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Anonymous No.7785052 [Report] >>7785083 >>7785088 >>7785167 >>7785172 >>7785230 >>7785532 >>7785619 >>7785640 >>7785718 >>7785726 >>7785750 >>7785765 >>7785800 >>7786389 >>7786435 >>7786443 >>7786462 >>7786471 >>7786630
Does anyone else really dislike this harsh black shading that cape so many cape shit artists use?
It looks unnatural, characters will be in broad daylight and they are shaded like their under a studio overhead lamp.
Anonymous No.7785077 [Report]
Sorry anon, you still have to learn shading.
Anonymous No.7785083 [Report]
>>7785052 (OP)
Its rendering you fucking retarded weeb faggot.
Anonymous No.7785088 [Report]
>>7785052 (OP)
Nobody takes American comics seriously so who cares?
Anonymous No.7785167 [Report]
>>7785052 (OP)
>t. has never made a comic
Anonymous No.7785172 [Report]
>>7785052 (OP)
I don't like it, but I don't like it because it looks really bad in color. It looks fine in black and white.
Anonymous No.7785230 [Report] >>7785473
>>7785052 (OP)
I think it looks awesome. Get better taste bro.
Anonymous No.7785473 [Report] >>7785476
>>7785230
and i think it looks like shit.
grow up, blud.
Anonymous No.7785476 [Report] >>7785605 >>7785623
>>7785473
How can you say this, while sucking the dick of totally b/w comics? Just admit you hate western art and wouldn't like it no matter how it's drawn. If you try hard enough, maybe some desperate japanese dude will fuck you.
Anonymous No.7785531 [Report]
>why is there ink in this ink based art?
Anonymous No.7785532 [Report]
>>7785052 (OP)
Not even a fan of capeshit but I love it. It gives it a distinct look and texture. There's a reason it's so easily recognizable and easily parodied. Art isn't just about looking accurate or "right", it's also about looking unique in a way that'll make it stand out.
Anonymous No.7785605 [Report] >>7785608
>>7785476
Imagine defending the honor of capeshit in 2025. It’s not 1995 any more. You lost, comic book guy. Sell your collection and get an adult hobby. No matter how hard you go to bat for them, John Johnsonstein (the writer for Sticky-Whitestuff Man) and Mike Thomsonberg (the creator of Erect-Scharzeneggar-nipples Man) will not notice you. Also, not the anon you replied to since I know you’re dumb comic reading ass will assume I am
Anonymous No.7785608 [Report] >>7785615
>>7785605
Christ you write like such a millennial.
Did you "Squee and Ex-Dee" the entire time you wrote that comment, faggot?
Anonymous No.7785615 [Report] >>7785621
>>7785608
Cope and sneed, nerd. Go blame your fag industry who lost to “chink comics”
Anonymous No.7785619 [Report]
>>7785052 (OP)
it can look fine if stylized properly like your image. Where it looks extremely dogshit is when they do that sort of photo traced retarded look.
Anonymous No.7785621 [Report] >>7785630
>>7785615
I'm sure you thought that reply was 'amaze-balls'.
Anonymous No.7785623 [Report] >>7785633
>>7785476
>Just admit you hate western art
I love when capefaggots use this as a shield for criticism, when most people criticizing capeslop would probably admit to liking other western art.
Your cheap, soulless, traced garbage belongs in the 60s.
Anonymous No.7785630 [Report] >>7785634
>>7785621
>coward immediately disengages when he meets pushback
Comic bitch lmao
Anonymous No.7785633 [Report] >>7785646
>>7785623
>Your cheap, soulless, traced garbage belongs in the 60s.
I agree, manga should only go into the trash, har har.
You stupid faggots like to pretend you can actually intellectualise your hate for comics, or any other western made work, but then prove time and time again you know jack shit about anything.
At least admitting you just hate western art would be honest.
Anonymous No.7785634 [Report]
>>7785630
I responded though? Is this one of those cases where you think you win by having the last word?
Or did you actually think your last response actually made some sort of point worth adressing?
Anonymous No.7785640 [Report] >>7785643
>>7785052 (OP)
I don't like it. It makes everything looks too aggressive
Anonymous No.7785643 [Report]
>>7785640
>It makes everything looks too aggressive
That's probably a good thing for superhero comics though. I imagine young boys love that shit.
Anonymous No.7785646 [Report] >>7785654
>>7785633
>mention your retardation of generalizing to all western work
>double down on it by pointing out all western work again
Guess that's why capeshit still exists, you faggots are incapable of mental development
Anonymous No.7785654 [Report] >>7785657
>>7785646
>Claims western comics all copy
>Doesn't address the Jap drawing book recommending doing just that.
>Doesn't address the point of the post that weeb dibshits will just make shit up as a reason to hate western art
>Only focus on glib last line.
I refuse to have my intelligence insulted by a biased vehement weeb retard.
Also I'll triple down, you hate western art, fuck you.
Anonymous No.7785657 [Report]
>>7785654
anon, this is a forum for adults, control your temper.
Anonymous No.7785660 [Report] >>7785670 >>7785678
>harsh black shasing, Nippon
Anonymous No.7785670 [Report]
>>7785660
>Red Line
Jap Wacky Racers is so good.
Anonymous No.7785678 [Report] >>7785687 >>7785692 >>7786440
>>7785660
>subtle dynamic shadow shapes
VS
>scruffy overdetailed muscleshit in the OP
Not helping your case
Anonymous No.7785687 [Report]
>>7785678
good joh using nothing words you cant attach any meaning to those pics

you will never be a jap
Anonymous No.7785692 [Report]
>>7785678
>subtle dynamic shadow shapes
The movie is known for it's bold shadows, the heck you on about?
Anonymous No.7785695 [Report] >>7785697
it's ok when japan
Anonymous No.7785697 [Report]
>>7785695
you get it finally
Anonymous No.7785709 [Report] >>7785942
>heavy inks
>heavy inks JAPAN
Anonymous No.7785715 [Report] >>7785719 >>7785720
>yet another thread of capeshitters seething over nothing
this board is a dumpster
Anonymous No.7785718 [Report]
>>7785052 (OP)
I was never a fan of it either, and I can't really put my finger on why it bothers me in comics when there are many examples of harsh shadows I actually like.
Anonymous No.7785719 [Report] >>7785724
>>7785715
Anon, I think all posts are by the same schizo.
Anonymous No.7785720 [Report]
>>7785715
>thread starts by critiquing common capeshit drawing technique
>barely gets pushback against the premise
>cries
>"board is... le dead!"

I can think of many worse problems
Anonymous No.7785722 [Report] >>7785723 >>7785733
there really was no black in the old comics.
Anonymous No.7785723 [Report]
>>7785722
AAAIIIIIEEEE DELETE THIS
Anonymous No.7785724 [Report]
>>7785719
Yes, every post in this thread, all positions, are held by ME!
Anonymous No.7785726 [Report]
>>7785052 (OP)
I can't quite say why, but it definitely hurts the art, I think. I'd say it's because harsh inking does not mesh well with color, but I like a lot of european art that does harsh blacks on color and it looks fine. Maybe capeshit just relies too much on it?
Anonymous No.7785728 [Report]
jews cant make appealing art, simple as
Anonymous No.7785733 [Report] >>7785736 >>7785744
>>7785722
Jack Kirby's and Wally Wood's comics had a lot of solid blacks, so I disagree.
Anonymous No.7785736 [Report]
>>7785733
it does feel more deliberate there, like the naked woman has 0 blocky shadows, just some hatching, and the goblin/vampire/whatever in that right panel, while he has a bunch on his arms, the waist and legs are almost entirely devoid of it.
Yet in OPs spiderman, every single bit of fabric that isn't red is like 80% ink
Anonymous No.7785737 [Report]
OP actually believes four-colour cartoon pamphlets printed on cheap newsprint should've had fully painted art? Or maybe inkwashes? lol XD ?
Anonymous No.7785744 [Report] >>7785748
>>7785733
old CMYK comics on shitty newsprint has various skin cancer browns at best.
Anonymous No.7785748 [Report] >>7785777
>>7785744
Yes, old comics have faded, and their papers have yellowed... your point?
Anonymous No.7785750 [Report] >>7785755 >>7785768
>>7785052 (OP)
At least show art by the most famous Spider-Man artist, John Romita. Anyway, you are missing the historical context: comics during the "golden age" and "silver age" were printed on cheap newsprint. The art was also reproduced at a smaller size than the original. The style of drawing with a brush and laying in large areas of black with "feathering" (hatching done with a brush in which the lines go from thick to thin) was adapted to these constraints. The printer's ink would bleed slightly on the newsprint. Very fine lines and details would not reproduce well. You also have to keep in mind that those artists and their readers would have grown up watching black-and-white movies and TV shows in which this kind of shadowing was used for both aesthetic and practical reasons. Comics were cheap entertainment for kids that had to be produced quickly. That said, some of the artists in those early days were really outstanding. The style became associated with the comics, and evolved somewhat over time. Sadly, there aren't many comic book artists today who compare favorably to the greats of the past. Digital coloring is hideous, and digital inking tends to look harsh in a way that trad doesn't, but it's also just a question of drawing ability. Comics, like illustration more generally, had their heyday and then fell into decline. Whether the art falling off was a cause or an effect of that, I'm not sure.
Anonymous No.7785755 [Report] >>7785761
>>7785750
>Whether the art falling off was a cause or an effect of that, I'm not sure.
Is that single panel from OP's post even really that bad? In the context it was supposed to be seen in, a panel in a page full of them, it probably looks fine.
Anonymous No.7785761 [Report]
>>7785755
The drawing is not terrible (although I'm not sure what's going on with the pelvis). The color as reproduced is making my eyes bleed. I don't know if that's how it was published or if somebody jacked up the saturation.
Anonymous No.7785765 [Report] >>7785770
>>7785052 (OP)
the art is shit on purpose, to attract only the kind of people who would consoom without questioning quality.
Anonymous No.7785768 [Report] >>7785771
>>7785750
https://youtu.be/xoGLNYrS-MI?si=MfnL9Etw3judu-iP
Here's a video of one of the GOATs, John Buscema, drawing Captain America and inking with a brush. This was filmed when Buscema was dying of cancer, but his skill is still on display.
And here's a blog of "lost drawings" by Buscema. If you scroll through, you'll gain some appreciation for just how much this guy drew. And he didn't even like comics! It was a job he fell into.
Anonymous No.7785770 [Report]
>>7785765
>the art is shit on purpose
Then you must be able to make art better than the 'purposely shit' art, right? Pfft.
Anonymous No.7785771 [Report]
>>7785768
Forgot to include the link!
https://buscemalostdrawings.wordpress.com/
Anonymous No.7785777 [Report]
>>7785748btw
the CMYK ink actually does not evaporate into the ether as a matter of fact. Do you actually think old comics looked like new comics do now when they were printed lol xd? Have you ever seen a comic book irl (in real life)? The ink absorbed into the paper the moment it was printed. OP's image has been touched up and recoloured by Marvel for their online services and reprints, it's not what the original comic looked like. the "black" was never black in old comics, at best you get a really dark brown.

The point was this is art that was made with reproduction in mind, which was shitty four colour printing on shitty absorbing paper. You actually don't get real black in the old comics so the effect isn't that harsh.
Anonymous No.7785800 [Report] >>7786582
>>7785052 (OP)
It’s not that I’m defending 'capeshit' [a style I actually can’t stand] but that heavy shading is just another neutral aesthetic choice. Artistic choices don’t need to be 100% realistic. I mean, in drawings, since when does a realistic person have a solid outline around their body? In a way, heavy shading is just an extension of that outline. The real problem with capeshit is more philosophical: treating anatomical accuracy as an end in itself instead of just one ingredient among others.

Picrel: even though I hate the 'creative communism' of japs, it’s undeniable they have an intrinsic aesthetic.
Anonymous No.7785931 [Report] >>7785942
>Immediate seething over Japanese art
Ryan Ottley doesn't use that harsh black shading, he's American and his art is awesome.
I don't understand why this board has to turn everything into console wars.
Anonymous No.7785938 [Report]
irasuto: marutei bagguru
Anonymous No.7785942 [Report] >>7785957
>>7785931
Because as this anon (>>7785709) pointed out, there are anons who just want to hate on anything that isn't made in japan.
It's just a case of picrel, or in this particular instance:
>Comics
Ew! American Slop!
>Manga (Comics)
Now this... this is art.
Anonymous No.7785951 [Report] >>7786423
I've always liked these illustrations (only sharing one here) Frazetta did in 1954 for a story called "Came the Dawn." They were commissioned by Bill Gaines (EC Comics, MAD, etc.) and were meant to be published in one of his magazines. However, the magazine in question went belly-up and the illustrations were never completed. Great use of solid black shadows, and the woman is stunning.
Anonymous No.7785957 [Report] >>7785974
>>7785942
No one has isn't a knuckle dragger has ever unironically said this
>Ryan Ottley
>Steven Rhodes
>Todd McFarlane
>Jaime Hewitt
Are all awesome contemporary comic artists. People who post the Japan = Good shit posts like what you did are just coping because the vast majority of capeshit artists draw in the most foul, and repulsive art styles.
Anonymous No.7785974 [Report] >>7785990
>>7785957
>No one has isn't a knuckle dragger has ever unironically said this
>the vast majority of capeshit artists draw in the most foul, and repulsive art styles.
Right, and when people post make those ironic posts, they're just coping, because the vast majority of isekai and romance manga are boring and dull, both in story and in visuals.
Anonymous No.7785990 [Report] >>7786012
>>7785974
Capeshitters are not one to talk about writing quality.
Anonymous No.7785996 [Report] >>7786026 >>7786033
Haha, got you!

Your immediate thought as you read the lines above were that I was attacking manga or anime, you can pretend that wasn't the case, but look at how you got defensive.
That's exactly how people are going to perceive the criticisms of capeshit comics - because they're not written to be critiques of just superhero comics, they're clearly a lambasting of all western comics, in the same way above comes across as an attack on all manga.
They know what they're doing, just like I knew what I was doing, and just like you know what you're doing.

So parade around your cherrypicked western artists and pretend that you aren't just some weeb hating on all western art, we all know what you're actually doing.
Anonymous No.7786012 [Report]
>>7785990
Yapanese superior cartoons, folded a thousand times.
Anonymous No.7786026 [Report] >>7786054
>>7785996
I like european comics, what now capetroon
Anonymous No.7786033 [Report] >>7786054
>>7785996
There are plenty well written Americans comics. Just not cape shit. How hard is that to understand?
Anonymous No.7786054 [Report]
>>7786026
>>7786033
And there are plenty of manga that isn't romance or isekai, what are you not getting?
Anonymous No.7786345 [Report]
Posting this on /co/ and /ic/? Get a life.
Anonymous No.7786389 [Report]
>>7785052 (OP)

you're criticizing a subjective yet widely mainstream art style, so it figures there will be bickering in the comments section.

i like it personally, but i don't like it when it's paired with bright, saturated costume colors and pastel backgrounds.

anything beats ugly screen tone crosshatched mangaslop though.
Anonymous No.7786423 [Report] >>7786430 >>7786431
>>7785951
Why did Frazetta draw on a grid? I've seen Otomo do the same thing. Anyone know?
Anonymous No.7786430 [Report]
>>7786423
Could be to maintain proportions.
Anonymous No.7786431 [Report]
>>7786423
for redrawing bigger later? I saw Bouguereau doing it too. but not sure why comic artists would need that
riku No.7786435 [Report]
>>7785052 (OP)
You're alone on this one man!
I love this style of shading, it has so much charm to it
Anonymous No.7786440 [Report]
>>7785678
>subtle
half the characters are covered with pure black, i agree the painted on outfits from superheroes look stupid, specially with hyper defined anatomy, but your way of arguing for it is retarded
Anonymous No.7786443 [Report]
>>7785052 (OP)
No. It looks amazing when done properly.
Anonymous No.7786462 [Report]
>>7785052 (OP)
I love it and I always have.
Anonymous No.7786471 [Report]
>>7785052 (OP)
solids blacks are awesome
the problem starts when you add color and fuck up the values aka modern capeshit
Anonymous No.7786582 [Report]
>>7785800
Majora's Mask art direction was directly inspired by Mike Mignola's art lmao
Anonymous No.7786630 [Report]
>>7785052 (OP)
Blame nostalgia for Old American comic books.

Even in fucking 2025, they still use actual blacks for shadows regardless of lighting conditions on the panel