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previous thread >>212576570

>>212662754 (OP)
is spanish english and chinese a good combo?

>>212662910
What's Spanish English?

learn Bulgarian

>>212663055
Miami English

>>212662910
Too global/international
>>212663093
Too limited usage

>>212662910
if your goal is to maximize ROI on places you can go or people you can talk to English+French+Spanish is the best trio. you get coverage of like 100 countries with that alone
mandarin is very high effort, and only useful in a couple countries

>>212662754 (OP)
i grow stronger every day

Learn French

Pepa pig is just a meme right?

>>212663093
Useless

What about English + French + Japanese (+ Spanish) combo?

How do you say "Epstein didn't kill himself" in your TL?

>>212663679
οὐκ αὐτοσφαγὴς ὁ Ἕψτιν

>>212663528
Yes and no
It's just a show made for toddlers that has simple vocab and is dubbed in a lot of languages

>>212663679
Se nebazil Epstein
>>212663755
I'm not finding a lot of other content at my level, but I think I'll keep listening to shit I understand 10% of

>>212663334
what does roi mean?

>>212663305
>Too global/international
and why is that bad exactly?

>>212663874
return on investment I assume he means

What about French + Japanese + English (maybe + Spanish) combo?

Anyone here learning Swedish for fun? I know some simple Japanese from childhood. What are your favorite shows from Sweden?
>mumintrollet
>madicken
>some comedy show I forgot the name of right now

>>212664116
I'm practising my Swedish and thinking of attending a summer course in Sweden next year but I usually just listen to the news ._.

I can understand the news better than TV shows and I don't know whether that's a good or bad thing

Reminder French is totally irrelevant. Only spoken by africans and muzzies, and outside of Quebec scant few in Canada even speak it.

>>212664345
>usually just listen to the news
>can understand the news better than TV shows
You should do listen to them 50/50 for a while perhaps and see how well your listening gets.
I can understand Japanese music more than tv shows and anime too because I just listen to music nowadays, for example.

>>212664513
One of the two most important countries in the EU. English is significant only thanks to the USA and previously England, the only significant Canadian contribution to Anglo-Saxon culture is the TV series Trailer Park Boys and Avril Lavigne

>>212663334
French will only get you raped and murdered though.

>>212665268
Never heard of either

>>212665268
You're writing in English.

>>212663679
Epstein hat sich nicht umgebracht
Epstein hat sich sein Leben nicht genommen.
Epstein hat Selbstmord nicht begangen.
Epstein hat sich nicht suizidiert

Epstein ne s'est pas suicidé.
Epstein ne s'est pas tué

>>212665745
Yes, and not thanks to Canada. So don't shit on France. Without France and the French language and its influence on English and American literature, the English language would not be half as interesting and we would not be able to enjoy the great American and British literature.

it took me about 12 years but i finally managed to learn the days of the week in english
it was really tough i have to admit, had to open a tab with them and glance at it occasionally for like 3 whole days

>>212667208
me with french numbers past 10

>>212667352
I love saying 99 in french

>>212667531
nonante neuf?

>>212667739
It's a good try
As a bonus it makes more sense than how they say it

J'ai quatre-vingt-dix-neuf problèmes, mais une garce n'en fait pas partie.

>>212667765
That's how they say it in French Switzerland

>>212668002
Why do the Swiss get better French than us?

any anon that speaks latin? At least on a basic level is it worth it, or is it just a waste of time?
>inb4 dead language

>>212668113
furthermore seventy is septante and eighty is huitante

>>212664513
True
>>212665268
France is an unimportant shithole. The language of the EU after english is german.

>>212668191
So it's like a real language then

I’m so glad to see so many people hate on (the) French.

>>212668122
eh, Greeks mogs it and imho makes it more worth it, but still, it's also kinda up to you, what interests you culture/literature-wise, it's impossible to say objectively, couple of years of learning and intensive reading and you could enjoy Virgil, is it going to be worth it? up to you, I think poetry always makes it worth it insofar as getting something out of it that no translation will truly capture, but then again maybe you won't enjoy it

>>212668896
I assume you're the Greek learning anon
What are your thoughts on Pontic Greek?

>>212668297
Soon France will experience its renaissance, and Germany will fall into a recessionary spiral (to our detriment)

>>212669211
I learned and read ancient, mostly Homeric and Attic, never dabbled in modern varieties, I only know it's still essentially derived from Koine, albeit conservatively so

What's the best way to utilise Anki for Italian? Is there a specific deck I should be looking out for other than just using any deck with sentences?

So far my plan is to use Anki as well as language transfer and an Italian grammar book. When I am able I will progress to voice notes in Italian and writing sentences

Ohh God i'm gonna- i'm gonna dabbbllleee

>>212669306
Im the Turkish learning anon
I spent a couple of weeks dabbling in Pontic Greek out of curiosity because there was some really high quality content teaching it in Turkish on youtube
I learned a few hundred words, some grammar etc but quit because it felt too obscure and has little practical usage
But still felt like a cool language, so its kinda a shame at the same time

>>212668896
thanks for the insight, mainly want to learn latin to read texts that don't have a translation, as for learning greek I personally find it more niche, since latin also helps with other romance languages

>>212669709
pretty much all ancient stuff is more or less translated, indeed you'll find much more untranslated stuff from the last 1000 years but then again if it's not translated already usually it's because it's not too exciting for non academics, maybe you'd have to couple it with some niche related interest like e.g getting into some medieval or early modern philosophy/philosopher whose works are only partially available in modern translation, things like this

>>212669889
Alright, thanks for the deep knowledge fren

surely you boys know enough spanish by now to fully understand this.
Right?

>>212669409
I dabbled in Italian for 4 days but I realised it was a dumb idea and got it out of my system thank god

>they aren't doing Automatic Language Growth
You will never succeed.

>turn on video in TL
>don't understand a lot but sometimes catch certain words being said a lot
>google it, see how it makes sense in the context
>put it in deck
>repeat until end of video
>do reps
>rewatch video, repeat for words i didn't catch
is this workflow good?

>>212664766
Why not, sure. I like moomin and I found it in Swedish fairly recently

Also: 日本語話せる?

ALG is by far the most extreme & hardcore learning method and yet it's probably the only one that actually works

>>212670410
You have to balance it
Only listening doesnt work

>>212671050 <<< permanent damage

>>212671153
you cant just passively listen to incomprehensible content for thousands of hours and expect to magically understand it after a certain period
Your brain needs something to chew on, comprehensible input is crucial

>>212671376
ALG assumes that the input is comprehensible, anon. fucks sake, get with the program.

>>212671376
ALG is CI but claiming that trying to do anything other than understand what's being conveyed to you is bad

try to repeat? you'll fossilize your shitty retarded foreigner accent and it will never sound right

try to analyze the language or ask questions? you won't learn intuitively and you'll be way slower

try to read? you'll get too tied up on individual words instead of the meaning of the sentence, which is how natives read, and you'll be way slower.

that's not verbatim but basically that

>>212671583
I started learning my TL with Duolingo at first and it didn't fossilize anything or whatever

>>212671615
you're inherently biased

>>212671615
You'll never reach a high level due to permanent damage caused by that. not complicated.

>>212671690
From what I know the claims is that it's gonna be harder not impossible.

>>212671977
>From what I know the claims is that it's gonna be harder not impossible.
>"the claims is"
permanent damage

>>212671627
>>212671690
I have over 1k hours of CI and I'm doing great

>>212669409
You know what you must do.

>>212663679
Epstein hajiui
>>212673130
mpiranya's grammar book is better.
>t. dabbler

>>212672090
Plenty of people get to high levels using CI + flash cards and light grammar study.
You can go on Refold servers where people do exactly that.
ALG people still claim they're not as good as they could be and not native level, which they could have been without manual study.
But I've never seen someone who claimed to only do comprehensible input with perfect grammar and a perfect accent. They're not any better than the Refolders.
Either ALG theory isn't correct, or it's really really hard to learn a language deliberately without ever thinking about grammar or words, and so the only people to do it properly are the ones who don't know they're learning a language.

>>212673199
>grammar

>>212671977
Brown does claim damage can be permanent. From his autobiography:
>Here are three levels to buck with. 1) Don’t force speaking. (Obviously.) 2) Don’t encourage speaking. (Any time spent speaking wastes valuable that could be spent on understanding.) 3) Don’t even allow speaking. (Speaking during the first 500-1000 hours causes permanent damage.) Here’s the progression again. Speaking isn’t necessary, it wastes time, and it causes damage. So what do we do about it?

>2025
>still no Refold Anki deck for Russian

>>212673312
I recognize that guy but im not sure from where

>>212673608
It's the dreaming spanish guy

What's the best non-western classical language?

>>212675686
Probably either Classical Chinese or Middle Egyptian (or its descendant Coptic)

>>212675686
Classical Chinese
Classical Japanese
There's Sanskrit but not really much there to interest me personally

another day of Chinese, Japanese and a little Korean
>>212676992
Sanskrit /lit/ is better in English translation anyway

>>212669256
Delusional. France is demographically cooked. I wouldn't be surprised if it's already majority non-white among young people and only boomers (who will soon die) pump up the numbers.

>>212677661
No more so than other countries. They've had a shorter period of demographic decline than Germany and Italy, and they have better integration capabilities. I'm not saying there won't be social friction and tensions, but in my opinion, they'll have an easier time dealing with migration than the Germans, who view nationality in ethnic terms and can't fully integrate into German society because someone will always be more or less German. If France stops migration and expels illegal migrants, those who remain and are already descendants of immigrants will integrate into society; at most, they'll become a separate social class or community, as African-Americans, Irish-Americans, Italian-Americans etc. in the US.

>speedrunning spanish as a french native after 4 years of japanese
Feels so good man.
Jap was rough but after 4k hours I'm happy with the results and can keep progressing in cruising mode.

>>212678351
Yeah sure, they're gonna integrate people who barely speak french and hate France.
Honestly, I think Germany and Austria have better demographics than France. The french don't keep any demographic data or at least don't release it to the public for a reason, they're scared to reveal how fucked they are.
Even if we assume everything you said is true, their situation is worse than it was in the '90s. I don't see how that could lead to a 'renaissance', maybe a managed decline.

>>212678351
>descendants of immigrants will integrate into society; at most, they'll become a separate social class or community, as African-Americans, Irish-Americans, Italian-Americans etc. in the US.
The negros haven't integrated into the american society. They are they most violent and have the highest crime rate, they hate amerikkka and all of their problems are somehow caused by those waysist peckerwoods.

What languages do so-called "citizens of the world" actually speak?

>>212678999
Almost all of them speak French. And they're integrating relatively well, considering the waves of migration France is experiencing. You can be German in Germany for several generations, and then you won't be 100% German because you have a Slavic admixture or were born in the wrong region of Germany or are of the wrong religion etc. Because Germans have an imperialist mindset, where there's the core and then various shades of Germanness.
>>212680489
Ok, then Irish-Americans or Italian-Americans. But Blacks in the US are not "african", they are they own thing with their own Black American culture, customs, stereotypes, using English etc.

>>212681211
>citizens of the world
What's that?

>>212681211
C++

>>212681293
It doesn't matter if they are learning french or not, they will recreate the culture they have at home.

>>212681211
they laugh

I'm enjoying the alg jihadist

>>212681211
English, French, Spanish. French before the Spanish because "citizens of the world" tend to be pretentious and want to work in humanitarian NGOs. Alternatively German because Germans usually call themself "European" or "just a human being"
>>212681428
Well, it will be at best a caricature of this culture. Perhaps some traces of influence will remain, but sooner or later they will blend into society. The stronger culture wins.

>>212681503
are we finally going to have /lang/ civil war over the different in methods?

CI gave me ED, ALG fixed it

>>212681519
>tfw Germans forgot to colonize
German is forever region-locked. It's a shame because it's the most OP language in Europe after English.

>>212681293
They're not gonna integrate, like >>212681428 said.
If you look at all those list of the most dangerous cities in Europe, it's like half of them are french, Brussels, then the UK and Italy. Not a single German speaking city.

>>212681856
Tanzania

>>212681554
>CI gave me ED, ALG fixed it
It gave you erectile dysfunction?

>>212681211
>citizens of the world

>wake up
>immediately do anki
>feel amazing and have momentum for the rest of the day

>>212681211
hebrew

>>212672090
you wouldn't know, desu. only natives can say how good someone is.

>read the Refold site
it has literally every pitfall that ALG warns about. anybody who recommends Refold must be ostracized.

>>212683298
and they want you to pay, so anybody recommending Refold is literally posting an ad. ALG must be the only

>>212683716
I know at least for Japanese, they literally tell you just to use the Kaishi 1.5k deck instead of the Refold deck lol, and afaik you don't pay for anything else. Not sure about other languages.

>>212682141
>1884
So late to the party that the house foreclosed.

>>212683884
Don't look up Italian "colonial" history

>>212684267
>colonial
Fake anti white word

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Nmzz6cTG9I

hier ist etwas erstklassiger deutscher Inhalt zum effektiven Eintauchen, auf den ich gestoßen bin.

Nebenbei bemerkt finde ich es lustig dass Squidward in der deutschen Synchronisierung Thaddäus heißt. Vielleicht liegt das an einer Art Wortspiel was mir einfach entgeht wie Squidward ein zusammengesetztes Wort aus Squid plus Edward ist. Aber meinem Ohr nach klingt Thaddäus eher random. Aber wie gesagt vielleicht übersehe ich etwas Offensichtliches.

>wake up
>immediately listen to a podcast in my TL
>feel amazing and have momentum for the rest of the day knowing that I am interacting with and acquiring my TL the best way

>wake up
>oh shit I'm on the couch
>take a sip of last night's vodka
>masturbate
>go to bed
>wake up again
>eat lunch
>masturbate
>shitpost on /lang/
>crack open a beer
>play some vidya
>forgot to set it to German, fuck
>what time is it?

>put on Chinese podcast
>can't understand shit
>feel overwhelmed
>a sense of dread creeps behind
>i weep

>>212681343
some newspeak thing

>>212685090
>twice a day

>>212685747
high test type shi

>>212685293
Back when i was high beginner/low intermediate whenever i struggled to understand speech or text I would start sweating, my blood pressure would rise sharply and my whole body would tingle
Worst feeling in language learning

>>212685293
Should have picked nihongo

>>212685090
>>212685747
Twice a day is rookie numbers

>>212685901
Japanese is useless though

>>212686297
it's the only nonwhite language worth learning wholesale. like you could live in Japan and it'd be pretty comfortable. No white guy has any business living in a thirdie cunt.

>>212686460
It's gonna get jeeted soon

>>212686507
no jews in japan to do that so no

>>212684978
Ich hab immer gedacht, Thaddäus soll einfach snobbisch und leicht schwul klingen.

Spongebob Schwammkopf hat bei uns ganz am Anfang im Nachtprogramm bei RTL im Fernsehen gespielt. Ähnlihc wie Ren & Stimpy oder South Park dachte mach, es wäre keine Kinderserie und gehört deswegen nicht ins Kinderprogramm.

Außerdem ging man irgendwie davon aus, dass sich die Serie an schwule Männer richtet.

>>212685631
The German word "Weltenbürger" which means basically the same is a pretty old word. It was describing people who feel at home in many parts of the world, because they're open-minded. Peter Ustinov was often called a Weltenbürger.

>>212687453
do you know what they call a weltenburger with cheese in france?

>>212687529
Enlighten me

>>212687453
>it was describing people who feel at home in many parts of the world, because they're open-minded. Peter Ustinov was often called a Weltenbürger.
Well well well

>>212684986
>wake up, wish i was dead
>have a productive, miserable, exhausting day
>wish i was dead, go to sleep
Repeat

>>212689226
men aren't meant to be happy

>>212689494
I'd be happy if I were fluent in my TL

>>212689519
Are you learning via ALG?

>>212689519
You just think that

ALG posters are just shitposters/trolls btw

>>212689831
ALG is literally just the purest form of the CI research. Only CI works. Nothing else works and in fact is detrimental.

>>212670398
話せるよ。へたけど…

>>212689226
We told not to learn Russian

>>212689519
No, I don't want to sadden you but that's just a Barmecide feast, an illusion. Only way is really satisfying. Your goal is, in fact, beyond your reach now, but not as you think;for you can become fluent in a languge it just won't happen overnight. You can't just retire one day non-fluent and wake up fluent the next day. Learning is a process, and only by enjoying a process you can really be fullfilled. Because I suspect you probably have this image of all-words-knowing fluency and you will never reach it as there are so many words one human wight just can't wrap its mind round this.
Learn to enjoy the process

>>212690866
yeah people need to let go of this mind virus that they're going to Learn™ a skill and be done. you never finish. if you choose a foreign language to learn, you're going to spend the rest of your life learning it. pick what you want and accept that it's going to take a long time until you're comfortable using it, and you'll never really feel like a native, or that you're Done™. You're never done. Get over it and start learning what you want.

is dabbling in Mandarin possible?

>>212690866
> Because I suspect you probably have this image of all-words-knowing fluency
Wut?? I just want to speak my TL as good as Matt vs Japan speaks Japanese. Not that complicated bro.

>>212691586
dabbling is code for wasting time pretending to do work

should i learn polish

What's the ALG amd the CI?

>>212693311
what?

>>212693174
No

>>212693653
why not

INPUT

>>212693939
dumb whores

>>212693939
Ok I will now learn Russian

>>212693980
learn polish with me.

>>212694003
I have no use for it and it doesn't really interest me desu

>>212694041
russian is yellow.

>>212693311
ALG - Automatic Language Growth: learning only by listening for thousands of hours before talking or reading or using a dictionary. Read "From the Outside In" to learn more.
CI - Comprehensible input

>>212694061
I like yellow girls

>>212694041
What use do you have for russian?

>>212693980
>>212693939
>>212693968
I just output by mistake

>>212694151
There are a lot of Russians/Ukrainians in my city

>>212694267
all yellow

>>212694267
Tell them to speak english. Learning the language of immigrants is cucked. There are Ukrainians in my city, too, but you won't see me learning russian or ukrainian anytime soon.

>>212694408
so much this

>>212694408
I don't learn languages for others. Having them around makes it easier to practice

reminder, if you're not learning one of these you're either:
>a) a basic bitch
>b) a communist animal
>c) brown
>d) yellow
>e) vaginal
>f) all of above

>>212694423
t. Gennaro Saraceni

>>212687453
Squidward ist definitiv schwul-kodiert.

>>212694122
I'm still skeptical. What advantage does this have over speaking or quickly finding the answer to how to say something or over shadowing? I agree that output without input is a bad idea, but those thousands of hours seem like a waste of time to me.
>>212693816
Not so useful, case system, difficult orthography and pronunciation for non Slavs

>>212694523
dont @ me, you're learning the brownest language there is

>>212694562
good

>>212694565
I'm not learning spanish retard

>>212694644
i know, you're learning german

>>212694510
How would that work? Do you awkwardly approach someone and start a small talk in russian? Do you ask them if they would be willing to be your language tutor? Or what?

>>212694681
Wrong

>>212694562
The theory is that all other forms of studying are damaging: reading and speaking will introduce bad habits in your pronunciation and syntax, studying grammar will teach you the wrong rules and looking up words will encourage a translation mindset.
None of this is proven but almost nothing is proven definitively in 2L acquisition except that you need tons of comprehensible input.
Besides this there are various schools of thought all fighting for their own pet method.

Früher hab ich bereut dass ich mich für Französisch anstatt Italienisch entschieden habe, aber angesichts des Verhaltens der zwei hier immer streitenden Italiener bin ich eher froh, dass ich mir Französisch ausgesucht habe. Sie kommen mir richtig unerträglich vor. Vielleicht ist das nur eine verzerrte Auswahl, denn meinem vorherigen Endruck nach waren Italiener eher chillig. Dolce Vita usw usf.

>>212694562
In Marvin Brown's book, From the Outside In, he says manual practice causes permanent damage, particularly if it's over 100 hours of manual practice.
He himself had practiced Thai in the army using flash cards and grammar drills, before he spent decades in Thailand, but he says that even though his Thai sounds immaculate, he always has to think a lot before he can say his sentences.
>When they said ‘perfect speaking’, they meant ‘ perfect delivery’; and sure enough that’s what I had been able to do. But the neural machinery used for perfect delivery was built at the expense of that used for perfect production. The need for monitoring my delivery had prevented the machinery for perfect production from building. Judged from the inside, my speaking of Thai hadn’t even been going along the same track as my speaking of English. I was doing something completely different: I was speaking partly through my monitor.
For someone who has done ALG properly, the sentences flow naturally out of their head and right off their tongue.
And he says that his attempts at teaching Thai students with pronunciation drills has no effect on speaking.
>Now the sentence ‘It’s in the icebox’ was purposely packed full of difficult sounds for a Thai—and the drill was more of a pronunciation drill than a grammar drill. You will rarely find a Thai who can pronounce this sentence perfectly. And yet the student’s pronunciation was flawless. How satisfying. But then the student asked: “Teacher. Wat mean eye bock?” (Of course he was trying to say “What does ‘icebox’ mean?”) Perfect pronunciation while drilling had had no effect on speaking.
Of course, maybe it's just that you need shadowing and lots of input, and this student hadn't had nearly enough input.

What's the chinese equivalent of 4chan/reddit ? If I'm gonna waste time it better be in my TL

>>212694800
No idea but they do sometimes talk to me in Russian in stores
Anyway I'm too busy with Spanish right now and might not even start a new lang at all

>>212694562
the advantage is that it's how we acquire a language. the disadvantage is that if you aren't doing it, you probably already fucked up and will never recover.

>>212696013
Ok this guy is just shitposting

>https://www.instagram.com/p/DFTL80-NbTl/
>he's not inputing to french muslim brain rot

ngmi

>>212696160
I'm not. According to ALG you literally cannot recover if you chose another method. You already acquired so many bad habits that it's just over for you.

I've already done it with Spanish. Se acabó
>>212695026
So it's like Dreaming Spanish method
>>212696013
Even with easy languages like Spanish? There's like one sound (two including th sound) we don't have in Polish. Thinking quick in a foreign language would be a cool skill to have

>>212696551
You will develop ability to think in another language from simply consuming enough comprehensible input. Doing that without any prior knowledge of the language will simply slow you down by thousands of hours without any notable gain beyond maybe better accent which is irrelevant anyways.

>>212696833
>There's like one sound (two including th sound) we don't have in Polish.
there's a shitton of them actually

>there's a ɾ-r distinction
>Spanish s is apical and sounds almost like sh
>b d g are realized as approximants most of the time
>y is pronounced as palatal fricative, a very audibly different sound from Polish /j/
>mid vowels are more closed than in Polish

ok, they are redundant for making yourself understood, but your accent will sound very off without mastering them.

>>212696959
You're just dumb and wrong.

>>212696833
>So it's like Dreaming Spanish method
The Dreaming Spanish method is just ALG rebranded. It's what it was based on.

>>212697395
enjoy your thousand of hours of boring low level input then

>>212696959
There is no proof that this is true.

>>212697700
I did that

I had French in school, with speaking, exercises, translating, and combining words. I'll never speak French well. C'est fini

>>212697783
A sample size of 1 without a control group proves nothing because individual variation in language learning (like in any other intellectual activity) is enormous.
All studies comparing natural learning to classrooms were made in the 80s and compared university students with low wage migrant labour, so they are basically inconclusive.

>>212697856
I mean Marvin Brown himself says he can speak perfectly, just that his speech goes through his monitor, and that's qfter years of traditional instruction and decades of immersion. His claim is that only ALG will get you to the level of native speaker, where French sentences flow effortlessly from your subconscious mind. You could still get good enough to fool natives in careful speech, in theory.

>>212697449
there's no difference between ALG and the refold shit other than the fact that you won't have bad habits with ALG. it's really that simple. it doesn't take longer. it's in fact the only real way to acquire a language and use it effortlessly like a native does.

>>212663334
Yes but with mandarin you get access to 30 trillion worth of GDP.

我是一个军人中文学生。我不喜欢学习中文可是我得学习中文

ALG chads won

>>212663679
Epstein non aveva fatto niente di male.

>>212698067
>there's no difference between ALG and the refold shit other than the fact that you won't have bad habits with ALG
And also that you don't have to put up with hundreds of hours of low-level speech, which is excruciatingly boring
Lots of Refolders just switch to 100% comprehensible input after using Anki for the first 1-2 thousand words.
Other people do sentence mining and add them to their ever growing Anki decks. Seems like hard work so I'm not going to do that.

>>212698198
ha

>>212697951
>Marvin Brown himself says
Marvin Brown isn't god

Isn't Refold just AJATT with a price tag attached?

>>212698202
but you don't speak like a native while the ALG chads do

What about Natural Method?
>>212697951
Pointless. I don't want to fool natives, I want to hit with cleaver responses

>>212698202
refold
>put in way more effort for a worse result

ALG
>do literally nothing
>acquire native ability

why would anybody want to dream in some brown thirdie language like spanish

>>212698427
It actually seems like less effort to use flash cards to learn vocabulary at first instead of hundreds of hours of baby talk

>>212698753
you aren't learning anything. you're acquiring bad habits

>>212698753
flash cards are the most soulless and boring activity in existence

>>212698773
The point is it lets you get to watching anime and listening to podcasts faster, and then after that you can listen to those thousands of hours of CI

>>212698838
it doesn't. it makes you use the language like an L2 learner: slowly and inefficiently. learn the right way or stfu

>>212698838
>it lets you get to watching anime and listening to podcasts
- your average refold learner

>>212699055
Yep, it's simply more enjoyable

algjeets ruined lang

Isn't alg just the nature method?

Any RU speakers?
"Зa yкpeплeниe бoeвoгo coдpyжecтвa" - would you translate this to the literal "Strengthening of Military/Combat Cooperation" or "Strengthening of Brotherhood-in-Arms", colloquially?
I've seen both but looking for direct input.

I just learned that americans drop the T altogether in words like "internet" and say "innernet" instead and I find that hilarious

>>212699497
it's unreleased consonants actually

>>212699497
It’s more that T generally shifts to a D sound when not starting or ending a word, and then in extreme cases, speaking quickly, certain words like Internet make it so borderline inaudible that it sounds most like *innernet*. But if you think of it as just “Americans say Innernet” it will probably sound forced/unnatural.

Testing this right now on a friend we basically say some variation of “innernet” or “internet” depending pretty much on speed of speech.

So think of it more like: T softens to D, which softens so much that it’s practically inaudible in some specific cases.

>>212699598
Yeah whatever this guido said.

My plans are to improve my English to C1/C2 level, German or another Germanic language (most likely a Scandinavian one), French or another Romance language (I've started Spanish, but I'm not sure about it), and Japanese. I want to do this within 10 years.
Let's summarize methods
1. We have the CI / ALG method, where you listen from babtalk to more advanced stuff, and after 1,000 hours I can start reading and speaking.
2. We have the Nature / Natural Method, which works similarly, building understanding from the very basic things, but there you can read (and speak I think) from the beginning.
3. We also have AJATT, which I don't know how it works, but it sounds like something I don't have time for.
4. And we have refold method, which involves combining various things: flashcards, input, IPA, or other pronunciation exercises.

>want to learn spanish because with knowing italian already it would take a year of moderate effort to achieve fluency
>would give me immediate access to a culture at my doorstep and an entire continent
>immediate job prospects
>Chinese's exoticism and unattainableness continues to tempt me
>go another day without studying either
>wonder how the fuck I managed to learn one language in the first place

>>212699765
>Refold
Almost, but they don't recommend speaking until a long time in. And you're also allowed to read from the beginning.
And AJATT is basically the same as Japanese Refold.

>>212699765
you basically listed them in a ranking. ALG is the only good method.

How did John Cena learn Chinese?

>>212699712
Thanks for the explanation. The flap T is quite tricky for us latin language speakers (spanish, portuguese, etc) because it treads between our D and R sounds. Sometimes it sounds like one, sometimes like the other and sometimes like an actual T depending on how quickly it's spoken.

I grew up thinking words like "party" were pronounced like "par-tee" and "already" was pronounced "alrea-dee" and now I just pronounce the respective T and D in these words like I do an R in my native language so it's as if I was saying "pah-ri" and "alrea-ri"

I've been using flashcards for like 5 months for Chinese and I can finally start reading Chinese on rednote (chinese app).
Have I wasted my time and should have done ALG instead? Just listen to random chinese youtube videos while im working/driving/gaming/gym?
I tried listening to Chinese beginner CI but literally nothing registered and I felt like I was losing my mind listening to it.
But maybe it doesn't matter and I'm damaged goods since I made a conscious effort to learn tones/words/grammar instead of doing it like a baby would.

>>212700987
YOU KNEW YOU WERE DAMAGED GOODS AND YOU NEVER FUCKING TOLD ME??!!

>>212700987
Regardless of your method, or what you think of the claims of permanent ramage, you should be listening to a lot of Chinese. If beginner CI is incomprensible, you haven't listend enough.

Isn't alg just duolingo?

>>212701570
Duo is the opposite of it

>>212669389
>What's the best way to utilise Anki for Italian? Is there a specific deck
Making your own deck is the only way to utilise it. All premade decks are ass.

>>212701701
alg is just duo with extra steps

Wtf is alg?

>>212702048
duolingo plus basically. Duolingo normal leads to permeant brain damage though so watch out.

>>212698746
Good question. I sometimes wonder about that, too. For whatever reason, it's probably the most popular language here.

>>212702048
new version of duolingo plus, but its still in beta atm and is not released yet
some anons on here are rumored to have early access
it might roll out in september ive heard

>>212701831
ALG (Automatic Language Growth) is a valid technique that does kinda work, but has been co-opted by cult mentality googoo gaga lazy fuck turbo retards and grifters.

>>212670082
Yes. But why so little Spanish in it? Is it for A1 learners only?

>>212700987
>Have I wasted my time and should have done ALG instead
Yes.

Are there any credible people who have tried these different methods? There's this Lingua Latina Guy who's doing the Nature Method for Latin and Italian. There are people who learned the language through input, but was it only input for the first 1000 hours? I plan to dedicate at least an hour a day until the end of the year. With a good wind, I could reach 350 hours. I need a method and structure. I'm considering French, German, or maybeee Japanese.
I am skeptical about the ALG method because I learned or made the biggest progress in English thanks to CI, but while I can understand at an academic level or very close to it, I cannot speak at that level and I sound like a retard

I actually enjoy studying grammar

Translate this, sinophiles
https://files.catbox.moe/6j8d7p.mp4

>>212704547
there are people who have done ALG who say it did in fact work

that dreamingspanish program talks about ALG

there's a reddit group that probably has some people talk about their experiences

https://www.reddit.com/r/ALGhub/

and random reviews of the method

https://www.reddit.com/r/ALGhub/comments/1fnbbam/spanish_level_9_update_1750_hours/

https://www.reddit.com/r/ALGhub/comments/1fuk83k/mandarin_chinese_level_2_update_100_hours/

https://www.reddit.com/r/languagelearning/comments/1er8jz5/1250_hours_of_comprehensible_input_for_th/

https://www.reddit.com/r/languagelearning/comments/143izfj/experiment_18_months_of_comprehensible_input/

https://www.reddit.com/r/languagelearning/comments/1dveqe4/update_over_5000_hours_of_comprehensible_input/

>>212704788
thread got really quiet once this dropped...

>>212694562
ALG is basically just taking something correct (comprehensible input is the base essential variable for 2L acquisition) and turns it into something retarded and dogmatic (if you do literally anything other than input you are actively damaging your abilities forever).

You can see this with almost any schools of thought, you’ll get solid hypotheses taken way too far by people who really want to be the only correct person in the room with no evidence.

This is especially common in dieting. Balanced diet with enough protein for fitness goals wins. But if you express this as:

>don’t eat too much fat

You get idiots saying fat is evil and should be avoided at all costs (nuking their hormones). Same goes for other nutrients. So IMO in language a “balanced/flexible diet” works best since all language skills feed into each other, but the most essential piece is some sort of input being present even if it’s just audio for a textbook.

>>212705950
CI is the only thing proven to be important to acquiring a language, so why add anything else? ALG shows that not only is CI the most important thing, but that everything else is detrimental.

>>212699765
Refold is just proprietary paywalled guided AJATT, which itself is a community centered around what essentially is just non-retarded ALG.

>>212704687
she's saying they are all big and massive, you should feel ashmed

>>212700314
The soft t/d sound really is not the Romance “tapping” R. There’s a reason we struggle to tap or roll Rs so much.

>>212705950
ALG is literally just the final stage of the L2 question.

>fucks sake, traditional stuff isn't working!!!
>*after a lot of research* understanding messages is what works, we'll call it comprehensible input
>Based! ok, now what else works?
>*after a lot of research* hmmm nothing else seems to help...
>hmm ok that's weird...how about this: does anything actually make you worse?
>*after a lot of research* it turns out basically doing anything other than CI is actually harmful

It's not even that contentious or unbelievable. It's what it is. It makes a lot of sense. It turns out we do in fact learn like babies learn, but as adults we try to add in all of this extra shit that hinders us and so it makes it seem as there's a critical period™. It turns out there isn't one. Little kids just don't do anything to fuck up the acquisition like adults seem to do compulsively and are even encouraged to do via teachers and books. ALG solves all of it.

>>212704547
If you spend 2000 hours practicing comprehending spoken Spanish you will be good at comprehending spoken Spanish but literally nothing else.

>>212706499
retarded post. little kids will spontaneously begin to speak after having 1000+ hours of CI.

>>212701773
What would make my deck any better? What content should I draw from to make it? Sentences from Italian grammar books?

>>212706207
>CI is the only thing proven to be important to acquiring a language, so why add anything else?
Agreed.

>ALG shows that not only is CI the most important thing, but that everything else is detrimental.
Disagree. Even the 5k hour ALG Brazilian said output practice is necessary and grammar for full fluency. What I will say is that people shouldn’t sacrifice substantial CI time to study instead. Studying should still be fairly minimalist, because it’s just a tool to enhance and speed up comprehension.

The only way we could really prove these things to be harmful is if we followed 2 groups for 1500 hours of input, but one group had an additional 150 hours of classroom time while the other literally did nothing but dreaming Spanish and see where their overall abilities rank. Then it would have to be shown that the group with the additional class time is worse.

Beyond that, the dialogues in a textbook ARE INPUT, just very focused study of a relatively constricted body of input, which is why textbooks are shit for vocabulary/breadth but great for depth, especially old audiovisual/listen-and-repeat books or nature method-style readers.

So overall, ALG is “100% input, 0% anything else” that IMO is a dogma born out of trauma from “100% textbook, 0% input” learning, when IMO the ideal is something like “85-95% input, 5-15% textbook.”

>>212706522
Well in my experience I was in preschool getting explicit output and grammar education at the age of 2 so idk about that.

>>212706713
yeah but traditional learning doesn't work and that's been shown over and over again. we all had that shit.

>>212706693
if you actually read the details of ALG, you wouldn't be writing any of that.

>Even the 5k hour ALG Brazilian
it's a brazilian, who cares what they say.

>The only way we could really prove these things to be harmful is if we followed 2 groups for 1500 hours of input, but one group had an additional 150 hours of classroom time while the other literally did nothing but dreaming Spanish and see where their overall abilities rank. Then it would have to be shown that the group with the additional class time is worse.
Brown literally did all of that and that was the result.

>Beyond that, the dialogues in a textbook ARE INPUT, just very focused study of a relatively constricted body of input, which is why textbooks are shit for vocabulary/breadth but great for depth, especially old audiovisual/listen-and-repeat books or nature method-style readers.
you shouldn't read early because you're learning to analyze words instead of understand sentences like a native. Brown talks about that.

>So overall, ALG is “100% input, 0% anything else” that IMO is a dogma born out of trauma from “100% textbook, 0% input” learning, when IMO the ideal is something like “85-95% input, 5-15% textbook.”
you just haven't looked into it enough and think it's just claims with no reasoning behind it.

>>212706823
>you shouldn't read early because you're learning to analyze words instead of understand sentences like a native. Brown talks about that.
That, and you're subvocalizing mentally, which is almost as bad as refusing words out of

>>212707074
>refusing words out of
Repeating words out loud.
Sorry, posting on a broken screened phone

>>212706766
Define traditional learning. The way ALG people put it implies reading is traditional learning, and there is a lot of English vocabulary you simply will not encounter enough to know if you don’t read, which is how you get living, breathing, white american adults who don’t know the word “versatile.”

>>212707100
>Define traditional learning
are you serious? did you have a foreign language class in high school? textbook assignments. random powerpoint presentations about baguettes or w/e. repeat-after-me lessons. mostly in english. all of that bullshit.

the reading comes later. ALG is just saying that doing it early is bad for various reasons.

>>212707100
You're just not supposed to read until like 1-2k hours, like a 5 year old. Then you can read and use the dictionary.
You can still listen to audiobooks.

>>212706823
Literally your only argument is
>brown said otherwise
And
>read more brown
No. I don’t think I will. Also Brown’s individual experience is not what I described.

>you shouldn't read early because you're learning to analyze words instead of understand sentences like a native
That’s pants-on-head retarded. I guess all the people who learned to read Latin smoothly via LLPSI don’t exist [including myself] (or any nature method book). Even if I do just CI I will still be like “oh this word means table and that word is something like ‘is’ so they’re saying ‘this is a table.’” It’s practically unavoidable at early stages.

Actually, speaking of nature method and reading, I actually began to forget words of the Lord’s Prayer in English at one point and had to think it in Latin to remind myself. So Nature Method gets a strong endorsement from me in terms of natural growth of a language. Typically I read Latin in Latin in my head even when using a parallel translation and only look at the parallel when I encounter unfamiliar syntax/vocab to figure it out.

Basically, you guys can learn a language just fine with ALG and I don’t have a problem with it, but don’t sperg out because some of us want to put on our big boy pants and use our adult brains to learn quicker.

>>212707202
>s all the people who learned to read Latin smoothly via LLPSI d
there are no native latin speakers. how the fuck would you even know?

and you're not learning quicker. You're just acquiring bad habits. You are literally slower than someone who learns via ALG.

>>212707164
>you’re not supposed to
Appealing to a dogma.

>>212707151
Yes I took French in high school, but traditional learning can vary and it seems like everything that isn’t literally just ALG is being lumped in with the worst stereotypical classroom teaching, using a textbook on your own to augment a primarily input-based approach is hardly traditional learning. Also, traditional learning would have worked just fine for me in high school if I had done even a little French input outside of class/homework, but I didn’t. High school classes focus on grammar because that’s what they’re good at teaching, sort of. If they encouraged students to do input as well then they would be much more successful.

>>212707202
>ALG stupid!!
>ok but did you actually read what ALG is
>no, i don't think i will
then stfu dumb faggot. people aren't going to hold your hand

>>212707261
literally everything you're writing is reasoned out here
https://bradonomics.com/brown-autobiography/

>>212707253
Misrepresenting my point. I can encounter Latin-based texts and read in them thinking in Latin. While there are no “native” speakers, there is a “correct” pronunciation I adhere to, and I input with that pronunciation primarily. I never said anything about being native, and no matter how many thousands of hours someone does with ALG it will always be an L2 so it’s besides my point, which is that reading was perfectly serviceable for learning a large amount of Latin quickly, and for training thinking in Latin. Ergo, a dogmatic view that someone is doing irreversible harm, or more harm than good, by reading until they’ve spent 2 years inputting is just ignorant.

But I expect this point will be misrepresented/missed and I’ll get more ALG dogma thrown back at me.

>>212707267
>you’re ignorant because the cacophany of ALG people online are incapable of explaining their fairly straightforward beliefs without resorting to appealing to authority and telling you to read a book
Argue for yourself you NPC.

We might as well be having a debate on morality and I just say “read the bible.” Or a debate on economic theory and someone says “read 5000 pages of communist praxis chud!” It betrays a lack of critical thinking to not be able to reason out points that you have internalized from your own study and relay them to others in a coherent manner. Instead you seethe because my personal method is slightly different and you have thrown yourself into a cult-like dogmatic viewpoint because it makes you feel special. Which is a really silly thing to do over language pedagogy.

If you can’t make coherent points and break down on 4chan like a child who no one has ever told “no” you’re just proving my point, which is that ALG is overly dogmatic even if it is overall perfectly serviceable as a way to learn languages (because input is necessary to learn).

>>212707286
I’ll check it out when I have the time but until then posting a link or citation simply is not a cogent point.

>>212707286
I just read chapter 8 because that’s where I expected to find stuff most related to what we’re going over and I think that he has a really brilliant mind and writing style. I didn’t disagree with anything in chapter 8 at least.

But the words of brilliant men who learned them from a lifetime of experience are often taken as gospel and misunderstood as the whole truth, when a brilliant man admits his own limitations first and foremost.

For the record, I think vocabulary lists, conjugation charts, and the like are horrible except as a reference. But I have a personal sweet spot for nature-method style reading, parallel text reading, and older listen-repeat texts as a solid *kernel* of drilled knowledge that makes up only a stimulant or framework to actually grow one’s neural tree as he puts it.

For an example of my method, my Chinese textbook has a parallel translation of the chinese, and a small set of bullet points, but overall the text is 85% just TL audio input that I can read along to. There is a separate volume that I use primarily that is literally just in Chinese Characters. Therefore, if I go over the same chapter 20 times, I look at the English translation while shadowing the audio literally only the first time and spend about 95% of my time in a lesson engaging exclusively with the written/spoken language. I test myself based only on comprehension of the raw dialogue audio with no reading. For every hour of this work that I do, I do like 4 hours of natural input.

>>212695061
I bet there's imageboards
there must have been BBSs early on
You can't just build and maintain infrastructure without having some kind of history
I think it's only been very recently that the "great firewall" has let up a bit, and even still not very much.

>>212700987
One important thing is to take in a few different resources, there's a balance but even people in some aeras of China have some difficulty understanding or reading from people in other areas, to my meager understanding anyhow.
It's a really huge place, but if you stick with the "northern Mandarin" that's probably your best bet for some kind of "standard" but then you have to put up with that disgusting erhua psychic damage

Still, hearing southern Chinese or something else will actually help solidify your understanding by showing you the boundaries.
It's like children's shows, why do you think so universally they do "funny voices"? It is effective to show the boundaries of language. (This funny voice emphasizes what's important about this syllable, by stretching it yet still being understood as this syllable.) If you get what I mean.

just finished coding the ultimate card template for my anki drill deck

On and off work on a dumb site that I might turn into a free app someday
The left is hanzi-writer animation to quick show the stroke order, and click to replay. On the list here is coloring the radicals, but hanzi-writer only does one radical by default so it would take more JS sorcery than I care to learn, probably
Middle is from strokeorder.com which lists the stroke order, right is "components" but this is a major fucking hassle due to weird unicode shit and things that almost look identical actually being different and basically a massive can of headache.
Hovering components highlights other characters currently displayed by filter, clicking a component will further filter to characters sharing it.
Also have Zhuyin, but not sure how/why I might utilize.
In the red bar is hanzi, pinyin (mark), pinyin (numeric), zhuyin, my own basic-bitch definition, and an HSK level from https://github.com/drkameleon/complete-hsk-vocabulary

A cool thing is there's a whole fetch script that I just feed a list of characters and wa la, so this could potentially be adapted to anyone else's uses.
Next is getting into compounds/words and phrases, but I sort of got burnt out and went on to a different project.
But one of the libraries I'm using can look up all words that utilize a character, so the idea would be filtering it down to my own list of words that I've come across as an early learner.

Thanks for reading my blog

If ALG is so great, why do passive bilinguals exist?

>>212695061
the only imageboard I can remember is Komica, which is Taiwanese. I remember people posting supposedly mainland imageboards here though.

>>212706486
what is your tl ?

>>212708354
all mainland imageboards died since chinese internet became real-name

>>212708246
They weren't spoken to enough as kids in that language to fully acquire it. They may end up as heritage speakers with bad accents/grammar as adults.
But I've also heard stories of adult passive bilinguals who go to the country of origin and become normal bilinguals.

>>212708436
Would still love a history of it

What languages besides Japanese have fun content?

>>212708890
English. That's it. No other languages have good content. Most countries have like 1 or 2 good tv shows and the rest are garbage. Most countries have like 3 good authors and that's it. It's really baffling when you think about it. There are so many countries and so many languages that have absolutely nothing worth engaging with.

>>212699765
These methods are for learning a language not for going to C1/C2 form B2. C1 and C2 are all about building vocabulary in certain domains: politics, literature and legal documents.
There's nothing special about these domains, it's just what CEFR examiners think as high prestige and useful in the workplace.

>>212662754 (OP)
I am going to be taking Greek in about a month, specifically an intensive Greek course at my college, focused mainly on classical Greek.
Any general tips on learning Greek? It will be my second language by the way. The wiki page for ancient Greek is quite barebones, will the modern Greek resources be useful at all?

>>212709288
/lit/ has a thread /clg/ dealing with classic languages. Maybe ask them? Good luck with the course. My college offered a summer intensive greek and I regret never taking it.

>>212708890
All humans are the same, basically, so you just have to get into it to find the good shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1_lB65bn9A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BQeBm7yLYY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWFx94e45ys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo1qGR5DDw8

>but I'm a weeb and I just want more weeb shit
did I call it correctly?

>>212709494
Thanks, I posted over there.
Honestly I'm just hoping I can stay up to date with the workload, but I have a strong motivation to read classical Greek texts so hopefully that will be enough to get myself into gear.

You all might be interested in a bit of 4chan history related to the /vg/ general /agdg/ (amateur gamedev)
I was studying Russian at the time, and ventured to dvach to shitpost/try and set up an embassy between our two glorious imageboards. They have a whole board devoted to gamedev, you know.
Well, you can't gaze into the abyss without it gazing back, and so this ru schizo poster came back, their big thing being "order road", but also at times giving history of their own memes and some personalities.
You can find something to play if you deep dive into the /agdg/ demo days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AxPtJutg34

dvach now is 2ch.hk but I think there's history also around their domain name that I can't remember
bye

>not feeling motivated to study my lang that I've gotten 3k+words studied in
How do I deal with this nigger called language burnout

If you can’t read the Bible you’re illiterate, if you can read the Bible you’re literate.

Simplified versions don’t count, but modern versions are fine. i.e. NRSV for English, modern but not dumbed-down. The grammar is intermediate at most for basically every language, and besides religious/period/geography specific words, it’s not overly literary. Picrel are the TL bibles I got when I started each respective language. I can generally read the left but not the right yet. Left is Latin, right is Chinese. I intend on getting monolinguals at some point. Technically I also have a Cymraeg bible but it really just belongs to someone close to me that I bought it for, who was actually studying Welsh and so can actually read it to some decent degree.

>你好了不起
what does 不起 mean here?
On grammar sites it suggests not being able to afford things monetarily.
In jp she says それは偉いわね

>>212710699
Idk in Chinese it’s literally “don’t rise” but I think it might also mean not being able to afford stuff

>>212710757
I found another definition and this fits.

>>212710849
Yeah it seems
你好 nihao hi
了不起 amazing/terrific
哦!o! (interjection, at end of sentence to express wish/warning)

>>212710962
I've only seen 起 in the form of "together"
一起, but it's maybe related to 对不起:"sorry"
but 了不起 seems strange to me as an HSK0 scrub, but sometimes things just develop how they develop

>>212710962
Indeed, I made a card so now I'll always remember it.
>>212711040
Maybe you should read the mango too.

any zhongboos here get into oracle script or have any fun etymology findings?

>>212711057
Nah, don't care for it. I'm old and I was impressed with Akira and haven't cared about anything I've seen since. I suppose I should open myself a bit if I'm to learn Chinese as it's used in 2025.

>>212711092
Read akira then?
https://www.dm5.com
I'm sure you can find it on here.

>>212711144
?
You mean this helps my Chinese studies or you're suggesting some site I can read Akira again on?

>>212711196
You could read Akira in chinese if you haven't and then create flashcards from all the new words. Unless you've already read it, I guess.

>>212711244
thanks asian ladies anon, I'll take that into consideration.

>>212711345
The reason I'm reading yotsubato is because it gets recommended often as an easy to read Japanese manga for jp learners, and so far it's appropriate for my level in chinese as I am probably no better than you.

>>212711470
I'm too stupid/drunk, so I could libgen some Chinese translation of Akira? Or what are you suggesting

>>212694939
>Vielleicht ist das nur eine verzerrte Auswahl, denn meinem vorherigen Endruck nach waren Italiener eher chillig.
Hier hast du recht. Ich kenne Italienern, die hier leben, und sie sind tolle. Es ist ein starke Kontrast zwischen meine Erfahrung hier und die von Realität.

post an image to use for the next bake thanks

>>212712392

>>212711040
起床 is literally rise + bed = get up from bed. It’s in the HSK level 2 vocab list.

Neu
>>212712624
>>212712624
>>212712624

>>212711470
Wait i thought it was just a page with a lot of oddly chinese Kanji and not literally Chinese lmao.

In that case it’s just “Hi, Amazing!” But I have basically zero context and my Chinese isn’t that good. But 了 effectively means “know/understand” and 不起 basically means “not capable” so you can see how “incomprehensible” + a positive connotation gets translated as “amazing.” Maybe it’s better to think of it like the old-fashioned proper usage of “awesome.”

>>212712680
Thanks, but you're kinda late as I already got my answer several posts ago, drunkard.
>>212711519
Yes. dm5 is a website where you can read chinese translations of japanese manga. You're clearly very drunk.

>>212713060
>You're clearly very drunk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqGArXHDOKY

Link me something specific.

>>212713274
Go to sleep.

>>212713358
No YOU fucking go to sleep

>>212708890
German, korean, mandarin

Irish/scottish gaelic if you like trad music