Thread 212285501

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>Help people who want to learn a new language!
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Read the wiki:
https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

Useful links:
>Free language‐learning book archive:
https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw
>Books on linguistics and language courses:
https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ
>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:
https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua
>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:
https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH
>List of trackers for most language‐learning packs:
https://files.catbox.moe/nmrn8x.txt
>Ukrainianon’s list of commercial courses from rutracker.org:
https://archive(dot)is/R2feT
>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec
>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by family
https://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/
>/lang/ inpoot torrents
https://rentry.org/inpoot
>Refold Anki decks
https://rentry.org/refold

FAQ:
>How do I learn a language? What is the best way to learn one? How should I improve on certain aspects?
Memorize words with Anki while reading and listening to content that's at your level (at your level = you can understand it, or you can make it understandable with tools)
>Should I learn lang Y so I can learn lang X?
No.
>What is the most useful language?
When in doubt, check the PLI:
https://www.kailchan.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Kai-Chan_Power-Language-Index-full-report_2016_v2.pdf
>What language should I learn?
German, Spanish, French, Russian and Japanese (in that order)

Old >>212203073

ATTENTION LEAF ANON
>ATTENTION LEAF ANON
ATTENTION LEAF ANON
>ATTENTION LEAF ANON
I HAVE A SMALL REQUEST FOR YOU
You probably still lurk even if you don't want to be associated with us anymore which I can understand but how about you implement this in your program and never mention who gave you this idea.
There should be a mode to read texts (AI generated, imported by user, or otherwise) a few words at a time, or a sentence at a time, and the program randomly abruptly pauses and tells the user to repeat back the previous sentence or predict the following sentence. Both of these would force the user to pay close attention to the text and practise using the language while they read.

>>212285501 (OP)
Learn Turkish

Ich hasse die Viecher

1, 5 German
2, 6 Spanish
3, 7 French
4, 8 Italian
9, 0 Japanese

>>212286135
you will never surpass jordanon, give it up.

>>212285842
First off all, no
Second of all, you can't even if you tried

don't learn russian

For a while I considered learning Japanese (like most weebs), but now I realize its a waste of time since the country will probably be bogged by the time I could settle there. Thoughts on taking the aseanpill and going for Indonesian, Tagalog or Thai?

>>212285842
>>212286490
I will

>>212285842
I always say that. Women in Türkiye are very underrated, they love foreigners too much and most of them are solid 7. I don't why white men just come to our country and live their dream harem lifestyle.

>>212286820
I was shitposting here >>212286754 but now I am convinced

>>212286733
Take the aseanpill

>>212286900
My French friend was drowning in pussy while in Istanbul. When he returned to France, he said that French women were extremely difficult compared to Turkish girls. Not only Turks but also Kurds and other ethnicities line up for blond-haired, blue eyed foreigners.

>>212286754
Try it, the Swedish anon did in this thread did it

>>212286820
I'm sure there are other threads if you have a cuckold fetish

>>212286977
>My French friend was drowning in pussy while in Istanbul.
And you don't? Unless you're extremely autistic, the girls treat foreigners and locals the same

>>212286995
I'm not a cuckold, everyone including you knows the truth, Turkish girls get wet when they see a white man.

>>212287045
I am not a player, I am in a stable relationship.

>>212287049
>tfw blonde and blue-eyed
feels good man. But you still sound like a cuck

>>212287090
This is the truth, you don't need to reflect. The white man is the god of Middle Eastern girls.

>>212286977
>>212287049
Can confirm, türkisch women from Erasmus were very interested in me.

im going throught the old thread and that german who says that germans overestimate their english is 100% true.
I'm actually getting so fed up at hearing the save wrong shit all day "did you making the burgers" "did you hearing me" "i may ked the vorbereitung for you"
I know I fuck up german as a second language often but christ it isnt that bad

>>212286918
Which one though?

>pre-reading a translation of a book in your previous TL that you plan on later reading in its original language, your next TL
Ecstasy.

>>212287141
>Middle Eastern
You're either a VPN poster, a foreigner or a redneck durka. No Turk would call Turkey the "Middle East" unless he is an Islamist.

>>212287233
I would choose Thai desu

>>212287245
its peak summer let the man have his flag fun

>>212287245
Vpn kullanmıyorum, İslamcı ve ya akpli değilim hatta ülkenin en batısındanım ama Türkiye Ortadoğu ülkesidir, delüzyona gerek yok. Dediğim şeyleri birebir yaşadım üniversite hayatım boyunca hep yabancılarla iç içeydim, kızlarımız sarışın mavi gözlülere ve italyanlara sulanıyor. Aynı şekilde erkeğimiz slav karısı görünce bonoboya dönüyor.

>>212287291
Ok ok I will, true

>>212286820
wtf isn't Turkey a >95% Muslim country? are the women really like that? and how will the men act if they find out? do they linch you if you fuck too many women?

>>212267822
>[Russian is] the only universally useful Slavic language. Rest of them are niche
Imagine being so cucked as to say that with a Polish flag.

A useful Slavic language is any West or South Slavic, including Polish, because it gives you mutual intelligibility with several other Slavic languages. Russian is in many aspects at the extreme of the Slavic continuum (like French for Romance), an outlier, that will at most give you some benefits with Belarusian (the dying language of a potato dictatorship) and Ukrainian (a much better language to learn since lexically it's halfway to Polish and other West Slavic)
And don't forget, if you speak Russian you are Russian by the logic of the Russian state. You WILL be liberated.

>>212287421
The Muslim population in Türkiye is not the same as in Afghanistan. Also, 95% is a very ambitious number.

>>212287421
>do they linch you if you fuck too many women?
The family members of the woman can do, that's why I never interact with T*rkish women. Look up honor killing stats

>>212287478
Russian opens up central asia and west europe. Polish is nothing compared to Russian. Poland is a literal who country in the grand scale of europe. Its the hard truth

>>212287421
shia and sunni. google it
>>212287613
whoops i meant east europe, I was picturing russia at the centre between the stans and the baltics

>>212287330
I studied abroad in Western Europe, and the fact that you can make such sweeping claims just because some university students in your shithole city find foreigners exotic only shows how ignorant you are. But sure, let's call the men "monkeys" for being attracted to Slavic women, that makes perfect sense.

and again we see that language learners don't want to join the "we" the "culture" the "group" and see native speakers as animals in a zoo

>>212287652
>shia and sunni. google it
saudi arabia and iran, which one believes in free love motherfucker?

>>212287682
Avrupa'da okumuşsundur kesin de bok çukuru dediğin üniversite ülkenin en iyi okulu XD Karı görünce götü başı kaybeden de maymundur bu arada.

I want to learn Korean, but I also want to learn Japanese

>>212287330
University girls are whores no matter the country, lay off /pol/ and maybe you'll realize that they fuck everybody they see.
>>212287580
>honor killing
Maybe don't stick your dick in tribal oogabooga women. If you actually get honor killed in Turkey you 100% deserve it.

I have some kind of decision psychosis.
I'm almost certainly giving up on Italian.
>One of these two:
German or French.
>And one of these two:
Spanish or Japanese (Portuguese would be a good choice instead of Spanish, but there aren't many resources and content)
Help
>>212286236
I don't want to. ;_;

Neyse (you) vermeyi bırakayım delüzyonlu chuda, arada evinden çıkıp çimene dokunursa anlar zaten.

>>212287220
Und denke über die englischsprachige Deutschlernern, die mit euch sprechen wollen, nur für euch mit uns auf dieses Englisch, das so schlecht ist, zu sprechen.

>>212287798
Learn Sardinian

>>212285842
Compelling argument.

>>212287814
They don't understand me because im scottish, and 2 yea youre right they somehow "make up" their own english and reenforce their mistakes with each other

(I think thats what you mean, your german is abysmal)

>>212287890
You know what I meant and you're doing it now to make fun of me jerkwad

>>212287837
I don't like sardines

>>212287765
>bok çukuru dediğin üniversite ülkenin en iyi okulu XD
Is it in the top 100 in the world? The "best university" in Turkey ranks worse than many universities in India

>>212287803
Why are you so feminine and passive-aggressive?

>>212287948
It's the living language closest to Latin

>>212287947
no i actually don't, who's "euch"? who are you refering too, this isnt japanese where you have to guess the context

>>212288146
and "denke" what ìs the mutt thinking about?

>>212288056
I won't make money on it, so it's the second category for me, and the small number of native speakers and content make it lose to the others.
Don't troll me, I helped yesterday with explaining grammatical cases

>>212287613
>>212287652
Russian only "opens up" those places if you want to talk to Russian expats, boomers, and some young people who will understand Russian but hate you for speaking it
All those places are actively trying to de-Rusify

To the american, go on Youtube and search Terry Pratchet Die Farben der Magie - Hörbuch, Those books are like 300+ hours of input that you desperately need

>>212288217
The Tajiks, Kyrgz, Kazachs, and Uzbeks that i've met in germany happily get along with the Russians and Ukrainians here. They have all encouraged me to learn russian so that I can speak to all of them

I should be studying German

>>212288376
all of morocco is learning with you

The english speaker can't comprehend that languages other than english can be lingua franca (it was a shock to me too)

>>212288376
me too, unironically

>>212288217
Bishkek and the big cities are use alot of Russian because Russian is seen as the language of the educated
>>212288527
I don't know if i should start Der Prozess or Der Schimmelreiter

I have finally made up my mind. I will learn farsi then arabic.

I have pirated pimsleur lessons and will also use the easy persian and persian online ressources. Maybe look at the US defence institute ressources too.

Life is good, I'm already a few lessons in and I really enjoy it. Can't wait until I can start to consume media and literature.

>>212288608
Which Arabic?

>>212288608
Shia before Sunni, why?
>Maybe look at the US defence institute ressources too
your country killed so many arabs, the resources to learn Arabic will be much better than the english equivalent

>>212288655
you always start with standard anyway

>>212288511
What do you mean people from the ex-Soviet countries speak Russian, they declared heckin independence 35 years ago!

>>212288188
>>212288146
Ihr seid sehr glücklich Freaks wie ich halten eure Sprache am Leben ohne eure Hilfe.

>>212288869
>can't even conjugate verbs
input more before you try to be snarky

>>212288655
Standard and then for the dialect I will ask myself that question when the time comes. France has mostly maghrebian diaspora so it would make sense to learn darja but they all know some french even in their country due to historical reasons. I know egyptian dialect is well understood because of egyptian media, but it seems that Egypt sucks to visit as a country. I might just end up selecting the first one based on which one sounds best and go from there.

>>212288667
Persian just has a stronger pull on me I guess. I don't know if the french army ressources are freely accessible though I'll have to look into that.

>>212288511
If you are talking about me, I'm a Russian native speaker

>>212289580
дaй cигapeткy бpaтaн

>>212288146
I'll translate:
"Und denke an die englischsprechenden Deutschlernenden, die mit euch (den Deutschen) sprechen wollen, nur damit ihr mit uns auf Englisch, dass so schlecht ist, sprechen wollt."
He means that Anglos learning German who come to Germany to speak German usually get abused by English speaking Germans to practise English on, even though their English is abysmal.

>>212288601
You should start der zauberberg?

>>212288729
Turkmen should be speaking Toki Pona now

>>212285282
Yes, some US foods have to be relabeled because they have no French on them.

Is this stereotype of being cheeky to people for not speaking perfect French true?
I divided the languages I want to learn into two categories and one category is French or German and the other is Spanish, (maybe Portuguese) and Japanese. I have to choose one from each category.

>>212291283
Just pick one and focus on it
The likelihood that you'll stick to any plans you make after learning that language is very low

Post your Anki stats

>>212290313
Im waiting for the Anaconda Verlag to release their version because the out of print ones are 20+ euros

Anacondas will only be 13€
>b-but pdfs
nah, thats for the shorter stuff like by Stefan Zweig etc, and audiobooks for modern fun fantasy slop (those I always pirate)

Anons, I'm learning spanish finally. It feels great, even though I'm only using duolingo currently (I've just ordered some other learning materials, too) . I went to Costa Rica recently and even my abysmal spanish was helpful. I wish I'd learnt it years ago, but better late than never.

I'm now planning a number of trips to spanish speaking countries so I have some goals to keep motivated. None of my friends or family speak another language, so I don't have many opportunities to practice in my day-to-day life.

Russian lit is also good to read in german, I could start Laurus

Is it worth it? Ive already got up to HSK 3-4.

>>212291873
textbook is never worth it, you'll turn into pic related

¿Dónde está el baño?

>>212293347
Dos cervecas por favor

>>212291873
My college uses this as its total beginner textbook so take from that what you will.

>>212289007
When I fuck up my French they very kindly correct me in French so that I can input while I learn what I did wrong. Why can't you people be more French?

Sigh. It's back to roaming Himmelsrand hunting for NPCs to milk dialogue from.

>>212294297
Because the thing you wrote was rude. I don't think anyone would've replied in a mean way if you wrote a normal sentence.

>>212288729
>>212288601
>>212288292
The Canadian flag is right. You'll get way better treatment speaking English than russian there and the youth definitely knows no more russian than English.
>>212287478
No Slavic language is useful to be honest. The sad truth is, all decent Slavs speak German (or English) and live in Germany (or England or America) lmao, the rest are barbaric prostitute-exporting serf cattle.

June input stats:
>90 hours
>1210 hours total

probably a wrong place to ask but books to read about german idealism and prussian reform?

And actually I re-evaluated the importance of English: it's indeed the most versatile language available, but it's not really leagues ahead of other major languages, neither it's really that good to become your main language of content consumption.
German, Spanish, Mandarin, and probably French are all quite decent as well.

>>212294974
Asperger’s

>>212295003
As in, I've opened German medical textbooks yesterday and they're just as high-quality as the English ones. The russian ones suck though, because russian is a barbaric third world troglodyte tongue. I bet the French ones would be decent too, not so sure about Spanish and Mandarin though.

>>212295105
shut up

>>212295182
Ah, my antithesis.

If I study chinese for 3 hours a day every day for a year will I be fluent?

>>212295539
Yes

>>212295539
Not even close. Maaaayyybe if you do 6 hours a day.

>>212294479
The krautflags started it

Honestly, russian cases aren't that bad
Its the perfective vs imperfective verbs that can fuck off and die

>>212288869
go listen to more Rammstein fag, Rammstein are not Nazis.

>>212285842
*sigh* okay...

>>212285842
They look Greek

>>212285090
Is your job a new thing? When I was in Canada a while ago, nutrition labels on imported food were usually machine translated gibberish, think "pétrole de fleurs de soleil" for sunflower oil.

Turns out the original DLI Headstart courses are pretty easy to find online in a number of languages. The main weakness I see with the Japanese course (for the purpose of producing practical confident speech in a beginner quickly) is just that I get no value out of studying Romaji. However, the accompanying audios seem quite worthwhile for getting over a hump of acquiring some basic phrases and being able to spit them out for a good chunk of basic interactions like asking for directions or shopping.

Here are the pdfs and audios for DLI Headstart 1, made in the 80s and, compared to the rather barebones HS2, considered a pioneering course in language teaching methods at the time, since it was among the first to focus on getting people functional and confident speech early, paired with extensive audios. Pimsleur, now a very famous and popular program, in large part based it's methods on this program. The military focus of it is also far less prevalent compared to the later HS2. If it didn't say DEFENSE LANGUAGE INSTITUTE on the front you would think the target audience is tourists.

If things happen to fall into place where I end up in Japan in the near future and I am not mature in the language enough yet to do a better method of output, I may fall back on this and rush through it over the month or two before going to get a very basic primer on output, since my studies so far have been almost entirely literacy or input oriented.

>>212299692
Forgot links:
https://archive.org/details/DLIJapaneseHeadstartModule9A/DLI+-+Japanese+Headstart+-+Module+9D.mp3
Audios

PDFs
https://www.livelingua.com/fsi/DLI%20Japanese%20Headstart%20Modules%201-5.pdf
https://fsi-languages.yojik.eu/languages/FSI/Japanese/Headstart/DLI%20Japanese%20Headstart%20Modules%206-10.pdf

>>212295577
Okay bustee, let’s be real here, he needs AT LEAST 12 hours a day if he wants to order a coffee in Mandarin and shock the natives.

>>212295539
3 hours of diligent study is pretty difficult and rare to actually accomplish for a year but if you seriously dedicated yourself to a method where you were A. Covering like 3,000 characters (to varying degrees of thoroughness) B. Covering a proportionally equivalent amount of vocab and C. Grammar and input/output practice; you could do quite well.

The fun part about Mandarin is that effort is so frontloaded into the characters, while the compound vocab is logically constructed from characters, and the grammar is so “simple” that actual proper grammar is almost entirely a matter of becoming familiar with patterns of wording things, which can only be practiced through repetitive input.

So basically, if you’re self studying, and you diligently dedicated enough time per day to cover all of Heisig’s Remembering the Hanzi (by hand) and made flashcards with the readings based on that [Heisig was right about ignoring readings for Japanese but wrong for Chinese for reasons I won’t get into here]. And then diligently studied a core textbook series that can take you from beginner to advanced, and then otherwise did a shitload of input, that would work pretty well. Also probably join a language exchange or something at the latest like 6 months in.

1. Rush a quick and dirty broad overview of core characters with Heisig’s RTH
2. Diligently work through a core textbook series thoroughly (I prefer the Defrancis Chinese series because, as an autodidact, the sheer old fashioned rigor beats the language into my brain in a way that modern style “friendly” texts can’t. Just don’t forget the reader is a very worthwhile supplement).

3. Copious volumes of comprehensible input

Is literally exactly what I have done and would be continuing to do right now were it not for other responsibilities.

How do I get chatgpt to teach me a language. I’ll do whatever it says I just don’t want to have to put any effort into planning the learning

>>212291283
yeah, very true stereotype. they even pretend not to understand french canadians who speak fluent french. https://streamable.com/wwg7x9

fortunately there isn’t any reason to learn french

>>212300129
Why don't you ask chatgpt this

>>212300129
This post made it occur to me that I could probably learn through Anki easier if I just had a longterm AI conversation keeping track of my extant vocab as I just prompt it to make a lesson (glossed dialogues) every day for my new vocab.

>>212300219
lmao

>>212300078
The structural decomposition of characters hesig does isn't useful unless you need to write the characters and even then I would still do a decomposition into functional components and (corrupted forms) because it makes learning them so much easier.
Defrancis's The Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy is really great if you haven't read it. Even though it was written about 40 years ago most of the myths about Chinese characters are still common on the internet, especially in the Japanese learning community .

>>212290934
Could this be your work?

>>212294358
I heard the dialogue has a lot of "old German" which makes it kind of confusing

>>212300742
I was introduced to Defrancis for Chinese and while I found the lack of just putting the Pinyin on the front and explaining semantic-phonetic compounds sort of odd, it makes sense for what it is. The most important thing for me as a beginner is that it is a widely available resource that turned the most intimidating part of mandarin and japanese into something enjoyable.

Something the critics miss when saying there are better methods is to actually post book suggestions.

Also, if you can write a character from memory you will certainly recognize the character too (at least to your english keyword). It’s a great way to do a quick and dirty overview of what will be revisited over the course of several years in a much shorter timeframe. It’s not comprehensive because it’s not intended to be.

The main textbook suggestion I gave is where the deeper analysis comes from. In like 3000 pages of mostly raw chinese character-based dialogues and stories, going through the entire series “only” covers ~1200 Hanzi. But, it covers them in an extremely thorough and rigorous manner, and if paired with Heisig, then a proper grasp of the remaining less relevant 1,800 will be comparatively easy.

>>212300219
Fucking assholes. I felt bad for the dude.

>>212300219
KEK
Girl was messing with him or this R pronunciation is really that important (every language has words like that). Anyway, I love them for how much heat they generate in others

>>212300918
>fig newtons
How old are you? Not that Canadian btw

>>212299692
>>212299719
Thank you

Does anyone have that list of beginner shows and cartoons in French?

>>212291707
Get it from a library.
Btw, how long have you been learning German?

Hello, I am looking for a grammar of the Friulian language. I have an elderly relative who speaks it, and I'd like to learn even a little bit off of them but I imagine it would be good to read a grammar first. I read Italian French and German so can be in any of those if an English one is not available.

Spanish and French lessons done.
German, French, Spanish, Japanese, Portuguese, Chinese, Italian. I want them all.

>>212306015
Be more realistic, I would be happy with German, Spanish, and Japanese.

>>212306015
Delusional

>>212305310
https://www.filologicafriulana.it/eventi-e-attivita/per-imparare-la-lingua-friulana/

>>212306281
I know
>>212306168
That's why I'm putting Portuguese aside for the distant future, but I have to start some Romance. French or German for the European experience. French, Italian or Japanese for visual culture. Spanish or Japanese for the amount of content.

Some anon was talking about the Defence Language Institute a day ir two ago. I looked into it for Chinese, its completely free.

Theres a Headstart2 course which seems to provide basics, like time, weather, directions, food, colours. The theres a military focussed one which has commands, orders, etc which I havent started. It wouldnt take too long to go through it - maybe a week or two if you focussed on it and you have a beginner level knowledge.

Theres the more advanced Global Language Online Support System (gloss) which is probably really useful, I havent actually accessed it but theres thousands of lessons, for all the relevant languages.

Yeah, nobody actually does this shit.
When I'm reading I read at like 1/2 or less of my native reading speed, which was already really low (I stop to think about the story)
I read for like 3 or 4 hours a day, 1 hour other input time, and I can actually feel the tension from being in so many strange and unfamiliar situations.

It's all low-focus and low-effort relaxation input, but I'm thinking about it all day. When I'm not inputting I'm just thinking about inputting or what I inputted earlier in the day. Still missing basic things despite being able to read adult-level books and doing a huge amount of listening. Anyone who pretends that they do this who isn't some NEET doesn't actually know a second language, I'm pretty much doubling the work you would do in any college-level course (even reading some of their books) and it's still not an acceptable level.

Actually learning a language to any sufficient level is like being in college on your free time.

夏日途中
樹夾炎風路 行人正午稀
初蟬數聲起 戲蝶一團飛
日色欺清鏡 槐膏點白衣
無成歸故里 自覺少光輝

>>212304461
Why?

>>212306772
i checked out the DLIFLC site and will probably try it out for my language, i just wish the us military felt that necromantic italians and revivified romans would spur them to make a latin course

>>212307628
just use llpsi

>>212306525
Grazie!

Is it dangerous to go to the Baltic states to study Russian?
I wanted to maybe travel to Riga for two weeks this summer to take an intensive Russian course, but my gf said it's it's too dangerous right now. Is it true that they passed laws to discriminate against Russian speakers and that you could get beat up or worse., or is that just Russian propaganda?

>>212307592
I've never seen a person below the age of 80 eat those

DLIFLC doesn't even have vietnamese even in GLOSS, that can't be right what the fuck

>>212308116
Interesting. I thought you were gonna tell me that they're only for children.

>>212300129
>I just don’t want to have to put any effort
typical ai fag

>>212308465
No they're for old people with bowel problems

>>212302572
>>212302632
>not realizing this is a sketch

>>212308107
I know that in Estonia they don't allow public signage in Russian anymore, but I heard from someone who's been there more recently than me that they got around with just Russian without issues, even in Tallinn, however they're a native speaker

>>212308651
Wtff @grok is this true???

>>212308461
Might have something to do with the difference between FSI and DLI, FSI definitely has something, but it may be classified.

A note on the Japanese course. One major advantage the online headstart 2 has over headstart 1 is that the course actually is written with Japanese script present.

>>212291283
Never been to France but most Québécois are incredibly nice about speaking French with you, provided you can actually hold a conversation. Many will switch to English for your convenience but if you insist on French then they'll be happy to switch back.

>>212309470
>Fig Newtons aren't just for old folks with bowel issues, though the fiber in figs can help with digestion. They're a soft, sweet cookie with a fig paste filling, originally marketed as a health food in the 1890s. The fiber (about 1g per cookie) might ease constipation, but they’re more of a nostalgic treat for all ages, with 12g of sugar per serving. Younger people eat them too—just check X, where folks post about loving them as a snack, not a laxative. If you’re asking for dietary advice, check with a doctor, but Fig Newtons are more about taste than targeting specific health problems.

Grok's answer (and a new translation challenge)

>modern humans have been around for 200,000 years
>writing was only invented 4000 years ago
Imagine how sick prehistoric languages must have been.

>>212307628
It's really hard to beat the llpsi books

>>212305011
You can search for "dessin animé" on YouTube and you'll get a million results.
My favorite hidden gem is Pokémon, by default it's in English but you can change the audio track and captions to French.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRcHmntfmJ8CnSmj4C284-a1euH518aQa

The online discussions around Heisig’s RTH/RTK on other sites shows that probably 5% of self-taught language learners actually bother to read the preface to textbooks, so then they end up months into studying a writing supplement and are baffled as to why they can’t tackle HSK1. Then they go on forums and say Remembering the Hanzi is a bad textbook because it wasn’t a comprehensive Chinese course, which they would have known if they took 5 minutes to skim the preface.

>>212311885
I’m partial to Fr. Most’s Latin by the Natural Method. But LLPSI definitely has advantages over it. I just find the history oriented focus more engaging, and the minimal, but still present, English explanations to be enough to make it a little less of a slog.

>>212285501 (OP)
fuck this guy

>>212311239
Feige-Newton sind nicht nur für Alte, die von Darmproblemen geplagt sind, obwohl die Faser darin bei der Verdauung verhelfen kann. Sie sind ein weicher, süßer Keks mit einer aus Feigenpaste bestehenden Füllung, und noch dazu waren sie ursprünglich als ein gesundes Lebensmittel in den 80er Jahren vermarkt worden. Die Faser (etwa 1g pro Keks) ist ohne Zweifel ein geeignetes Mittel zur Erleichterung von Verstopfung, aber Feige-Newtons sind eher eine nostalgische Leckerei für Menschen aller Altersgruppe mit 12g von Zucker pro Portion. Jüngere essen sie auch--schau mal auf X wo Leute oft darüber posten, wie sie die Keks als Imbiss wertschätzen anstatt als eine Art Abführmittel. Falls du nach Ernährungsrat fragst, befragt mal einen Arzt, aber Feige-Newtons haben mehr zu tun mit Geschmack als das Abzielen auf spezifische Gesundheitsprobleme.

First-time poster here. Hello, everyone.

>>212314765
learn Telugu

>>212314954
I won't.

>>212315032
why

>>212315032
learn Inuktitut

>>212315119
No one speaks it here, so why should I bother?

>>212315168
>only learning languages spoken within your country
ngmi

After what age does it become impossible to achieve C1 knowledge of a new language? 12? 16?

>>212315419
3

>>212315419
120

>>212315323
Well, languages are meant to convey the message with others and learn about different cultures, which Telugu doesn't have any of except maybe their cringe kino movies.

>>212314569
>Keks
Kek

>>212315561
What do you think of cloze cards? In my mining deck I generate three cards for each new word, one of the cards contains a sample sentence with the new word blanked out and I need to type it in

>>212311714
The emergence of languages at all is such an interesting thing to me. And to think that perhaps there is some super distant ur-language that all the others eventually descend from. Already cool what we can glean from the extant Indo-Euro langs about Proto-Indo-European.

>>212316023
not this fucking jpg again

>>212315963
Never used them, but if you're typing in the answer, you're just making reviews take longer and taking away time from reading and listening. Anki is just a supplement, it shouldn't replace the real learning.

>>212315662
Even funnier is "Du gehst mir auf den Keks" means you're getting on my nerves.

Has anyone used Pimsleur? Thoughts?

>>212316904
Great for listening and speaking. Useless for reading and writing.

What about speaking straight away? I'm taking French lessons, but I've heard that you shouldn't speak the TL straight away at the beginning

>>212317018
Pimsleur asks you to "repeat after me" immediately. It's the whole point of the series.

Learning a language using games is fun!

>>212318281
Now I finally have a reason for reading all the in-game lit

>>212316904
>>212316931
>>212317018
>>212317100
>is this resource good?
>it’s not comprehensive
>yeah but is it good?
>it’s not comprehensive

To answer your question anon, repeat after me stuff can be a very useful primer for getting to start talking in a language, especially if you’re studying alone.

>>212318281
You wanna move to Poland?

>>212319597
yep

>>212318281
The elder scrolls games are 11/10 for language learning

Anyone got a link to Languagesimp’s book?

>>212320419
It's on libgen.li

>>212320582
Thanks

>>212319894
How difficult is it to immigrate from Belarus to Poland?

>>212320906
pretty difficult since 2020
even if you have a job offer, visa applications have been monopolized by some indian company for which it's unreal to get an appointment (they give a way like 20 visa slots a month for 10k people seeking, most people usually pay 300 euros to some semi-legal intermediary to snatch it for them) plus the embassy can reject your work visa for every dumb reason
best way is to get a job in an it company that can handle the bureacracy for you which is something i'm working on too

>>212321222
>visa applications have been monopolized by some indian company
I think something similar has happened here.

i will never learn this god-forsaken language

>>212321933
Why are you learning Swahili?

I am learning Koine Greek.

>>212321222
>visa applications have been monopolized by some indian company
Insane, but I'm not even surprised anymore.

The work has been done. Both French and Spanish, and Holly Molly, I knew it, but I'm still shocked how Spanish is easier in pronunciation than French. Spanish: no problemo. But after half an hour with French, my face and throat were sore.
>>212318582
>>212317100
Thx. I read about this not speaking and only listening for 1000 hours first rule, but it seems like some nonsense
>>212321222
>visa applications have been monopolized by some indian company
dafuq?

If your language requires one of these types of books, it's shit.

>>212324553
Your TL doesn't have verbs?

>>212324611
A real language doesn't need multiple pages of unnecessary conjugations for every verb.
>if it's winter and there's a Democrat in the White House, use this form
>if you're speaking to a child and you have to take a shit, use this form

imagine having your mind so poisoned that you bring up politics even when seething about verb conjugations

I forgot to keep up my 50 day Russian streak now I haven't learned anything in days or weeks, I don't know how much time has passed
I was doing good too

>>212325729
Eщe yмeeшь cчитaть дo дecяти?

best resource for mandarin subs for tv shows?

>>212326191
Halfway through I give up and instead feel a compulsion to say how much me and my cat want milk and cheese instead
And then I think about how I ended up neglecting my alphabetical literacy compared to verbal experience which was the whole fucking point of me trying again to learn some Russian, to memorize the alphabet consistently

>>212324553
How did he master so many languages?

>>212326391
Этo кoнeц

>>212285842
When I am done with farsi, MSA and my choice of dialects I will learn Turkish and then Russian. Thus I have spoken.

1. LatAm Spanish or Euro Spanish?
2. I'm also looking for a site to learn French with videos. Not Extr@ Francais, another one, but with videos from a similar period, probably early 2000. I remember there was a scene in a cafe there
>inb4 don't learn two at once
I'm gonna do this anyway. Both are so different in some aspects and so similar in others that I feel that I can do it. In the worst case, I will give up one of them

>>212327732
loro means parrot
oro is gold

Finna do 80s FSI headstart and then FSI basic for Korean if I can find the audio for basic.

should i learn dutch

>already know Latin to a high level
>already made good progress in Spanish and French
>Japanese is the only modern language that interests me
Spanish is useful as a unitedstatesian. French will be useful for my postgrad studies. Japanese genuinely excites me, but it serves me no real purpose
I'm fucked

>>212329264
Go to grad school. Study abroad and get into international trade. That’s what I did. Didn’t learn the language in a summer abroad for business but am working in it now that it’s potentially useful.

This is going to sound strange but when a native speaker approached me and spoke to me in real life, I instantly got hard from the excitement. It was a guy and I'm not even gay. I didn't speak to him in TL because I was so embarrassed.

>>212329235
learn German

>>212329995
sign of AGP
(autoglossophilia)

>>212322059
Kiswahili ni lugha kinachobarikiwa na mungu yetu

>>212308653
>it's a le squetsch, monsieaar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzTl6t9EK4s

https://youtube.com/shorts/MKu4l9ZJxN0?si=TVpt0VBKfSSnIgly

lel

Been watching family guy clips in German on youtube and the dub is honestly pretty fantastic in making jokes work in german.

Why don't arabs start making ero doujinshis? That would make people more motivated to learn their language

>>212315419
>Age 13
>Your brain realizes that you'll never learn new words or the dialect of the neighboring tribe and decides to stop making new pathways
Many such cases. I tried learning to swim after 15, drown.

>>212327732
>LatAm Spanish or Euro Spanish
Input whatever content you like the most of both of these and just know the distinctions.
LatAmers have different slang and food names in every country anyway, it's not some entire "thing", just a few general pronunciation rules and ideas.

This isn't like british english / american english, where british english is just worse. As long as you don't do the gay lisp you can do either, and ideally should be doing both.

4th of July vacation coming up Ameribros. Anki is on the backburner. New cards per day set to 0 for every deck. It's gonna be cruise control for the next week.

>>212331788
Hurray for forgetting stuff and having to learn it all over again!

>>212285501 (OP)
>that pic
kek

Easiest words to learn in any language:
>like
>subscribe
>channel
>bell
Post them in your TL

what's the most kino word order and why is it SOV?

>>212333132
The best system is a case system where words can go in any order. SOV is the next best scenario.
Latin can be written in any word order, but generally defaulted to SOV. That's why Latin is peak.

>using Ə to represent æ
What were the soviets thinking!!!

>>212313175
Many such cases

>>212322113
Check out /lit/'s classical language general

This site has archived a shit ton of older FSI/DLI materials. It’s a treasure trove of stuff.

It took some digging but they actually have an archive of the complete original gargantuan “basic” modern standard arabic course with all the audios. (They also have an old FSI Hijazi Arabic course)
https://www.livelingua.com/course/dli/arabic_language_course_-_basic_course

https://youtu.be/Spch3XAQhh8?feature=shared (One of the few videos on youtube discussing the FSI method)

Unfortunately the Japanese Basic course is still classified.

Keep in mind that “basic” courses are really only basic in vocabulary and otherwise are comprehensive courses that drill grammar intensively by audio. If, for example, someone really took the effort to complete the basic Korean course, they would have a pretty much complete and fairly reflexive understanding of Korean grammar. If they, on top of that, took advantage of the 650 G.L.O.S.S. (Which has premade anki and downloadable native audio and parallel passages) lessons to grind vocabulary, then at about ~16 words per lesson, combined with the basic vocab, this would amount to a pretty substantial vocabulary.

If combined with a healthy amount of more casual input, I see no reason this method wouldn’t work.

>inb4 boring
Stfu faggot and go find another hobby

>>212294927
how do you track?

El sol puso tos

What is a good site to get comprehensive language course for free or like for $50 or so a semester?

>>212286733
I wouldn't recommend Tagalog unless you have family from there. 80% of people under the age of 50 in the Philippines are like B2 minimum in English. In Manila a lot of people actually speak more English than Tagalog, so it's not super useful to a foreigner.

I find the culture interesting enough, especially if you look at it through the lens of it being this bizarre mix of Austronesian, American, and Spanish culture. But Thai and Indonesian/Malay culture is much more 'exotic' if that's what you're looking for.

Malay/Bahasa Indonesia are supposed to be pretty easy, even easier than Tagalog, which for me isn't too difficult. Idk about Thai.

Where's that fucking "I understand East Slavic languages much better than Czech and Slovak" Polish anon, so I can ban his IP off this board for spreading these disgusting lies?!?!?! He's pissing me off!!!

>>212341077
You won't do shit

>>212337479
I just add them manually

>>212305011
Spanish is better then French o algo

>>212343358
France is like Brazil but richer. Hispanic LatAm countries are like France but less relevant

>>212343457
France is filled with dumbass retard immigrants (Muslims) and Hispanic Latham countries don’t have stuff like that

the dabble urges are coming back again. how do I overcome the need to learn the basics of german and focus on my target language?

>>212343582
do an hour or two of dedicated TL study and then dabble after that

>>212343457
I'm more and more blackpilled about Latinos
>>212343582
That's a good advice: >>212343752
I can learn Spanish only if I studied French today

>>212343855
>>212343496
Fuck, I meant tag this >>212343496

>>212286565
I am learning it just to spite you

>>212343496
You learn french to read literature, not to interact with subtarded towelheads.

>>212344101
your loss

don't learn german

>>212332252
>gefallen
>abonnieren
>Kanal
>Glocke

>>212344786
t. Jude

>>212339004
https://languagelearning.site
https://annas-archive.org

Time for peppapigtoil

>>212346613
It's not that bad imo

>>212346613
*snort snort*

>>212339004
I’ve been posting about it recently ITT and past threads but you can see if there’s .pdfs and audios of FSI/DLI courses online in your TL.

FSI Basic courses in particular are beasts of courses but that’s what being “comprehensive” requires.

Ultimately with language learning the best course you can do is one you “make” on your own. This can be really intimidating as a beginner, which is why a beginner course that’s as close to comprehensive as possible is ideal. But basically it amounts to getting a grounding in core vocab and grammar, often through a basic text, then actually engaging with the language IRL as much as while building vocabulary (which includes just watching youtube or something in your TL).

>>212285842
What good visual / audio media is there to consoom in Turkish? The only Turkish movies I know are ones that are famous for being bad.

>>212347039
They have a ton of long-running telenovelas, if you're into that kind of stuff.

>>212336466
https://fsi-languages.yojik.eu/languages/
This site has the most complete archive of pdfs and audio for FSI/DLI/Peace Corps courses I can find.

>>212285501 (OP)
Pic is really funny but also, for autodidacts starting out with language learning, I can’t think of a single thing more damaging than focusing on telling them what NOT to do. As long as a method works and the student has faith in it, it will work eventually, so creating doubt in students doesn’t really help them. Unfortunately, the whole space is filled with shills shilling their course except like 3-5 people.

>>212287723
Ich wolle der heimat zusehen aber ich hab angst das die moderne Deutsche sind wie die Ami. Vergeb meine schlechtes deutsch bitte, Opa verstarb lang vor ich war geboren und mein Vater war ein Schwachkopf wer denkt das Deutsch war nicht wichtig.

>>212346613
I tried peppa pig and I'm uncapable

>>212350646
Pussy

>>212350646
>uncapable
esl moment

>>212305023
since I was 4 lol, I'm here for a different language

>>212349347
you are mystery meat. the germany from which your granddad came from is not the current germany and until you accept that you will never be able to master german

>>212351641
Ah I thought I was talking to a german, my mistake

>>212351806
I am german and what that anon said is correct, does that help?

Why is it taking soooo longggggggggggggg

>>212351641
elende Schwuchtel

I want to learn Russian, Mandarin, German and Japanese before 30, I'm 21. Is it possible?

>>212352897
what happens if you don't learn them all by 30

I feel like mandarin throws 对 all over the place.
I only really know it to meana "right" or "correct"

>>212352897
Yes

>>212352897
Anything is possible if you're willing to Do The Work™.

>>212352920
I feel bad
>>212352995
How many hours should I study a day consistently?

you never stop learning stuff. fucking native speakers are still learning new words. there is no "time to learn X". It's a life-long habit. Get this stupid idea out of your heads. It makes no sense and it's totally useless.

>>212353093
This would be a 'convert your entire environment into target language so youre immersed 24/7' level of endeavor, not a 'study x hours every day' project

te odio, que te jodan

>>212353226
Fuck

>>212353521
you weren't going to do it anyway. you're asking stupid questions like that which have no relevence to anything. it's not a real problem.

>>212352897
You will never be a fluent speaker. You have no upbringing in the language, as a 21-year-old, you have no more neuroplasticity, you have no more intuitive sensing.

You are an autistic man twisted by age and Anki cards into a crude mockery of the neuroplastic brain’s perfection. Native speakers are utterly repulsed by you. Decades of immersion since infancy have allowed natives to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even C1-certified speakers sound uncanny and unnatural to a native. Your half-assed attempt at proper prosody is a dead giveaway.

And even if you manage to convince a drunk guy you’re a fluent speaker, he’ll clock you the second he hears the unnatural prescriptive semblance of grammar your textbook taught you. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and try to pull a ‘how do you do, fellow kids?’ on someone, but deep inside you feel how fake you sound, crushed by your brain’s own rigidity and the weight of not immersing while it was still capable.

This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back

>>212353812
Skill issue

>>212353521
The 24/7 immersion thing isnt as hard as it sounds im doing it rn with korean
All my apps, ui, games, etc. are set to korean, i only watch korean content, i listen to korean music and audio constantly, etc.

>>212353812
Why are people so mentally ill about sounding foreign like they literally have to transform into the ethnicity they’re trying to build proficiency in the language of?


Anyways, does anyone have advice on finding good beginner anki decks and input material for Korean?

>>212353812
Trannys are grotesque. C1 speakers are endearing.
This pasta doesn't really fit the bill.

>>212354109
Comprehensble input korean on youtube is good
The grammar sentences by evita deck is very good (critical actually, teaches all the verb endings and sentence patterns), and the korea core 5k deck is also good

>>212354109
>>Anyways, does anyone have advice on finding good beginner anki decks and input material for Korean?
Post tits first.

>>212326791
[Enter language here] for Dummies books

>>212313175
>Then they go on forums and say Remembering the Hanzi is a bad textbook
I mean arguably it is shit textbook - Chinese characters are easy as shit to remember, but fundamentally this is an American problem. Americans too lazy and up their own ass to read instructions before jumping into anything.

What do you mandem think about the SOLT courses? Are the materials any good for self study? Love.

>>212353812
die einzige Wahl die mir bleibt ist dann meinen Traum aufzugeben, eines Tages Deutsch halbwegs ordentlich zu sprechen, denn ich habe mit 24 damit angefangen. Warum muss das Leben so verdammt zermürbend sein? Hat der liebe Gott uns nur zum Leiden erschaffen? Was für eine Grausamkeit Menschen so zu schaffen dass sie nur die für die Setzung von Langzeitzielen benötigte geistige Reife erreichen nachdem sich ihre Gehirne völlig versteinert haben, und deswegen sind nicht mehr in der Lage, eine Fremdsprache aufzusaugen.

Arabic is one of the worst languages to exist.

>>212354004
I'm sure that will cause you some social problems, I don't want that.

>>212354322
It’s for business. I don’t like Kpop. I work in trade and have worked in Seoul at Korean firms.

>>212354322
rangeban bongs

>>212354283
I was planning on using the FSI Basic Korean course for grammar education, so I figured I should just do a frequency based deck insofar as I use premades and don’t mine. I’ll think about it, I just think adding a 2.5k deck on top of the frequency deck, on top of an actual written/audio book might be a bit excessive in terms of anki.

>>212355401
Korean is one of the most morphologically complex languages on the planet, so even if you memorize tons of vocabulary the language will still be very opaque. I wouldn't recommed skipping the grammar sentences deck, its really high ROI for the amount of time spent.

>>212354980
Posting on /lang/ would mean you have enough social problems already

/lang/ challenge (One Direction edish)

>You’re insecure
>Don’t know what for
>You’re turning heads when you walk through the door
>Don’t need make up
>To cover up
>Being the way that you are is enough

>Everyone else in the room can see it
>Everyone else but you

>Baby you light up my world like nobody else
>The way that you flip your hair gets me overwhelmed
>But when you smile at the ground it ain’t hard to tell
>You don’t know (oh oh)
>You don’t know you’re beautiful
>If only you saw what I can see
>You’d understand why I want you so desperately
>Right now I’m looking at you and I can’t believe
>You don’t know (oh oh)
>You don’t know you’re beautiful
(Oh oh)
>That’s what makes you beautiful

>So come on
>You got it wrong
>To prove I’m right I put it in a song
>I don’t why
>You’re being shy
>And turn away when I look into your eyes

>>212355621
Isn’t it pretty similar to Japanese grammar but slightly less regular? I have some experience with Japanese, and actually Latin already.

You’re probably right though since even though I’m doing FSI Basic, which is a highly rigorous and detailed grammar course, doing the Anki will let me come at it from two sources without a large extra time investment.

However, is the vocab in the deck’s 2.5k cards pretty good core vocab? Should I go even farther and do a frequency deck on top of it?

>>212344194
Spanish is more popular in my region anyway

>>212356199
你不知道你有都漂亮

>>212355621
Also, does anyone have recommendations on editing software that I can use to make condensed audio of the FSI basic mp3? Anything that’s free that will let me just splice and combine Mp3s should be plenty.

>>212354854
Gib nicht auf, mein amerikanischer Freund, ich glaube an dich!

my wife chino... I WANT TO FUCK CHINO
please chino is so cute my wife chino is so cute chino chan sex chino sex with chino i'd like some more kafuu chino sex with chino kafuu chino my wife cute is so chino wife

>>212352897
Yeah definitely depending on what you mean by 'learn'

>>212358947
>my wife chino

my TL French... I WANT TO LEARN FRENCH
please French is so cute my TL French is so cute French chan sex French sex with France i'd like some more Bonjour France sex with French oui oui Français my TL cute is so French TL

Decided to check out the FSI basics course for Czech...30 pages on pronunciation later...
I don't know if I should thank you guys or curse you

NEW
>>212359293
>>212359293
>>212359293
NEW

>>212359241
based

>>212359261
Based Czechia appreciator. V4 is honestly the peak of humanity.