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>What language(s) are you learning?>Share language learning experiences!>Ask questions about your target language!>Help people who want to learn a new language!>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!>Make frens!Read the wiki:
https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki
Useful links:
>Free language‐learning book archive:https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw
>Books on linguistics and language courses:https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ
>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua (embed)
>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH
>List of trackers for most language‐learning packs:https://files.catbox.moe/nmrn8x.txt
>Ukrainianon’s list of commercial courses from rutracker.org:https://archive(dot)is/R2feT
>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec
>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by familyhttps://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/
>/lang/ inpoot torrentshttps://rentry.org/inpoot
>Refold Anki deckshttps://rentry.org/refold
FAQ:
>How do I learn a language? What is the best way to learn one? How should I improve on certain aspects?Read the Wiki.
>Should I learn lang Y so I can learn lang X?No.
>What is the most useful language?Check the PLI:
https://www.kailchan.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Kai-Chan_Power-Language-Index-full-report_2016_v2.pdf
>What language should I learn?German, Spanish, French, Russian and Japanese (in that order)
>>211880921
Well, okay, if always using the normal trilled R will undoubtedly out me as a Slav or at very least will sound plainly weird, what will always pronouncing the uvular R sound like in Germany, especially in the East? I recall ITT was an anon with such an accent.
https://voca.ro/1bWoGEL0vR2G
>posted it again award
>>211994875 (OP)I want to learn the language of Edi Rama
Can I learn Dutch without actively looking at vocabulary and grammar? I can already understand 50% when using full brain power. I also memorized some of the sound changes that differentiate High German from Low German/Dutch. Flemish seems much clearer than Dutch, maybe I should try that first.
What are some interesting beginner Chinese inpoot sources? Like movies/documentaries
I'm more and more blackpilled about France. Raightly, or is the laziness advocate in my head trying to convince me to abandon French?
>>211994875 (OP)Saaar Afghanistan is not Central Asia do the needful and remove it from OP thank you saar Tengri bless you
>>211997726If you hate France, learn Quebec French.
Wait karakalpak isn't a language?
>>211997988I love France, but I'm afraid she can't meet my expectations
>>211998112learn ўзбeкчa instead
I am... going to learn Chinese today :)
>>211995297you MUST anki grind
Do you speak 11 languages in your country?
>>211997726I'm blackpilled about Europe in general. If you don't want to move and live in France, I don't see a reason to learn it desu.
>>211998974No. Any one claiming to speak that many is probably lying and trying to sell you something.
>>211997769It has Central Asians living there (Uzbeks and Hazara) so you are wrong
>>211997769>Saaar Afghanistan is not Central Asia Why not
bulgarian is the redpilled choice
tajik is basically persian with a non-retarded alphabet.
>>212000221>>212002273Ask the Central Asians themselves. Central Asia = post Soviet countries only.
if you use an immersion cocoon™, you will learn basically any language within 12 months.
>>211995297Probably
But it'd go a a lot quicker if you actually studied
>>211998974>>212000020She speaks the elven language. From Lord of the Rings.
best website to learn mandarin tones?
I've been using ChatGPT to practice my written conversational skills, and I feel like the Mozart of language learning with the amount of compliments I'm receiving
Is there an AI that doesn't have that glossy effect? I need to know if my writing sucks or is good...
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How do I make sure that I won’t sound like a retard after years on years of living in my TL’s country, like the countless immigrants I’ve worked with?
tips on learning korean? been using duolingo but it is a pain in the ass.
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Listening to native Spanish speakers is such a rollercoaster.
Some are so clear while others are unintelligible.
>>212008740The same way you do it at home, immerse in the language, read books and consume compelling media in your TL for as many hours as you can. The people that immediately move to their target country, usually just end up in a bubble where people speak their NL or English, so the actual amount of meaningful exposure they get becomes quite minimal. It's never been easier to avoid TL when you're in the TL country.
>>212010187it applies to any language in any country
>>211997769Some Afghans like Hazars are Central Asian
Pashtoos and Dari are basically jeets though
It's incredible how much easier anki is after I've had coffee
>>212009700reddit.com/r/Korean/comments/18s8wvo/resource_i_made_my_dream_anki_deck_3000_word_deck/
use anki, download the ttmik books and skim them to get grammar concepts. and here's a link to a graded reader library.
http://xn--hu1b40go5ck8x.com/
>>212009700Become a nuisance streamer for an exclusive opportunity to fully immerse in the language for several years.
How do you avoid demotivation when there's people half your age who speak twice as many languages as you?
I'm 25 struggling to learn one foreign language, meanwhile I know a 20 year old Russian girl in my gamer friend group who speaks Russian, English, German, French and Latin all fluently, and also a limited amount of Polish and some other languages.
>>212018761>believing a russian
>>212018761She probably memorized some canned A1 phrases to impress gullible normies like (You)
>>212018761>girl in my gamer friend groupShe'll never fuck you, give it up.
>>212018761What's her onlyfans ?
>>212018761If she's actually good, then you could get some valuable insight from her routine/method. In all likelihood, she's just bullshitting about her level which is super easy when there are no natives to fact check her.
>>212018761>>212018761by lifting weights, kekmale
>not being motivated to learn for she
>>212018761Unless she's some giga autist or very likely just lying, she likely means something different when she says she knows latin fleuntly. Most zoomers I know say they know a language when they're just barely able to have a relatively basic conversations with non-perfect grammar and vocab. I would believe her regarding English and maybe German though.
>>212018924>>212019019>>212019112>>212020105Fwiw her Russian, German and English is all fluent. Her parents are Russian but she was raised in Germany from childhood.
I can't attest to her actual ability in any language other than those 3.
>>212021453Solution? More input
I have very bad mathematics skills.
>>212018761Personally I find people like that to be a source of motivation not demotivation
>>211999276>I'm blackpilled about Europe in generalSame. But there are also many advantages to Europe that are often ignored on the American-centric internet, and the disadvantages are often exaggerated. I loved France until the 80s, maybe the early 2000s. I comfort myself that they are a military power on the continent, they have their pride, they are energy and largely technologically independent, they will build a port here and there... but it seems that they really are fucked. I can't imagine living outside Poland for a year or longer.
In order to Pussymax™, I found current 2025 data of female populations separated by age: https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/international-programs/tables/time-series/glob-pop-app-a/tab-08b.pdf
I then employed the state of the art AI technology to analyze this data and sort by language, ignoring english:
Rank | Language | 15-19 yrs | 20-44 yrs | **Total 15-44** |
| ---: | --------------- | --------: | --------: | --------------: |
| 1 | Hindi | 53 703 | 256 558 | **310 261** |
| 2 | Chinese | 42 075 | 239 771 | **281 846** |
| 3 | Arabic | 21 096 | 86 924 | **108 020** |
| 4 | Spanish | 17 632 | 83 692 | **101 324** |
| 5 | Indonesian | 11 577 | 55 637 | **67 214** |
| 6 | Portuguese | 9 688 | 48 917 | **58 605** |
| 7 | Urdu | 9 357 | 42 824 | **52 181** |
| 8 | Bengali | 9 572 | 38 452 | **48 024** |
| 9 | Russian | 5 521 | 30 936 | **36 457** |
| 10 | Swahili | 7 589 | 25 285 | **32 874** |
| 11 | Vietnamese | 3 833 | 19 687 | **23 520** |
| 12 | Persian (Farsi) | 2 836 | 17 329 | **20 165** |
| 13 | Japanese | 2 823 | 15 651 | **18 474** |
| 14 | Turkish | 2 713 | 15 260 | **17 973** |
| 15 | German | 2 141 | 13 689 | **15 830** |
| 16 | Thai | 2 369 | 12 446 | **14 815** |
| 17 | Polish | 1 009 | 6 065 | **7 074** |
| 18 | Khmer | 856 | 3 892 | **4 748** |
| 19 | Kazakh | 763 | 3 401 | **4 164** |
| 20 | Kinyarwanda | 645 | 1 939 | **2 584** |
| 21 | Greek | 253 | 1 460 | **1 713** |
>>212022060for completeness, here's english specifically
| Language | 15-19 yrs | 20-44 yrs | **Total 15-44** |
| ------------- | ---------: | ---------: | --------------: |
| **English**\* | **14 789** | **77 574** | **92 363** |
*Aggregated for countries where English is the most-spoken native language—principally the United States, United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Ireland, and the English-dominant Caribbean island states (e.g., Jamaica, Bahamas, Trinidad & Tobago, Barbados, etc.). Figures come straight from the “15-19 years” and “20-44 years” columns of Table A-8b and are expressed in thousands (so 92 363 = 92.4 million females).
I'm so pissed there isn't a bigger version of babadum with more words and with some form of SRS incorporated
>can process words 2-3x faster than with an anki vocab deck - can be done rapidfire 2 seconds per word
>image association is way better than word association for long term memorization
it's insanely time efficient can go through ~1500 words in an hour
I'm giving up French. I have a soft spot for French children's books that I used to read, I like French songs, I like the way the language sounds, that it's a strong European player and some kind of alternative to the American-centric world, literacy culture, cinematography... but I'll wait until they find a new de Gaulle
Rolling:
German 1, 6
Spanish 2, 7
Italian 3, 8
Japanese 4, 9
Portuguese 5, 0
Python dubbs
French anyway triplets
Gonna try watching a French movie without subtitles tonight. Should it be
>Au revoir les enfants
ou
>La cicatrice intérieure
?
>>212023191Also bist du jetzt auch Deutschlerner! Willkommen.
>>212022060>>212022789ya'll be doing anything but learning your TL
>>212023402This is, by far, the most important data you could acquire regarding choosing a TL.
>>212021453Why are we still here? Just to suffer?
>>212023445I made the right choice (Spanish)
>>212022060You should also add female to male ratio
>>212023231Ich verstehe nur ein bisschen Deutsch aber I understood what you said (Ich verstehe was du besagt?). Danke!
>>212023483>not hagmaxxing
>>212023763*ich verstehe, was du gesagt hast.
Zumindest glaube ich. Ich lerne noch auch.
Finally fulfilling my dream of playing Skyrim fully localized in Deutsch. One day soon I'll be reading Der Zauberberg.
If I had spent all that time learning French learning Spanish I might have a marketable skill in my country.
>>212023763the ratio doesn't really matter as long as you mog the average male there
Learning Japanese is pure suffering.
>>212022060cleaning this up. all numbers are females age 15-44
>hindi 310.2m (supposedly a good degree of mutual intelligibility between dialects)>chinese 281.8m (probably including Cantonese and Wu and w/e)>arabic 108m (dialects are unintelligible)>spanish 101.3m>english 92.3m>indonesian 67.2m>portuguese 58.6m>urdu 52.1m>bengali 48m>russian 36.4m>swahili 32.8m>vietnamese 23.5m>persian 20.1m>japanese 18.4m>turkish 17.9m>german 15.8m>thai 14.8m>french 11m>polish 7m>khmer 4.7m>kazakh 4.1m>kinyarwanda 2.5m>greek 1.7mofficial PussyMax™ Premium Data©
Russian or Brazilian Portuguese
>oтнecти
>нecти
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AAAHHHH THIS SHIT ALL LOOKS THE SAME
I broke through. I can conjugate correctly on instinct. I spell words right when guessing. I can understand speech fluidly. The cool breeze of freedom graces my mind.
post what youre inpooting with
>>212024283the percentage of the population that consists of young single women seems like a more useful stat
>>211998154The reality is that modern Europe fucking sucks.
>>212023191Anon, you can still listen to French songs and enjoy their media. I have a fondness for the Romantic languages (barring Romanian) and only speak English and Spanish, but I enjoy music and movies in French, Italian, and Portuguese. That's why subtitles exist.
>>211994875 (OP)got the third edition of Routledge's Modern Brazilian Portuguese Grammar
tempted to scan it but also more importantly I have the workbook but is it weird I don't want to write in the workbook
>>212023944It's okey. I studied for a while and now I'm starting. I'll learn by trial-and-error method
>>212024132Ratio do matter of expectations you have to meet to even think about dating
>>212026776Yeah, but not so much as in the anglo propaganda
>>212026843I know, but still. I grew up being slightly francophile
pour moi, c'est cauchemar en cuisine.
>>212024283Basically Spanish + Portuguese + move to South America is the easiest pussymax experience.
il n'y a rien qui vaille le coup dans mon pays
nihil operae pretium est natione mea
niente vale la pena nel mio paese
nothing is worth it in my country
nichts ist wert der Mühe in meinem Land
no hay nada que valga la pena en mi pais
>>212024394ankigoon 1000 words for each
watch one movie for each
spend 10 minutes deliberating
make a decision and never ask again
>>212029701In Asia there is less chance of being murdered
Also, knowing Italian you can probably communicate somehow in South America, maybe speaking some mix of Italian and Spanish or Portuguese, and you will probably make a bigger impression. Latinxs love Italy. Hell, everyone loves Italy
>>212021806The french have the best literature and films in Europe, so that's a good reason if you care about that. There are also cool things to see in France, and the food is good if you intend to travel there.
>>212022060We need the number of single, non-fat women between 18 and 28. This is pretty useless. Spanish is big on your list, but probably like 80% of that is fat goblinas.
>>212031669I'm honestly not surprised you, the absolute worst poster I've ever seen on 4chan, are a pedophile
>>212021583The problem is that at the level I'm at the words I want to remember do not appear often enough for my brain to memorize them nor I can use them often enough when doing speaking practice
>>211994875 (OP)altaic theory is debunked a long time ago
Has anyone here ever learned a creole language?
>>212023012>babadumthank you for making me aware of this. Pretty cool site; hope they expand it.
>>212023191I have been close to quitting for a while myself, but have just put too much in I think to quit now.
>>212024130same lol
>>212027338How is it different from second edition?
>>212033970Answering my own question
>Building on the success of the second edition, this third edition provides new and extended notes for Spanish speakers, which focus on common difficulties faced by learners of Portuguese, as well as revised explanations of grammar and usage, which include the use of ‘tu’ in Portuguese.Doesn't sound very exciting tbd
>>212024130If an American company needs a Spanish speaking person they can just hire a bilingual Latino born in the US. There's plenty of educated ones here.
>>212022060Get a fucking job
>>212024130>marketableis overrated.
Language learning is not for money.
>learning a completely pointless foreign language for no reason
>>212034441opetteletko suomea?
>>212034185lol turkish didn't even make it on the list. sad.
>>212031336>>212031979https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent_by_country
age of consent in most countries is 14-16. the rest are 17-18, and they must be included in the data. Also, it's going to take you 1-4 years to learn a language, by which point all of these girls are 20+ anyway.
>>212026590yeah but that's basically impossible to find, especially linked to age.
>>212029701maybe. no need to worry about dialects really, and you can just go anywhere in the continent freely(if you aren't killed)
>>212028343>Ratio do matter of expectations you have to meet to even think about datingESL. but most especially in young people, it's either 50:50 or slightly more males, unless there was a war that killed a bunch of them.
Imagine being such an unloveable autistic retard that you have to resort to raping children overseas
The truth is that if the girl doesn't find you attractive, she won't really care that you know her language.
>>212031113>We need the number of single, non-fat women between 18 and 28. This is pretty useless. Spanish is big on your list, but probably like 80% of that is fat goblinas.ok, but this is for all women, not by age because I just can't find that data(feel free to find it). i found https://data.worldobesity.org/tables/ranking-obesity-by-country-adults-1.pdf? and I had chatGPT o3 analyze it:
| Primary language (vernacular) | Countries in the bin† | Mean obesity % (women only) |
| ----------------------------- | --------------------- | --------------------------- |
| **Arabic** | 22 | **38.0 %** |
| **Spanish** | 18 | **33.8 %** |
| **English** | 6 | **31.8 %** |
| **Russian** | 6 | **26.7 %** |
| **German / Dutch** | 6 | **18.3 %** |
| **Portuguese** | 8 | **14.5 %** |
| **French** | 24 | **12.9 %** |
| **Chinese** (Mandarin) | 3 | **12.5 %** |
| **Korean** | 2 | \*\* 8.7 %\*\* |
| **Japanese** | 1 | \*\* 7.6 %\*\* |
| **Hindi** | 1 | \*\* 5.4 %\*\* |
| **Bengali** | 1 | \*\* 3.0 %\*\* |
>>212036209>turkey: 43% obesity in womengrim. not that US is doing any better.
Been texting with my 16-year-old girlfriend, who I've known for several years. I have a full beard.
What about you guys?
>>212035565There's no way you can learn a language in one year. Maybe if you speak two romance languages and are learning a third.
>>212036176Interesting.
>>212036300Fatness usually goes hand in hand with poverty and low intelligence.
>>212036508Did you use AI to calculate the obesity rates in her high school?
>>212036568IDK about that. She's very petite though, around 150 cm.
>>212036176I like them thick anyway
>The Global Nutrition Report notes Poland’s obesity prevalence at 24.1% for women and 26.4% for men, higher than the regional average. These figures indicate that Poland struggles more than many European peers.
>>212035848>it's either 50:50 or slightly more males, unless there was a war that killed a bunch of them.That's not true, there's a shit ton of excess males. For every 100 female births, there are 105 male births. Young women are often picked up by older men, which exacerbates the issue. That's why articles are popping up that say more than 60% of men between 18 and 35 are single, but only 20–30% of women are.
>>212036703Yeah, there are fat, stupid and poor people here, but still much less than in turkey.
>Yeah, there are fat, stupid and poor people here.
What else is new?
>>212036952You forgot to quote the second part, roach.
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Aaagh, I'm going insane! I can't decide between French, German, Japanese and Portuguese!
>>212035848Then correct my sentence so I learn something and sound more natural.
In India and China, they abort girls, which results in more boys being born.
>>212031336At least two years to learn a language
>>212036176I sort of fucked this data up because I used arithmetic instead of weighted, meaning any random little country with a very low or high % can sway the results....fuck, I might have to redo it. This is probably still pretty accurate though.
currently doing
>>212036796 and with population weighted calculations
The kike lover is begging for a (You) lmao
>>211998112Don't listen to that amerimutt, learn lietuvių instead.
The shitskin manlet is seething so hard that he wastes his time making shitty memes lol
>>212037491Try making a better one instead of having shitty comebacks to my bants
>>212036796| Language group (ranked by native-speaker population) | Weighted sex-ratio 15-44 | Largest country (weight in group) |
| ---------------------------------------------------- | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | -------------------------------------- |
| Mandarin Chinese 109
| Hindi 109
| Arabic 108
| English 102
| Spanish 97
| Portuguese 100
| Bengali 95
| Russian 100
| Indonesian 105
| Vietnamese 105
| Turkish 103
| French 103
| German 102
| Japanese 102
| Swahili 98
this took a while to calculate, but it should be quite accurate. it's weighted, so it's adjusted for population sizes by country, then their grouped by most common language and averaged.
>>212036176this may be more accurate
| **Primary first language** | **Countries included (largest weights in bold)** | **Weighted mean % obesity (women, 2022)** |
| -------------------------- | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | ----------------------------------------- |
| Arabic | **Egypt**, **Saudi Arabia**, **Iraq**, **Algeria**, **Sudan**, Morocco, Yemen … 42
| English | **United States**, **United Kingdom**, **Canada**, **Australia**, **Nigeria** †, New Zealand, Ireland … 39
| Spanish | **Mexico**, **Colombia**, **Spain**, **Argentina**, **Peru**, Venezuela, Chile, Ecuador … 33
| Portuguese | **Brazil**, Angola, Mozambique, Portugal, Guinea-Bissau … 28
| Russian | **Russia**, Kazakhstan, Belarus … 24
| German | **Germany**, Austria, Switzerland … 18
| Hindi | **India** 10
| Mandarin Chinese | **China** 8
| Japanese | **Japan** 4
>>212021606Based. If she could do it, then why cant I?
Looking forward to speaking 5 languages
>>212024394If you already know a romance language then portuguese
Getting back to language studies after a while. My French is somewhere in B level, and my Italian and German are basic. I've also studied a little Hebrew and Esperanto. Not sure if I should work on one of those or add something practical like Spanish
Which middle eastern language is the best bang for the buck?
Turkish
Arabic
Hebrew
Persian
Is Mandarin a fluke the same way Russian is? As in only peasants of said countries speak it and diasporoids speak English just fine
>>212029701From what ive heard thats a great to at best get all your money stolen, at worst your organs harvested or even killed
Lots of latam is just big fish eats small fish
Us firsties wont survive a for a week there
>>212038408Arabic, simply for the amount of countries it's used in, and the amount of content throughout history.
>>212038418im pretty sure like nobody outside of anglo countires know how to speak/listen to english past A1 level, especially outside of scandinavia or tourist areas of germanic europe. you ESLs way way overestimate your ability.
>>212033970>>212034116I went to sleep shortly after posting
but that and because it was the only one I can find
>>212040439>let me tell you about your country
>>212041090>let me tell you about your language
>>212029570C'est qui le patron ?
>>212041090>>212041299desu some Norwegians and other Scandis have had trouble understanding my accent but are generally rather good at English, same with the various Germoid subtypes
When I speak Norwegian or Swedish I don't have much of an American accent. If I speak Swedish I have a bit of a Norwegian accent though
>>212022060hindi is brown pussy paradise
mandarin is yellow pussy paradise
Any good free duolingo like flashcard service for practicing Cantonese Jyutping? I had one ages back but deleted it when it deleted all my progress in an update.
I'm dropping language learning and getting a new hobby
Maybe DJing
>>212031113In general, Asia will be low BMI. Everywhere else will be high BMI.
>>212023763Most places have slightly more men until old age when they die earlier and it skews toward women.
>>212036300It's the CIA poisoning us o algo
Pretty sure the majority of those obese women are old ass women though
>>212042501learning a foreign language is way more effort than people seem to think it is
like, 1000-8000 hours of proper studying and practicing depending on how far it is from your native language. I'm willing to bet the vast majority of people have never spent 1000 hours practicing anything in their entire life.
>>212043732Oh yeah I know
I was just shitposting
>>212045748yeah but I think people are so frustrated because there's a weird casualness surrounding it. you see random polyglot fags on youtube talking in 6 languages and acting like it's no big deal. all of these learning materials and websites act like ANYBODY can do it with little commitment.
It's literally a huge commitment akin to learning a skill to almost a pro level. Imagine spending 3,000 hours learning to play the piano. You'd be really really good at that point, and frankly you'd probably benefit more too having an artistic outlet and more people giving a shit about it.
Any good french language text/workbooks? Mega links only have grammar and pronounciation
Best way to learn Dutch? I speak English (hmm) and learned German in school so I basically can freestyle Dutch at this point already by pidgining up these two languages.
Here is an example of a couple of thoughts in my knows-30-words-of-real-Dutch Nederlands:
>Ik ben kun je en dit ist goed. Ik wei geen woertjen van het Nederlands taal, davor ik kan leer zij. Nu ist de goed zeit voor hebben een tee met vriemdilijke nationen weer Oostralie en Nieuw-Zeeland. Ik kan niet belijv dat mijn Opa ist een Indonesieche mischling. Ik onaniziere van Dietslandiesche idee alle dag, zo sad! Omdat ik denk dat weel honden en katen hebben zijn platz in de maatschappij. Nederlanders hebben geen respekt voor zijn taal, zij alle hou spreken Engels, davor Nederlands en Vlaanderen zij Globohomo Zentraal en kontinentaal Europa No 1!
Ja, ik denk dat vibe-spreken ist de toekomst voor alle studenten van Nederlandisch taal.
>>212047756why would you want to? AFAIK they are very insular and do not accept outsiders whatsoever
>>212047756I thought Danish was easier to learn for German/English-speakers than Dutch. No idea why, but that was the case for me.
>>212047864I want to and it's fun. I despise the people however, so I don't seek their acceptance nor want to live among them. You don't learn Castillian to become Latinx numerx unx en tuta Chiuhuahua, but it's nice to speak it
>>212047321I have the 2022 versions of Édito if you want to give them a look (A1, A2, B1, B2), just lmk which one you want to see
>>212048415I'm a beginner so the easiest one (A1?)
Is chatting with chatGPT in your TL a good way to practice writing? He compliments me so much, I think he's lying
>>212048828Tell it to fix your every sentence to sound natural and grammatically correct. Eso es lo que hago con Español.
>>212048702https://files.catbox.moe/iqc05l.pdf
This is the book the Alliance Française uses, if memory serves me correct. I don't have the exact curriculum but this is it
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>>212046526> I think people are so frustrated because there's a weird casualness surrounding itvery good point especially with the proliferation of apps for language learning. It is a huge commitment, but people think you can do it in 15 mins a day on their phone
Some of the freaks on Duolingo are crazy. I racked up 6000+ XP last week and only placed second in the diamond league.
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>>212050198input with your hair up
>>212050881The trick is to get into the lazy diamond league. Freeze your streak all week and do a couple of fast and XP rich lessons a couple of minutes before midnight on Sunday. If you do a lesson on Monday then this is what you get.
Anyone else strongly prefer practicing inputting in your TL with kinda silly local news over standard news? I unironically find it was more engaging to hear news stories about some new zoo opening up with an interview with a zookeeper holding a monkey, or about some famous local restaurant closing than hear about countries bombing each other.
Does that make me a mega autist?
>>212051639This is how I won the diamond league the only time btw. Never tried it again after that and was regularly losing with competitive autist before.
>>212051747>Anyone else strongly prefer practicing inputting in your TL with kinda silly local news over standard news? I unironically find it was more engaging to hear news stories about some new zoo opening up with an interview with a zookeeper holding a monkey, or about some famous local restaurant closing than hear about countries bombing each other.Me sometimes with German in Austria or Switzerland or little local stories on food and whatnot
Also what's your TL? I've seen some local news i nGaeilge that's pretty interesting
>>212051747https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyll-bBZzyk
>>212051747Gives you more knowledge of the contemporary culture (or even culture of the place just in general) and a more diverse vocabulary. Besides, you can read global news in your own language, you won't get the things you read about anywhere else. All in all, sounds like a good thing to do to me.
>>212051949Looked it up on Wikipedia, interesting series.
>Reading book of essays in spanish (for learners, but advanced level>Guy doesn't define any difficult vocabulary at the bottom, instead just defines random things that interest him instead - and sometimes throws in basic conjugation shit that beginners learn>Reading book of spanish culture (spain)>They guy just randomly bombs you with a list of 20 names of famous spanish people and makes comparisons between them despite you being a LEARNER (college level book)Why are they like this? It seems like wherever you go and get your book from spanish-speaking people just can't help randomly throwing in a bunch of useless information or defining extremely basic words that are in the top 2,000, then not defining some extremely fringe vocabulary pieces some essayist just decided to throw in there.
>>212010187Also true of much of input, and the different forms of input, and how literal / non-literal they are in what they say.
>>212021157>All fluent btwMake her read a book and watch how she's stuck at a high-school level. If we were just going off if I could understand native's babble and some youtube videos I would be 100% fluent, if I had to engage in anything intelligent I wouldn't be.
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I need to learn how to read French fluently by August 11th. Tell me how to do it right now, no bullshit and no defeatism.
>>212024130The only time I'm ever touching french is when I've completed 3 european languages minimum so that I can spend the least amount of time learning french from shared experience, before that I'm not learning a single word.
Just found this and thought it was worth sharing for how strange it is.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EOctKnETWi4
>>212046526>There's a weird casualness about itMoney...
It was all about the money at first, and then people started believing big companies trying to sell courses. They also bullshit you in school with statistics of how "language learners" have a higher SAT score.
You have to wonder how much of it is just the school system, like you wouldn't think they would waste your time teaching you X useless skill but that's what they actually do with language learning and instruments and other skills, if there's not a real commitment from the kid they're not learning it to any appreciable level.
People just don't realize that it's an actually hard skill, yeah. Thinking about the other subjects in school
>Math>English / LA>PE>Various bullshit "science" classesAnd then they might spend 150-250 hours per year on math, and over their whole school career this could be 2,000 hours spent on just math alone. Per year they get 850 hours of instruction in their various subjects.
They don't really tell you there that these are all things that would take years to master, they never actually sit the kid down and say
>This could be your job or your life's work - you could spend 10,000 hours doing this thing before you reach a decent levelInstead they gradually give you 2,000 hours of instruction on X subject fragmented over years of inconsistent "learning" that you don't really care about.
I think a lot of this delusion does stem from it being a lesser subject in schools, whereas if it was one of the big ones (it shouldn't be) it would have the same feeling of "difficulty" the same way people can spend their whole school career not knowing how to read or doing basic math - with language you can do your few years of it and be done and think you won and know a language now.
>>212051747I read an essay (in my TL) about this exact topic.
Basically history and the news focus on the "political" and important things too heavily - even people teaching culture - and those things aren't really what matter to most people day-to-day.
Just think back to all of the news stories you've watched and try to imagine that your culture is based around those, how silly would that be? For actual real culture it's about what individual people trying to live their lives want. There's a fundamental disconnect between history, politics, and culture that will probably never be bridged because history is about politics most of the time, despite this informing you about almost nothing of the country's culture.
>>212054449>Read French every day>Only read French and nothing elseBasically this. You probably have some bullshit excuse of why you won't do this, but you can easily spend 8 hours a day reading and this gives you over 300 hours of reading time with 8 hours a day.
You won't do this though, and will ask about 100 other stupid things instead of just reading (the thing you need to learn desperately) for 8 hours a day.
>>212055010Absolutely no one, not even the most intelligent man alive, could go from 0 hours studied in a subject to studying 8 hours a day out of nowhere. It takes time.
>>212055387You didn't tell me you were at zero hours though.
And besides that you can. It's tiring but I frequently go on bouts of reading 5-10 hours per day.
And that would be your only chance if you were truly 0 hours, but actually if you were 0 hours it's probably over. I assumed some level of competency.
But 8 hours a day is possible. It ramps up quickly if you actually dedicate the whole day to it and do nothing else (besides breaks inbetween to rest)
>>212055511I have 100 hours of French, but I haven't studied it for 5 months or so. I know grammar (though I need to revisit some parts of it) but my vocabulary is pretty small for the amount of time I've been studying.
>>212055596>Low vocab>100 sporadic hoursAh, so you're zero hours.
Yup, absolutely joe-ver unless you read for 8 hours a day or more every single day until august 11th, with maybe some anki spaced in-between. Studying this long is possible if you NEET it and set it as your one activity to do per day. This would give you at least a chance to reach a decent reading level, and is your only chance.
>>212036796>its impossible to learn a language in a year6+ hours a day = 2200 hours in one year = basic fluency in a difficult language, high fluency in an easy language
>>212049139Thank you!
>>212055010Do you think reading is the best input method then?
>>212056789Rica ederim!
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>>212056634is it at all reasonable to study a foreign language, or really anything, for 6 hours per day? i've read that even pros in various fields can only go 3.5-4 hours per day, ditto for people working, like you can only do up to 4hrs of real actual work per day
>>212057327Your mind will get really saturated and for many things that's a blocker, but I think you can technically always find something simpler you can keep "studying" or simply power through but with much reduced efficiency.
>>212054449The trick is to just read at your level and increase difficulty gradually. Graded readers were literally made for this, but they only go up to ~B2 and then you're left out on your own and you have to follow your interests and develop a certain knack for finding books at your level.
https://annas-archive.org/search?q=alex+leroc
Re-read these until you can read them without pausing and looking up words. Also train your listening, because even if you only care about reading, training listening helps off-load processing to the subconscious and that means freeing up cognitive load and making reading easier too. It's also recommended because you don't have to guess the pronunciation.
Then move on to some popular genre fiction of your choice, for example Dan Brown's "Da Vinci Code" or any book that you like that's plot-driven and doesn't spend 2 pages describing grass on a hill or whatever. Maybe you need to read 2 or 3 similar level books before you jump into "classics", but by this point you probably know when a book is too difficult or too easy for you.
>>212056789I think by far it is, it's for people who actually want to learn a language. Listening you'll miss too many words in and it requires less concentration, and your mind can wander too much. Reading you have to read and pay attention for any of it to make sense, they use more complex vocab nearly 100% of the time - and more complex grammar - I can't really think of anything close to reading for how good it is as input.
Of course you need some of the other stuff, but reading is basically required to understand further reading, and because of the more difficult vocab you'll hit those odd words more frequently.
I can watch 100's of hours of TV shows and movies and stuff, but when I open a book I'm flooded with unknown words.
>>212059038And of course I mead reading books generally - doing something retarded like reading the news / wikipedia articles / some forum isn't gonna be as effective as a book with a long narrative to follow, and they usually have completely different (but less) words, whereas any decent book will have significantly more words than basically any other form of media and it'll use those words more creatively.
Basically reading just has MORE and it's higher quality.
>>212057327For skills with few variables but with a high performance ceiling (e.g chess, playing an instrument, etc.) most of the research finds that around 4 hours of focused practice is optimal for progression. Language learning is the opposite, 15,000+ words to learn (as opposed to 12 notes in music), so there's no upper time limit, the more the better. I don't spend 6 hours a day in focused study, though, usually just 2 hours of anki + input flood the rest of the day (entertainment in TL + listening to TL audio with headphones while doing other things)
>>212059038Yeah but you're not training your ear while reading so listening is still better, or watching videos with the transcript
>language has case endings but also strict word order
what's even the point?
https://old.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/1lhug5o/having_trouble_to_form_sentences_after_one_year/
what no input does to a nigga
>>212060513redditors are incapable of not taking the outdated status quo position on any topic. The main suggestion I saw was that he should do more textbook exercises. Literally not one person suggested he spend more time consuming native content or talking to natives. they're genuine npcs wtf
Is Flemish and Dutch really the same thing?
>>212060756>I'm trying my best on gathering input, but I'm not the classic Japanese student that loves anime or mangaI don't understand people like this "I hate every piece of media the japanese produce, I should learn their language" why would you do this.
>>212050881In the pro-duolingo community this is called nerfing. It's absolutely necessary to be competitive:
- get super
- switch to an easy course they never update (like catalan)
- get your daily 2x on the path
- grind the practice review
This will easily 10x your points/minute compared to actually studying, 6kXP isn't even that much.
I've started inputting with /r/france and there's so much vocabulary I don't know that I can make into anki cards and with yomitan it becomes even easier
It's great after being sick of not finding that many anymore when reading books
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7p3OXcwydk
Guess I'm learning Kazakh.
>tried russian
>No desire to learn
>Tired Japanese
>Found out I don't like how it sounds
I need a 3rd language, german as a second isn't impressive, too many morrocans who can barely throw together a sentence making me look shit
Foreigners can't tell that I'm not German. That's a compliment right?
>>212059730to filter EFLs
holy shit inpoot posters were right
>>212064610>Foreigners can't tell that I'm not German.They can tell Mohammad al-Almani, they are just scared of being stabbed by you.
>>212065322It's actually morrocans who think I'm german Hassan
>>212064591And why do you not like the way japanese sounds?
LLMs make up so much crap they're actually harmful unless you already know grammar well
>>212059449I am though, I've listened enough that I now have a spanish voice in my head with 100% accurate pronunciation. This trains speaking, reading, and listening.
>>212060513to be fair though after only 1 year you're still gonna talk like a fag even in an easy language, let alone japanese. The problem here is thinking you'll be able to do even basic shit after only 1 year in one of the hardest languages, when in reality he needs like 1,000 more hours to even get a little good.
>>212054449you speak Brazilian so you should be able to learn it in an afternoon
>>212059038I agree largely with you, especially about how books are more complex and use a wider range of vocab, but listening shouldn't be neglected. If you learned french purely from reading, then you'd probably pronounce everything wrong and be completely lost when someone spoke to you.
>>212061889>pro-duolingo community
>>212068402It's kind of hard to find these days. The forum was banned on reddit because the owner is very pro-putin.
1-2: German
3-4: Spanish
5-6: French
7-8: Japanese
9-0: Polish
Dubbs:Python
Triplets: Finnish
reroll on the native language
Imagine learning japanese only to be rewarded with mosaic and/or black bar censors lol
>>212069533Once you get older than 35 the black bars are better.
>>212070275remember the patterns 1 at a time
question for the Mexi-bros:
are the indigenous girls in your country hot, and is it worth learning their languages to pick them up? I was planning on learning classical Nahuatl anyways, but I wanted to know whether it's worth the extra effort to learn the modern dialects too.
>>212023012Have you ever tried Clozemaster? Not that I think that gamified learning really does much but it's a fun time waster that sounds similar
>Reading harder books, sort of struggling through them
>Go back to classic harry potter to finish my run of the series
>Everything makes sense and the story is engaging
Wtf, it's actually good in your TL? It's not just a meme? I'm on book 5 and now that my reading is at a good level the books also seem much more interesting. The books are WAY below my level, but here and there I still pick up some words and It's good practice, really. Really getting my number of books read up rapidly.
>>212058831nta, but thanks for the explanation and the link, I will make good use of them
>>212075751en mi boca hermosita
>>212073356Yeah the point is to have at least 90-95% comprehension when reading something in your TL.
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Been learning Spanish via apps for two weeks, I fucking hate vostoros. We can't you just use plural tú instead?
>>212077691vosotros is plural tú, what do you mean?
>>212077691latinos use ustedes instead of vosotros as "plural you"
>>212078392you don't even ever use that pronoun (also what's the possessive plural of tus? tuses?)
>>212078456He’s just confused because in English our Vous became “You” and our Tu “Thou” was dropped entirely.
Technically speaking though, that means in English we use the plural pronoun for singular, rather than the singular for plural like that anon is asking. For my burgerbros, this means that the equivalent of “You” is “Vos/Vous/etc.” Also in French they often use Vous to sound more polite anyways, so the plural can be used for both as needed.
>>212077691TL;DR “You” = “Vos” already.
should i drop russian and learn polish
>>212080362Learn Ukrainian so that the language survives after the country ceases to exist
>>212080415i piss on cockhole corpses.
it's input this and input that but when do ya'll niggas ever gonna output? can you even speak your TL??
>>212080638Why would I talk to the screen while watching hentai?
>>212080638Output is a meme unless you actually live in a place where the language is spoken. You're not gonna learn much paying some guy to talk to you for an hour a week on italki or whatever.
I'm 2 months into learning French. Feels Ok man.
I learned german to A1 and it mindbroke me, nie wieder
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I've been inputing a bit, in the only useful lang btw: English
language learners of other languages are retarded
for japanese you literally have infinite resources of content subtitled in the language, audio books with text available with browser look ups tools
why does this not exist for other languages
Do indonesians/malaysians have imageboards?
Japniggers, at what point in terms of vocab building did you switch from prebuilt anki to mining, and at how many words were you finally able to reasonably comfortably engage with high-context content like Yotsuba or easier anime? When you finished a beginner 1-2k word deck what was the main struggle in the transition/period immediately following that?
>>212084087The greatest language learning application of all time, the one and only Anki, was also created by a guy who wanted to learn Japanese lol.
Anki means memorization in Jap.
>>212084818Did he learn Japanese?
>>212054449>Install a click-to-translate add-on to rapidly look up words>Set absolutely everything to french, use no other languages, only see french>Including output, only do google searches in french. Use a translator then write the search from memory if you have to>Learn visualization mnemonics to memorize wordsThats how theres no other way
>>212084644I know like 4k words in korean and atill cant understand very much because of the agglutination and mor0heme dropping and shit
>>212083847English is a gay oppressor language stop learning english
>>212085682Korean phonetics are horribly difficult though so that makes sense.
bros I need to stop watching these gay RTS videos they are such a huge time sink, I could be inputting for 8+ hours a day if I just stopped...
It feels terrible to only get 2 or 3 hours a day in, like I'm retarded and can't do basic things or something.
japanese seems cool to learn but then you realize it's totally useless outside of japan. like i've never met a japanese diaspora in my life and if you aren't some faggot weeb anime manga lover then it's not all that useful. it's probably the prettiest asian language though and they have some serious professionalism in their work from their cars to service industry that I can't help but really appreciate.
>>212089381for me it's the anime girls
>>212089381It´s sort of the ¨premium¨ asian language though, and its not gonna be surpassed by something like chinese - which people really only learn for business.
It's basically the asian language all westerners are learning, and with how the young people love anime now you are now hip and cool learning japanese.
>>212061889yo who tf paying people to play duolingo
>>212089381This is why the professional goes undefeated. I work with Japanese lawyers for a satellite of a Japanese firm. I want to work with Japanese lawyers more, maybe eventually in Japan.
>>212089381I don't like anime and manga but I study Japanese because I'm a weeb
Easily one of the greats content wise along with English and French
>>212037573>bengali>swahiliBros... its time to dig deep
>>212043732It's more, but it's also less. Learning to draw and paint for instance require just as much time if not more, and that is very heavy on the manual practice grinding. Meanwhile with language learning your "doing the work" time is literally audibooks in the car and watching cute girls on youtube or app tapping on your phone. If you do this shit 2 hours a day, which is essentially effortless to maintain, you will hit 1k hours in 500 days which is like a year and a half - almost nothing, considering that was all going to be purely wasted unproductive shitposting time otherwse.
>>212091514>audibooks in the car and watching cute girls on youtube or app tapping on your phoneyou will not learn a language doing this btw
>>212054475French is the first of 3 european languages you should learn.
>closer to english, and easier than german>do german second though>then italian probably or some meme shit like swedish>not spanish ever because you're american and spanish is just Mexican, which is disgusting goblin speak infesting your mind etc etc
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Apparently spoken Tajik has reinnovated a case system
>>212054449This is doable. You have to just vocabmaxx. You already know english so you're halfway there. Don't worry about conjugations or pronunciation or any shit like that. You just need to know words. Reading french is the easiest part.
>>212054449Get yomitan and anki and start grinding
It'd probably help for you to study the top 1000 most frequent words by grinding an anki deck
You could try reading Harry Potter or George Simenon
>>212091531Yes you will.
>passive input at all times possible>active instructional video content>focused practice for vocabulary and grammar via phone appsExplain what is wrong with this.