Thread 212626521

tell me about the process of becoming a trucker in your country

>>212626521 (OP)
be indian get a license fraudulently then re-enact the juggernaut

>>212626521 (OP)
>be romanian
>work 16/h day
>piss in a plastic bottle

>two theory tests
>one hazard perception test
>one manoeuvre test
>one one hour driving test

>>212627354
wait so it takes like a few days to become a trucker in the UK?

>>212626521 (OP)
>have god complex
> pass truck driving test
>get license
>shit in the gravel, piss in the bottle and whine on Facebook on lazy youngsters and politicians

>>212626677
fucking hell imagine the smell

>>212626521 (OP)
To become a truck driver, you basically need to have a driving license with category C (heavy truck) or CE (heavy truck with heavy trailer), as well as a valid professional competence certificate (YKB) if you are going to drive in commercial traffic. You must also be 21 years old (or 18 years old if you are training at a high school or with a licensed trainer) and have a valid driving permit. Plus a normal driving license of course.

The licensing and education itself to become a truck driver usually takes between 22 and 40 weeks, depending on the type of training and whether you choose to study full-time or part-time. The training includes both theory and practice, risk training, dangerous conditions driving and emergency procedures, and often includes on-the-job learning (actually for the most part, you spend 2-3 weeks as a "sit-in" and just watch a senior trucker do his/her job during that time.

Been a trucker for 11 years now.

>>212627749
lets say i finished driving school and i want to drive a truck, but companies hire only people with experience what would be your advice on how to get a first job?

>>212627749
>Been a trucker for 11 years now.
how do you have time to post on 4chan?
do you see any hope for partial automation in the future or do you think trucking will remain a somewhat focus-intensive field for the next few decades?

I feel like if trucking was as easy as being a pilot where the truck was on autopilot 90% of the time it would be a FAR better career

>>212628487
I don't know anon. Trucking companies always need new drivers here. I've moved cities and even across the country now several times.
I've gotten a job within a month every single time.
Even back when I was green. It's one of the most "guaranteed" jobs here.
But I guess it's like with anything. Get experience. Call your local companies, ask them for an internship.

>>212627749
>The licensing and education itself to become a truck driver usually takes between 22 and 40 weeks
most ridiculous thing I've heard in my life

>>212628586
>how do you have time to post on 4chan?
1. I am on my vacation. 6 weeks of paid chilling.

2. A truck driver may drive a maximum of 9 hours per day, but this may be extended to 10 hours twice per week. The maximum driving time per week is 56 hours, and over a two-week period it may not exceed 90 hours. After every 4.5 hours of driving, the driver must take a break of at least 45 minutes, which may be divided into two breaks. In addition, a daily rest period of at least 11 consecutive hours must be taken within each 24-hour period.

So you see, we have a lot of free time to spend.

>>212628631
It's EU, you need a licence here even for moving boxes or using step ladder. Everything is overregulated.

>>212628674
apologies if this is coming from a position of ignorance but I don't see how driving a truck could possibly require 40 weeks of fucking training

that's ridiculous and is probably directly resulting in far fewer truck drivers than what europe actually needs

>>212628586
Also about automation within the field, I only see it becoming viable in limited scenarios. Like very particular routes (between lets say the harbor and the storage facility and such) that never change.
There's too many variables for automation to become a thing anytime soon.
>>212628631
I prefer it that way. I don't want a bunch of retards on the road. Plenty of those in normal cars already.

>>212628596
>internship
>for trucking
kek
just kek

idk what to even say

>>212626521 (OP)
Truckers here have that stereotype bodybuilders have of liking BBWs, butchers too but not as much

>>212628721
It's a full on education here anon. Not just a "take the licence course and go driving".
Same as becoming a welder, plumber, metal worker, electrician etc. It requires studying and classes.

And we have seen what happens when less qualified (aka Polish) drivers enter our roads. Chaos. Every single time.

>>212628906
so what do people who aren't that smart do in sweden? just kill themselves?

there are plenty of people in the USA of all races who just aren't really fit for formal education.

and honestly that's fine. I hate that some countries push the formal education system so hard.

>>212628806
>idk what to even say

>>212628955
You don't need to be smart to become a trucker.
It's not that kind of education. It's work-based. You learn by doing and memorizing.
I know people who can't do basic math who drive heavy trucks here.

Honestly, if you can't pass the trucking education here then you shouldn't be behind the wheel of a truck.

>>212629122
well I'm probably going to start the CDL training program in the USA in a few weeks and I'll tell you how it goes

I believe it takes a few weeks. there's a memorization / testing component and then a driving test I believe, along with various specific certifications for hazardous materials, driving people, driving refrigerated trucks, etc.

I don't really *need* to get a CDL because I have an engineering degree but the government offers free training so I may as well take it.

>>212629213
Well I wish you good luck anon. I love my job and I hope you enjoy yours as well in the future.

>>212629351
thanks anon. I will pray for good relations between our countries in the future

Not even the animal waste could save you from having to smell that many indians at once

>>212629458
you have a lot of indian truckers in norway?

>>212629458
>>212627480
woopsie daisy

>>212628734
>>212628586
We already have automated trucks but instead of a driver it's just monitored by a dude in an office. My dad's co-worker moved to Texas to "drive" one when they were first being driven on the road then got laid off once they phased driver monitors out.
https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/driverless-semi-trucks-are-on-the-road-in-north-texas/

>>212626521 (OP)
No idea desu. I used to watch a Hungarian trucker who worked abroad. There are English subtitles, it is pretty interesting imo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmpUAI321kU

>>212626677
>>212627480
the "toxic fumes" were actually emanating from the people inside the well and not the waste

>>212626521 (OP)
several ways
>trade school
only way to become one at 18. with passed trade school and an apprenticeship you can start trucking at 18. getting the license is part of the classes and they get the full alphabet.
>privately
total cost of the entire alphabet in license classes is ca 15k € and many do it privately, often in increments, one class at a time. im only at c1 but can drive up to full size if its titled as a machine not a truck.
>welfare office
they often retrain various tradies and such who suffered injuries into truckers or bus drivers.
>military
some, at a total random selection, get the full alphabet in classes done at a crash course there
you still need a few more for driving gasoline, propane, acid, dynamite etc but thoose are piece of cake compared.

>>212629649
They tried that here but the moment winter hit they cancelled the program. Without a driver in the truck it just wasn't working.

>>212630154
is there any reason why a guy with a 360 degree camera wouldn't be able to see and respond to everything that a guy sitting in a cockpit of a truck would be able to do

>>212630154
intuitively it should be pretty simple to implement this I think

like every signal you get as a trucker is a visual one, with some limited audio feedback too... from mostly the same destination too, it's not like your head is moving that much while you sit in a drivers seat.

so a camera setup that can swivel just like a driver's head with some mics could basically recreate the experience of sitting in the cockpit pretty easily I think.

idk. need to do more research on why remote piloting of vehicles isn't more popular in the USA.

>>212628721
i dare say it should require 40 years of training. a year is 52 weeks, how can you be trained not having experienced all of it?
i sense a difference in approach to it here, you think of a drivers license as a legal proof you are allowed to drive trucks, we see it as a legal proof you are actually competent in driving trucks under all possible conditions. there is a big difference there.
we just cant afford to have so many unexperienced drivers crashing all the time it blocks the entire country during winter, we are currently getting a lot of them from east europe.

>>212630154
actually I know what the reason is

truckers don't just drive, they do a lot of handoff work at their destinations, check the status of the cargo, truck, etc, which obviously a remote pilot couldn't do.

but I think a system where a trucker sleeps while a remote pilot guides the truck over long haul journeys might be effective

all the monotonous driving work of being a trucker is taken out of the equation, allowing for more uptime for the truck. might be a good startup idea idk.

>>212630433
you can justify it all you want but europe is less competitive than the USA for a reason and a big reason is your approach to regulation.

you can continue to choose to lead the world in regulation if you want. that's great. the USA will lead the world in innovation instead

>>212630433
>>212630154
daily reminder that northvolt failed directly because of the actions of you two. congratulations

>>212630210
>>212630324

Well. Let me put one of my scenarios from last winter into this.
>going from Gothenburg central to Umeå up in the north
>about mid-trip the main highway was blocked due to a traffic accident
>instead of waiting for 10+ hours for it to clear I went on side roads just to keep my schedule
>lots of snow and ice
>at one point I had to stop and put the snow chains on just to make it up a hill which limits speed to 50km/h (law)
>once I was beyond the hill I had to stop and take them off again
>not much later, this time in an intersection I blew a tire because for some reason the Nokian Hakka we use don't like the double chains
>again, had to get out and swap that out
>then, just before I was entering Umeå on a one lane, one way a car had spun out and was stuck halfway in the ditch and I got out and helped that driver get moving

Being a trucker is more (a LOT more) than just driving. At least for us it is. Ask any driver with some experience and they will tell you the same thing. There's always something fucky that needs attention. A coupling not coupling, a leaky hose, punctures, other people etc.
An automatic truck becomes a useless roadblock in those cases until a repair/service person can reach it and fix it.

>>212630505
your yeets and nogs in peterbildts would crash every second truckload here, how would this make us more compedetive? we rely on getting fish from shithole to europe, only skilled truckers can do that year round. some of these skilled truckers are now polish, romanian and lithuanian but they mostly drive for norwegian companies that supply good trucks, good tires, chains and insurrance.
we beat you in most aspects anyway without even trying. lol you cant even buy the trucks we do this with.

>>212630568
Why on earth would I give a damn about Northvolt?
The ONE thing they were know for here was work related accidents and deaths.
The two people who died mysteriously after working their shifts were just ignored and people hated them for it.

>>212628631
Their exam is quite tricky, I tember being told about it including sections like trying to diagnose a mechanichal issue.

>>212630977
europeans love making things infinitely harder than they should be

>>212630611
traveling tradie and i feel you. i understand trucking, i live my life on the same roads as you, i done some myself. dont know how many times i stopped and acted as early warning for truckers putting on chains or offered them a snack and a coffe when their truck was at 45* in the ditch. i also try my best not to drive the heavy trafficed roads, they suck during winter when pjotr and his man on slicks slide all over the place and they suck during summer when helmuth (78) fall asleep in his campervan.
oslo to my place east of trondheim, its e6 to løten then e3, then i continue east to trysil and follow 26 up north. hardly any traffic at all, just comfy cruising. there is even a dirtroad shotcut there that makes up the extra time i spendt.

>>212631332
>>212630611
what cargo do you guys drive?

>>212631058
>call a cab in usa
>take me to xxx
>i dont know where that is?
>please pay tip
how mentally crippled do you have to be to make this a bad thing?

>>212631372
im a tradie i drive vans like transit or transporter, have driven skylift trucks and other such "machines" on truck chassies.
everything is driven here, food, frozen fish, concrete, gravel, building material, logging (they are crazy and on another level) nothing special just regular trucking. except most roads here are as bad or worse than your dalton highway.

>>212631417
the ONLY fucking thing I care about when I call a cab is getting the lowest possible price I can get. I don't give a singular fuck if the cab driver knows historical facts about every random street.

you might not understand this but that exact mentality is what is leading to europe's stagnation. you probably don't even care

American ice road truckers and Australian outback truckers make like 150k a year right? Thats good money

>>212631058
Being able to confront harder things makes you autonomous and not just another piece of a mechanism. Just consider it like helping yourself to overcome adversities alone when there's no one available to help.

>>212631632
you americans are so much poorer than you think...

>>212631683
you aren't wrong, and that is actually what it's about, isn't it?

social cohesion. enforcing a form of cultural boundaries through testing, setting the requirement artificially high to ensure that only people who are already part of the in-group can make it.

let me tell you right now this style of cultural enforcement won't work and in all honestly it's already lost. its not compatible with capitalism. business owners don't care for it and honestly customers don't either. customers *will not* pay more for a product just because it's made by people in your in-group or whatever. they will prefer that foreigner quasi-slaves do the truck driving over people like you *every* *single* *time*.

and no matter how many government restrictions people throw up, ultimately these businesses will lose. like they already have.

I'm not saying I love this system, it's just how capitalism works. Is this not how life in norway / sweden works?

>>212631372
I've hauled everything from washing machines and sinks to drinks and metal scrap. Depends on the contract.

>>212631823

do you own your own truck?

>>212631880
I do but I only drive it on local hauls. It's a 2003 Scania R 580 V8 6X4. I bought it from the last company I worked for when they upgraded their fleet to more modern trucks.
On long hauls it's always the company trucks I use.

>>212626677
Jeets are like fruit flies or something

>>212630861
blood and sacrifice is required to grease the wheels of progress

every single group of ancient humans understood this

OP it's piss easy to get your license, I did it in CA for $2000 during Covid. Multiple companies will sponsor you in exchange for slavery or you can just join the military as an 88M like everyone smart does. Even then, most Texas DMVs will just sell you the license for a grand because Texas is extremely permissive about this sort of thing.

>>212632072
tell me more? how long did it take you?

>>212632072
>Even then, most Texas DMVs will just sell you the license for a grand because Texas is extremely permissive about this sort of thing.
wait a minute lol.
I was thinking about going through a government program but it takes like 6 weeks to complete, honestly I'd rather just pay the $1000

does this license work across the usa? what's the catch

>>212631806
i dont really enjoy city life despite having lived it for way too long. thank god im back to rural. at first, 10 years ++ ago a taxi driver here would have passed a test like london, if drunk and heading home or to a friend you just told them the street and house and they where on their way. now you got a somali fiddling with the gps. fuck that i guide him myself instead. and i pay for this?
london is hella based in that you can give the most obscure adress to a black cab and they will get you there, cheaper than other services. then you swipe your oyster card on the way home.
its got nothing with your schizo theories, if anything it makes it better since cab driver is now a respectable trade with a living wage.

>>212632103
About ~10 weeks. I went to a shithole "school" that was mostly people on day release from the local jail. But, the school only used Manuals so I would get my license without the restriction. Getting the truck forward is easy, getting it to back up took about 20-40 tries for me to really get the hang of it. Then I realized I could just practice with a uhaul trailer, since it's the same manuvers with the wheel, and the rest was pretty easy.

The test itself is kinda meaningless since the inspection part is just an english test and anyone can drive a truck forward without clipping the trailer. The only hard park is backing it, but it's either a blindside parallel park or dock. If you use the Salinas DMV it's always a dock. You can also just watch the Salinas DMV exams from right outside on the street, it's not a secret location. The San Jose, Fremont, Oakland and Sacramento aren't secret either.

>>212632119
The catch is whoever you're paying off. Usually, Texans (if you are actually a citizen of Texas and NOT mexican) will just pay the examiner $1000 for their Permit. Then, under TX laws, working for a year on a Permit allows them to apply for the full License which is valid in all 50 states. I have no idea if Texas has bothered to patch it but given all the shit, stupid drivers that come from there probably not. Texas doesn't prosecute illegal truck driving anyway, they let teenagers drive trucks there all the time, and I have personally witnessed this on many occasions. Texas don't care, Oklahoma don't care, Arkansas don't care and Louisiana don't care.

In this way the "catch" is that you can't drive anything requiring placards, can't drive to Mexico and can't drive to a socialist communist nanny state like California, Illinois, Colorado or Michigan where all the freight is. But Texas is pretty big and Trump is relocating over half their drivers.

>>212627749
The trucking lifestyle sounds amazing and appeals to a schizoid like me who has zero desire to interact with other humans. I wish I weren't so terrified of driving, otherwise I'd definitely go in for that.

>>212626521 (OP)
>be indian
>enter country
>go to truck company
>start driving truck

>>212632520
Fun thing is, I don't like driving normal cars. I hate traffic and the stress. But my truck is my castle in a way. You're sitting above everything else on the road, people give way (hopefully..) and you just drive.
But trucking is at it's peak when you hit the big highways, rural roads and scenic routes and just cruise.

>>212632681
Do you have any serious worries about autonomous vehicles rendering most trucking jobs redundant in the near future, or do you think it's just a nothingburger? Bongland is getting its first self-driving taxis next year, but there's some talk of potentially automating long-distance driving on motorways within the next decade.

>>212632778
Already mentioned if you scroll up the thread but in short, no.
There's way too many variables for that to be viable.

most truckers i've met here were sociopath ex-cons

>>212626521 (OP)
it's the most challenging of all the driving licenses,
not unheard to have people on their 7th or 8th attempt, trying to get it