comparable to actual evil demons like the other 3. at most it's just "he treats workers badly"

>>7755084 (OP)
keep coping, A.I. will continue to thrive and you can't stop it

adapt or be left behind

>>7755145
what's going to stop it,

the government?
hackers?
solar flare?

it will continue to the future regard less of what you want it to see end up

>bro trust the billionaire with multiple mansion bunkers across the world whose interests go against the publics, I'm sure he'll tell us the truth
Stay still frogs, just let the pot do its thing.

>>7755190
>FINALLY make it after 10 years of trying
>great depression 2 electric boogaloo
>no one has money anymore
>widespread famine
>people getting shanked for bread in the streets
>widespread disease
>at least you finally got good

>>7755190
>billionaire says the sky is blue, he must be wrong
You faggots are only capable of crying, because anything else either collapses or led to capatalism with extra steps. You won't do shit because there's nothing left to do.

>>7755207
bootlicker

>>7755183
>A.I. will continue to thrive
AI is not making money, and as a business, that's the opposite of thriving.
>what's going to stop it(?)
The not making money thing. It turns out business need to make money.

>>7755183
>what's going to stop it,
when shareholders realize they've been duped, they'll pull their money out and the whole thing will come crashing down.

>>7755224
Don't be dumb, the shareholders know exactly what's going on, that's why they're investing. It's a free money printer until the plug gets pulled and the last one holding the bag loses.

And if the past is anything to go by, that's going to be retail traders and the general public after all the big traders get bailed out by the government in some trillion dollar relief package.

>>7755229
if its an Obama economy, maybe, but we literally won't have the leverage for that now. This is going to be 1920s bad.

>>7755183
Those AI anime girls you generated all by yourself look so good! I'm very proud of you saar!

>>7755084 (OP)
we have a lot to worry about, that bubble is basically the entire US economy, AI affected the dollar more than all other factors put together. we're all fucked when it bursts

>>7755084 (OP)
what about all those anons that got broken because of AI, and gave up?
all those sites that got spammed with ai, and became almost unusable, damaged is done, sadly

>>7755285
>what about all those anons that got broken because of AI, and gave up?
And nothing of value was lost

>>7755183
>>7755145
>AI coming whether you like it or not luddite
>Adapt or be left behind
Why do AI bros always only say this and only this? The average pagan tribesman has more intellectual depth than them.
It's like the only weapon in their arsenal is FOMO and they're trying to pass their desperation onto others so their industry doesn't tank.

AI is based. Crying about AI is like crying about photoshop. No rules only tools.

>>7755294
that's just ignorant though. the strong-minded may not be talented and produce worthwhile work and the meek may have good potential. besides, look at those who rose to the top, mostly slop producers who actually wouldn't be missed if they were replaced by AI. given you need some mental toughness to make it anywhere but you're being disingenuous.

>>7755285
there is a lot more wrong with digital art and the modern art industry than just AI.
stalkers, paywall platforms being shit, the indie industry being garbage, general lack of interest in new and interesting art direction by hollywood, art schools being scams, the social media algorithm being ass, lack of good artist communities online, lack of good new IPs to inspire a new generation (I fear what the skibidi generation of artists would be like)... the list goes on.
the fix isn't that complicated though, as long as the artist cares about the art and there are people around him or her who support the works then people will get through it. microwave meals and fast food didn't kill off real cookery.

>>7755084 (OP)

I get it. It's massively demoralizing. You spend 5 years learning to render and some techbro generates your magnum opus in 30 seconds by typing "goth gf, big tiddy, Greg Rutkowski". The blackpill is hard to swallow.
But dropping the pencil entirely is peak retard-tier. You're thinking about it all wrong.

>You think drawing is a race to a finished product. It's not.
>It's literally rewiring your brain. You are forcing your monkey brain to observe the real world, break it down into forms, light, and shadow, and then reconstruct it.
>This is a fundamental problem-solving skill. It's applied visual literacy.
>You can storyboard an idea, design a chair, sketch a map for your buddies, explain a mechanism. You can think visually.

A promptcel can only describe things that already exist. He's a glorified image searcher. He has zero creative agency beyond the words he can type. He is a pure consumer.

The guy who can actually draw can look at a generated image and say "the perspective is fucked, the anatomy is impossible, the lighting makes no sense". He can fix it. He can use the AI as a tool for a single layer, then paint over it, photobash it, and turn a soulless generation into something with intent.
Stop thinking of drawing as a job that a robot is going to take. Start thinking of it as a fundamental human skill, like being able to cook or fix a leaky faucet. It makes you more capable and less dependent on the machine.
Stop seething and go fill a page in your sketchbook. It's brain training for the apocalypse.

>>7755090
it doesn't matter if he's right or not. It's obvious that AI is a bubble like the 00s one. Bunch of tech grifters pumping each other and lying to investors about what AI can do when it really can't. They've been saying for 2+ years that their internal models have reached sentience and other crap, yet none of their released updates since have shown any worthwhile improvements. There's also 5 gorillion companies all trying to cash in on the trend.

I don't think AI will die nor go away, but it's going to implode within 5 years and bite a lot of people.

>>7755326
>>It's like the only weapon in their arsenal is FOMO and they're trying to pass their desperation onto others so their industry doesn't tank.
That's exactly it, and it's the same shit all AI CEOs are doing to investors. All these LLMs cost a billion gorillion dollars to develop and maintain, and are basically making 0 money. Their only hope of survival is to make as many people as possible entirely dependent on them to function, so when they turn around and make them a paid service, they have no option but to shell out. If tomorrow GPT became paid, it'd lose 99% of its users, that's why they are pushing hard to make everyone retarded and rely on GPT to do their work or finish school assignments, so retard normies can't function in society without it.

>>7755356
>He can fix it. He can use the AI as a tool for a single layer, then paint over it, photobash it, and turn a soulless generation into something with intent.

I disagree, it cannot be used by as a tool, it goes against what a piece of art is.

>>7755370
>>7755356
Forgot to add. That's just gigacope from turboshitters like you that need 40 lines of paragraphs on why it's demoralizing and why it can be used as a tool.

That's all, i think you are a bitch.

I love my electricity costing 5 times for no reason!

>>7755415
That's due to carbon taxes from the climate change hoax. AI is a bubble, don't pay attention to it. Everything is fine.

>>7755416
Ah yes, I shall ignore my country setting up projects to increase generation by 20% annual use where it directly quotes growing datacenter needs!

>>7755183
>the loudest proponent of AIslop is also the least capable of using them effectively
What is this phenomenon called?

>>7755280
That's the only thing I am concerned about with AI. Hitler Mario costed tech bros billions of dollars to create amd and they keep burning money to force it into being a thing. I'd still say that AI is just advanced pattern recognition than actually makinf anything though.

>>7755431
Governments are now forcing multiple sectors to use AI, it's not only art and education now, shame it's kinda worthless, if everyone can make a thesis with AI then the thesis are worthless. We were promised robots, curing diseases, robo waifus and helping Elon Shart not die in poe2. Instead we got reddit slop everywhere and online companies getting bankrupted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQEOMgdzBI4

>>7755105
Isn’t amazon the one that made the wage cage

>>7755356

Are you a fucking bot, everything in this post reads like a LMMTard Bot, Nothing makes fucking sense here, you say that AI art is demoralizing then say

>"He can fix it. He can use the AI as a tool for a single layer, then paint over it, photobash it, and turn a soulless generation into something with intent."

Like what the actual fuck? Is your LMM Brain retarded or something? AI cannot make art with intent. This post makes no fucking sense. Im starting to think none of you are real anymore and im red pilled

>>7755447
Yup. Except I would extend it from governments to stupid people, and since stupid people are everywhere slop is spreading like a fungus.
Come to think of it, the sentence “AI will kill us” has the same meaning as “bleach will kill you”. It’s an inanimate object on the shelf, you have to actively ingest it to harm you.

>>7755362
But making everyone in society a bumbling retard monkey is imprudent, isn't it? They're trying to take money from people who aren't productive because of their own doing. If the consumer masses become fleshbags who have no worth outside of being AI beggers, why don't they just use AI and skip the human part? You can't take someone whose worth nothing, can you?
What's their endgame? Did they even think it through? American companies are notoriously short sighted in that regard. Perhaps there will be a great economic change when everyone becomes drooling retards who can't contribute anything? Maybe the fleshbags will function as good batteries lol.

>>7755447
>>7755473
I don't get why they're trying to push ai onto multiple sectors. What do the government have to gain by forcing this? An agenda to save the economy and stop the bubble from popping? What kind of future are they trying to build?

>>7755485
When people are telling you that its the future after they spent billions of dollars on the tech, the tech illiterate politicians are gonna think the tech is valuable

>>7755477
You dense motherfucker. When will you come to the conclusion that LLMs have no intelligence? They can’t do anything. Businesses that install them are getting burned left and right. OpenAI recently published an admission themselves that hallucinations are mathematically unavoidable (probably to pivot over to some grand regulation later). It’s a fucking scam to resell the knowledge already present on the Internet back to you. The dumbing down comes from the fact that chatbot consumers just go on autopilot because they get an electronic buddy that agrees with them. It’s literally a websearch that structures its responses as if it's having a discussion with you.

>>7755487
>Second Stage of Grief: Anger

>>7755477
>What's their endgame? Did they even think it through? American companies are notoriously short sighted in that regard. Perhaps there will be a great economic change when everyone becomes drooling retards who can't contribute anything?
Every single CEO, especially in America nowadays don't have a growth mindset, only a "cash now as much as you can, someone later can eat up the consequences". They are crashing society to make as much money as possible now. If they can create a cattle dystopia great, if not they'll retreat to their bunkers in Hawaii with infinite resources while everyone else fucking dies.

>>7755084 (OP)
I don't use AI because it is of Satan. Also, I have yet to see an AI generation that I would include among my favorite works of art, and it's not even close.

>>7755084 (OP)
the amount of money wasted on machine learning data centers is insane. and all they produce currently are yellow tinted memes for retards. its a massive bubble that generates no profit. so the only reasonable explanation is training models and eventually using it for propaganda and excuse to attack population/crackdown on internet freedom of speech/anonymity. theyll demand digital IDs and censorship with laws against AI use for porn of people, etc. free AI use will be gone and only governments, etc will use paid options all while monitoring and digital control of internet finally secured.

>>7755137
>Jeff Bezos himself dialed the customer service in front of them, and it turns out it took 10 minutes.
Neat reality check

>>7755084 (OP)
I think if yo are good you can compete with AI. That said AI is very good and very cheap and will only get better, though the improvement might be somewhat more capped than originally feared.

I would not recommend this hobby as a career, though.

I still think they'll regulate AI until it's unusable at some point. Not to protect my rights or the environment, nobody gives a shit about that, but there's no way we plebs get to keep it once it actually works.

>>7755779
I doubt they're going to regulate it unless someone definitively wins the imaginary arms race. There's still too much cope potential in continuing to throw obscene amounts of money at it. Much of the hype has to do with being able to present it as a thing that's happening RIGHT NOW wow much future. Otherwise it'd be vaporware tech like fusion that no one cares about.

>>7755370
>it cannot be used by as a tool

It's never been designed as a tool, is the truth of it. It's not designed for artists and professionals to use. It's not like Photoshop or AutoCAD. It's for the higher ups who want to cut down their workforce. That's who they're selling AI to.

>>7755084 (OP)
oh no no no no ahahahahaa

>>7755183
So who are you stealing from this time?

call me paranoid, but I'm suspicious of everyone suddenly pointing out that the burst is imminent, it's like they want people pulling out
not in the sense that I think AI isn't a meme, but I don't understand the angle

>>7755105
A billionaire can never be good
Poor and money corrupts everyone

>>7755105
supposedly amazon working conditions are abysmal, like the delivery guys need to make 3 stops per minute with 3 addresses per stop on average
plus the media amazon produces is pure goyslop in a way that feels aggressive rather than following trends

>>7756171
everyone is saying its a bubble because it's impossible to ignore the economic reality of the situation where ai companies are being massively overvalued compared to their actual profits, of which 95% of them are in the red, ai companies know they're in a bubble but they say they can reach AGI before it bursts in which case the amount of money they'll make will be incalculable and the risk will have been worth it. it's a pretty horrible gamble to make and it's most likely just a lie to generate hype because they need constant infusions of venture capital to keep the party going.
when the dot com bubble burst, companies made things worse because of dumb loans to eachother, just incestuously passing money around to eachother like >>7755145
it kept the bubble going for another year, but the economic damage was made worse for it. when over half the current economy is just AI tech companies pumping eachother, we're talking about potentially millions of people's 401ks wiped out overnight. thousands of suicides, and the government will be forced to bail out the ai companies with the tax dollars of the people whose lives they ruined to keep it from spiraling any further out of control.

Normies won't give much of a fuck, AI gen is a novelty for them and if the AI bubble collapses it wont matter because they've already got their fill of meme spam. Only AI cultists that unironically think AI-waifus and one-click Hollywood caliber films are around the corner will be pissed. And Indians.
The real damage has already been done though, with models that can be run on local machines and custom trained with LoRA to rip off any existing artist. This is basically permanent brain damage to art. You will now never be able to tell if some beg-tier fraud is tracing/referencing AI, or doing shit like inpainting faces or have AI backgrounds that they blur to hide.
It's gonna take some Nuremberg trial level shit to bring these tech faggots and complacent legislators to their heel and I doubt that will happen.

>>7756345
>models that can be run on local machines and custom trained with LoRA to rip off any existing artist. This is basically permanent brain damage to art. You will now never be able to tell if some beg-tier fraud is tracing/referencing AI, or doing shit like inpainting faces or have AI backgrounds that they blur to hide.
This is based though. No rules only tools

>>7756212
>thousands of suicides
there were thousands of suicides just from the crypto dip two days ago from people losing all leveraged money
we're in for a ride if this goes tits up

>>7756345
>if the AI bubble collapses it wont matter
The bubble bursting would effectively delete everyone's savings.

>>7756380
It will only delete your savings if you bought into the Jewish stock market.
I didn’t do that because I don’t want my fortunes to be tied to the fortunes of megacorps that hate me.

>>7756452
Nigger, how do you think savings work? Everyone's 401k will be fucking gone.
There is literally no scenario in which you don't walk out of this poorer unless you literally have nothing to your name

>>7755105
All billionaires rape and drink the blood of children, so all of them are evil.

>>7756345
if the gov was competent and actually gave a shit about society they would just use the intel backdoors or whatever and they could use the to detect whenever some shitter was cooking up some ai fraudslop but they wont.

>>7755326
>Why do AI bros always only say this and only this?
Cause if you’ll notice, they’re unironic cultists - they’re literally recycling rapture jargon because they’re so mentally ill that they use AI as a phony god (which is also why they’ll rope themselves when the bubble pops)

>>7755084 (OP)
it's a bubble
in the same way the internet was once a bubble
but the internet did change everything
we'll see what the world looks like when this settles down

>>7755084 (OP)
>I don't think we have anything to worry about, long-term
We never did. DC comics just banned AI art forever and SoraAI 2 is already lobotomized by copyright restrictions.

>>7756997
>SoraAI 2 is already lobotomized by copyright restrictions.
Good riddance

>>7756997
>DC comics just banned AI art forever
The same way Magic the Gathering did?
Companies will say they won't do something... until they just decide that they'll do it anyway, because fuck their morals.

>>7755370
>it cannot be used by as a tool
Anything can be used as a tool. AI (whole category of technology, not just generative AI) can be considered a super tool that's capable of almost anything and can be adjusted for your needs
>it goes against what a piece of art is.
That's an okay opinion to have. I'm sure that the old masters would say the same thing about digital art in general despite millions of artists using that medium and considering their work to be authentic expressions of their human spirit.

>>7757034
>AI (whole category of technology, not just generative AI) can be considered a super tool that's capable of almost anything and can be adjusted for your needs

It can't. Let's say i want AI to do the flat on my line art by using the colors that i choose, it can't.

You are garbage, a failed artist and a scammer. Seethe and cope all you want, you will never be an artist, you will ALWAYS cry about talent, you will always be a low IQ retard.

>>7757144
>Let's say i want AI to do the flat on my line art by using the colors that i choose, it can't.
Your ignorance of technology is comical. CSP does that easily. You probably benefit from AI related technologies every day without even realizing it

>>7757167
>CSP does that easily.
It doesn't, it's extremely time consuming to do flats and basic shadows. You will never be an artist.

>>7757034
>capable of almost anything
Yet it still struggles to produce anything. Text generation straight up lies to you.

>>7757168
CSP does have a colorizer AI, but it's really fucking bad and still in beta.

I don't get why you would need this anyway, coloring doesn't take that long.

>>7756380
>investors greed playing around with funny money
>burst
>big gov heeelppp!

>>7755330
This anon gets the gist of it, but the most critical lacking, is the lack of integrity.

>>7755105
he's not annoying or too cringe inducing and doesnt fall into the weird cultist shit most billionares do but he also owns the company that came up with the wage cages so he's very much amoral

>>7755433
Indians

>>7755477
>But making everyone in society a bumbling retard monkey is imprudent, isn't it?
The less power you have over your life, the more power the government does. THINK, retard

>>7755084 (OP)
more concerned with llm slop in shows (I assume it's already being used heavily especially for scene transitions) because no one cares about good writing, than gen art being used in an anime anytime soon. Instagram models are likely going the way of the radio star.

>>7756347
>people actually think tracing AI is a bad thing
ngmi mindset

>>7757750
>Instagram models are likely going the way of the radio star.
wtf I love AI now

>>7756171
The sooner the bubble bursts, the less painful it will be. If your main business is selling people consumer crap, you want the inevitable recession to be as small and as short-lasting as possible.

Benefits of GenAI:
>silly memeslop
>companies can advertise more
Detriments of GenAI:
>ruined search engines
>political propaganda
>falsified evidence/bodycam footage
>blackmail/revenge porn
>AI CP
>hack artists
>fake news articles
>absolutely not being able to trust anything you see on the internet whatsoever even if it is “verified” footage from a “trusted” source

The AI bubble has popped for tech cultists who thought we’re all going to merge our consciousness and become superhuman. But the rest of the world was not ready for generative AI in the first place and we will suffer immensely for it.

>>7757920
True. Generative AI has been a net negative on humanity. The world would be better off without it. Anyone who disagrees is a grifter or a drooling idiot who simply doesn't want his gacha toy to be taken away.

>>7755183
It literally copypasted the exact same face in both pictures LMAO my sides
Keep FOMOposting, I'm not buying your bags, faggot

>>7757026
>Companies will say they won't do something... until they just decide that they'll do it anyway
Don't get me wrong, I don't trust companies either, they'll do anything for profit, including using AI art, but DC comics and other art companies won't use AI art because they can't own the art generated by AI.
>INB4
>AI art is fair use
Far too risky, and companies are averse to taking risks, there's a reason why OpenAI is censoring Sora 2 just days after its launch, most companies don't fuck with copyright.
>Picrel is extremely relevant

>>7757955
>fair use
>Far too risky
Here's a great example:
>Anthropic will pay $1.5 billion to settle a class-action lawsuit brought by authors who alleged the company used pirated copies of their books to train its AI, Claude,. The settlement, filed in a San Francisco federal court, is believed to be the largest copyright settlement in history and is considered a landmark case for AI and copyright law. Authors who opt in are eligible for a share of the fund, and the settlement includes provisions for destroying the datasets used and other requirements.

>>7757974
That's a funny case, the AI company wouldn't lost so much money if they did everything properly, like buy the books and maybe pay a license, idk, but they did what every other AI company did and trained their model on pirated copies on Libgen, TPB, etc so you can imagine how much money a bigger fish would lose on the same case, Meta would lost $22B+

>>7755183
This regurgitated sentence of "adapt or die" is so obnoxiously dishonest. You come on here, an art forum, implying that you're some kind of evolutionary adaptation of an artist. Implying becoming a lazy scammer instead of having integrity and practicing actual creativity is the natural progression of things. You're a parasitical midwit-bugman coming on here to spread your ideological beliefs, spreading doom and trying to convince actual artists that you and your moronic ilk are superior to us, thinking your opinion holds any sway here.
Akin to one of those employees at an indian call center calling up 70 year olds in order to scam them of their retirement money.
We like you even less than the normies do. And the majority of them already hate you. You're a piece of shit who's too mentally inept to think critically.
Just know your place promptnerd. We are not your peers - we are your superiors in the natural order of things. Get it right parasite.

>>7755183
>Just a few more trillion dollars, in 2 weeks we can start the 150 year countdown before you turn a profit.
It's a bubble at best, and the world's most successful con at worst, anon. Investors do not care about whatever gooner slop you like making.

>>7755433
They're called "marks"

>>7755285
I almost gave up. This shit unironically made me spiral into depression, when it exploded in popularity.
I wasn't really surprised about some Silicon Valley kikes trying to fuck over everyone to make a quick buck. I also kinda expected their hordes of mindbroken corpo slaves. I wasn't ready to see how the average person would react though. You can attribute AI zealotry to plain retardation and ignore the minority of tech chuds throwing hissyfits as their cognitive dissonances unravel in real time. But I really thought that the average guy you'd meet anywhere would have at least a wrinkle of appreciation for the monstrous amount of media they consume every day, given any thought to their favorite movies or books...
They don't. They don't give a shit.
They don't ask how the sausage is made, or by who. They don't care, they never did, they never will. They will put machine slop on the same level as historical masterpieces on their Twitter feed, like both equally (which means not at all) and scroll past both equally. They don't see anything wrong with boiling Ghibli masterpieces down into a formless soup and belch its mangled "aesthetics" on everything they see. If it looks cool, they will slurp it up, shit it out, and move on to the next thing.

AI came and soon it will go, but I won't forget, and you shouldn't either. Only you and a minuscule handful of enlightened retards who dared pick up a camera or a pen even have the ability to care at all. Make art for yourself, and no one else.

>>7755084 (OP)
.com was a bubble too, didn't stop it from being one of the most important assets of the modern world after the bubble popped

The bubble is purely economic, AI is there to stay, it's just that all the nothing burger grifting will calm down

>>7758082
>I really thought that the average guy you'd meet anywhere would have at least a wrinkle of appreciation for the monstrous amount of media they consume every day, given any thought to their favorite movies or books...
>They don't. They don't give a shit.
But they do care, that's part of why businesses aren't promoting their products as AI generated product, they know that consumers hate AI, only a loud minority of lazy UBI cultists and Investors love AI products and say AI is the future.
The other anon mentioned Magic, but that's the company using AI, the card players are doing witch hunts on MTG artists that use AI. Lots of people hate AI art with a burning passion.

>>7758099
MTG players are based, they should fuck AI artists in the ass for their bullshit. WoTC is a (((business))) so you can expect anything from them, from woke cards to AI art. Even Disnoy cards and Furfags are better than them and that's saying something.

>>7755183
Namaste sarr

>>7758099
>picrel
Finally something good starting to come out of AI. First people rebel against AI-slop, now they will ditch hand-made slop. I have no symapthy for artstation render-monkeys churning up endless merc wips, fantasy landscapes and sci-fi armors.

>>7755326
it's a script, they're not "bros" or anything, they're bots

>>7758099
>>7758153

This is good news. If AI will bring in a new age of originality instead of the stale, safe artstation slop people make I'm all for it.

A couple years back I thought I didn't like art anymore, that it was stale to me, until I realized that I was looking at generic "Hire me for your game pls" art instead of anything actually creative.

>>7756212
Do we know when the AI bubble is going to burst?

>>7758082
I feel similar. I feel like some of the "bots" i see are just drooling retards that are addicted to AI like drugs and cant help themselves but spam it everywhere, and want to reduce all media into 5 seconds of dopamine for some haha funny look at the ai animating someones elses work while using up a massive amount of water and energy, and money that tax payers will have to pay once the government tries to bail out the slop companies.
Part of it i feel like is consumer culture and disconnect from personal responsibility to the whole and people neglecting that there is actually another person on the other side that but instead they just treat everyone like a mcdonalds worker as mere means to an end, and this applies to everything not just art.

>>7755153
>most it's just "he treats workers badly"
You're on welfare aren't you

>>7758099
AI made certain art styles worthless

>>7757974
>destroying the datasets used
Did they trick a bunch of boomer lawyers or something, destroying the datasets does nothing, they need to destroy the models that learned on the data and redo them without the copyrighted data for anyone not opting in.

they're getting desperate

>>7755357
>Bunch of tech grifters pumping each other and lying to investors about what AI can do when it really can't.
your cope is fantastic, current grok can create full cgi characters without much effort, big tech is investing in development of this shit to push it to mass usage or industry usage so save money and cut corners and costs, nobody fucking need artists because they become too expensive and overdemanding

>>7758099
AI was trained with Artstation and similar art. Make no mistake, these """""""""artists"""""""" just photobashed people and painted over them, a lot of digital art was already mediocre, basically git gud or GTFO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2s8I6yBrxE

Also LOL LM AORIOFRIKROLROLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLXD!!!xD!

Make no mistake , Jeets are still going to be able to scam others with art and code because local models for the lesser but holy shit RIP large models

>>7759229
>current grok can create full cgi characters without much effort
>big tech is investing in development of this shit to push it to mass usage or industry usage
damn, it's over bros
ai can create full chin characters without much effort
as soon as big tech invests enough money to make it usable in uhm industry and at uhhhhhh scale, it will be over, they will be able to make full cgi characters without much effort in the industry

>>7759236
AI fags say that this obvious thing is a meme despite research from 2023 proving that it happens and now your link.
>https://www.anthropic.com/research/small-samples-poison

>>7758268
unless you can find a counterexample. im a fan of good arguments and not just reacting off of vibes, seems low intelligence
and i looked up the wage cage, its for working in a robotics heavy area to protect the workers
i think he did cheat on his wife or something though

>>7756463
Bro you didn’t buy gold and silver?

>>7756212
>AGI
Not possible unless you want to take the whole world and use all its resources solely for AI slop, and thinking people will just let every bit of resources used to survive be solely for it. they fed it the entire library of human knowlege and it still hallucinates because it has no grounding in reality as well as being a turing machine. The tech bros will just endup trying to create a more inefficient human simply due to resource usage

>>7759236
>this is what the average prooomptcel believes
lol
lmao even
Here's a (You) for the effort of holding shift for those quotes

>>7759294
Sar malding

>>7759294
>pop

>>7758241
it can go on indefinitely as long as they can convince people to continue to invest in the promise of it.
passing around the money is good for giving off the impression of good economic activity and raising stock prices, but internally these companies are having to spend some of it on internal upkeep costs like building infrastructure and paying salaries.
as long as there's enough hype that investors pump them with enough money to offset these costs it's not a problem. but once they come up a bit short the whole thing collapses like a house of cards.

>>7759260
you can't convince them because they'll just prompt their AI to ask why it's not true, and then it'll say
>yes, you're so perceptive to understand that this is not true, let me break down why you're right,
because it's designed to suck you off like that.

>>7759421
Just let them get psychosis and then they will use it alot less. Happened to me. If most search engines didnt become near unusable alot of the AI would lose more ground.

>>7755105
Musk is great. You're just a leftard tranny.

>>7755084 (OP)
Every time i see some faggot youtuber talk about AI, they always become a stealth advertisement for it
"OMG ai advanced so much from the last x amount of years, isn't that scary?"
Ai should never be praised or endorsed. It's a drain on the environment, makes no money and causes my electric bill to go up

>>7755084 (OP)
>AI is not a bubble
>people make slop instead of paying artists
>AI is a bubble
>world economy does a backflip and everyone is on survival mode instead of paying artists
Genuinely looks like a rough time one way or the other anons... I'm still drawing but I'm scared

When they say "AI is a bubble" it doesn't mean AI will fail or is bad. The new race for AI supremacy is akin to the nuclear arms race of the cold war, except we're competing with China now.

The "bubble" is for investors, because right now there are multiple competitors for the position of THE AI company of the US. Having multiple companies competing for resources will only slow down AI's development, meaning China will take the lead. Once the government hand picks their golden child, the bubble pops for the wrong investors, but technology will boom. It's up to our elite overlords whether we're allowed to receive any trickle down prosperity though.

So if you think "AI will disappear so I don't have to worry about it", you are only going to hurt yourself in the long run. Either learn to work with the tools, or accept that everyone else will and you'll have to deal with whatever the setbacks are.

>>7755183
I dunno why the pajeet meme stuck so hard, you probably aren't a pajeet. AI is advancing exponentially, are they saying pajeets are that smart? Maybe india is number 1 super power.

>>7761936
>AI is advancing exponentially
source? it's plateauing as fuck. or do you mean its electricity use, cause that one's true.
also, when you say ai, what exactly are you referencing, since there's a whole zoo of different tech and algos.

>>7761936
>I dunno why the pajeet meme stuck so hard,
Basic pattern recognition, including stuff like: latest tech shilling, broken english, thinking india is anything but a literal fecal hole full of "people" dumber than monkeys.

I can assure you that generative AI will make things much worse. You can't stop this beast, the best you can do is plan ahead
>>7758082
>chud
Take your SSRIs, trannyscum

>>7761924
>When they say "AI is a bubble" it doesn't mean AI will fail or is bad.
Sure, but it appears part of the reason investors have gotten jumpy is that it doesn't seem the current method of AI development is going to produce an actual AI (General Artificial Intelligence), nor does it appear that the AIs produced so far are as useful for businesses, or reducing the amount of work (and therefore pay) needed.

Studies have apparently shown that AI has had no significant impact on any particular industry, and industries where AI was thought to be a major productivity booster, it has been found to have been somewhat detrimental (with AI causing major issues in customer service, or with AI programming needing extra care in debugging) and essentially washing any time or money saved via the use of AI.

Granted, I haven't seen/heard of studies about the creative industries in particular, nor do I know the future - AI really could have a break through and really surprise us, but I've been saying for some time that it's not really improving, so much as its use cases are widening, and I feel I've been right in that regard.
AI development has likely hit a wall, and either development is going to slow down to a crawl (especially when this financial bubble pops), or they change tact completely and go for a new development method, essentially restarting from scratch.
Whether or not they can make what they've already developed profitable is an issue though, because most of just isn't, and it's questionable whether the few that are will remain so, or if it's just a trend that will eventually peter out.

But what do I know? I'm just some dumbass doodler.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KFhA2-vXlk

get that ass banned

>>7762092
>part of the reason investors have gotten jumpy is that it doesn't seem the current method of AI development is going to produce an actual AI (General Artificial Intelligence)
This isn't correct. AIG has been the focus in AI research, and it's the sole reason hedge funds and billionaires are pouring their money into betting on particular horses. At openAI there's a cutting edge in-house AI model that's way more capable than the one the public is privy to. It's not a matter of "if", but "when".

>nor does it appear that the AIs produced so far are as useful for businesses, or reducing the amount of work (and therefore pay) needed.
>Studies have apparently shown that AI has had no significant impact on any particular industry,
It absolutely has affected industries, you can hear stories of it from many different people who've had their jobs or pay affected. Just for artists alone, photobashing AI effectively reduces workload, and we've caught it being done multiple times in products from major companies like Acti/Blizzard. The job impact isn't on a significant enough scale that people are picketing, but that's for NOW.

>but I've been saying for some time that it's not really improving
The capabilities of AI programs just in art alone has advanced every year. It used to be just proompting, but we have online tools that can identify and draw from contours in your sketch, do detailed inpainting, with greater accuracy/specificity with custom models.

I urge everyone to stop discounting AI's impact on our futures and dismissing it as "a bubble". We need to galvanize through our anxiety and worry. Don't be placated, rabble rouse, call your politicians when new laws are passed to make sure they know we understand our livelihoods are at risk. If we are too complacent, there is a future where we experience the second great depression as the elites reap all the benefits of AI from their mansion bunkers while we fight for scraps in a hellscape.

>>7758153
I only have no sympathy for the average patreon pinup slop artists. Just draw whatever that's popular, make their asses bigger, slap your patreon handle and post. Repeat everyday. Hardworking maybe but not really genuine. Prooomptcel doing this exact same thing is another problem.

>>7758153
>>7758211
>>7763120
Holy fucking same. I've hated scaleslop, contextless concept shart and rendermaxxed slackjawed women for ages and AI showing up to curbstomp them and make them all gay and lame is one of the few good things to come out of this saga

>>7755084 (OP)
>>can't compete with AI
yeah it's a bubble

fucking billionaire cunt, his ex-wife is funding left wings projects that will accelerate our demise, fuck those demons

saars ITT trying to push AI

>>7761050
That's actually a compliment. I'd rather be a leftist tranny than a cuckservative cum slorping retard.

>>7763024
>It's not a matter of "if", but "when".
Righto nastrodamaus, I'll believe it when I see it. So far, I'm very unimpressed.

>It absolutely has affected industries
Oh?
>The job impact isn't on a significant enough scale
Hmm.
And this is despite the fact that industries have been pushing it hard?
>Just for artists alone, photobashing AI effectively reduces workload
Given the studies that say that it hasn't reduced workload, there's likely a lot of faffing about trying to prompt the perfect image to photobash from, rather than simply going for it. Some use cases, regardless, doesn't mean it's a viable product - at least in the way it's working now.

>The capabilities of AI programs just in art alone has advanced every year.
I disagree.
>but we have online tools that can identify and draw from contours in your sketch
I spoke about how they are mostly finding new ways to use the same tech, and this would be part of it... except img2img has been around for ages now.
>do detailed inpainting
Same with inpainting...
>with greater accuracy/specificity with custom models.
I'm sure it's gotten more accurate, but even custom models have been around for ages.

>We need to galvanize through our anxiety and worry. Don't be placated, rabble rouse, call your politicians...
I must admit, your comment went in a different way than I was expecting at the end. Regardless, I'm not worried, nor am I convinced it has gotten better, or will.
However, I do agree with contacting politicians regardless, not just for the theoretical dangers of a sudden leap in AI/robotic tech and what it'd do to society economically, but I also think government needs to start protecting our cultures; I don't want to see fucking AI written books, or AI illustrations within them, or AI 'artworks' in galleries, or even AI commercials.
In the same way too much immigration can destroy culture, the cultural blender that is AI can do the same.

>>7763393
Based

>>7761936
you know why, akshit

>>7765681
hmmmmmmm

>>7765682
>The more Indians, the more brown
Did the 'poo in the loo' campaign fail that bad?

>>7765696
https://youtu.be/s6Lznha9EQ0
5 more years
tick tock britishers

>>7765682
>My country is in gray
Feels good man.

>>7765717
That just means your country's too lazy to count them, they're everywhere.
t. greyfag

>>7755084 (OP)
you're not immortal

>>7765715
>"So many white servants"
>"wow so clean"
>Has white people harassing indians for business
>Has white people begging from indians on the streets
It's oddly self deprecating for indians, isn't it?

>>7755217
>>7755224
>>7758070
Yes, it is a bubble, but not because AI is inherently unprofitable technology. It is a bubble solely because investors got too horny too quickly and started flooding every AI company with investments. And unless you want the investments to dry up you have to keep pumping the stock, which in frenzy like this does not mean finding stable profit model. All AI companies could just double or triple their prices tomorrow, lose good chunk of their customerbase but start making profit, but doing so would scare off retarded investors and drive the stock down. When this bubble pops nothing will happen to AI development. We will just see some companies go bankrupt and less CEOs saying AGI in two weeks, but things will continue to develop and improve in their abilities.

>>7765825
>When this bubble pops nothing will happen to AI development.
this nigga think mfers gonna continue the same way with no fuckin money
lmao

>>7765825
No, retard, it's a bubble because it's a fake circular economy. Nvidia "invests" in OpenAI, who then gives that money to Oracle for data centers, who then give that money to Nvidia for the GPUS. Nvidia' a market share increases, there are data centers going up everywhere, power plants are getting built to supply the power because these things take more energy than fucking NYC, retarded boomers in the government give them hundreds of billions because hurr durr look at all this stuff being done we're winning the arms race, everyone's stocks skyrocket, meanwhile everyone's literally and openly operating at a massive net loss of billions every year.
AI drove up to 98% of economic growth this year and constitutes up to 40% of GDP.
If AI fails to pan out before everyone gets bored, all that """""money"""""" is erased overnight and you're left with massive infrastructure that nobody can use.

>>7765825
anon they are all pivoting into porn because its the only short-term profitable industry for them. LLM and porn bots were always going to be what happened once enough people realized AGI was at least 10+ years out.

>>7765874
>profitable industry
It isn't, not even close. There is NO application, use case or target audience that would make AI profitable.
OpenAI getting into porn isn't about profit, it's about smoke and mirrors, so they can show usage increasing as coomers goon on government dime and pretend it's AI being used for... something

>>7765874
> AGI was at least 10+ years out.
I’ll let you in on a little secret, LLMs are not a pathway to AGI. You can shit and piss, maybe cum a little, but they’re simply text compression and not intelligence.

>>7765874
Agi isnt going to happen for at least another 800 to a thousand or more years if at all, and when it does happen its just gonna be multi quintillion dollar endeavor just to recreate a person and all of the factualities from the ground up which includes some form of nanomachines that mimic cells when could just use an indian instead.

open ai is spending 500B on a training facility while taking extreme losses. i think their plan is to cripple the job market and make companies dependent on them, because why else would they invest so much in a bubble while continuously taking losses

>>7765900
they'll mass produce cyber indians on a factory in mars and real indians will lose their jobs of being really annoying online

>>7765925
they didn't invest shit, anon, the government literally gave them 500+ billion bucks to build a shitload of data centers because something something china
everyone at that company is basically paid a salary out of your pocket, they have no money

>>7765939
christ, that makes it even worse. praying the bubble pops soon and everyone involved sees how worthless it all is. make the economy crash at the same time for some fun.

>>7765889
Other than mythical AGI, I think their hope is that they can do B2B and force businesses and studios to be their whales like Microsoft with its OS/Office suite.

>>7759229
Two more weeks, right, you street shitting Pajeet?

>>7765874
I hate AI but the porn is so much better. First time I enjoyed porn in a long time. It's the only thing it can do, and it does it so much better cause porn "artists" have zero humanity in them. Porn is the only application where a machine can entirely substitute the artist, cause it's the bottom of the barrel of soullessness and creative bankruptcy. Really makes you think.

>>7766030
I agree. Porn is slop, we should leave that to the machines.

>>7765874
Yes, short term because they got trillion in investments and they have to figure out how to make that money back. Training lot of these AI models does not cost as much as people think, it’s mostly the inference and if they actually tried being profitable they would add pricetag on the inference so that the more slop gets produced the more money they make (right now they are losing money because genning costs less then the electricity they consume).
>>7765836
Yes, and the circular economy is fuelled by investors. You need outside investors into the circular economy because every time money moves some of it gets lost in taxes, electricity or raw materials used for GPUs. The point of the circle is to make the companies look better so more morons invest.
>>7765830
They have money and they will have money. Most of the research is backed by Google, Microsoft, universities and Elon Musk, and those institutions will require societal collapse to go out of business.

>>7761050
Say it again as soon as rocket retard swings left and makes an excuse about it.

>>7766094
>we should leave that to the machines.
You're saying this while pushing for PragerU

>>7766154
Nigga the fuckin shareholders will vote to cut back research funds how do you not fuckin get this

>>7766298
He won’t. His son trooned out and he disowned him, so Musk will never be left in the woke sense again. And when it comes to economics he will also never go left because he is a billionaire.

>>7766154
that's not what circular economy means you fucking mouthbreather

>>7766740
Musk is an opportunist and will do anything to look cool. He'll be Wokemaster General if it gets popular again.

>>7766768
The goal of the circle is to hype the company up, or at least hide the obvious problems so that it can continue chugging along little bit longer. Doing transactions actually costs money so they it would be in the best interest of all parties to just sit on their money instead of passing it around in a circle. You need little bit of money to come from outside because then what is the point of wasting resources on the circle?