Thread 7756909

If you are an /int/ermediate or /beg/inner in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
DO NOT REPLY to crabs, nodraws, talent debates, howies and instead focus on posted works!

>STICKY:
Completed: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vm4IJpq0Mbvb-Krl5_mJ_m6TsC_qjsaN/view
New collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
w/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/
Hardcore: https://hackmd.io/7k0XRnIQR6SValR77TDfZw?view

>WHERE to get study materials
annas-archive.org
>>>/ic/artbook
>>>/ic/video

>Want to practice figures?
quickposes.com
sketchdaily.net
characterdesigns.com
lovelifedrawing.com
posemy.art
line-of-action.com

>PYW and give your feedback
What can be improved?
Are there any resources videos or books you'd recommend to them?
Maybe a redline or a technique, be specific.
Try to reply to someone as you post your own work.

>Cool teachers
Glenn Vilppu
Michael Hampton
Steve Huston
Brent Eviston
Marco Bucci
Andrew Loomis
George Bridgman
Hikaru Hayashi

>Cool books
Keys To Drawing
Drawing With the Right Side of the Brain
How To Draw Comics the Marvel Way
The Art and Science of Drawing
Framed Perspective
Figure Drawing For All It's Worth
The Complete Guide to Drawing From Life

Previous: >>7753636

god damn it I didn't make it into the OP

didn't feel like drawing today due to work but i managed to crank one out regardless

>>7756913
Next time for sure

>>7756909 (OP)
based chud drawing what he likes

>>7756909 (OP)
Here stuff i just made

I found out that an artist I followed was the one behind the victorian big boob girl slop tsunami years ago and that he quickly implemented ai into his workflow.
Just look at this before and after and tell me that the after doesnt resemble AI a lot and with his history of using it and posting it it isnt like he is unaware of it.
https://x.com/setawar/status/1768738684495601854
I am demoralized. The artists I follow and wanted to learn from are slopers and I am trying to learn from a workflow that involves AI...

>>7756933
>I am trying to learn from a workflow
proofs?

>>7756932
Last one

Trying to draw on a very turbulent bus ride

>>7756933
>nyooooo i like this artist and art but he used AI so... erm... now i don't like him anymore??? because mmm he's an enemy now
>we the artistic community
lol faggots

>99% of the artists produce generic anime slop
>AI copies them
>oh no his art looks like generic anime slop it must be AI

Death to talented rats!

>>7756955
>>7756947
How desperate for a recognition you'll never get. Gather all the follows and likes you want, people here will never consider you a peer.
>inb4 angry street shitting noises
Getting that recognition is the whole reason you're still itt.

>>7756961
is the AI in the room with us?

>>7756965
You tell me, I didn't mention it.

pls crity

recommendations on who to study for appealing fingers?

>>7756909 (OP)
Another one

>>7756955
He was quite fucking literally the guy behind all the explosion in slop of coomer shit back in 2022. He was the one generating and posting AI victorian era painting style big titty bitches.
https://x.com/setawar/status/1575076878792019968
>Omg his work just casually looks like AI so it must be AI
He quite literally fucking ADMITS IT NIGGER.
https://x.com/setawar/status/1667522253863669760
https://x.com/setawar/status/1742054531880628482
He even fucking praises it
https://x.com/setawar/status/1687694403266293760
>>7756934
Refer to the tweets posted above.

My problem is that I like the big titty bitches. I see them, I want to ref them for learning and I want to draw fat milkers like that with that weight and that obscene size but the moment I realize the "original artist" is using AI as great part of their workflow I ask myself "How much am I copying the artist and how much am I copying the AI?
Is it just retarded moral grandstanding? Maybe. I see it a lot at my worplace as I am a programmer/sysadmin/manager for even dumber codemonkeys and I see how AI is fucking the world over.
Students dont even think anymore because chatgpt does everything for them.
My coworkers have copilot writing most of their code and then they wonder why the fuck it has undefined behaviour they didnt expect to be there. They are pushing code to production that they dont know how it works or why!
I am trying to learn and inevitably comparing my art to sloppers who are being enabled by AI!
How did he get that composition and think of it? AI.
How did he choose those colours and camw up with that soft shading method? AI
How is he so fucking fast? AI.

I know that nothing short of a worldwide blackout or firebombing every single data center will stop it but even then I hate it.
I am surrounded by people who see no qualms on growing dependent on mega corporations who will melt them down for fuel the moment they can!

>>7756973
ur art is so clean
very nice
>>7756970
he’s got lego hair, looks like one big shape rather than actual hair
altho i think thats just cause thats still a wip,

>>7756978
Do you plan to draw eventually?

>>7756978
>He quite literally fucking ADMITS IT
And? He's still earning thousands of dollars while you're bitching in an anonymous website living in your moms basement

>>7756973
is this the clean-up of many mess layers below it or do you draw like that from the get go?

any time I think my art sucks I just have to draw for like a couple more minutes and then it all comes back to me

>>7756978
I played around with AI the first time in what must have been 1.5 years...
it's gotten so good. We already lost.
I still draw and have i fact started drawing when AI was taking off.
But it's a hollowed out pursuit now. The purpose is nothing more than therapy. It's devoid of meaning and ambition now. It's just for myself.

I feel like I must adapt, but in a way I'd rather give up on art than to be sweatshop worker cleaning up some AI product.

>>7756995
Give up on art my man, just produce dopamine with masturbation.

>>7756977
Another one

>>7756989
I draw the simple shapes with a thicker/softer brush first then draw over it on the same layer and erase or sculpt the marks i dont need

>>7757004
based PoG enjoyer
it went to 3 btw
we won

>>7756995
You can complain and quit like a dog or you can make like thousands of artists and use that as a tool to make money
Puritans starve

>>7757004
Another one

>PBS will return oct 1
>Already halfways to November
LIAR. FUCKING LIAR. YOU KILLED HIM.

So the anon obsessed with him is most likely himself, correct?

>>7757015
I think picking art as a craft to make money is sort of stupid.
But now that I can for sure not make any money off it given that some random 70IQ Indian can out-draw me with a button click I wonder whether I really never had a monetary ambition in this. If I had it's probably better to quit, because that's fucking stupid. Plenty of skills pay better faster. Possibly all of them. Drawing was shit tier for money making even before AI. Who'd pay for images? Just a few studios who look for the cheapest bidder.

>>7757000
maybe it really comes down to this.
In the end what's all this for? Just to numb the toil of the work day.
I should try Netflix.

>>7757028
You're not wrong. At the same time, was that why you chose art? For me, it felt like money comes second in the grand scheme of things; I'm just addicted to the freedom of being able to create whatever I want, with the quality depending on how hard I try and study. It's the one trade that pays off for me, as I'm unable to do anything else.

When you're retarded and disabled and the gov't is pulling the NEETbux, what else is there? Could wank sure, but all you're left with is a mess. Versus art - someone out there has seen your art and it meant something to them, even if they don't say anything.

Or you can make shock art and really affect those that see it.

>>7757027
Must be whoever keeps posting his dogshit ass moeblob drawings >>7756921

I draw because I like drawing, I'm not very good at it but I'm slowly getting better and that feels good :)

>>7757041
See, this guy gets it.

>>7757041
based mindset
remember this feeling, it will serve you well in the long run

How do you anons know when to call something done? I feel like if I spent the hours necessary to polish this further, it wouldn't actually improve the end result that much more.
Also, I know the drawover from that other anon was way better, but maybe the anon that wanted to see it colored likes mine as well

>>7757041
let us see ur art anon

>>7757004
Another one

>>7757041
Im feeling the exact same way, its fun to laugh at your own drawings.

Made this dunno what u think

Drew this earlier, I think I'm improving quickly.

What do you think about copying other people's art instead of photos?

>>7757105
And do you lads have a great loomis tutorial on youtube? I draw along people like Chommang and Imji, but I don't know if that's a good way to get the hang of construction.

>>7757105
perfectly fine, no one owns an art style

self portrait

>>7757055
I like both pics honestly.
You could call this one done and slap some fancy text in the upper right hand corner. Was this for something? Looks nice.
>>7757084
Horrifying yet inspirational. Kinda like ModeSeven
>>7757105
It used to be able to get you a job in the past. Like how the Pokemon team all copies Sugimori's style.

>>7757105
It's a good way to learn

>>7757056
>>7756942
I've been mostly doing studies lately
Picrel is sort of a redraw of a manga panel from a different POV

>>7757109
I see you are a happy man

i guess i stick to studying lord Asanagi most of time

cant leave without monkey shitposts
>>7756936
do you have a blog somehwere?

>>7756682
thanskies :3

>>7756873
ideal male physique

>>7757041
very based, keep that feeling :3

>>7757113
Thank you
>Was this for something?
Not really. I designed the character for a discord thingy and wanted to do something with it. Also just been trying to do more illustrations in general, to get faster at it, so for that as well I guess.
>>7757105
You mean for studying? Yeah, and I think for most goals, a good mix of photos and artist copies is probably optimal.
>>7757138
kek, I love it
>>7757126
Love the smile, makes me happy. What manga is this from?

>>7757105
necessary

How often do you draw from reference compared to imagination? And how do you study a reference so you can draw from imagination later?

quick paint stuff
trying to shake rust off eugh

>>7757194
>from reference
Every day, at least 30 minutes as I drink my morning coffee and listen to news

>from imagination
Whenever I have an idea that I want to draw, which is pretty much every day too. That doesn't necessarily mean I'll finish it right away; sometimes I do, sometimes it takes me weeks to do so (while doing other things of course), but most times I never do, lol

>study to draw from imagination
Aside from redrawing from memory after copying, trying to draw certain images/characters from other povs or in other poses

Studied expressions (I'm doomed), so little time for my /beg/ contribution.

>>7757198
looks very classical.
I am sure the refs are sculptures?

>>7757109
I feel you

>>7757204
sketchwork by classical artists for those were the refs!
nice work

>>7757005
thank you for sharing. This technique seems to work very well. You have the nicest lines in these threads

god, I'm unraveling.
I went through my old drawings....
I got so much worse...
What is happening...
Back to square one.

>>7757213
Show a comparison

https://x.com/khyleri/status/1977766282071359535
is this AI

>>7757219
>>7756921

Lazy

>>7757231
lol

>>7757219
going to post a compilation tomorrow. It'll be exactly one year after I started.
Grim.
I actually was good for a very short period of time. and then it fell apart.

trying drawing over my paintings

>>7757254
Nice effect. Kinda ethereal.

feel like i learned heads the wrong way

>>7757260
Me too. It's pretty quick to correct once you realize the mistake.

the pressure to be good and improov is unbearable

man those giraffe necks are hilarious

trying to figure out what looks cool and what looks too weird is so hard

Hi I’m struggling with drawing bodies they always look stiff and I just find it difficult:[ would really appreciate a redline/advice/critique anything to improve;; besos:)

>>7757259
thanks. have a shitpost

Prime schizo hours I believe?

>>7757296
Your photographed work always has a lot of grain and noise. Use a brighter light and start using the zoom function instead of putting the Pixel camera so close to the paper.

>>7757305
how would daylight be? you're right I wondered why mine was so grainy relative to other people's pictures

>>7757307
Daylight is lethal to your kind.

>>7757323
it was my fault for being the world's only outdoorsy autistic person

>>7757164
>What manga is this from?
Mairimashita! Iruma-kun: If Episode of Mafia. It's an AU spin-off

>>7757294
I really love your style. I would recommend using quickposes daily to help you explore different poses. I can provide a redline later on too. Here's a neat little trick I like to tell everyone

>>7757330
who is this from?

I rarely see anyone recommend posemaniacs on /ic/ but I honestly like it way more than the other figure drawing sites

>>7757341
you think /ic/ would like it more when it's just quickposes (japan)

>>7757254
I want to try watercolors at some point but I'm stuck in a sketchcel feedback loop forever

>>7757341
3d models are not ideal for learning though? I guess they're fine as references, but they don't deform exactly as real human bodies do

>>7757350
Nothing beats having a vast collection of your own references to work without an internet connection. The collection on that site is super limited and pics start getting old really fast

>>7757330
Thank you!! That’s a real neat site I’ll try it out~

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>7757408
P-P-PERMABEGSCHIZO?

>half the thread is people trying to convince others to stop drawing and use ai
jesus what the fuck went wrong with this board

>>7757412
Just adapt

>>7757414
go to /g/ or something this board is supposed to be for people who actually enjoy learning art

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>>7757407
>he didnt even prompt himself at the start he just picked them from pixiv
How fucking retarded do you have to be to blatantly trace public slop?
Not even the same pose. The whole fucking drawing.

>>7757420
>who actually enjoy learning art
Lol, many people here actually don't enjoy

>>7757434
Based stealing from the thief

Very rough scribble of an idea

jUsT ADapT

FUCK

>>7757442
Mmmm 2d orenji, very tasty.

Noi doodle

>>7757243
CUTE

I feel like the winking is wrong and the face doesnt look old enough.
And everything feels symbol drawn. I need to find a good collar reference.

>>7757492
Oh and I feel like I crutch too much trying to hide facial features with hair.
Mangakas are fucking wizards being able to discern soo much detail with only black and white desu.

I am comparing it to the original idea ref and holy fuck how can It get so bad.

Look at this guy's sketch on the other hand. So fucking good lines goddamn it.

>>7757492
this is very permabegschizo core, somehow

>>7757502
Pretty sure that is permabegschizo.

>>7757503
thought so. he improved

>>7757517
>showed massive improvement in just 1 month away focusing on drawing
he was actually talented all the time

Whereabouts am I

Friend passed away a week ago. Haven’t had the energy to draw much, but I’ve been trying.

>>7757544
>>7757517
Are you niggers blind?

>>7757561
It's better than it was 1 month ago???

>>7757517
>Even he is improving while I'm still stuck
Where's the nearest bridge

>>7757565
>>7757564
That isnt permabeg ffs

>>7757570
Same filenames and same tits

>>7757573
nuh uh

>slept all night and woke up to 2 likes and 3 hate comments
Is it really that bad?

>>7757591
Breddy gud, hate commentators will do your publicity freely. Trigger them more

>>7757613
Disney executive posting here. Ever wondered why your stock tanks, while everyone else goes to the moon? Maybe doubling down will change things.
>>7757591
in the end only those who like your work matter - if you yourself are happy with your work.

>>7757440
are those from imagination?

I've been thinking on whether I should have her other foot showing or something, and I want to double check the overall flow and body language. Any tips/pointers/redlines? Please and thank you!

>>7757503
no way he can draw a clean line

i like drawing without usinfg my drawing tablet because i can lie to myself that im usually way better and its just that im drawing with a mouse thats holding me back and as long as i continue deleting my old drawings i can continue lying to myself
anyway everything needs to be wider and the hair is fucked but at least i drew the hair this time instead of making her bald so im patting myself on the back
somewhat inspired by this itou hachi drawing but not intended as a study
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/9072840
>>7757639
im too prebeg to critique but just doing the pose myself i think at least part of her other foot should be showing instead of being fully hidden yeah

>>7756909 (OP)
bougie bish barf bonanza
>>7757145
monkaypillz
>>7757198
>>7757254
lovleh

>>7757648
tried making it better but the eyes got worse

I think I should draw something normal tomorrow

I have 0 skill in any way whatsoever cant hold my pen properly and even with writing i chickenscratch to the point only half of it is legible.
What should i do to remedy that and get better?

>>7757671
I would recommend drawing more often

>>7757684
Drawing what though?
I dont have a visual library or a mind's eye or anything.

>>7757685
You don't have to. Start by putting something down on paper until you see something inside the shape.

>>7757685
Do the first exercise in the sticky. Draw this, keep it upside down until you're done.

>>7757688
Ive done it a couple of times years ago. One more wouldnt hurt i guess.

timewasting retardobait

>>7757695
Sorry.
I really want to get better. I'm just no good at anything.

>>7757648
>>7757663
Take an anime head you like and try to copy it. Overlay your drawing and the head and see what's missing.

>>7757351
Give me your blog so I can like your work outside of this shithole, faggot.
> b-but I don't have one anon..
Make one. As soon as you do , post it here and I'll follow and support you

>>7757442
What app or tool are you using to make that grid

>>7757706
hes @tourelen

trying to remember how to have fun with a pencil. being an inconsistent procrastinator sucks...

>>7757706
How do i get anons to ask for my blog?

is it weird to hold my pen with index and thumb and use the middle as 'guide' instead of the traditional tripod?

>>7757736
Draw floating anime heads

>>7756973
The street fighter/capcom guys are pretty good. They pay extra attention to the hand poses since it's important for martial arts.
Bengus, Akira Yasuda.
Dragon Ball had some good hands too, so Akira Toriyama.

>>7757736
post it ill follow

>>7757765
Thanks for the drawing Russian bro : ]

>>7757726
I searched for it on Google and Twitter and no results : (

>>7757726
>>7757773
its torulen
not tourelen

>>7757776
thank you for clarifying, torulen-sama

sometimes i wish you guys would prompt each other to draw backgrounds or locations instead of the same girls over and over. well cos i cant draw people myself and prefer backgrounds

>>7757243
mogs me

>>7757254
Really like these blues

>>7756992
> draw for like a couple more minutes
Based
GMI

>>7757204
The moon makes this feel even more like Morrowind art than your stuff usually does

>>7757487
Noi No.1!

>>7757789
Why do you think people are here on 4 chan DOT COM? People here are weebs and degenerates or have been falsely misled here as a place to "learn fundamentals" to be able to draw their waifus. The femoids draw bara or twinks, the pedophiles draw their lolis and hebes, , and the hipsters draw their Western cartoons that ends up looking like bastardized versions of anime anyways. Where do you think we are???

>>7757736
By posting work that makes our dicks hard.

>>7757789
Sometimes I wish to prompt you to draw lolis instead of the same backgrounds over and over. cos I cant draw backgrounds and prefer lolis

Is there anything 'right' with my drawings? I've fallen so deep into the self-flagellating permabeg hole that I'm having a hard time seeing anything appealing in what i'm trying to make anymore. I'm also struggling to break out of the sketching phase, rather just abandoning an idea and moving onto the next drawing instead of trying to 'finish' a piece. Are there some exercises that I could do in order to get more comfortable with committing to lineart or just painting over a sketch?

Big fan of watching other anons share their work here regardless of their skill level, but for some reason I cant extend that kindness to myself.

>>7757815
it's likely you're taking yourself too seriously, afraid of 'ruining' the sketch, 'polishing turds', or whatever
the solution is to draw more, bury the retarded thoughts in a mountain of work

>>7757815
very cute aurora Noonie it looks good, continue it
What do you not like about it?

>>7757772
redrav me

>>7757823
return of the king

sex.. sex.. provocative poses

>>7757818
Yeah, that sounds like it makes sense. I've been trying to do inktober this year but its very hard to find the time before work or energy after a 10 hour workday. Much more consistent than I was before, but its very tiresome regardless.
>>7757822
I'm glad it's at least readable enough that people can tell who its supposed to be. I think the things I dislike the most are my super shaky lines, nonexistent understanding of anatomy, wonky hair and overall 'flat' feel of the drawings I make. It's not just this one in particular but it feels like I just cant make things three dimensional despite doing gesture drawing and construction.
Either way thank you for the kind words. I was expecting to get ripped apart when posting that.

>>7757832
>Is there anything 'right' with my drawings?
since you're being serious I will give some redpills and truth nukes. it's faux anime so there is nothing right about it on a stylistic level
>cant make things three dimensional
3d or "anatomy" won't make your drawings look good. it's a psyop. study the 2d design of an anime style you want to draw like. even if you stick with fauxanime it's going to be much better. especially if you have limited time don't waste it on useless drills but learn to replicate anime faces drawn by good Japanese artists, even a little study adds up surprisingly quickly.

>>7757847
Wdym by 'faux anime' ?
I'm not sure if I want to go for an anime look or not, but I dont really know how to paint rather than just using lines, so I think that's causing the look to some extent.
>3d or "anatomy" won't make your drawings look good. it's a psyop.
Really? I was told to do gesture and figure drawing in order to have an easier time conveying 3d on a 2d plane. Isnt an understanding on three dimensionality important even for anime style drawings?
>especially if you have limited time don't waste it on useless drills but learn to replicate anime faces drawn by good Japanese artists, even a little study adds up surprisingly quickly.
I take it you mean just grabbing some setteis or illustrations that I like and copying those until it clicks, or am I misunderstanding?

>>7757852
don't reply to the schizo
let him find his way back to /asg/ on his own

>>7757853
Oh, I didn't know. My bad. The advice seemed a bit odd but I thought it came from good intentions.

>>7757852
basically something that tries to superficially ape anime without ever understanding how it works.

gesture and figure drawing are good, see hide channel for that. "fundies" like drawabox that use construction or 3d or prescriptive "anatomy" as a crutch are garbage.

yeah, a sense of space but not literal (simplified) 3 dimensional emulation of blender on paper. this is true even for realism styles of anime. depending on the style there are different ways of conveying implied 3 dimensionality of the features of the face and so on.

yeah, and trying to make original drawings based on the info you learned.

>>7757853
the truth nuke is already triggering the weak willed people here kek

>>7757854
careful on whos advice youre taking on /ic/ unless they prove themselves to be good by posting their work
we have many different kinds of ideologies here when it comes to how to actually get good at drawing and some people are very stubborn

>>7757852
>dont really know how to paint rather than just using lines, so I think that's causing the look to some extent.
also another redpill that is going to trigger some kids
fauxanime is detectable even on the shape level, you can squint your eyes and most of the time tell if it's Japanese or faux anime. it's the poor understanding of 2d shapes that causes fauxanime, poor painting can only exacerbate it.

>>7757854
in most schizo ramblings there's a nugget of truth (i.e. 2d shape design is important)
like >>7757864 says, take them with a pound of salt if no work is posted

>>7757640
>clean line
There areno clean lines there.
>>7757517
>>7757544
>>7757564
Are you niggas retarded?
The drawing is literally 80%symbol drawn tits. You cant gauge improvement from that.
Coombrain is fooling you

>>7757865
2D shapes has no volume, you're a retard

>>7757870
everything in that post is scientific and factually true. resorting to name calling instead of arguments is proof of you not being able to handle the truth.
>>7757872
>2D shapes has no volume
exactly, that is the point. accidentally you've hit on something big.

>>7757861
Post your work.

>>7757880
no. i don't respect the culture here enough to have my art tied with it.

>>7757889
hope you a good writer cuz you all talk gay nigga ass

>>7757740
Doesn't really matter how you hold it as long as it's ergonomic and it works for you.

>>7757889
You have been spamming all over the board with these ramblings for years.

How do you tone a badly lit figure? I usually only use lines but say I wanted to tone a fig with multiple/bad lighting. Pose a 3d model/mannequin and pick a simple lighting?

>>7757861
Nta and neither >>7757880 but I believe most people here are not mindlessly drawing ovals and boxes, and are already copying from memory and reconstructing drawings from artists they like

>>7757889
Draw something new in a way not tied to your usual style?

>>7757637
I wish

>>7757909
contour lines

>>7757893
apparently a better one than the guys who have no arguments against my truth.
>>7757904
not me, but you're not making your case look better by having zero arguments.
>>7757909
>most people here are not mindlessly drawing ovals and boxes
and that's a good thing, but the false ideology dominating the culture still has to be destroyed.
>Draw something new in a way
i'm too cool to care about impressing some kid on /beg/. my art will never be tied to this place until we win the culture war.

>>7757789
Let's team up. You can draw beautiful mountain backdrops for my gooner porn.

>>7757917
confident enough to yap, not confident enough to share art.

curious.

>>7757923
it's not about confidence but about culture war and ties to a group.
this isn't even my full power. how weak is your position if i can destroy it with simple words?

>Bash my head against Loomis and co. and rawdogging referencing shit
>Never improve, assume I'm just fundamentally untalented after years of trying
>See a tutorial on instagram of all things
>Makes a marked difference in my art
>Keep going for IG tutorials, go for Youtube tutorials despite always keeping away from them per /ic/'s instruction
>Rapidly improve after years of stagnant pre/beg/ness and day-ruining anxiety every time I attempt art
Why didn't you fuckers tell me that Youtube made all this content so digestible? It's the same shit that's in these books, they've just had 80 years since they were published to make the content more approachable.

>>7757930
nice, let's see it

>>7757930
/ic/ recommended not using tutorials made by modern artists?? That's why 90% of this thread hasn't improved at all kek
Wait until you discover Tumblr tutorials. It's the same thing as Loomis and friends, just explained by someone who speaks modern English and has a pulse.

>>7757930
>per /ic/'s instruction
>Why didn't you tell me
kek

>>7757930
Let's see a before and after.

fun

>>7757944
>>7757931
At work at the moment, but will post when I return. I hope you like fat bitches, because it's all I've got.

>>7757941
I'll take a look at those. Twitter tutorials have been helpful when the algorithm isn't trying to drown me in ragebait, so I can only imagine how helpful tumblr tutorials must be. Those guys can fucking draw.

>>7757943
>Get wrong instructions
>Ask why they didn't give the correct instructions
Where's the problem?

>>7757492
Why does this look like a beg trying to larp as pro?

>>7757930
>>7757941
I'm liking Kawaii sensei's "The Best of Everything", it's basically a bunch of their pixiv howto figure drawing guides organized into a really digestible book. Weeb-approved since its made by japs

>>7757976
how does someone larp as pro

>>7757980
I'll forfeit anonimity to shill my tumblr that's withstood the test of time
https://starrbits.tumblr.com/
main issue though is that unfortunately a lot of the tutorials are the size of ant droppings. MOST are tagged, but your best bet is the archive.

>>7757925
no art
did not read

>>7757492
If this is permabegschizo then why is his twitter still locked? Checkmate.

hey wtf there's a new thread guess I may as well post a couple of cute drawings from the past bit of time

>>7758008
here's the proof >>7757454

>>7757983
By tracing from refs so you can make good drawings pass as your own instead of learning all the fundies that go into making the drawing.
You can see it in tracers like favela or subu who dont know perspective or anatomy and their traced drawings have mistakes because they lack fundies.

>>7758014
idk if my drawings convey it but I'm really lonely and would like a big strong bf to hold me lol haha

>>7758013
Any retard can write that.

>>7758015
is it worth it if the people that end up getting caught get taken to court or occasionally lose their job in mother japan

>>7757437
sex

>>7757437
Is the banana for scale
>>7757442
Mockups are the main step towards professional status imo. I bow to thee

>>7758018
Not before posting those baloon tits

does it looks less retarded

>>7758026
I like it
the torso feels too long tho

I have only two pages left in my current sketchbook but I've been tired and sick this fucking sucks I don't want to just go through the motions I want to actually try to practice things

>>7758026
Lower leg of the leg closest to the viewer is a tad bit too long.
But it looks quite lovely.

SUBU SUBU SUBU SUBUSUBU SUBU SUBU SUBUSUBU SUBU SUBU SUBUSUBU SUBU SUBU SUBUSUBU SUBU SUBU SUBUSUBU SUBU SUBU SUBUSUBU SUBU SUBU SUBUSUBU SUBU SUBU SUBUSUBU SUBU SUBU SUBU

>>7758043
*smooooooch*

>>7758029
>>7758034
thanks

yoo

>>7758026
russia i missed you i drew that deer girl you drew a lot

>>7756955
That reddit is an obvious shitpost.

>>7758025
Any jackass can draw misshapen symbol drawn tumour tits.
If anything the face not looking like a pitbull victim shows it isnt him.

is this the flat roastie again?

>>7757798
Very cute

>>7758096
Another schizo ahoy

>>7757798
Nice mofu mofu

>>7758094
>>7757492
>The face not looking like shit
Nigger are you blind? It is mismatched, "she" has a manjaw and no nose. That face is shit but you coombrained niggers are too distracted by the symbol drawn balloon tits to care!

>>7758111
It's a really nice drawing

>>7758111
still better than your beg scribbles roastie

I think this is a good base, I'll print it back to trad, trace with pilot pen and paint it with watercolor first

>>7757933
Ahh! Arigatou, how flattering! To make my own reference I came up with putting the closest 3d form per bodypart under a single light in a dark room in the same orientation as the drawing. I haven't tried it in practice but it should work

>>7758094
She's just with the eyes closed, ask the person to draw with open eyes and you'll it's him lmao

>Permabegschizo stagnates
>People hate on him
>Permabegschizo improves
>People hate on him.
There is no winning move.

>>7758127
Now that I look closer at it her eyebrows are misaligned.

>>7757706
Someone already namedropped me I guess. I dump the same sketches I post here on that account and don't have any finished works if that's what you were hoping for

What is a good flow to take on gesture drawings? I always struggle putting the first marks in. Do you guys draw the ribcage and hips separately or do you draw it as a whole block?

>>7758139
The only winning move is to press F to only see the message of people that actually draw

what's the issue with colouring on a white background?

>>7758116
That is clearly not a roastie calling her jaw a man jaw kek

>>7758156
Doesn't allow you to see the actual colors due to the optical illusion.

>>7758156
White makes colours look more saturated/darker than they really are.

>>7758156
Hard to see if you missed a spot with light colors, can strain your eyes. Imo light grey is the best background color.

>>7757492
It needs work for sure but some of you are way too harsh on this poor little niglet lmao

>>7758172
>>7758176
>>7758178
gotchu, some dude told me to paint on a grey background as opposed to white when i first started like a year ago and i never questioned him

>>7758180
>It needs work.
Redline it nigger. It needs to be completely redrawn.

How do I draw poses with this kind of body perspective? I tried for a long time, but nothing worked.

>>7758139
At least he improved to the point some people are not sure that's the real permabegschizo

>>7758208
post your attempts

>>7758176
You're wrong and right
It makes them look darker but it also makes them look less rather than more saturated

>>7758216
I shouldn't post anything here so that the locals don't insult me

>>7758227
The scum mock you?

>>7758230
The shcum

>>7758222
nta I wasn't sure about your second point, and I kinda agree with anon
because the saturation delta is higher in black or white, the color appears more saturated than it is

>>7758234
I look like that and say that

>>7758058
hey

>>7758237
Maybe it's monitor diff but I don't see any difference in the purples, even on the thumbnail.

You see, the nits are insulting me again, and getting insulted in return, the bastards

Ballerina Maya

The bastards, as always, complain that I insulted them, although these dog spawn themselves admitted that they, the scum, are enjoying themselves, although before that they complained that I was driving people out of their shit thread, hypocritical scum.

>>7758246
could be, I can see the perceptual trick pretty clearly in my monitor
maybe surrounding the color with more of the reference value helps

>>7758234
lmao

R A T S

>>7758251
HAHAHAHAH this will never be not funny

>>7758255
Yeah I actually see it now, the left one does appear a bit more saturated

>>7758254
>>7758260
This is a drawing thread, why didn't you draw that picture and help?

>>7758254
>>7758260
You know what's funny, many of the people you wanted to see in the thread left because of me, how can it not be so funny, creature?

>>7758265
>>7758266
Stop please you're killing me

>>7758272
Why are you so funny? Why were others whining that I was kicking so many people out of here? Spouting nonsense about talent, shadows, etc.

I don't get the joke

Even if I forgive you and speak calmly without attacking others, you creature will continue to bark at me, although I just want to draw

>>7758279
Then draw, you didn't post a single drawing

You don't want me to kick others out of here, do you? Why act like a scumbag and insult me then?

>>7758281
What is this rubbish >>7758260 >>7758254
laughing about? No one will help me here anyway.

Did the legs turn out alright?

>>7757815
>Are there some exercises that I could do in order to get more comfortable with committing to lineart or just painting over a sketch?
I think repurposing discarded work for practicing painting or line art could help. it won't feel bad if it turns out badly and practicing finishing pieces should make you more comfortable when you actually want to finish something

>>7757861
>hide channel
He tells you to use boxes and stuff too btw
https://youtu.be/2AZysLEUCmw?si=o9kus8-Phmmo6a55

>>7758295
>it has boxes so it's just like my drawabox!
kek

So no one drew this damn pose, cool, thanks!

>>7758260
I would help you sor, but unfortunately, I have a vagina and therefor my credibility is null.

>>7758301
Reply to the thread you are referring to. We do not have your IQ. Help us a little.

ok rough draft of one of the pilots that I think actually has enough promise to move on to being a final design
what do you all think? does he look ok?

>>7758309
Lost me at the pants choice, but otherwise looks neat. What pilot for who where? Is he piloting a plane? Mech?

>>7758309
The striped pants with the ruffle? gives him a circus vibe, I'd switch the ruffle to a flat cuff if that wasn't intentional.

and another guy, his design has been set for a while in my head but I still think he looks good

>>7758316
I like the eccentric pants, and yes mecha

>>7758320
I see what you mean, I think a flat cuff would definitely be better ty

>>7758324
ugh retard moment

>>7758311
Soul

>>7758281
Here

>>7758370
Alright cool. Did you want help with this? You did pretty good, though I recommend rotating your images properly before posting.

>>7758370
>>7758281
*

>>7758370
>>7758376
Not that bad, just stop with the chicken scratches, pose looks good
drawing more than 15 minutes a week would also help

>>7757253
didn't make the compilation yet due to time constraints. Besides, it'll be tomorrow when the first full year is gone, so I have time, still.

It feels very somber, looking back. I feel I betrayed my ambition, by not putting in the hours. But I am proud that I did indeed draw every single day for a full year.

>>7757790
>The moon makes this feel even more like Morrowind art than your stuff usually does
It's nice to now that my stuff can be told apart among the many works shared in these threads. I googled the Morrowind concept art stuff and I really like it. So, I'm happy that my stuff reminds you of it.
Today: something unfinished, as so often. Something elvish-biomechy. Spent a bit more time on it than lately, though.

>>7758427
*know
whoops.

>>7757765
envious how you do head and legs.
I can see it's done quickly and confidently and it shows solid knowledge of drawing and anatomy.

Good stuff.

>>7758119
soulful, cute, and competent sketch.
I like it, it's fun.

>>7758427
>Getting this good in just a year
>Still bitching.
Someone hand me a rope.

current wip, think composition is lacking something. Also think the mix between shape dominant visual language and the realism of the skull is a little mismatched. Not sure whether to add patterns to the body of the guy

OC redraw fill

>>7758449
crazy good colors and texture. Good shapes, too.
Share some secrets, techniques, brushes master? Throw some pears before the swnee for once.

>>7758457
cool

>Working on a drawing
>"Hmm looks like shit"
>Come back to it next day
>"Ah. It's not that bad."
How do you call this? Reverse Dunning Kruger?

>>7757715
Sorry for taking a while, but I got a free grid material from the clip studio store then tiled it and used free transform to put it in the perspective I wanted.

>>7758496
Cute, it reminds me of the chibis in disgaea

>>7758486
happens to me.
After a few weeks it's shit again.

>>7758463
pffttt, thanks for the glaze.

Uhhh to achieve this effect spam lasso tool for hard edges and shapes, soft brush for gradients. Use textured brushes like what I use in this, it's called daisy chain, I'm not sure which brush pack it's from, I think the Imad brushset. For a more organic blending I use smudge tool and distance+rotation jitter and use that to blend some colors.

>>7758486
Resting your eyes. It's common; everyone has this issue. Even professionals.

FUCK

>>7758545
Will be a 4 part series if I have the patience to finish. Good to ground the method for an more clean style.

>>7758551
Really fucking mirin how good your thumbnails are.
>Loose but not illegible
>Proper perspective
>Good anatomy flows
FUCKFUCKFUCKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

spooky skeleton
feels like it took me too long to do this and i'm sure it's off
and i still have to do the back...

>>7758557
Study gesture, bro. I also probably drew similar poses to this ones 10000000 fucking times. is one of my favorites. I can 100% do with my eyes close by now.

>>7756931
More

>>7756931
The pie family

>>7756931
Next big step is learning how to draw bakcgrounds

>>7756931
Thats all

>>7758581
This nigga draws

This is Fluffy. You can pet him. He won't bite I promissss

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>7758565
Good now you just gotta improve your proportions and perspective more to be less wonky

I have found CasyTay's artwork of Hat Kid and am now attempting to copy it.

>>7758596
I like the idea

>>7758630
Hahah cool!

>>7758596
He cute

how do i draw buttocks from this angle

quick before bath doodle
no references
wdyt

>>7758617
Mind redlining it for me?

>>7758665
Would be a waste of time, you just need more mileage sorry

help

>>7758673
I don't see an issue with it really. But I'm just a beg...

>>7758673
draw him having violent gay sex please

>>7758673
Try spending more than 5 seconds in a drawing.

>>7758701
doing what? staring at it? I arleady did everything i could

Do you guys think her eyes are too far apart?

>>7758705
I think you're making them too small

>>7758706
Should I just finish the drawing regardless or redraw it? Is there a way I can resize them without having to redraw them?

>>7758705
>Way better faces than pbs (pbuh)
Its over.

>>7758705
your issue is lack of flow

>>7758711
What do you mean?

>>7758671
Can you do on this one while I'm still doing? Before is too late.

>>7758673
Sorry, on phone. The ass has two parts...

>>7758717
I love your taste nigga.

>>7758710
isn't that a given when doing copy-studies?

>>7758709
idk I just draw with pen and paper, sry

>>7758712
flow

>>7758725
I'm still not entirely understanding this.

>>7758727
then youre hopeless

>>7758727
He's not only bad at drawing but even worse at explaining something irrelevant.

>>7758732
pyw

>>7758734
Interrupted my soup eating for this shit

>>7758747
>bad at drawing
>looks the same or worse
joke board

>>7758747
rodgonbro?

>>7758749
Surely you're pulling my leg.

>>7758717
Need to study properly now instead of listening to shitty videoclasses while i draw. be back in a few hours.

I'm getting faster that is good. improved the polish some also.

>>7758757
She might have too many fingers!

>>7758747
>muh construction
>draws fauxanime
every single time

>>7758760
Pyw
(You won't, like every single time, ironically)

>>7758763
>Pyw
How is my work going to stop construction being associated with faux anime?

>>7758758
Lmao. you are right. I have to fix that before I leave. Nice catch, anon. thanks.

>>7758630
One more

>>7758769
What the fuck is faux anime

>>7758774
westime, amerime, it goes by different names.

>>7758747
What methods do you recommend?

>>7758769
What a dishonest weasel, it's meant to show if your method really is superior by showing the work you have done with it. But you already knew that.

>>7758781
>it's meant to show if your method really is superior
Japanese work is superior. Fauxanime is inferior and they can't draw like the Japanese. That's all I need to show.

>>7758788
giwtwm

>>7758784
>all I need to show
But anon, you haven't shown anything? Are you Japanese?

>>7758799
How is anyone's work going to change construction being associated with faux anime?

Also I've posted pro Japanese traces here before and nobody called out what I was doing and kept giving anatomy and construction advice kek, so I wouldn't put much trust in people here having high cognitive resolution.

>>7758802
Anon, just pyw, show us how it's supposed to be done. You won't of course, because your art is horrible and isn't up to the standards you propound and evaluate others with.

>the "faux anime" guy is the "cognitive resolution" spammer
oh my god not this faggot

>>7758804
> show us how it's supposed to be done
Don't need to, BVSED Japan already did it for me.
>your art is horrible and isn't up to the standards you propound
Even if this is true how does it refute anything I've said? Google genetic fallacy.

>>7758809
It refutes everything because you have no idea what you're talking about. You're an armchair artist. Btw you're wrong about Japanese artists not using construction, that's a false premise to begin with.

Okay, I lied. I'm still here.

>>7758813
>you have no idea what you're talking about.
That westerners are obsessed with construction and can't draw anime due to their insistence on never studying or learning the real thing, substituting it with proxies like construction? That's observable on this very board.
>Btw you're wrong about Japanese artists not using construction
Why do Westerners think this is some epic gotcha? Nobody said they don't use construction.

>>7758821
Your whole point was construction being associated with faux anime, get your script together, lol.

>>7758821
That's the wrong construction for anime in 3d, you are using semi realism for something stylized, it would be like drawing a cat skull structure to draw tom from tom and jerry. You were supposed to be simplifying the form in to planes, like a lowpoly 3d model.

Of course, needles to say, this is abstraction, an skill only properly achievable once you understand the form of the head enough to take it's elements and simplify to the basics. Hence why realism is often the idea for starting studying. And I know you trying to bait and everything, but even behind your bait I can notice heavy ignorance about the topic, so I hope this helps you either way.

>>7758445
Sankyu! I wanted to have a solid base to reprint as needed because I'm sure I'll screw up multiple times painting im trad, but I guess eventually jumping to the water's the only way to learn

>>7758290
Yes they did! Shapely and dynamic, the pose is believable

>>7758250
I like the composition, you can thoroughly show what a character's about with it

Grids make basic backgrounds fun
>>7758821
sakura cute

>>7758823
People who can't draw anime recommending muh construction is the whole joke.

>>7758835
People who can't draw period recommendimg anything drawing related is an even funnier one.

>>7758827
>take it's elements and simplify to the basics
Yeah this is the westoid obsession with simplification I'm talking about. They can't see any actual details of the 2D art beyond the abstractions in their heads about how it's all actually secretly simplified 3D.

>>7758827
how would I construct these heads, especially one on the right using solid fundamentals?
asking anyone, not necessarily this anon.

>>7758837
>recommendimg
I wasn't recommending anything but merely making fun of the west's dunning kruger. They do not care about recommendations, there's plenty of info already out there by skilled Japanese artists and they don't care or even argue with it.

>>7758838
You understand construction is meant to be simplified compared to the final drawing, and at the same time accept Japanese also use construction, correct? Just pyw anon, an image is worth more than a thousand words as they say.

>>7758840
So, they don't care about recommendations because they use construction you say? Construction being a method of drawing that the Japanese also use? What's your point exactly?

>>7758839
Not that guy but I draw anime characters and this is how I would do that head. Anime stuff has its own rules building on regular anatomy stuff

>>7758841
>construction
Using visual guides when drawing or when teaching beginners isn't the same as westoid construction.

>>7758842
>method of drawing
It's more like a ritual you do and measure the correctness of a drawing by. In anime "construction" is not a factor after the art is done, in westoid fauxanime construction is an inherent property of the art that can be judged.

>>7758843
sorry anon, I'm looking for a more fundie grounded way of how you would construct it.

>>7758845
>blahblahblah construction is not construction when the Japanese do it blahblahblah
You sure know a lot anon, can you show me an example of your artwork demonstrating this vast knowledge of yours?

>>7758847
That is anime head construction, the circle and the center line

>>7758849
You don't care about addressing any of the arguments so why bother replying?
>genetic fallacy

>>7758839
Like this probably. This drawing in particular is very odd so is hard to say, I think this guy uses liquefy to give more depth and distorts things a little.
>>7758838
This is a semantic issue. Simplification in this case does not mean lack of detail. it means abstraction. Taking a form, breaking down to it's basics and using the basics as a building structure for stylization, but still grounded in the rules of whatever you broke down for the sake of being cohesive or with elements exaggerated for any desire effect.

This works to any style. again, i'm pretty sure you trying to fuck with me, but I also know this will help someone reading this so I'm saying anyway.

Hammered drunk, just fuckin around with my style a bit.

>>7758850
those aren't grounded in fundamentals thoebeit.

>>7758852
>This drawing in particular is very odd
>I think this guy uses liquefy to give more depth and distorts things a little

>>7758855
Look at the face of the girl in the center, it's not exactly in perspective and proportion wise is a bit odd. I'm not saying this guy can not draw in perspective, but using the liquify helps. sometimes you do let things slip trough because you can't see it. so heads can become a bit too big or don't follow the vanishing point properly.

>>7758852
How are these lines relevant to the process of actually drawing the face? The artist was never thinking like this, your drawing looks nothing like the original.

>>7758854
>>7758855
I'm going to assume this is some kind of shitposting and go to sleep
>but my fundies
Get back to drawing lines like funbro

requesting fire opened on my position

>>7758859
Proportion and element placement. He thinks like this I'm sure of it, but you never have to put on paper necessarily. I'm exaggerating here since the original post I was quoting was doing the same. exemplifying how break down the form and use the shapes to think the form in 3d space.

>>7758851
You have no argument, construction is construction when the Japanese do it too, and westerners are not limited to constructing like... Loomis? Hampton? What do you even mean by westerner construction?

>genetic fallacy
We're discussing the practical merits of different approaches to an activity, evaluating the results is essential, not an afterthought. Just be honest and admit you're embarrased that your art doesn't match the grandiosity of your words.

>>7758858
>it's not exactly in perspective and proportion wise is a bit odd
Redraw it to be correct if you can see how it's wrong (it's not, you're just applying a broken western view to it because you can't draw anime). But either way how would that affect the girl on the right? There is no distortion on that drawing.

I always wondered why people freak out over muh asian genes when the reason why Japanese people are good at art is because they're an artistic culture. Art is respected and encouraged in their society in a way that's just not seen in America (there are a handful of European countries that are the same way so that's why I'm not saying "the west")

>>7758862
>Proportion and element placement.
I mean they look nothing like the original so is it actually the way he did it? It looks like it's just your understanding or abstraction that's not necessarily related to actually making that drawing.

>>7758866
>Art is respected and encouraged in their society in a way that's just not seen in America
Yeah that is part of it. In the west there is a tendency to think there is nothing more to 2D art than simplified 3D forms and if they encounter something they can't explain or replicate, it must be the result of an oversight instead of a developed way of drawing 2D art.

>>7758869
>there is a tendency to think
Source? Your anus is not a valid source, by the way.

>>7758863
>evaluating the results is essential
But who believes you can do that correctly? There is Japanese art already that's superior to fauxanime, no need for me to draw anything.
>your art doesn't match the grandiosity of your words
Yeah, I'll admit that my art isn't like the best of the best from Japan.

>What do you even mean by westerner construction?
Stuff like
>>7758852
>>7758827
>>7758821

>>7758864
Simple enough edit.

>>7758870
An anon above said a piece of pro Japanese art (that's infinitely above his skill level) looks odd because it doesn't fit into his view of what correct perspective or correct proportions (lol) should be. It's not hard to encounter these dunning kruger type views if you just lurk here.

>>7758869
I'm having a really hard time understanding the point you're trying to make here, are you saying western art can't replicate 2d art that feels 3d? what do you mean "In the west there is a tendency to think there is nothing more to 2D art than simplified 3D forms" because if you watch any animated feature film that came out before like 1994 you'll see that that's not the case

Look I'm genuinely trying to understand the point you're making here but you're trying really hard to sound smart and talking around the actual point you're trying to make instead of just saying it straight

>>7758867
The point of doing the entire lines and 3d structure is to show how you think. so people can look at it and point out what is exactly wrong how the planes of your faces and what to change. Not to construct for drawing itself.

>>7758860
>I'm going to assume this is some kind of shitposting and go to sleep
it's some retard who has been spamming about "low cognitive resolution", taking an excerpt from a naoki saito book horribly out of context for like a year straight and that westerners can only draw "faux anime". tries to claim japanese artists don't use construction and other retarded takes. if you ever ask him to post his work (probably doesn't draw at all) he just deflects to just saying "don't have to muh japanese artists"

>>7758876
I'm saying the west will not acknowledge complexity in 2D art that isn't bound by 3D. Any deviation from a simplified view of 3D is treated as a mistake to be corrected and they never question why Japan consistently does certain things in their 2D design. They stop thinking beyond a certain point and break down.

>>7758871
But the Japanese also use construction though, as you previously admitted? Can you explain in a non tautological way why Japanese construction is not construction?

>stuff like
Can you use words to describe the concepts you're talking about? A handful of instances is not enough to illustrate a rather fuzzy general idea, especially considering how Japanese artists and drawing manuals use analogous construction methods.

>>7758878
So what can we understand about that face drawn in that style from those lines? Can we use it to make it better? Or to draw a new one in the same style?

>>7758882
Yes.

>>7758881
>why Japanese construction is not construction?
Because it doesn't follow prescriptive simplified 3D rules as dogma but has a concrete artstyle achieve it's trying to achieve.

>use analogous construction methods
For the west it's not just a method is my point.

>>7758872
>>7758852
>>7758827
this is going in my dunning kruger collection.

>>7758880
but...but they don't? sure modern animation standards are in favor of 3D but that doesn't mean western animation principles haven't heavily influenced the Japanese animation industry, it's not like they stole everything from us but they did learn a lot from us. I feel like you people forget that a lot of Japanese artists are huge fans of western media and draw a lot of inspiration from it

just like how we're all a bunch of shameless weebs and draw inspiration from anime

Does Hatkek also draws for 15 minutes a day? his last post was 3 fucking hours ago before the construction meltdown started.

>>7758887
Japan at this point in its development and artistic tradition has its own techniques it developed for drawing anime, even if it did learn from the west initially.
Being a fan of some media doesn't mean you start using its drawing techniques as evidenced by the abundance of faux anime in the west.

>>7758886
Can you do it better, anon?

>>7758889
so your argument is just "muh east anime good muh west americanime bad"

it's another one of these arguments again, I wasted my fucking time. Why did I think you actually had something interesting to say god fucking dammit

>>7758885
Prescriptive simplified 3D rules as dogma? Woa. So where do westerners learn this dogma? Can you cite the book I guess where it's mandated that the simplified 3d forms used for construction should be kept unaltered through the final drawing, whatever the represented subject and expression are?

>has a concrete artstyle achieve it's trying to achieve.
As opposed to westerners who don't have a "concrete artstyle" they're trying to achieve? I mean I find it had to believe, seeing as how many westerners have "a concrete style" they're trying to achieve.

>>7758890
No, it's already perfect. Why would I distort it and damage the integrity of the artstyle in the name of muh perspective to earn some internet points?

>>7758892
>So where do westerners learn this dogma?
Idk, maybe we should ask you guys?
>As opposed to westerners
Westerners will bend the artstyle to fit conventions about what's considered proper construction or fundies. Just see this >>7758872. It's all about priorities of 2d design vs abstract prescriptive rules.

>>7758891
>interesting
It's not about entertainment at all but about truth and what leads westerners to their misunderstandings about anime.

>>7758893
lol i called it, as soon as someone asks him to show his work he just hides behind other artists

>>7758893
That's what i thought. Can I ask something? There is actually any satisfaction from doing any of this? People can always see right trough you, you never manage to really trick anyone and people are always aware is you or someone like you.

You do realize this is not trolling right? is being bullied and alienated from a place that was designed to avoid such a thing happening, from people are already alienated from the rest of everything.

Are the crumbs of attention you receive really worth your dignity this much? To this extent? What you have in 5 years? or 10? Still be here, making unfunny memes, with no one liking you, doing their best to just ignore you exist just like in real life. I wish you would improve, grow up and something better. I wish you wished the same.

>>7758903
You asked me if I can do better. I can't draw better than that Japanese pro nor "fix" his drawing, neither can that guy but he can't acknowledge that.

>>7758905
> I can't draw better
you can't draw at all to even backup your claims

>>7758904
>pseud psychoanalysis instead of arguments
Anon if you just assert things they don't become true. If you don't care about the issues and can't handle an argument why bother responding?

>>7758898
>maybe we should ask you guys?
I mean I don't know about this dogma so that's why I'm asking you, seeing as you're the one who brought it up? Are you saying you don't know what you're talking about?

>Westerners will bend the artstyle to fit conventions about what's considered proper construction or fundies
You're saying "proper construction" is an end in itself? Again, where does this dogma come from? As a westerner myself, "proper construction" is the one that allows me to achieve an aesthetically pleasing result. Does that mean I didn't read the Bible of Western Thought you, and apparently only you, know about?

>>7758907
How amusing, I asked you a serious questions, not made any analyse myself. But I can read you reply well enough to know what you mean.

You do realize what I speak is true, enough were you can't acknowledge, you rather deflect. If stagnating upsets you this much doing the same thing over and over again is not exactly the right path I would say. But again, as much as you resent others, we both know you are the one to blame for how bitter you become.

>>7758908
>playing word games
Concession accepted.
>You're saying "proper construction" is an end in itself?
It might not be to you personally but adherence to fundies is a thing western artists use to lift up their art and attack Japanese art.

>>7758909
>pseud psychoanalysis again
I assume you don't have any arguments left?

>>7758911
I didn't concede anything nor play word games. I'll accept your concession that you have no idea what you're talking about.

>>7758912
Does it upsets you? I told you, people can read you like an open book. none of this is secret to anyone. People can tell exactly how you feel at all times, and you are not exactly a master in hiding it.

I never any argument btw, I'm not interested in arguing with you, just to upset you and make you uncomfortable. So I ask you again, me reading upsets you?

Any advice on how to get fluid sense of gesture out of an otherwise bulky character? The anatomy undersketch had a nice tilt of the hip going on but that all but disappears the second I add her outfit.

>>7757815
Definitely has appeal.

>>7758309
>>7758331
Your proportions are getting more consistent. Good job, friend!

Personally I'm a fan of striped pants.

>>7758540
Cute!

>>7758640
I need to do some gesture studies. .

>>7758861
Very cool stuff man. Really digging the unusual fashion/period mixups.

>>7758924
Damn

>>7758830
sshotafag PLEASE GIVE ME YOUR FUCKING BLOG.

Bedtime

>>7758885
>For the west it's not just a method is my point
Wish I read this much earlier. Now I can just discard the entire pointless discussion that rests upon false assumptions.

I took the trad pill. Its so much faster, I was able to copy a few panels in just an hour
But its much more difficult as well and I don't like the end product. But i'll keep doing it daily for an hour

>>7758976
Take the "post your fucking work" pill too bro

>>7758982
Sure. Its not good tho

>>7758991
Seems aight, but I can't nitpick hard enough if the ref ain't included in the image kek.

>>7758995
Sorry the refs are from a physical manga volume i dont have on me right now

>>7758026
her arm looks broken

>>7759013
It's fine, wasn't going to anyway since I'm not cut out to give meaningful criticism.

I would just say something like:
>shaky lines
>bad lineweight
>bad proportions
>poor contours
>wrong angles
>wrong shapes (size, ovals not good enough on the eyes etc)

>>7759019
I mean thats all true without even having to post the ref but i knew all of that already
Couldnt cope without lasso, liquify and ctrl+z so everythings a little off. Gonna see how it is in a month of drawing everyday on trad

I got inspired by someone that draws a lot of nsfw, so I wanted to do a bit of it
its unfinished, like the guy's hands and the shading on him and i don't really plan on finishing it anytime soon or posting it anywhere but here, so yeah
here's the full image: https://litter.catbox.moe/f9x3snhf5e196m5d.png

>>7758991
Reminds me of pewdiepie.

>>7757105
I've done nothing but copy other peoples art. I might start learning some of my fundies soon here though

>>7759066
Its supposed to be tatsu from gokushufudou
I probably fucked it up tho

>>7757105
Why is this even a question? David Finch said it’s critical. It’s how artists at the Paris Salon learned, it’s how all the great comic and manga artists learned, it’s how everyone learns. “Draw from life” doesn’t mean “draw ONLY from life”.

I just can't get eyes and lips right man

>>7758784
You do know that they also break things down using construction methods right? You're shooting yourself in the foot by associating things arbitrarily like this. Japanese people are just as much of an ape as you are.

>>7758924
Had some time tonight and was hoping to finish this off. But I got stumped on her left hand and shoulder. I think I've fucked the arm and it's angle/perspective up and I'm not sure how. RiP.

>>7758928
I unironically wish I was as short as Rob Schneider.

>>7758941
hot

>>7758991
>>7759081
Was instantly recognizable.

I need to do some proper studies.

>>7759106
Leave it as is, normies will never notice. Dont get stuck on trying to fix it imo

>>7758991
You're right it isn't good. It's great. I believe in you, pencilbro.

>>7759106
I thoroughly believe that clothes ruines the beauty of the body. Born to streak, forced to drip.

Maybe you should have angled the belt a smidge to emphasize the tilt you wanted? Clothes are my cryptonite.

>>7756909 (OP)
Beg checking in. Posted the 3 steps.

Any help welcome as well as critics. I was almost stopping, but I got past it and I want to hear your honest opinion.

It's honestly my best at the moment, but do not hold your words out pen for redlines.

>>7759105
Really great

Is using figgies as ref cheating?

>>7759179
What is the point of this post?

>>7758938
I'm always flattered anon, irl has been such a time hog lately that I've barely had time to draw my routine morning figgies, but I'm set on creating a blog sooner rather than later

>>7759106
I love the lineart, has a very homely/traditional illustration feel to it. Were you the anon that once drew the "suffocated by the heat" maid with her little master? Anyway, gj anon

Alright chat who wants to take cocaine and draw all day

>>7759179
yes

>>7759119
It seems you are starting from details, just adding more as the drawing goes on. Have you tried starting with looser, larger, non comittal shapes? Anyway, this is nice, it's better than what remember seeing from you so far

>>7759105
Very cool anon, did you start from a trad sketch?

>>7759217
No. you're turning 3d into 2d, essentially you're just using sculptures as inspo for your art but weeb version. Classical realist painters did this and still do this all the the time, get the fuck outta here

>>7758757
AI

>>7759239
pwoofs?

>>7759106
love a big lady
>>7759105
very high quality work
>>7759212
awesome

>>7759218
Thanks the answer. I usually start with head shape, or eyes. It's what you meant to say?

When I started I had no intention to go past the face but then attempted to proceed a bit more.

A 4th NIHUGOD viral POST HAS HIT THE TIMELINE.
>Not even a full year drawing
SOMEONE STOP HIM. HE IS TOO TALENTED.
https://x.com/Nihu77/status/1978142876358823999

>>7759306
this is really weird. his stuff is usually a lot more proportionate

>>7759253
ai torso

>>7759309
because it's a 1:1 3dpig body with a animu face, it's been disproportionate since day 1 and will be for life

>>7757440
drawing the marvel way vibes

>>7757492
Can anyone specialiazed in anime hags tell me how to make her look like a divorced and middle aged mother of three without making her look too old?
I tried to make the face longer to remove more neoteny and she looks like an alien and trying to add wrinkles, crows feet, expression lines doesnt really work in anime without making her look like a granny and the artists I have chosen to plagiarize dont draw old women....

>>7759311
I miss AI torso schizo

>>7759315
AI dog
>>7759330
AI trees
>>7759340
AI PBS

>>7759340
BRUTALMOG

>>7759253
you're tellin me this nigga drew a good torso and shading but drew 6 fingers?

>>7758491
post grid material plz

Dont really know what to draw today..... maybe cars? I never tried that.

>>7759353
violent gay rape perhaps?

>>7759353
You want to draw cp draw it just don't post it here

>>7759340
Did you just make her face and nose a bit longer?

>>7759357
Of course this was a Paige post.

>>7759353
a big titty anime girl

>>7759361
Huh?

>>7759382
Looks underage.

>>7759386
lmao

>>7756909 (OP)
I'm hating myself more and more everyday.

>>7758839
faux anime sloppa no japanese genes no skill ook ook unga bunga monkey sounds

>>7759403
Man that mechanic must be a real problem if soldiers are needed.

>>7759257
>9
DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERMAAAAAAAN

(lovely art :3)

>>7759359
Why did you do that to saber

>>7759441
literally who

>>7757253
>>7758427

Today concludes my first year drawing
1/2

>>7759481
2/2
>maximum file size 4mb.

another probably finalized character design for the vn
this is the protagonist in his general outfit, as opposed to his engineer coveralls or anything more revealing does he look ok? does he give uke vibes?

somewhat pavelesqe but cool

>>7759486
>>7759481
This is making me feel highly suicidal right in the middle of my shift knowing that I could spend another 5 years and dont reach a tenth of this skill.

>>7759486
>file size 4mb.
use 4chan xt

>>7759491
fuck

>>7759497
>5 years - 15 minutes a day
lol

>>7759456
very nice style

>>7759499
Bro looks like it would die happy if he could go out sucking dick deep in his throat but is not allowed.

>>7759534
that's a good vibe for him to give off, as he is homosexual and a bottom.

drawing still poses my hated! so many straight lines

Any crit?
>>7758119
Cute

>>7759557
Even still poses should have energy and flow. Find good references to copy

>>7759353
More

i dont get it man i sure fucking wish the online galleries for fucking art weren't full of pin up poses from AI and 3D GARBAGE , that way i could see other artists artwork without having to use X or whatever hole the japanese are currently using.

>>7759353
Another car

>>7759353
And some random resident evil thing.

>cant even draw a circle
its over

Sorry for bumping this corpse, but I need someone to critizice my work

>>7759610
Hmmm looks...LE BAD

I’ve finally gotten used to my screeners tablet. Whoever told me to browse the internet with it thank you

Im on day 2 trad
How to use kneaded eraser? I tried to erase my lines i drew with the B pencil with it and trace with the mechanical pencil. Am i doing it right?

>>7759641
its just an eraser lol there is no magic to it
you can knead a small tip and use that to erase small areas where you need precision i guess

nice study

>>7759646
what brushes on procreate are these?

Is 3D models cheating

>>7759663
no such thing exists
just tools

>>7759610
learn to draw the parts of the face first, try the eyes, then try the lips and nose, the ears and then you can try the whole face, you gotta learn little by little anon.

>>7759646
Might be just an eraser but theres some finesse to it
Ill check some videos out on it.
Cute girl

>All these talentfags appearing out of nowhere and mogging pbs into a coma
Brutal.

>>7759671
>talentfags
I only see begs anon...

>>7759661
this one
https://files.catbox.moe/05hjs5.brush