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Anonymous No.7782568 [Report] >>7782590 >>7782592 >>7782637 >>7782657 >>7782692 >>7782699 >>7782716 >>7782768 >>7782792 >>7782945 >>7783026 >>7785635 >>7785655 >>7786362
How long is too long for a commission? Two months ago I forked over $90 to a twitter artist and haven’t heard back from them since
Anonymous No.7782584 [Report]
too long is anything past what you've agreed on
stop making retarded threads
Anonymous No.7782590 [Report] >>7782613
>>7782568 (OP)
For $90, realistically if it isn't done within the week, they either forgot about it, or they're waffling and it's going to suck balls anyway.
Anonymous No.7782592 [Report] >>7782613
>>7782568 (OP)
You got scammed.
Anonymous No.7782613 [Report]
>>7782592
>>7782590
shit lesson learned I guess
Anonymous No.7782614 [Report]
The longest commission I experienced for a 2D drawing featuring 2 characters was from a Highschool Malaysian girl, about 3 days for 100usd.
Anonymous No.7782637 [Report] >>7782658
>>7782568 (OP)
80% of my commissions took over 3 months. I fucking had it and just turned to AI.
AI didn't take over the industry, artists are just so fucking lazy there was nothing to take over in the first place, might as well just give money to a scammer.
Anonymous No.7782657 [Report] >>7782677
>>7782568 (OP)
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN MEEEEEEEEEE WHY DO SCAMMERS GET COMMISIONS BUT I DONT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Anonymous No.7782658 [Report] >>7782686
>>7782637
>most subtle AI falseflag ever
Anonymous No.7782666 [Report]
Pay some guys to kick his ass.
Anonymous No.7782677 [Report]
>>7782657
Too many retards think that daily uploads means quick commissions.
Anonymous No.7782686 [Report] >>7782705 >>7782729
>>7782658
prove me wrong.
artists suck shit at completing their work in a reasonable timeframe (within a month).
the ones that do are extremely rare.
Anonymous No.7782692 [Report] >>7782698 >>7782701
>>7782568 (OP)
>twitter artist
Seriously, I do not understand why everyone hires artists over fucking twitter of all things.
Why not hire your plumber, electrician, or builder via twitter too?
But I suppose if your budget is $90, it makes sense that you'd only want a hobbyist, but surely there's better sites for that than fucking twitter?
Anonymous No.7782698 [Report] >>7782729 >>7782746 >>7782751
>>7782692
Name 3 sites better than Twitter for hiring artists that are not the gacha machine that is fanbox.
Anonymous No.7782699 [Report]
>>7782568 (OP)
Why didn't you ask for a sketch?

I always provide a sketch first, precisely because I want them to know that I am serious.

Anyway, poor lad
Contant the artist. Maybe he just forgot?
Anonymous No.7782701 [Report] >>7782729
>>7782692
There are, in fact, not better sites than twitter.
You really think people are browsing artists on Linkedin?
Anonymous No.7782705 [Report]
>>7782686
This is true, but moreso because /beg/s want to take commissions too early to prove they made it or some shit, and refuse to accept the fact that everything good they've ever made has been on accident and they can't produce the kind of quality expected on demand.
Anonymous No.7782716 [Report]
>>7782568 (OP)
Half up front. Half when they give you the actual work. Also pester them for updates. Artists should be updating you if you commission them or crowdfund.
Anonymous No.7782729 [Report] >>7782739
>>7782698
I'm not hiring artists, so I'm not looking for sites or reviewing them, but based on my precursory knowledge these three have this in common;
They act as a middleman and ensure rgR the work is delivered and protects the customer. If the work isn't delivered, or isn't delivered in a satisfactory time limit, or does not meet the client's brief, the money is returned.
>Fiverr
>Deviantart
>VGen
Not to say these sites are great either, since I haven't been on anything other than deviantart, and deviantart has gone to shit, but the fact that they offer protections still stands. Not to mention they all offer their own means of paying the artist, rather than going off platform.

>Haha those sites su-
As I said, I'm not looking up sites, because I'm not the one hiring an artist. I'm not doing the due diligence for you.

>>7782701
Despite all I'm saying here, I wasn't even specifically talking about using another site made for commissions, but rather, I was talking about finding out if someone was professional - simply having a twitter profile is not an indication of such.
Check their website, see their client testimonials, maybe see if they have other socials where people have reviewed their interactions with them, etc.

So yeah, maybe DO check their Linkedin, it's another means of checking their credibility.
Though you can't expect much from someone working for $90.
>That's sooo much work
Then don't go whinging about losing money on hiring a slack ass artist, when you yourself are being a slack ass.

>>7782686
>prove me wrong.
I would say 'look at any industry that's heavily dependent on artists', but I realise a lot of them are notorious for their delays - such as comics or video games - so maybe you're right.
That said, that only means that meeting the deadlines gives you a leg up, should you choose to do this professionally.
Anonymous No.7782734 [Report] >>7782748 >>7783315
>half now half later
if you're an artist don't do this unless you're literally doing commissions that are 400usd+ minimum and even then i'd highly recommend against it unless it's with commissioners you trust. don't waste your time splitting anything less than 100usd lol
>how long is too long
depending on wait lists you could be waiting 6+ months before the artist even touches your comm. are you their only commissioner? Are you 5th in line? it's your job to know this before you hand random people your money desu
Anonymous No.7782739 [Report] >>7782750
>>7782729
This makes so many wrong assumptions on why people buy commissions.
Anonymous No.7782746 [Report]
>>7782698
Discord, Twitch, FurAffinity
>but i'll get groomed!!!!
Well yeah artists are freaks what did you expect
Anonymous No.7782748 [Report] >>7782757
>>7782734
wait lists isn't the issue, it's taking the money and not delivering anything for months or even years on end.
Anonymous No.7782750 [Report]
>>7782739
I'm assuming you're talking about the want to hire a particular artist, rather than just getting a piece of art from anybody. While that defo comes into play, I believe most commissioners don't put that much stock into it.
It also doesn't change that you should probably do your due diligence and see if that artist you like is reliable.

So my comment does actually address that, but do tell if I'm missing something else.
Anonymous No.7782751 [Report]
>>7782698
ebay
etsy
>offer buyer and seller protection
reddit
>dedicated pages for finding buyers and sellers
Anonymous No.7782757 [Report] >>7783315
>>7782748
It's common to pay upfront to secure your spot on a waitlist and be waiting months for your art, especially with popular artists.
>years
It was two months according to OP, which is less than the amount of time you'd be waiting for a single Skeb commission, which can often take 4+ months, with no communication.
Anonymous No.7782768 [Report] >>7782773 >>7782923
>>7782568 (OP)
>Commission someone from here almost two years ago and pay them upfront
>Days turned into weeks and then into months and into several months
>Too autistic to ask them directly fearing I might offend them somehow with their busy schedule
>Eventually they moved onto other commissions
I guess they just forgot.
Anonymous No.7782773 [Report]
>>7782768
No reason you can't bring it up now.
I'm sure you have the receipt floating about somewhere in your inbox, just gently remind them.
Anonymous No.7782792 [Report] >>7782796
>>7782568 (OP)
On that topic, how long do commissioners usually expect updates to their comms? Two months doesn't sound that long for a complex comm, but if I got a comm like that I'd try to update progress at least biweekly
Anonymous No.7782796 [Report]
>>7782792
Assuming you're not getting paid like $2000 for it, if it's not done in under a week something is going horribly wrong.
Anonymous No.7782814 [Report]
Paying someone else to make me art seems like admitting defeat. If I can't do it myself, I'll keep at it til I can.
Anonymous No.7782869 [Report]
why didnt you ask for updates after a few weeks? they might have forgot
Anonymous No.7782923 [Report] >>7782924
>>7782768
I got commissioned for a medium sized project on 4chinz, guy ghosted me for months before he even sent me the brief, then months later blamed me for not replying even though I replied immediately, then claimed the email never reached him despite all this being in the same reply chain, then pretended he gave me a different brief despite me literally quoting him and the brief being in the same chain, then suddenly had a death in the family and was living on donating plasma when it got time to pay me.
Never working without payment upfront again.
Anonymous No.7782924 [Report] >>7782937
>>7782923
Oh, and it was supposed to be 50% paid after sketches, rest at the end, but he had emergency roof repairs when I sent him the sketches and I was a good goy and agreed to wait for the payment and keep working.
Anonymous No.7782937 [Report] >>7782941
>>7782924
>I sent him the sketches and I was a good goy and agreed to wait for the payment and keep working.
That's less of a good guy move, and more of a sucker move.
At least you learnt from it.
Anonymous No.7782939 [Report]
How is this even a thread lmao.
Anonymous No.7782941 [Report]
>>7782937
I didn't say good guy, thoughbeit
Anonymous No.7782945 [Report] >>7782946
>>7782568 (OP)
I never understood how some artists take weeks to complete some drawings. For me, 3 hours are enough for a full color with background and one character. Maybe it's because I suck, but what do they do in all that time?
Anonymous No.7782946 [Report]
>>7782945
You do suck, you won't even get a green light on the preliminary sketch in 3 hours, and queues are a thing
Anonymous No.7782976 [Report]
Most artists are bad businessman unfortunately. Not everyone can draw for money.
I noticed that myself. I'm very picky about what comms I accepts and I prefer the "your character here" format.
Anonymous No.7783026 [Report]
>>7782568 (OP)
depends, the cheaper the commission the more likely the longer it takes cause the artist backlog is so filled up that they forgot a few people's orders. 90 bucks should be done within a week IF they are someone who has a small following otherwise you'll get in a few weeks or any longer than that then you gotten scammed/artist forgot.
Anonymous No.7783238 [Report]
Id known this one dude for several years, move outta town, move back see him and his "co-creator" (they'd released some shiity comic). Buy it anyways cause "hey its so -and-so support local, support artists". Hit 'em up on jewbook to commission another piece. Asks $200. Paid em no problem. Took a year and a half to get my money back. Went to a place he drinks coffee at, sent messages, even went to some mini-con outside of town. Everytime all smiles and excuses. Finally find he's involved with another "company" and message them explaining this is the type you're getting involved with. Month later money paid.

Tldr; >fucker rips me off for a shitty commision
>tool damn near two years to get $200 back
>only after being an asshole
A true artist
Anonymous No.7783315 [Report]
>>7782734
>are you their only commissioner? Are you 5th in line? it's your job to know this before you hand random people your money desu
You’re right. The artist actually warned me they’re not actively looking for commissions and that it would take awhile. I don’t even blame them for making me wait, though. I just wish I could get more than radio silence when I ask for an update. Even something like “hey umm I haven’t started yet bc I was on a three week bender” would make me feel much better, because then at least I know they haven’t forgotten

>>7782757
>It was two months according to OP, which is less than the amount of time you'd be waiting for a single Skeb commission, which can often take 4+ months, with no communication.
That sounds fair. Honestly, it’s my fault for blowing $90 on a porn drawing as a financially insecure wagie. If I could realistically afford what I bought then I wouldn’t worry
Anonymous No.7785635 [Report]
>>7782568 (OP)
Depends on the complexity of the piece and the amount of work the artist has on their plate. You have a nuclear option available to you, but it's ultimately your decision wether or not to go that route, and that's to fuck with his kofi/PayPal account.

>Ask for an update
>If you hear nothing after a week ask again (and warn them you're considering reporting him to PayPal if you don't hear back after a week.)
>If you still hear nothing after a week you should flag the payment on PayPal and request a refund

You're probably not going to get your refund I'm sorry to say.
But this will completely fuck their PayPal account up (maybe permanently) and you'll make the artist regret the day he ever chose to ghost you and take the money and run.
This whole commission freelance thing runs on blind trust between patron and artist. Anyone who fucks with the social contract deserves to be pushed out of the arena. And I say this as an artist who can't stand hearing from people about how they got scammed by jeets on fiverr or how they're all queueing around the block to get a comm on vgen or skib, because western artists can't be trusted.
That artist isn't just fucking with you, he's fucking with the collective reputation of all western commission artists when he does this.
Anonymous No.7785655 [Report] >>7786148
>>7782568 (OP)
>2 months ago
why the fuck didn't you even ask for sketch/progress pics after 2 weeks radio silence?
Did you even try asking the artist for an ETA when you paid?
Anonymous No.7785977 [Report]
what the anon said about the waitlist. a few times i’ve taken some months to get to a commission when i had a number of others piled up around work hours and rl also heavily interfered, and since it was going to take so long and the commissioner had been the final slot on my list, i wanted to go above and beyond and give them something twice the quality they’d paid for, so it took even a longer to make this happen. i delivered and it turned out really well, but yeah. i never forgot about them even a single day of that time while i was trying to get all my shit done till i could mail it to them, so yeah. sometimes it can take a very long time, if all the planets align, but it’s quite possible your artist is still thinking about you a lot and is having private anxieties about how long they’re having to make you wait.
Anonymous No.7786148 [Report] >>7786285 >>7786446
>>7785655
Not op but some of us are too nice or afraid to ask as it may offend the artist.
Anonymous No.7786285 [Report]
>>7786148
You are insane dude.
Anonymous No.7786362 [Report] >>7786412
>>7782568 (OP)

it's not that they should have it done by 2 months (a complex rendered illustration can realistically take that long), just that they should contact you back within at least 3 weeks. if they aren't, they fucked you over. that's what you get for using social media to commission someone though.
Anonymous No.7786412 [Report] >>7786478
>>7786362
2 months for an internet commission? Unless they're paying literally 10k+ for that, fuck no.
Anonymous No.7786446 [Report]
>>7786148
>too afraid
jesus anon you deserve to lose the money
Anonymous No.7786478 [Report] >>7786482
>>7786412

most of the artists i work for are neurotic trannies who can't hold a stable job and rack up "emergency commissions" like crazy, but i get good art at third world prices and they often times feel guilty about the delay and offer up freebies too.
Anonymous No.7786482 [Report] >>7786767
>>7786478
>emergency commission
>procrastinates for 5 days before starting to draw
Anonymous No.7786767 [Report]
>>7786482
"3rd world prices" be happy you dont just get spit in the mail.