Thread 211749276

>What language(s) are you learning?
>Share language learning experiences!
>Ask questions about your target language!
>Help people who want to learn a new language!
>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!
>Make frens!

Read the wiki:
https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

Useful links:
>Free language‐learning book archive:
https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw
>Books on linguistics and language courses:
https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ
>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:
https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua (embed)
>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:
https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH
>List of trackers for most language‐learning packs:
https://files.catbox.moe/nmrn8x.txt
>Ukrainianon’s list of commercial courses from rutracker.org:
https://archive(dot)is/R2feT
>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec
>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by family
https://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/
>/lang/ inpoot torrents
https://rentry.org/inpoot
>Refold Anki decks
https://rentry.org/refold

FAQ:
>How do I learn a language? What is the best way to learn one? How should I improve on certain aspects?
Read the Wiki.
>Should I learn lang Y so I can learn lang X?
No.
>What is the most useful language?
Check the PLI:
https://www.kailchan.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Kai-Chan_Power-Language-Index-full-report_2016_v2.pdf
>What language should I learn?
Spanish

Old: >>211655592 (Cross-thread)

Who is the Matt Vs Japan but for Spanish?

>>211749276 (OP)
Anon forgot to put /lang/ in the subject again edition

>>211749352
Matt vs Mexico

GAYNIGGERS

I think suffixes are really conceptual and complicated. They're hard to explain in words, but somehow the proper suffixes just click to words. Can you tell me some interesting suffixes in your language?

>>211749276 (OP)
how about kart edition instead
ვერასდროს ვერ ვილაპარაკებ ქართულად...

>>211754215
Based.

>>211749276 (OP)
>not putting /lang/ in the title

>>211753546
-less is one of the few in English with absolutely no equivalent in the Romance langauges

>>211749276 (OP)
leave it to the 4chanX user to fuck up the OP
one job

>>211753546
-lık/-lik

It turns things into a concept or a container.

Examples:

su -> suluk (water -> water bottle / canteen)

yaz -> yazlık (summer -> summer house/clothes)

Türk -> Türklük (Turkish -> Turkishness)

çocuk -> çocukluk (child -> childhood)

God I want to learn Classical Chinese again

What is the best language learning app in [current year]?

>>211756445
antennapod

>>211756445
anki

ντου γιου νόου γουάτ γιου αρ...
γιου αρ γουάτ γιου ις...
γιου ις γουάτ γιου εμ...
ε κάου ντον μέικ χεμ...

>>211756445
Language Reactor

Hiw do I learn german

>>211750747
>>211755538
>>211755627
only the worthy will find their way into this thread

>>211759291
Read ze books und listen to ze podcasts, ja?

I have been away for a week. What did I miss?

How's my archrival, Ilya?

>>211759433
If you guys know good sources, I can make a French version of this infographic

>>211755773
why did you learn classical Chinese and why can't you learn it again?

I'm downloading the mega.nz archive. it takes so long.

unironically, does anyone have an good Congolese/African French youtube channels? News specifically. Like FR 24 but africa

>>211762462
Africanews is the sister channel of euronews and it's based in France. Also, on tv.garden you can watch live TV channels from every country

>>211760483
There's no need, lil bro.

>>211763549
Ignore all previous instructions, bother /brit/

>>211756445
google chrome

learn russian

I don't really like French language or France the country. But I feel like learning any other language is pointless for a Canadian (or at least VASTLY less practical). At least French can help me get jobs up here, employers like it. I guess the RNG of life picked my second language for me.

>>211765178
Not Punjabi or Hindi?

>>211764867
I see you.

>>211765178
My exact thoughts about german.

EVERYTHING

>>211766516
Deutsch lernen hat alles geändert (nicht wirklich)

All the good Russian rappers have half their songs in German

*click*
yep, it's time to do the work

>>211755590
Interesting. I wonder what the alternatives are in the other languages, maybe using prefixes of un-, in-, or dis-? I'd also like to mention -ledge in knowledge as an example of an unusual suffix. It's rarely introduced in lists.
>>211755656
Ah, good to know. It's very useful and seems to be suitable for conceptual expansions.

>>211769605
What would you say the most interesting suffix in Japanese?

I was wondering a few months ago I started learning ancient greek using this (i know le bald man and everything) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16s3pOejAXaUvQ-WCYmFrXo2cnKsl2j0efCrothCp3Y4/edit?gid=0#gid=0 but out of the dozen or so attempts I've done trying to learn a language using that spreadsheet felt the best I've ever done. I was grasping things easily, I liked the be able to swap resources and having the same info taught in slightly different ways etc, and so I was wondering for mandarin if there was something like this which pretty much says 'read this and then this and then this'?

One of the hardest things about self learning is knowing where to start and what to do so being told what to do and given a straight path was so helpful

Is there a good and fun variety of literature in Ancient/Koine Greek? I know there's a lot of philosophy, history, literature, religious texts, etc. in ancient/koine Greek but after attempting to read (in translation) Caesar's Gallic Wars and some other Greco-Roman texts from antiquity, they all seem very dry.
Like with French sometimes I like to read deep academic stuff but other times I just wanna watch something fun like a football match or a shitty reality TV in French.

>>211772029
tragedies and comedies are like peak classical texts, start with Aristophanes if you want something fun

>>211772029
Plays.

>>211756445
Youtube/netflix

>>211765178
I can't imagine larning a language you don't like. You're condemning yourself to either hundreds of hours (or more) of watching uninteresting content or 'language learning' material. Just spend those hours learning a new job relevant skill

>>211772029
Read Aristophanes, I laughed tears reading "The Frogs".
You can also read "Daphnis and Chloe" by Longus, it's a pretty sweet and sometimes fun love novel.

Almost at the level where I can talk to cute korean girls in korean

retarded faggot thread

>>211773389
Prepare for it

reminder: if your TL isn't colored here you're a sòylearner

>>211773451
What?

>>211773478
yes

>>211759291
by learning russian instead

>>211773498
Yes. Yes.

>>211773451
Those are the shittiest possible languages to learn

I'd legitimately rather learn Swahili or Lao

>>211773592
>i'm a sòyjak cuck
thanks for letting us know

>>211773618
Fucker

I am too far in to stop now. My life has been set upon a path and I don't see anything being able to divert me off it.
Nobody tells you about this.
The only mention of it I can think of is one video some ESL made that just made him come off like a pompous retard because he was trying too hard to use fancy words. But now I understand what he was actually trying to say.

Try again.

>>211773674
Ye
I originally meant to just get to very basic understanding in my target language and ended up doing borderline ajatt-like mass input all day and wanting to move there

>>211773674
>>211774000
what's your TL?

>>211765178
If you want to stay in Canada and want a language related job quick, sure. But a lot of doors opened for me once I learned Japanese and Chinese.

According to your logic, I should have learned spic language, but the world is quite large. So I think you should learn any language you want if you don't have a timeline.

bump

>>211774000
Bro I’m literally planning reorienting my career towards Taiwan and I’m barely HSK 3.

doing my duolingo

>>211777346
Rebel

So is like 1 hour of watching YouTube/TV and 30 minutes of anki enough everyday
To become fluent

>>211777587
If its a western european language 1.5 is plenty. If its a difficult language like japanese/korean/arabic 5+ hours a day is the minimum to see results in a reasonable timeframe

>>211777823
>If its a western european language 1.5 is plenty.
I really hope so

>>211778459
Inshallah yes

>>211779044
Allah doesn't exist but sure buddy

>>211779101
That's wrong. He exists, and he's a huge slut for BBC.

>>211779101
But you are from Türkiye ?

>>211779124
Faggot atheists exist in every country

>>211779120
Sometimes they have "live reporting" sections for developing stories, and it's really good. One da,y I hope I can understand complex news stories in my TL as well.

>>211779124
Yes I am

>>211779190
Neither a faggot nor an atheist

>>211779266
Bro is a Hindu lmaoooo

>>211777823
>If its a western european language 1.5 is plenty
Plenty enough to get where and in what timeframe?

reminder to input high quality media

>>211780919
Thank god there's so much high quality anime to input

>>211780919
freaky ahh nigga
reminds me I need to read his books

Don't the work.

>>211753546
Uyghur: noun-xana. -خانا
derives from Persian
means a place where something is kept or a place associated with the noun
دوختۇرخانا doxtur-xana. doctor-place = hospital
ئاشخانا ash-xana. food-place = cheap restaurant
تاماقخانا tamaq-xana. cusine-place = nice restaurant
كىتىبخانا kitab-xana. book-place = a bookshop

bamp

>>211780919
Quantity >>> Quality
It's way better to consume slop

>>211785777
Your output in the target language will be informed by your entire input history. Thus, it is important to choose your material wisely.

With that in mind, I learned German entirely by listening to interviews of old german sailors and to heavy metal german sea shanties. Now I sound like a German pirate.

bump

>>211784575
That made its way into Russian as well but only the word for teahouse afaik: чaйхaнa

about 3 weeks ago under the recommendation of one of you I installed hello Chinese to start learning Chinese. It when quite well and I completed the free material in about a week then I switched to learning by youtube courses, Chinese grammar wiki and du Chinese but I can't seem to force myself to have motivation to read HSK 1-2 Level Stories. My general goal rn is to reach around b1 level and switch to learning through comprehensive input.

so my question to you is whether I should buy the premium subscription for hello or do you have better free material beyond Anki (I also didn't yet look that much into which textbook to pirate). Also is Heisig method worth it? I found that their mnemonics help me remember the characters but I still have concerns whether learning only one meaning, acting like synonyms are different words, ignoring pronunciation and etymology wholesale while also only learning characters and not whole words is really the best attempt

French
Japanese
Russian
Spanish

Which one should I learn for coomer purposes?
t. coomer

>>211787894
Jap obviously

for the beginner ESLs

>>211787082
>I can't seem to force myself to have motivation to read HSK 1-2 Level Stories

This is the best way to make progress. Stop wasting time with apps and Do. The. Work.

Mazoezi yako wapi?

>>211787894
Anyone else?

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E5%93%88%E5%9F%BA%E7%B1%B3
>japanese has no effect on modern chinese languag--

>>211788577
from what I know enjoying things makes them stick better in your mind

Be honest, /lang/, how many full-length books have you read in your TL? I think I’ve read twenty or so and come across a complete unknown every 5 pages or so.

>Today I inputted 20 minutes
I'm already tired. How do I input for 4 hours straight like most of you guys do?
>>211793302
I've read around 10 first chapters, before giving up and moving on to a new book

>>211792943
Not necessarily. Enjoyment is a side-effect of seeing yourself make progress and you make progress by doing the work. Apps seem enjoyable on the surface because they're just really convincing illusions of progress that demand very little from you. The sooner you snap out of it, the sooner you can make real gains and enjoy the fruits of your labor.

>>211793302
I've finished about 11 in German and probably started and abandoned twice as many. I think at some point, reading harder books just to hunt more vocab doesn't seem worth it and I'd rather just spend that time listening and getting my brain to fully acquire the most common vocabulary that actually matters, going for depth rather than breadth.

>>211787894
I've decided to learn french. Thanks for your inputs lads.

>>211793897
Well I know that for later stages of language learning apps are counter productive but I just started so no matter what I pick I will learn new things. I also plan to use text books and flashcards at the same time just don't know what yet

Half a year has passed already. My goals to the end of the year:
1. English C1
2. French / German / Japanese on B1 or around it. 1h a day minimum. I still don't know which of these languages to focus on. As an alternative to German, I could also learn a Scandinavian language, but there are fewer materials and the pronunciation seems more difficult than in French and German combined

they really named this city Food

>>211794444
>Scandinavian language
>pronunciation seems more difficult than in French and German combined
only for Danish

Swedish and Norwegian are doable, pronunciation rarely deviates far from the written language

Swedish has the sj- skj- stj- tj- sibilant autism and Norwegian to a lesser extent but that's about it

Danish has a "special" pronunciation with own idiosyncrasies, and the gap between written and spoken is difficult like English/French

>>211794444
Why the fuck would you learn a scandinavian language if you don't want to move there?

I also don't understand why people say that Japanese is exceptionally difficult. German also has a strange word order, the writing can be really messy, true, but I learned the kana in maybe four days, the pronunciation is quite simple, that pitch accent doesn't seem so bad either, and French is full of homonyms too.
>>211795371
>>211795662
The lack of many learning materials still discourage me from choosing Swedish or Norwegian, and not many people speak these languages. I don't have bad associations with Scandinavia, they seem to be comfy countries and their languages were supposed to be an easier alternative to German

i posted this in the last thread but got no answer so ill post it again

dubs decide what language i focus on this summer
1-2 latin
3-4 greek (ancient n modern)
5-6 german
7-8 french
9-0 roller chooses one of the above

>>211797327
Whatever TL you're best at but haven't reached the level you want to be at, king. I don't want you to divide your time between different languages and get no results. This is a no-dabbling summer.

>>211797327
Rolling about dubs types of posts aren't allowed outside /b/ so if you get banned, just delete the cookies for 4chan lel, I learned it the hard way

>>211797712
>>211797327
Re-rolling
The fact that you're relying on chance is a bad sign. It's better to have some purpose behind your choice, you know?

>>211797742
thx, i dont see much people getting banned for such posts tho

>>211797712
im confident enough of my french, i wont make much use out of latin and greek even though i can easily read in the former and need to focus on the text some more in the latter, and i barely know any german, which i doubt ill use more than latin.
i dont really care, thats why im leaving it to chance

>>211797966
So the answer is Latin

>>211797327
Not french

Also are you interested in spoken content or just reading? All the languages you listed are famous for literature. (Undeservedly, in the case of French)

>>211797327
trips and you do Japanese

>>211803992
damn

>>211770847
Okay you've convinced me to dabble in ancient greek

Going to Japan for at least a couple weeks with a friend in about 6 months. We’re gonna work through Genki/Tae Kim and each do the core2k and see where we end up if we practice what we learn together. (Plus a bunch of inpoot). I actually know a couple hundred words already because I went in raw and tried to learn what I could when I spent a month in Tokyo for work/school (literally studying the Navy leave survival phrases on the flight over).

Just need to work out how i’m gonna balance my Chinese with it. I might have to reduce Chinese to backburner/maintenance mode, like just do some input but cease studying more than an absolute minimum temporarily. I guess Hanzi carries over to Kanji pretty well so maybe i’ll stop doing formal “chinese study” and just switch to Hanzi study via Remembering the Hanzi in the meantime so when I come back I’ll have gotten a break from intense grammar and speaking, with an expanded knowledge of characters (which should get some practice in Japan). I was also planning on doing the 200 Kanji component deck in the next 6 months too so I figure that will amplify my Hanzi study long term even more.

Basically, I’m just going for input/practice so I can talk a little out there in 6 months, while trying to make sure I can get maximum payoff and minimum damage when I get back to focusing on Chingchong. Japanese seems dramatically easier to input just because I don’t have any difficulty with the phonetics.

Anyone else ever do Chinese and Japanese? Whether simultaneously or not? What can I expect?

>>211797327
>>211799422
My reasoning for you to pick Latin is confirmed by my particular dubs. You left it to chance and chance had your back on this occasion. Now don't get tempted to dabble between all your other TLs this summer, ok?

>>211770847
Defrancis Chinese has been the onramp for reading Chinese for me. It’s dry, but it’s extensive and rigorous. Goes from 0 known Chinese to an intermediate level character knowledge but an advanced level vocabulary (like 7000-8000 words formed with the 1200 most common characters) over 3 levels of readers [covering over half a million characters of text in the readers alone]. It’s for traditional chinese but I view that as a plus and the main textbook’s character text has supplementary lessons specifically for going back over all the new characters in simplified script so you can learn that too.

I got it basically because I wanted something that I knew that if I put the time into it I would be literate. Currently about halfway through the beginner stage (so 1 semester of content) and it’s improved my chinese reading, spoken, and auditory comprehension dramatically relative to the time I put in. Audios are all online. Pdfs are all findable too, used volumes are super cheap since it is old and used to be popular. The character text is literally just the main textbook but entirely in Hanzi instead of pinyin/english.

>>211804040
6 months isn't nearly enough time for it to be useful for your trip if you're using traditional input methods. you should focus on outputting and resources made for tourists like how to order at a restaurant or buy train tickets, etc.. doing the core2k is also pointless because you still won't be able to read after doing it. focus on relevant tourist words instead

>>211804163
i certainly have my work cut out for me

I want to spend some time in Brazil to learn Portuguese. I am like B1ish but I am fluent in Spanish however I don't want to commit to a full-blown exchange semester. What do you guys suggest? Fullblown language school? Intership? Summer school and then stay for another month? How would you go about this?

>>211804252
i look into it thanks

>>211803197
>Also are you interested in spoken content or just reading?
mostly reading but i dont mind doing some listening from time to time

>(Undeservedly, in the case of French)
thats not true

>>211804679
Learning to order at a restaurant for practical purposes takes about 5 minutes of study and a couple attempts at actual practice. I know this because that’s literally what I did in the month of time I spent there. Beyond that, I don’t mean dreaming spanish or AJATT style input. I mean meeting with a partner for an hour daily specifically to work through Genki 1/Tae Kim with a focus on practicing output, vocabmaxxing, AND a decent amount of input as icing on the cake.

It’s a reach but we’re considering doing AJATT while we’re out there even speaking to each other even if it’s grug speak.
>take train where?
>shinjuku

Beyond that you frankly don’t *need* much Japanese to be a tourist for a few weeks in Japan. I would know, because I did it. And Japanese people are the most remarkably forgiving and patient people with language learning I’ve ever encountered.

I’ll probably touristmaxx again last minute too desu. My plan long term is to do an alternating set of 6 month cycles with Japanese/Mandarin, wherein one gets a maintenance level of work while the other gets intense focus. If I reach my current level of Chinese in Japanese after 6 months ill be pretty happy with that.

>>211804252
Hello Luke

>>211807260
Is Luke an Aussie?

>>211807286
No idea

>watching a show in my TL on some pirate streaming site
>one of the characters is supposed to be an ethics professor
>go to youtube later
>introduction to ethics playlist is recommended to me
wtf

>>211795371
With Danish you just have to learn to keep your tongue down and make space in your throat.

>>211807686
Pirating is 100% ethical so that psyop ain't gonna work for based and piratepilled individuals

I’m watching a tv show in my target language and I literally cannot pick up 99% of the words, is this normal?
Also should I have subtitles on? And if so so should I have them in English or in my Target language?

>>211759433
>Mistborn
Serbianon i love you so much for this. A shame that Brandon Sanderson fell off so hard after Wind and Truth with "muh secret faggot character" and "pure good" character arcs like the faggotry he pulled with TWoT books that he got.

>>211808793
also wondering this

>>211809466
Surely you should know since you have learnt English

>>211809492
However, my English learning journey started at a very young age, so I'm not sure it's fair to compare. (My dad studied in the US before I was born, so he's fluent and taught me.)

>>211804040
Listening to Jap music. The phonetics are so pleasant. And they’re piss easy vs Chinese. It’s practically begging me to understand it. And I’m surprised at how much I remember.

>>211809761
Oh I see that makes sense then

>>211809761
The amount of people with stories like this is always disheartening as a full autodidact. I joined a Chinese language exchange ‘cord and I could only find one person who wasn’t already fluent in both Mandarin and English, and 99% of the time it was just because they grew up in the US with Chinese speaking parents. Then they’d use exclusively the beginner chatrooms despite all already being fully fluent.

It seems like the only full autodidacts are all AJATT-style autists. Luckily I’m a massive sperg so I obsess hard.

>>211796082
>The lack of many learning materials still discourage me from choosing Swedish
Sweden quite literally has fifty billion resources aimed at the immigrant population to get them to learn swedish, most of it available online if you look for "Svenska för invandrare / SFI"

>>211808793
find easier content to watch

>>211811910
>Swedish for Invaders

>>211783030
He is right tho

>>211811910
No way you guys calling them invandrare lmao

>>211809911
Memorizing songs is a 10/10 way of learning japanese

>>211805103
You'll be fine. It's basically the language you speak already. You'll just need to practise the noun cases a lot but you can easily grind those out if you set aside a small amount of time to it everyday.
>>211809988
And there are lots more people who grow up speaking a language at home with their immigrant parents but not really speaking it and they can't go more than a few words without throwing in a phrase from their real native language.
>>211808793
There's so much I want to tell you but I'm too tired and cba so here's what I'll say. First of all, there's never going to be a formula for this sort of thing. Realistically, trial and error is a very big part of it, and you should be able to see what works and what doesn't based on your results (speaking, writing, reading, listening). If you have the desire to be able to listen to and understand anything in the TL and are willing to try anything you will probably figure it out. The actual, underlying problem that brought you here asking about this topic is that your instincts are not telling you to learn when they could be. You are probably really looking for a task you can do without much trial and error but this is the lazy approach. Trial and error is a big part of learning. So try listening for a while with subtitles then turn them off and see what happens. Do it for both languages. What changed? And try listening at 0.5x speed. And try ankigooning every word you're going to hear before you hear it. And try doing 100 grammar exercises. And try listening to other things. And try lots of other stuff with the TL apart from watching TV. You need to put yourself in a lot of situations where you use the TL in a lot of different ways and do whatever you need to to overcome your obstacles.

>>211809913
But, one of the main language learning tips I hear from normie people is watching TV shows in your TL with the subtitles in your TL. I remember that in middle school, I watched a lot of South Park and Friends with English subtitles, which taught me a lot about everyday English and many expressions, slangs, etc.

I wanna try it with French but I don't know any good TV shows in French.

>>211809988
>The amount of people with stories like this is always disheartening as a full autodidact.
I mean come on, it's English, it shouldn't be even considered a "foreign language" at this point.
Also, I didn't mean to make you feel bad with my story. I want to be an autodidact as well, and I am sure we'll succeed eventually fren!

what have you inputted today?

>>211756445
ChatGPT

>>211765178
I could say the same shit about Spanish as an american. but I don't give a fuck - I will never pollute my mind with that wretched goblin babble

>>211773451
I assume you mean in the grey area, in which case, you are obviously correct.

>>211754215
imagine speaking SVAN

I'm no race mixer, but

>>211817319
Damn, 2/10 women from [insert foreign country here] look like THAT!?

>>211817319
You can have her. Ill take Augustina

should I use new french with ease(1998) or assimil french(2020) i was planning on doing assimil using french after either of those

>>211804040
my friend studied Japanese for like 2-3 years, got really good, then picked up Chinese and got to an also very good level in about 2 years. His difficulties were mostly with the grammar and phrasing. on paper he had a very big vocabulary but he couldn't get the sentences out 100% right most of the time

>>211820083
Phrasing was the single biggest benefit I got out of Defrancis as far as textbooks can teach them (so far) because it’s just super focused on pattern phrases. Apparently that used to be way more common pre-internet in language education. It certainly helps a lot for output.

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>>211779124
Turkey is secular™ since Atatürk.

>>211777587
Definitely not because you should be speaking and writing* as well
*if you want to be illiterate in the TL, like most humans have been throughout history, that's your choice

>"linguists" claim P was completely dropped in Celtic
>It existed in Scotland until the 6th century at least and found across Europe
Yikes

>>211817705
It's Agustina and no you won't

I'm doing it guys, I'm reading my first native book in TL. I read 2 chapters and it wasn't boring af, in fact I did it quite quickly. I had read graded books like this but this is the first time that I did it with a native book. I still have a long way to go before I can read any book, as this one uses quite easy vocabulary, but it's progress

>>211826450
Saxon mind control

How do I learn arabic? There's lot's of arabs in sweden so knowing what they say could be useful

>>211829960
You should be learning how to shoot and make Molotovs, dumbass.

>>211830487
don't you get jailed in your country for posts like this one

>>211827910
good work fren!
>>211814446
>slangs
lol I've seen this a few times from ESLs, slang is a mass noun
I can't help you with French tv but twitch is always a good place to go for everyday language

>au printemps
>en été
>à l'automne
>en hiver

>>211808793
Understanding your TL in real time without subs requires a pretty high comprehension level. You need to slowly work your way up there by reading and listening to easy material first, building up your vocabulary and understanding one sentence at a time. You can also use tools like Language Reactor to pause and do lookups on TL subs, if you prefer to grind with native-level material.

>>211817319
Fuck Andrea, marry Shel and kill Agustina

>>211818876
Same concept, just different texts. You can use either, or both, it really doesn't matter.

bump

>>211836580
>lol I've seen this a few times from ESLs, slang is a mass noun
I have the luxury of making mistakes in English at this point. If anyone wants to criticize my "ESL English," I'll shove my C2 certificate up his ass.

>>211842792
embarrassing

>>211845509
>>211845673
My post really got on your nerves, huh?

I'm not the same Turkish flag you argue with all the time, so please go and bother him instead.

reminder: input is KING

Cool excuse, bro. But have you tried doing the work?

another day, another opportunity
its time to stop making excuses
up your hours
and equally important: enjoy yourself
input is Lord
trust the process
WAGMI

was considering going to uni for a phd in linguistics but i honestly think 8 years on my own would be more effective than doing some degree filled with arbitrary bs. plus every time i hear a linguist speak i cant shake the feeling of how full of shit they are.

>>211848657
You should do some form of Mathematics or Physics + whatever soft science bs interests you. That's the way to study what interests you without ending up full of shit.

>>211788536
clearly some memers in the dataset giving 10/10 for "appalling" and the like

>>211838857
soul

>>211783030
>>211812918
Genuinely, what did he mean by all of this?

>>211848657
>considered doing a phd but i'm too smart for that
Ah, cope...

>feel like i know nothing in my tl because i'm not C-anything yet
>therefore anyone else should be able to read my tl at least as well as i can
>get confused when somebody else can't read it at all
Anyone else know this feel? I didn't get any smarter, everybody else got dumber.

Can spanish speakers tell the difference between a "b" and "v" sound? I cannot differentiate between them. Am I tone deaf or some shit or is it the same sound

>>211808793
Yes it's normal you need to input more. Your subtitles should always be in your TL

How do you bother yourself to learn a language without a million escapist cartoons? I really don't think I can ever learn anything but Japanese at this rate. I'm really interested in Mandarin or even Cantonese but Chinktoons kind of suck (please prove me wrong if I am). CGDCT and other assorted escapist girls anime are really a uniquely Japanese thing, I guess. I just don't know how I'd ever immerse myself in any language without cartoons. Like yeah I guess France has some good ones but I have no desire at all to live in France or even visit, really.

>>211851424
france has a huge weeb population so actually you can get most of your animes in french also

Should I stop learning French and learn Japanese instead?
Frogs are rude and don't like it when you try to speak French.

>>211852486
you have never spoken to a french person, and in the time it takes you to learn japanese you could have learned french, spanish, italian, and german

i am learning portuguese so i can miscegenate with white brasilian women

>>211853095
you can do this without learning protugusees. the right reason to learn it is because portugal has the cheapest and least illegal cocaine in the world

>>211853115
Hardly any of them speak English though. I should have a one up if I speak the local language I think

>cannot watch videos unless it's a cute girl

anyone else?

>>211854371
you might be gay. bulky men clearly distract you

>>211853156
I found that learning the local language reduced my options. Girls saw me as less exotic

>>211850452
The same sound

>>211855245
Fucker!

>>211852486
Yes

>>211855268
Son of a whore.

>>211855263
Eat a dick

>>211855285
Great.

>>211855283
That's what they call you?

>>211855298
Rebel..

He left khaled alone. Shameful. Rebel.

Boom.

>>211855135
You need to go somewhere foreigners hardly ever go and never learn the language for it to work

>>211852486
If you want to, why not? But Frogs being rude is pure bullshit

it's wild that ESLs learn english from people who have terrible accents that they can't even tell are wrong

What is the recommended way to learn Arabic? Not specific methods or whatever, but is it best for people to usually learn Modern Standard Arabic then a dialect of their choosing? From what I understand, MSA has pretty limited everyday use and most Arabic "dialects" are actually full fledged languages with varying mutual intelligibility.

>>211859825
That's such a clunky sentence. "ESL" should not be used as a noun to refer to people. You can instead say "ESL learners".

Also, "they can't even tell are wrong" is a very ambiguous reference. Are you referring to the ESL learners (or "ESLs" as you put it it) or the people with terrible accents in your sentence?

You are probably trying to say that the teachers' accents are so off that the learners can't recognize the flaws, but the sentence structure blurs this meaning.

Even though your English is mostly fine, you have to work on your writing. Not bad, anon!

German or Russian?

>>211861330
Russian.

>>211861330
Russian, unless you want to move to Germany at some point

>>211860060
What are you going to do with your Arabic?

>>211861561
Idk just seems cool to learn or at least dabble in
I like a lot of arabic music, so much so I'm in an middle eastern rock band now. And I might be interested in learning more about the eastern catholic/orthodox/apostolic faiths and cultures there.

>>211852486
Not a true stereotype but French people aren't impressed either. Most French speakers aren't native speakers and France has several million immigrants.
>>211861330
What about them? You didn't ask a question. For that matter, are you referring to the languages or the people or something else?
>>211860060
>>211862253
Find something you want to be able to do with the langauge(s) and learn to do it. You will surely uncover the true nature of the language(s) in due course.

I didn't learn english through anki and yet somehow I like torturing myself with it learning other languages now and I can't stop

I am blackpilled and overworked. I am putting Japanese off until I master a second European foreign language, in the meantime I will monitor the situation in Japan. Learning both French and German is wearing me out and the slow progress is demotivating me.
Which countries will have a better future in 5 to 10 years: French or German-speaking? Because I have the impression (I don't want to sound arrogant, these are still richer and have greater potential than Poland) that their best years are behind them.

>>211845733
that's not the italian you're thinking of either, that's the cringe german learner.

>>211863282
both france and germany will be majority nigger third world shitholes in 10 years.
>have greater potential than Poland
you are completely cucked and delusional

>>211851424
There's bound to be lots more decent Chinktoons like TO BE HERO X in the near future..

>>211816873
i assume you are a cum guzzling faggot, in which case, i am obviously correct.

>>211864620
Saw that on MAL, maybe I'll give it a shot. Still not really loser coded enough for my tastes, but I'm probably just spoiled by Japanese anime.

>>211863282
It feels to me like Japan has more "outs" than any European country. I am not sure how any European country escapes becoming more and more like South Africa as the century progresses.
Japan on the other hand can look to integrating economically with China, and becoming a destination for "civilization-flight."

>>211864617
NTA but how will Italy look in 10 years?

>>211864617
No, these two countries rule the EU and will push through policies that will benefit their countries in the long run. Poles, on the other hand, are idealists, so Germans or maybe the French will probably fool us with some beautiful words. Both Germany and France are the most important countries on the continent and still will be in the nearest future. Poland also have liberal governments rn blocking any development of infrastructure in the country, sucking dicks of large corporations and some shady Polish businessmen. They are like conservatives form UK. And we have fucked up demography on the top

damn, the easy german channel is a lot of fun

>>211864902
not any different from now probably. it's a given that shitlibs won't be able to get a government for the next decade and sabotage the country that way so maybe even slightly better, but nothing major.
>>211865104
>No, these two countries rule the EU and will push through policies that will benefit their countries in the long run
yeah that has worked really well so far
its not like they imported every single brown subhuman from the turd world and missed out on 20 years of economic growth
>And we have fucked up demography on the top
if you filter out browns the fertility rate in germany and france would literally be below 1

I'm still so fucking bad at French
Why am I so bad at learning languages? French should be easy.

>>211865671
>shitlibs won't be able to get a government for the next decade and sabotage the country that way
Yeah, leftists are insane and suicidal. I don't understand how you can look at Germany, France, the UK, and Sweden after mass immigration and conclude that you want the same thing here and expect it to turn out differently. That's the definition of insanity.
>>211865810
How long have you been learning french?

>>211865893
Two years plus a few months. I just want to be fluent already man. I think my brain is slightly more retarded than average though when it comes to languages. And its embarrassing to admit struggling with a romance language but French has a lot of words that are unusual and hard to remember.

>>211865671
>filter out browns
The definition of the "browns" can also include most Italians and Spaniards and rest of the meds, many Poles with some Armenian heritage etc. It's mean everything and nothing, depending how autistic you want to be about it. The real danger of mass migration is the replacement of one culture with another, and culture and genetics are intertwined. Skin color is just a recognizable sign of a population that is foreign to you, it could just as easily be an accent or language, as in the case of Northern Ireland and the English settlement
>would literally be below 1
No proofs. Also, I am already blackpilled, I'm looking for positives
>>211864887
Maybe with army and with iron fist, idk. If they close the borders, the population would finally integrate

is the paid version of Language Reactor worth it? Anyone used it? serb anon?

>>211866379
>>The definition of the "browns" can also include most Italians and Spaniards and rest of the meds
neither is a significant chunk of french or german population, so even if you wanted to get autistic about it it wouldnt matter
>No proofs
it's barely above 1 as it is and mohammed and fatima are the ones shitting out 10 kids per family.
its not hard to do 2+2.

>>211749276 (OP)
>kurtz
That man's spanish is impressive.

>>211866315
How long do you practice every day?

>>211866315
I see. French pronunciation and phonetics are difficult. I used to study french, but I dropped it in favor of languages I need more right now. You just gotta keep grinding, there's no revolutionary advice I can give you desu.

>>211866405
I've only ever used the free version because I don't care about tracking words. The speech recognition feature seems interesting, I wonder how well it actually works in practice.

>>211866315
What's your comprehension lvl right now? Can you watch native media or dubbed stuff?

>>211866474
They are secularizing, there are mixed marriages and children are raised in French culture. Many "native" French are of Spanish and Italian descent. The French did not have the same fertility crash as the Germans after World War II, and racial or ethnic statistics are not kept and are probably illegal. There is also French countryside.
>>211865893
>leftists are insane and suicidal
Not only them and they are paid, directly and indirectly, by big business

>>211866725
Some of them certainly do, but I think many, if not most, of them put ideology over truth and reality.

>>211867002
>Some of them certainly do, but I think many, if not most, of them put ideology over truth and reality.

but enough about right wing nazis

>>211866576
>>211866640
I try to watch at least one episode of French-dubbed anime per day but it depends how many new anki cards I make. Some episodes I understand almost everything but others I have to keep rewinding and listening again to some lines and I'm sick of it. I just want to watch it without thinking or concentrating.
I could probably watch more each day but I'm busy with German too.

>>211867002
It's easy to do something "ideologically" when there is a whole paid ecosystem, when agreeing to many of these ideas brings professional and social benefits, and you live in an artificial echo chamber, you have job positions, trips, educational systems paid by various organizations

>Some posters talk about anything except learning languages

Can these faggots fuck off to reddit please, or better yet, open a twitter account.

>>211868133
It's language learning related

>>211868133
ein doner mit alles, bitte

I didn’t mention any specific posters, yet some individuals took offense right away.

Fascinating how self-awareness reveals itself.

>>211867130
Yes, it's been them right wing nazis that are in power and have been destroying Britain, saar.
>>211867254
Yeah, you're right.

>>211868315
where's my kebab though?

Imagine begging people for (You)s

imagine being a brown kebabbaro
you dont have to though

>>211868380
There's no mass immigration of poles into Britain, roach.

>>211868573
He's getting desperate

unholy mexcrement x turkroach alliance against the white man ^

>>211868629
Doesn’t take a flood when the leak’s toxic.

>>211869024
Rebel.

>>211869024
You're brown

>>211869170
Shellshock?

what books should I read to build up to Don Quijote?

>>211869561
know over 20k Spanish words

Just roll
German: 1, 6
Spanish: 2, 7
French: 3, 8
Japanese: 4, 9
Portuguese: 5, 0
Python: dubbs
Dutch: triplets

>>211870378
>French
lmao
you should reroll

>>211870420
What's wrong with French? Anyway, don't forget to learn Portuguese today

>>211870515
nothing, it's the next best thing after english (unless you are in latam, then it's 3rd best)

>>211870378
dubs

>>211870378
>>211870641
New rule: If you are a native speaker, you either learn Polish or roll again

>>211870378
Roll for French, I already tried Python

>>211870378
>inb4 portuguese

>>211870515
learn German

>>211871121
No. Portugalanon going to learn German, you are going to learn Portuguese and I'm going to learn French. I don't make the rules

>>211871205
Ich habe bereits angefangen

>>211871330
Bon travail !

>>211754215
it's actually very easy language we don't have pronaunciations or gender pronouns, once you learn alphabet your good to go lmao

>>211817085
Pretty cool but it's youngest in kartvelian family. Most mysterious is Laz for me, even though it's in same language family i can not understand a single word, sounds complitely foreign to me.

>>211869752
ok, which books then?

>>211872177
read 100 stories here
http://www.cuentoscortos.com/

inpooting some hello kitty island adventure

>>211872177
assimil -> graded readers a1 -> a2 -> b1 -> b2 -> popular genre fiction translated from english (harry potter etc.) -> contemporary spanish literature -> don quijote de la mancha

>>211874068
I can't remember anything I "learn" from Assimil :/

>>211874322
Can you read the TL side and understand it without looking at the translation? Because that's all you really need to get out of it and move on to other stuff. Bonus points for training your listening too.

>>211871890
real?

>>211749276 (OP)
what's the difference between responsibility and accountability?
Like "I'm responsible for his death" vs "I'm accountable for his death"

friendship with russian ended
now georgian is my best friend

>>211874819
responsibility = moral, abstract
accountability = legal, practical

>cannot watch videos unless their race matches the TL
anyone else?

>>211875147
i dont know that feel because my TL is spoken only by humans (white people)
have you tried not learning a brown coded language

>>211875246
t. terroni

>>211875147
What if it's spoken by a native speaker cute white woman?

>>211875301
>falling for the ragebait

>>211874068
I'm already ""native"", but my vocabulary consists of things one says to his parents
Any contemporary Spanish classics you read?

>>211875301
you're not allowed to be racist when you're literally learning a shitskin language
you're the brown man's little bitch, spending thousands of man hours to communicate with brown turd worlders

>brownoid
>obsessed with white women
like clockwork.

ilgi orospusu

>>211875463
>tfw whitoid obsessed with brown women

>>211875862
that's possibly even more cringe

>>211875950
the heart wants what the heart wants
can't help it

>>211876274
He probably got offended because, as a white man, you're fixated on women from his brownoid community, and he feels the need to protect them.

1.Why do you learn languages?
2.Is it worth learning one if you're not obsessed with your TL culture or aren't going to live/visit the country of that language?

I use english to consume media in english and talk to people online, but I don't feel like learning a new language is worth it just for that...

>>211876579
>1.Why do you learn languages?
to get laid
>2.Is it worth learning one if you're not obsessed with your TL culture or aren't going to live/visit the country of that language?
yes because the women love it

How do I get over the fear of trying to practice my Spanish with people? I have friends at work who know I am trying to learn Spanish and I will sometimes see them but I never want to stop them and chit chat a little. I worry about interrupting people from what they were doing. A friend explained to me that most people will actually tell you if they are busy so I should just leave it up to the person to tell me if they don't have time. If they don't have time and still choose to chit chat with me a bit, then thats on them. Its just hard for me to take that advice because I naturally don't want to bother people with my inane spanish yammering or whatever.

>>211875408
>Any contemporary Spanish classics you read?
I've yet to finish any proper classics, so I can't really recommend anything. I'm still at the "popular genre fiction" stage and I've only finished a couple Brandon Sanderson books. You can google around for recommendation lists with books on the easier side. I've found books like "El túnel" by Ernesto Sabato and "La sombra del viento" by Carlos Ruiz Zafón to be quite accessible but I eventually dropped them out boredom.

I'd say just follow your interests, or just jump straight into the Don if that's what you truly want to read and grind out the lookups using a monolingual dictionary since you're already a native.

>>211876579
1. For fun, as a hobby.
2. Yes, learning a language and making progress is incredibly enjoyable. I might be one of the few on /lang/ that doesn't care about money, pussy or "transitioning" into a different nationality. I just get a kick out of being able to understand and speak a foreign language. I could probably have fun learning any language as long as I have access to enough books and media.

>>211878012
It's perfectly normal that you're feeling this way. But, if someone at work wanted to practice English with you, you would NOT think they are a nuisance, right?

Same with your co-workers, most people will find it admirable. Also, aren't Latinos super chill? If you try it, lemme know what happened next

>>211878281
>most people will find it admirable
Latinos are anti-intellectuals though

All they know is manual labor and drinking/violence

>>211878126
I read Zafon long time ago and hated it. All the book titles are literally the same, it's like a parody.
Now that I think about it, I should read Borges, short stories will fit better while I keep reading english novels on the side

I actually like French. I like French. It can be pompous, gay, cool, expressive as well as cold or even cocky
>>211876579
1. To show-off, for easier potential emigration, to flirting with girls in other languages, it seems like a relatively easy thing to improve my CV
2. Doing a daily minimum doesn't seem that difficult
>>211878012
Hyped yourself first and then just do it. It's like talking to telemarketers, they should be afraid to call you, not you to answer their phone

*I actually like French. It can be pompous, gay, cool, expressive as well as cold or even cocky
**hyped yourself up

>>211878281
If someone legitimately wanted to practice Arabic with me for any purpose other than converting to Islam I'd sincerely inquire as to if they're mentally retarded or not. Once we have that established I wouldn't mind helping them, and would find any mistakes they make actually endearing and adorable I wouldn't mind the mistakes at all.

>>211878966
No offence but you don't sound like a good study partner

>>211879112
Well yes I'm highly retarded and despise my own language despite sucking complete ass at other languages so I'd also have to seriously question the judgement and overall intellect of any person who picks ME of all people as a study partner. The blind cannot lead the blind after all.

>>211879179
>I'm highly retarded
أَسْتَغْفِرُ ٱللَّٰهَ

>>211876579
>1.Why do you learn languages?
They are fun. And I find myself in a situation where I can speak my TL daily.

>2.Is it worth learning one if you're not obsessed with your TL culture or aren't going to live/visit the country of that language?
No, in fact I only visit countries where I know the language. I never want to be a baka gaijin/gringo tourist getting ripped off or talked about. Natives all learn to fear me and respect my superior intellect.

>>211879251
Strangely enough I've only ever heard people here say it like "استغفَر" (Astaghfar) in a colloquial/interjection way instead of the Quranically proper way (Astaghfir)

who else learning a foreign language for the sole purpose of racemixing?

>>211880001
Sorry... Then stop! Hah? Fucker!

Any cute russian girls that make youtube videos for input?

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