>>211663147both had their tits out we think, but the Minoans did it first
>Minoansthe oldest civilization in Europe, probably not Indo-Europeans but their language hasn't been deciphered yet
from Crete, Knossos was their major palace complex, but they had others dotted around the island
they never expanded much outside, but they did have outposts on some islands, most notably Santorini(Akrotiri) and some other islands
seems they were mainly traders, Minoan goods have been found as far as Babylon and Egypt(they called it Keftiu)
women both in statues and murals had their tits out
they're genuine neolithic natives, the earliest forms of Minoan ceramic show up at around 3000BC but they really came into their own in the 1700BC with their massive palace complexes and extensive trade networks
multiple natural disasters and competition from other powers led to their decline and by the 1400s BC they got conquered by the
>Myceneansthey're Greeks, the original ones
Indo-Europeans who migrated out of the steppes and ended up conquering and assimilating the native Stone Age Neolithic populations, conquering what would end up becoming Greece
"Mycenaean" is just a term we use for convenience because Mycenae was the biggest palace complex/city of the Greeks at the time, they're just the real life Achaean Greeks Homer talks about in his poems and probably called themselves something like that (surviving contemporary records from the Hittites refer to them as the "Ahhiyawa")
they imported a lot of Minoan culture from the 1700s on, we see a lot of Minoan styles and goods in their graves, including depictions of women with their tits out
they kept building Palace-Fortresses all over Greece and the Aegean while the Minoans declined and by the 1400sBC even Crete was under Greek control
from then on Greece was,well, Greek
Mycenaeans after the Bronze Age collapse enter a period of decline for 300 years before the classic Greek poleis begin emerging
hope that helped
>>211663184very!