Will they ever be able to recover from Islam or are they too far gone?

>>211856024 (OP)
i hope they become baptist

>>211856024 (OP)
their gen z are either atheists or larping zorastrians

>>211856140
it's funny how they want return back to zorastrism but when cyrus the great ruled, there was no zorastrism or it was at least not promoted

this came later with darius when persia was in decline

>>211856140
>zorastrians
absolutely based

>>211856218
>*fire good*
>???
>burns your house down

>>211856218
Aren't most Zoroastrian sacred texts completely lost to time? It's over, you lost.

>>211856242
fire temples and worshipping fire and having fire related holidays is much cooler aesthetic than any abrahamic religion.

>>211856242
>>211856263
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xwedodah
This is the main reason.

>>211856024 (OP)
Yes, just replace all Iranians with jeets.

>>211856140
>larping zorastrians
nice

>>211856024 (OP)
If I had a dollar for every time you faggots talk about this subject, I’d be as wealthy as a hedge fund manager.

>>211856140
Maybe if you go on Reddit or Instagram and talk to terminally online morons, most people don’t care about that shit and don’t speak English to tell nosey foreigners about it

>>211856291
Zoroastrianism is a larp beyond anything for aesthetics, and I hope Islam reaches that point eventually

>>211856184
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRsPheErBj8

>>211856024 (OP)
Islam is out inshallah alhamdulillah but so is their country sadly.

>>211856024 (OP)
Persian culture literally peaked under Islam. Aviccena, Ibn Sina, Farabi, etc. You like it or not, Persian influences reached as far as Morocco and Andalucia, and even West Europe, because Islam became a Persianfied oriental religion expanding Persian culture beyond Persian historical borders.

Also, the Persian dynasty pushed by Germanics during the past century was treacherous and non legit. The revolution came from the masses.

>>211856473
>peaked under Islam
despite Islam*

>>211856437
they will rise from the ashes once they get rid of their shitty clergymen dictatorship and adopt democracy. this is my wish for Iran.

>>211856487
The only men of culture in Persia known from before of Islam were Manni and Zoroaster. And they were overall theologists.

>>211856324
You didn’t even read the article. It was almost exclusively practiced by Sassanid clergy

>>211856473
I agree with your post but your delivery of it so cringy because you’re a weird Zogbot Pajeet lover who wants us to become pozzed like the west

Fuck jarabs still

>>211856498
>democracy

No thanks. The China system is better

>>211856502
Islam didn't ruin persia, but the islam we have now is nothing like it was even during caliphate times, it's more radical, violent, anti-art, anti-science, literally anti-everything. It's outlived its purpose.

>>211856524
what is better than people voting for their own fate? china treats their own like cattle.

>>211856430
kek

get saved
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSxegwiYLEQ

>>211856576
muslims have a need to submit to strong men

>>211856617
That means they're faithful followers of prophet muhammad pbuh he also submitted to strong men of al zutt.

>>211856524
I never said I liked islam. To start with, they delayed Spanish progress for 600 years, 600 years wasted fighting fanatical desert tribes. Said so, andalusian theologists in contact with Persians, introduced Aristotle's thinking and other innovations from India.

>>211856576
Most people are too dumb to vote, and most the time it’s a pointless ritual for oligarchs to give the masses the illusion of control

Anyway, we already had a proper leader until 1953. His name was Mossadegh, but westsharts with the help of the CIA coup’d him. Most of our problems lead back to that

>>211856617
Sounds gay

>>211856498
Thirdoids actually make strides under rulers that rule with iron fists. Memocracy only paves the way for endless corruption and instability.

>>211856473
>Persian Culture
>Aviccena, Ibn Sina
same dude. literally born in uzbekistan (turkic) and wrote in Arabic.

>Farabi
Also Turkic.

>>211857206
A single day does not go by where you dysgenic Jarab gulfjeets don’t seethe about us

>>211856498
Juat like "democratization" in the rest of MENA amirite? Yes man totally iran needs to be bombed to rubble like Libya so they can have women dressing like whores on the street and voting for the latest thing instagram told them to

Democracy is just a coverup for uniparty oligarchies anyway, politicians respond to donors and capitalists, not voters.
>>211856617
You are ruled by mudsharks though

>>211857380
>chatgpt
...

being annexed by a persian kingdom doesn't make u persian dumbass
it's still a fact that ibn sina was born in modern day uzbekistan where almost no one speaks persian today. As for being called "Persian" medieval biographers aren't that accurate, people from sindh (Pakistan and northern India) were called persian mistakenly.

Alfarabi had Turkic named ancestors and wrote in a Turkic language sometimes.

>>211856473
>persian culture peaked under islam
>posts examples of people following a foreign culture and translating and commenting on foreign culture
???

>>211856988
islam makes more sense when you think of it as a bdsm cult. it explains the cruelty, like stoning, whipping, killing your daughters, fucking goats etc.
islam literally means submission

>>211857640
Yes, women need to be submissive

Otherwise they'll end cucking you like your women and you'll have extinction birth rates

This is why swedes masturbate to blacked hentai while going extinct under ZOG

You are ruled by your women

>>211857578
>blah blah blah cope cope cope

Anyway, if your fictional Turkic Avicenna was real, I still get to claim him because, I, like 1/3rd of Iran’s population have partial Turkic ancestry. So cry about it and go play with your camel and eat sand, jeeto.

>>211856024 (OP)
>Will they ever be able to recover from Islam

Quite literally nobody recovers from Islam.

>>211857578
Btw fyi, Jarab jeeto, a large portion of Uzbekistan’s population to this day still speaks Tajik (Persian dialect)


I love how you sandjeets claim Moroccan-Andalusian Iberia yet cry when we claim Central Asian scholars lol

>>211857772
Arab niggas dont know about kushan

>>211857691
non-muslim countries like mine are paradise compared to muslim shitholes. and the reason for that is because islam is dysfunctional. you can only cope and seethe about it.

>>211856660
Tell me about Mosadegh, what do most Iranians think of him now?

>>211857606
Arabs and turks started dressing like persian nobility and started writing persian poetry after conquering Iran. The nobility of both peoples were persiaboos. Even nowadays most loanwords in the turkish language come from persian and it used to be more before ataturk took them out. Most islamic architecture outside of north africa and western turkey are in the persian style too.

>>211857812
A paradise where the natives are going extinct.

>>211856024 (OP)
>>>/Pol/

>>211857800
Xe is just a typical coping desert Pajeet whose great grandparents didn’t even have toilets or writing systems, and thinks he’s from some perennial civilization cause westerners built them some goyslop skyscrapers and shopping malls with oil money Kek

>>211857812
Your country is third world compared to Qatar or UAE, economy is barely tracing with religion lmao.

Muh islam is the latest ZOG talking point to push for a war with iran.
India doesnt look quite islamic does it?
Lithuania? What about bulgaria and moldova?
Latin america looks islamic? We are progressive, multiracial, secular democracies with a christian substract!

>>211857891
More like /his/. Iranians were loved and respected by all muslims for their contributions. It’s only saudi kike cocksuckers that don’t like them

>>211857854
hi mehmet
have you gotten your welfare cheque this week

>>211857825
Anybody with a brain likes him

>sweden is third world compared to qatar or UAE
now i've heard everything

>>211857983
who let these browns on 4chan and why are they acting so uppity

>>211857983
I won't...

>>211857854
>Arabs and turks started dressing like persian nobility

No Jarabs never imitated us, they were either kicked out or assimilated through dilution (Sayyids)

You can’t compare Turkic Iranians (huge chunk of the population and genetically mostly native) to sand gypsies

>>211857983
Qatar has about twice the GDP of sweden
>>211858000
You are literally indian xd

>>211858069
Gdp per capita obv

>>211856263
Avesta is all you need, senpai.

>>211858036
They genuinely did though. Even many of the arabic clothing people think are traditionally arabic were persian in origin. Especially after the Abassids took power they went full persiaboo.

>>211858205
Abbasids (Iraqis) don’t count, they’re not really Jarabs (except in Basra)

I’m talking about real jarabs from Yemen to Kuwait

>>211857578
It's more ironic when you consider the fact that all leaders past 1000 years of Iran have had Turkic origins, some even spoke outright Turkish.

>>211857854
>western turkey
literally where ottoman culture was centralized.
>loanwords
there's more french than iranian and iranian loanwords go back to the Turkic connection, otherwise Azeris would talk exactly the same

>>211858341
No, it’s really not ironic, considering slightly more than half of the people in the capital have Turkic ancestry (myself included)

>leaders past 1000 years

It was 800. The 1000 number is posted by clueless foreigners

>>211858069
>>211858101
saying a country is first world because of the gdp meme while most people are starving is one of the most brownoid things i've heard in my entire life

>>211858579
The average qatari is fucking rich lol.

the average swede lives in a 3square metter rented goypod next to somalians and cant afford a car (which is why eurocucks do this public transport you will own nothing and be happy bit while beaten in the bus by african settlers).

No clue what makes you think goycattle that cant even afford housing is rich.
Your economies are covered in makeup

>>211858341
Shit I just realized who you are. You’re that Anatolian incel who thinks he’s White

wtf it’s been years since I’ve seen you Kek

>>211858982
the "average qatari"? over 60% of qatar's population is slave labour from south asia
if you mean native arabs, then they have money solely because of oil, of which the infrastructure was designed and built entirely by westerners
once that dries up later this century they're going back to riding camels and that's not my opinion; that's the opinion of every single economist, politician, futurist and whatever other expert you can think of who talks about the region

once again, brownoid moment

The Iranians and Russians have been building secret nuclear launch pad space stations which they wanted to use to take out the entire western world out at once. If Iran uses it tonight the entire ploy failed because the stastions will be revealed and destroyed by the American space force. It is the reason Trump has been pushing the space force idea for this exact reason.

hey guys we have to remove our sewerage using trucks every day because we literally don't have waste management infrastructure but at least we have lamborghinis so we're first world!

>b-but thats uae
same shit as qatar

>>211856184
>>211856184
>this came later with darius when persia was in decline
Darius the Bookkeeper? The guy who brought it to it's territorial peak?
Ah yes Trajan, the man who brought Rome to ruin.

>>211859204
Wrong side of the persian gulf chief.

>>211859130
>once that dries up later this century
1. It wont run out.
2. Australia's economy is just as reliant on natural sources. This shithole is just Russia with no competent military or nukes (i.e snowy Nigeria).

>>211859130
>over 60% of qatar's population is slave labour from south asia
And? Those are not qataris.
Employing cheap labour is the rule, not the exception
You think the things you consume are produced locally? They are made at plantations on the phillipines
>if you mean native arabs, then they have money solely because of oil,
And sweden has money because of imperialism excerted by the Europeanunion and Americans, marshall plan, and the dollar hegemony, if we go to the "just because" every wealthy country is wealthy "just because".
Malaysia is also wealthy just because.
>of which the infrastructure was designed and built entirely by westerners
No not really, even then, having infrastructure or extractive uses built by westerners, as evidenced by all african, latin american, south asian and southeast asian countries rarelly provides wealth, if anything, it destabilizes your region.

Western europe is a decaying economy sustained in makeup services, australia and other new world anglo colonies are going through the same
You cannot afford housing, you cannot afford healthcare, your birth rates are plummeting, you buying power has been spiraling to the abyss for 20 years, your population is being effectively replaced to keep an economic indicator up for your oligarchy (which is increasingly authoritarian and willing to drive you wars for israel), you are going through a recession and stagnation

We already saw this play out with South africa and this time wont be different lol.

>>211859204
desert terrain isn't exactly sewer-friendly. the sandy, salty soil and high groundwater levels makes sewer systems very complex and expensive to install.
I'm not defending their flashy lifestyle while lacking basic infrastructure, but I get why they stick with sewer trucks

>>211859313
>Australia's economy is just as reliant on natural sources
Australia was already one of the wealthiest places in the world before mass natural resource extraction

>>211856024 (OP)
Iranian women need liberation
https://youtube.com/shorts/zTxID0RD2kE

Trump pulls out
It's over
No liberation, no new middle east, no peace, no iranian porn

>>211856024 (OP)
hopefully they remain Islamic, I pray to Allah
>>211856140
this makes me weep, why must they bring such a bad name to the Ummah???

>>211860525
>boob implants
>looks like a smelly Jarab
>age 30+

I can see why a lifeless VPNjeet like you is so obsessed with this whore lol

>>211860582
>I’m gonna liberate you by bombing and killing your family

Not the slightest bit of self awareness

>>211860612
Don't cry saarhunter they were shia in the first place

>>211858000
Mullahs are getting bombed and there's literally nothing they can do about it, poor things must be very frustrated.

If you've ever actually been there you will find the old persian culture and traditions are stronger than Islam. Consider also that they aren't doing typical muzzie shit such as demolishing older religious temples and archeological sites.

They’re losing a war against a 10x smaller mutt country (that’s also casually genociding their brown cousins on the other side, lol) and still claim Iran is a great superpower because Persian influences once were relevant 100 years ago.

Brownoids gonna brownoid.

>>211860962
*1000 years, pardon

>>211856437
Ex muslims on 4chan are so cringe

>>211857880
But that is largely in part due to them compromising their own citizens to bring over refugees/ low skill immigrants who now exploit the system to hell and back, lets be honest.

>>211857880
So is Iran. So is Turkey. They’re just late adopters of urbanization, which led to declining birthrates everywhere. Le based Islam didn’t help a bit.

>>211860900
>typical muzzie shit such as demolishing older religious temples and archeological sites.
I will never get over how the all of this is happening in the literal birth place of civilization. Why couldn't they mostly only exist in central Asia or west Africa or something? Why in one of the few regions whose history I give a fuck about?

>>211856387
>>211857380
>>211859047
Cisgender

Iran actually seems to have their own historical culture, it's like the Islam is a facade which is probably why they're Shi'ites

>>211861005
youre an arab so it's understandable that you're a practitioner. Islam favors arabs and uproots all foreign cultures, it cannot be integrated into. If you were in my position and saw how big of a role it has played in making my countrymen retarded subversive golems, you'd share my views.

>>211861127
>birth place of civilization
“Civilization” back then had very very little to do with what you as a Westerner view as civilization.

Ancient Greek or Rome still executed people for having the wrong religion and totally did destroy or heavily repurpose remnants of other beliefs.

>>211861211
>“Civilization” back then had very very little to do with what you as a Westerner view as civilization.
I meant it in the sense of having the first writing system, complex adiminstrative state, agriculture that produced a surplus that let people do other shit, etc.
>>211861211
>Ancient Greek or Rome still executed people for having the wrong religion and totally did destroy or heavily repurpose remnants of other beliefs
Pretty sure polythesitic religious societies in antiquity had neither the means nor desire to so thoroughly get rid of all past/other religions as abrahamic faiths do/did. When did the Romans believe the existence of other religions is an affront to their gods? Even when they conquered a people they just made them worship their gods as well or made them think of them as just another version of the same gods. The way muslims today, and christians in the past, treated polytheisitc religions is absolutely not the norm for most of human history.

>>211856024 (OP)

They invented the mahomnedan cult of worship with their Qays loyalists, after they regained power with Abbas. That's why they taunt the sunnis with the hadiths & hegemonic succession.
The rivalry they had with Osman clan & the Turkic beyliks was similar to how an old master wanted to regain control of their puppets (the mamluk-ghilman connection).

The sunnis on their part are a legacy mixture of remnant defeated Umayyad/Himyarite-Mudars.

In a way, we're witnessing history played out as an inversion to what happened then.

>>211856024 (OP)
they used to be cool rivals with sparta and stuff while the gulf was some dumb backwater. In time they've become completely arabized. culturally, linguistically, and mentally. they ones that aren't are either larping as fire priests or are obnoxious reddit atheists with a chip on their shoulder toward other middle easterners

>>211856024 (OP)
why bring it in in the first place what's the point?

>>211862489
are you asking why they became muslim in the first place?

The audacity of atheistic westerners to act condecanding towards iranians despite living in failed societies themselves that will eventually end up in their racial replacement. Even if iranians collapse in numbers, iran is still iranian. So if your "superior system" led to your racial replacement, the death of religion in your countries and total social desintegration, was it actually superior, and is your sense of superiority warranted?

>>211863178
its plainly obvious that having terrorists run a country makes that country a failure

>>211863234
>t. warmonger of the middle east

>>211863234
Same retardation repeated again. How can nations running to their own doom with a failing industry, a dying demography, a cultural and religious death, and overall zero hope for a future in which they're not poor as fuck and replaced, talk about who's a failure and who's not a failure? Like what the fuck? This is insanity.

Bump

>>211865888
Chill.

>>211863288
go torture monkeys or something

>>211856473
It also reached its shittest point under islam and dwelling in shit has been going for 500 years at the very least

>>211856641
>arabs introduced in Europe Aristotle through persians
Do you retards really believe this

>>211866100
Niggas will pretend the catholic church didnt had some of the most popular works of the roman era lmfao

>>211866157
>BLACK MUSLIM MOORS introduce european thought to europe alongside with their potent BLACK MUSLIM seed

Here's what's gonna happen in the coming days:
>US will bomb Fordow and Natanz and any other nuclear facilities to bring Khamenei to the table
>If he doesn't back down then he's dead and US puts a puppet leader in charge
>Either things go smoothly and the new government is stable or Iranians revolt and Iran turns into another Syria

>>211861098
It very much did when religious people have more children. There are many in Iran and Turkey that have fallen for the liberal brainrot and you can see this back in their birth rates.

>>211866777
What happened in Syria happened because they are treacherous and tribal Iran has no tribes except for Arab areas and people wouldn't want to see their country fall even if they hate khameni
Nothing will happen

zionist thread

>>211859047
?
I'm not white although people tend to think I am, lol

>>211867830
good

israel is the good guy

there's nothing wrong with being a brown muslim arab

>>211868964
Stop.

>>211856024 (OP)
I hope so, but so far through history, has there ever been an area that has recovered from islam, other then Iberia?

>>211856140
Based.

>>211868964
Being a muslim is always wrong.

>>211856473
>Aviccena
His book is censored in Iranian schools because it criticises Islam

>>211869019
I put islam above scientology but just below extinctionist on stupid shit to believe in. Not all religions are equal and most them were written in times that we would call animalistic at best.
And if anybody it was true God would just come down and tell us.
But he doesn't. Because he doesn't exist. Most of humanity lived and died before these current myths popped up.
So God was apparently late on spreading his word.
It's all pure nonsense but some of it is deranged and violent nonsense.
I mean Jesus was never fucking an 8 year old.

Like if part of the myth of Santa
Was he had an 8 year old wife he was fucking openly
Would that even be an issue with Muslims
Nope
They'd be fine with Santa clause fucking pippy their 8 year old daughter

AND
I'm the fact I'll eventually get banned for reading from the Quran by Muslims becausee telling people
Yeah the guy they worship and model life after was fucking an 8 years old
Prove Muslims are dindus about their religion
Muhammad fucked kids
It's in their holy book
They are fine with that

>>211856184
I don't really belive that we can talk about religion as a thing before Protestantism. Darius was the greatest propanda chad.

>>211870358
>samefag
betrothal ≠ fucking
mary was like 12 or something

Were they really in the wrong? At the time they seemed reactionary and cavemanish by revolting against "westernization." But these days there isn't much love for westernization in the west. They retained their sense of self and traditions. We're all a big mutted whore blob of retards with no future. The people need a religion and they're going to adopt one no matter what you do, it will either be somewhat productive or just utterly cancerous and suicidal.

>>211870527
No she was 8-9
I'm not a Christian don't do that deflection shit
You worship a pedophile

>I'm uhhhhh atheist o algo
lmao

>>211870746
I'm not an atheist. Try responding in a non feminine way, pedofan

>>211870790
name your religion then coward.
hindu? mormon? neopagan larp? jew?

they all fuck kids. every cultures fuck kids last 500 years ago.

"islam"

Religion was important during feudalism/asiatic mode of production. It was a determinant factor in wars.

However, most of the world has surpassed feudalism. Religion has become just a remainder of the past.

Under capitalism, what motivates war is the nation-state which is a tool of the owning capitalist class.

In this respect, the whole anti iran, anti north korean, etc sentiment that is prevalent in the western mass media & culture is due to the fact that this societies dont have a full fledged capitalist system, that is, they're not integrated into the global-capitalist circuit.


Capital cant stand this, its a system that need to expand constantly into new markets in order to survive.

>>211856291
Correct

>>211856140
>Persian Americans be like: HOI I EM PEEEEEEEEEEERSIAN, DO JEW HAB ENY DOOOGH

lol no. I don't think Europe will ever recover either lmao.

>>211872643
Lmfao

>>211856473
>Aviccena, Ibn Sina
You listed the same nigga twice.

>>211870790
no answer then, coward.

>>211866777
bring khaminei to the crane instead

>>211872643
kek'd

>>211859504
They have the money to do all these expensive almost sci-fi projects that go nowhere, surely they can afford some highly advanced sewer systems but it's not as flashy
I swear these oil baron countries could be run by toddlers and you'd no difference
>and then what if we built this HUUUUUUUUUGE cruise ship that's like, so big it's basically a town, and uh it's in the shape of a TURTLE and you can drive cars on it :DDD

>>211856024 (OP)
Islam or not never liked them. they were fucking us over for hundreds of years.