Thread 213599252

I will take my revenge by watching Gettysburg, a movie where thousands of young Americans get murdered in the most gruesome ways whilst sipping Michter's American Whiskey. That's right you cunts I'm drinking your Whiskey away and there is nothing you can do about it!

>>213599252 (OP)
Don't you just export luxury shit here anyways?

People already pay far more than its actually worth, what's another 39%?

If you were in the EU you’d be at 15%.
Just sayin. Not implyin anything.

>>213599252 (OP)
Kino film, I liked the maligned sequel as well but it obviously wasn't as good

>>213599252 (OP)
Should have joined the EU.

>>213599299
na, Pharma is 50% of value, but extempt because pharma, Goldbars is second, high end machines and tools is third.
>>213599309
Liechtenstein is 10%, think we'll do the final montage in Liechtenstein thingey again. Worked like a charm last time, you might remember.

>>213599252 (OP)
DasRite! You want more we'll give ya more!

>>213599252 (OP)
There's consequences for trying to be a special snowflake country rather than just joining the confederation surrounding you

>>213599340
the EU will definitely get more than 15% tariffs, this trade deal leyen agreed to will not hold. europe will not invest over a trillion in the usa and our farmer lobby will not allow american products on the european markets. cars, maybe. trump will soon flip out when he learns of the EU not fully fullfilling the deal as he imagines it and will slap higher tariffs on the EU. switzerland might actually have lower tariffs than the EU when this happens.

>>213599252 (OP)
The big question is, will these tariffs actually work?

>>213599532
Europeans must be able to drive a Ford F150 through Paris

>>213599252 (OP)
dont worry he changes the tarrifs every week

>>213599532
>trump will soon flip out when he learns of the EU not fully fullfilling the deal
you don't know that.

Nobody knows what Trump is going to do, not even himself.

>>213599561
there are ford f150s here. they are usually driven by rich boomers who want to flex.

There's a solid chance the courts end up striking down this tariff business anyways.

>>213599633
they have no authority to do that

>>213599549
We are the worlds largest exporter of refined gold bars. We do import all of the raw gold, for example we buy pretty much all the raw gold mined in the us, refine it to 99.999% pure, cast them in pretty bars and sell them back to the US as the largest customer of gold bars in the world. The selling back now costs 39%. But then it costs 0% to sell them back to Mexiko or Canada.
So yeah, I don't get it either, we make mostly stuff Americans don't make and really need or want, and we buy a large surplus of services, like software, movies, insurance, banking and what not, so we used to be even.

>>213599662
The courts or Trump? The courts absolutely have the authority to interpret the International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977 to determine whether or not Donald Trump's tariffs fall under the powers within it.

This is it. Americans you will pay dearly. You have force my hand but I will destroy you now.

>>213599549
What do you mean by work?

If by work you mean cause a manufacturing renaissance in the United States, that would be a very strong 'no'. But the thing is the goal isn't even to cause manufacturing growth, the goal is to revive midwestern towns, and that certainly is not happening because all manufacturing growth is going to happen in the south.

No one young wants to move to a dying rust belt town, and no company is going to open up a factory there.

>>213599773
if trump says its an emergency that its an emergency so they have no argument

>>213599880
okay, he can say that in the federal appeals court then

>>213599252 (OP)
What did Switzerland do to get that high? I know Trump tarrif'd India up willy nilly recently because he was salty about not being credited for the India-Pakistan cease-fire, but I don't think the Swiss did anything to him to deserve that number.

>>213600074
The US runs a massive trade deficit with us, because we have big pharma, luxury goods and high end machines needed for production. We produce little that could be easily made in the US, we run a huge services deficit with the US and buy almost as much services as we export goods, we have 0% tariffs on US Industrial goods and are by capita the biggest foreign investor in the US economy. Guess he just saw the deficit number and that was it.

>>213599252 (OP)
>China gets phones and electronics (the bulk of their exports to America) exempt from tariffs
>India and Switzerland face 40-50%
Will Americans ever try to make sense of this or have they just given up?

>>213600232
Apparently sending your finished goods to a financial scam the country in exchange for prayers and thoughts is a bad decision and Trump wants to be the one receiving papers printed somehwere else. Bizarre to see the Swiss getting jewed this time though

>>213600389
the randomness is what makes it extra spicy, if there as a logical reason you could do something. but this is completely irrational and the solution would likely be something like buying a new airplane for him or something.

>>213600389
Tim Cook called Donald directly and told him not to tariff the iphones when he first got elected and started tarriffing China.

>>213600389
Making sense of Trump's actions? That's a pointless exercise.

>>213600389
The protests seemed to have died down. I guess everyone realized this is a thing now and decided to just wait it out until Trump fucked off.

>>213600509
na, just wait till the inflation stats kick in and enjoy the Taco.

>>213600542
That too, I wonder how bad it'll get.

>>213600542
I hate Russia and I have heard stories much worse about the coming economic apocalypse there in 2022. It's 2025 now, do you see many Russians desperate to overthrow Putin, even on /int/?

>>213600542
that and how the appeals case is going
>>213600562
The real bite is that we'll have to keep interest rates high to counteract inflation.

>>213600576
Russia prepared for this. Also their economy wasn't that good anyways and their people have higher tolerance.

We acted like we were starving when eggs cost $4 a dozen and the price of McDonalds rose.

>>213600632
I am a Russian speaker and I heard 24/7 complaints about the quality of living in Russia since I was fucking alive, complaining is not an American trait. The point is what are you willing to do, because complaining about eggs does as little as writing on 4chan. The working Americans elected a billionaire who never worked a day in his life to represent their interests, what is foolish to think is that this 40 years long trend of degradation of your government and the quality of living for most of you will stop and things will get better once Trump is out of the picture (that is if he doesn't manage to turn his family into a political dynasty)

>>213600724
>(that is if he doesn't manage to turn his family into a political dynasty
LOL, his kids are all unlikeable, except maybe his daughter who has been absent this administration.
That's why MAGAts are all obsessed with his youngest son who makes absolutely no public statements.

Realistically, a true successor to Trump would have to be someone like Joe Rogan or Logan Paul deciding to the run for president. Elon Musk is ineligible.

>>213600828
Alex Jones is also a strong candidate

>>213600576
I wasn't talking about a revolution, I was talking about a Taco, in combination with mid term elections, you schizoid retard.

>>213601039
I certainly expected a Swiss to have intelligence above double digits. I am trying to explain to a dumb animal (You) how little impact voters have on politics and how easily they shrug off country's problems

>>213601000
I don't think you quite understand the appeal of Trump.

The true appeal of Trump isn't that he's a right wing radical populist like Alex Jones, its that's he is almost a blank slate for people to project their own views onto. Trump can both make himself seem like a reasonable moderate and a right wing populists. People will vote for Trump because they believe he is lying about the things they disagree with and they think he in reality agrees with them.

Ultimately, Trump cultivated his persona over a 30 year period before becoming president, and it is not easy to replicate. His pre-2015 persona is integral to his popularity.

>>213601110
please get back to >>>/pol/ and be stupid there.

>>213599746
The loopholes are intentional, it'll just be sold to Canada or Mexico and then resold to America under the lower tariffs. Same reason we leave India open as a market for China and Russia to do business through to get around tariffs - we don't want to cut them off, we just want to track everything they're doing and take advantage of them.

>I don't get it either
The US is transferring from Republic to Empire and this is the start of the Imperial Tithes, basically. If we're going to keep subsidizing everyone's trade and freedom on the back of our military and navy, we need everyone to pay instead of constantly pretending like they're nominal equals and can just throw a bitch fit when they don't get their way.

>>213601111
Sounds like a you-problem tbqh.

>>213601207
Like nobody will notice if costs of everything will go up within a short time span? Don't think so, as soon as it hurts, even Americans will understand that tariffs are nothing else than taxes on imports, paid for by Americans. As soon as that settles in Trump will do either a Taco or lose the congress. Till then we'll just have to make do with being creative in our export business..

>>213601310
Nobody cares if normal people notice, things have been getting more expensive and average wages have been comparitively sinking relative to inflation for decades, Anon. None of this matters because most people are just consumers and consumers can be easily ignored. Don't start pretending like this is the age where governments start giving a shit about labor and the working class. Its the same as it ever was.

>>213601310
the EU has sky high food prices because of tariffs and all sorts of regulations that keep foreign food out and have you ever seen anyone in europe protest these tariffs? or the car tariffs? people love tariffs!

>>213601408
governments give a shit about election results, and so far the unhappy consumer always voted away bad economy governments.
>It's the economy, stupid!

>>213601447
I remember protests last time they raised tariffs, also agricultural protection is something very different, you're comparing apples with peaches.

>>213601000
Fuentes would get it before Jones

>>213601461
Governments decide election results you dumb mongoloid. They don't have to give a shit about who you vote for when they inform you of who voted for what and the people have zero intention of actually counting the votes themselves or demanding any direct accountability.

>>213599252 (OP)
>young Americans get murdered in the most gruesome ways whilst sipping Michter's American Whiskey.
Based, but make sure you watch Gods and Generals

>>213601310
Trump's approval rating is already at -15, I think republicans have already accepted they're losing the house, even the gerrymandering war isn't going to save them. But yeah tariff induced inflation would indeed make it worse, possibly making Ohio and Alaska competitive. Also just the fact that interest rates haven't been cut- they would have been cut already if it wasn't for the tariffs.

>>213601461
>governments give a shit about election results
lol

>>213601447
EU farmers are able to use anti-GMO populism to keep popularity. Essentially, if they make people believe that EU produced food is more 'natural', people will accept trade barriers.

>>213601505
Can you please also fuck off to >>>/pol/ and be stupid there you shizoid retard? Tvm!

>>213601520
Just saying, so far the American electorate, albeit being batshit crazy and stupid as they come, so far has deleted every government that didn't make the economy go round. I expect the Trump administration to take the same way.

>>213601461
>the tariffs protect OUR economy, OUR farmers, OUR jobs
>without them cpmüanies would all go abroad, we would lost our jobs
>our farmers would go bankrupt and we would starve
good luck argueing against that narrative

>>213601623
Yes.

I'm also unconvinced that any non-Trump republican is able to win the coalition that won Trump this past election. They can get the MAGA base sure, but they won't be able to turn out the low information voters, Joe Rogan watchers. Many of these people didn't even bother voting for Republicans down ballot- in my state Democrats won most of the important statewide elections despite Trump winning the state because a bunch of people just voted for Trump and nobody else.

>>213601487
>agricultural protection is something very different
see? you are in favor of tariffs too even though they hurt you as a consumer.

>>213601768
Raping children is bad but it's ok when MY guy does this or algo

>>213601558
thats exactly how it works here. farmers larp as le traditional all natural wholesome rural, like in your childhood, neighbourhood farmer that protects you against le evil foreign megacorps that try to poison you with genetically modified food etc. etc. they even wear old traditional clothing to appeal even more to boomer voters.

>>213601715
This not about food agricultural protection, we export little to no food to the US, mostly chocolate. But thanks for trying.

>>213601730
I expect 2/3 election turnout if he bungles the economy, and every rich guy, especially every rich republican will stab him in the back.

>>213601867
doesn't it hurt being that stupid or don't you notice it any more?

>>213601920
In general, views on agriculture are shaped by what agriculture was like 100 years ago rather than what its like today.

In USA, you'll still see people claim that 'rural people feed urban people' when in reality only 1.5% of our population works in the industry and grain production is almost entirely mechanized with very advanced technology while vegetable/fruit production relies on seasonal migrant labor for harvesting.

>>213601998
>This not about food agricultural protection, we export little to no food to the US, mostly chocolate. But thanks for trying.
trumps issue is that you and us, we are not buying enough american products and we are not buying american farm products because our farmer lobbies have succesfully lobbyed for a vast array of regulations, requirements, subsidies, tarrifs and other trade barriers that are all intended on keeping foreign farm products out.

im not talking strictly about switzerland but he mentioned europe not taking what american farmers produce a lot. obviously the american farmer lobby is not happy with the european market being closed, especially now when china has shifted to buying brazilian farm produce rather than american.

>>213602210
Again, this is about Industrial tariffs, not agricultural ones.
>but muh farmers!
no, its about industry, tvm for trying.

>>213602174
the EU has 10 times as many farmers per hectare of farmland than the USA. the average farmer in austria has 60 pigs and 40 cows. on average 70% of a farmers income in austria are straight subsidies. these guys are basically glorified wellfare recipients and subsidies and market protection is the only reason they still exist. thats why they are lobbying ultra hard to keep their market as closed and protected as possible. they would never make it in a free market and would have to sell their farm or form bigger farms. they dont want to do that and want to continue receiving their farmer bux from the taxpayer. its a very unfair (to the taxpayer) and economically ineffficient way of farming but boomers absolutely love it and will suck farmer cock to no end. they even still get corona aid money here. its nuts.

>>213602364
>muh farmers
wrong thread, sorry

>>213602403
>“They don’t take our farm products, they take almost nothing and we take everything from them … tremendous amounts of food and farm products,”
>Trump complained to journalists in Florida earlier this month, decrying his country’s €18 billion deficit in agri-food trade with Europe.

>>213599252 (OP)
sad

>>213602613
I don't even read your posts, sorry.

>>213599572
This

What did she say?

>>213604950
"Where's Epstein's list?"

>>213599252 (OP)
The US imposed a 15 percent tariff on South Korea, the EU, and Japan. The country with the lowest tariff was the UK.

>>213600828
>Logan Paul
booo jake paul is better

>>213604950
She spoke in complete sentences.

>>213599252 (OP)
Pay up, ungrateful europoor.

>>213599252 (OP)
>American Whiskey

>>213606248
Indeed. And there is nothing they can do about it!

>>213605752
I've never actually bothered to learn the difference between the two

>>213606345
You should support the British WhiskY industry. We love you x

>>213600074
Wrong, he was mad cuz they were buying oil from Russia, retard

>>213606446
Trump just now decided he hates Russia and is immediately trying to punish countries who he sees as doing business with them

>>213606401
I do put the work in for Scotland, I even go cask strength!

>>213599252 (OP)
We should just partition Switzerland, pointless country

>>213606580
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>>213606580
You guys remember when Gaddafi advocated this after his son got arrested there?

This whole tariffs business is weird, aren't they basically just a tax on the importer according to economics?

>>213606630
Yes, tariff is just a synonym for import tax

>>213606662
Then what's the point? Trying to encourage domestic production? Seems kind of desperate

>>213604950
>implying its possible to deal with trump outside of saying you'll give him eleventy trillion dollars in investments then never doing it

>>213606615
Gaddafi was right about everything

>>213606699
The stated purpose is to grow manufacturing. Of course tariffs on metals aren't going to help that, and for American manufacturing to be competitive we would need globalized supply chains.

The real reason is that the midwest of our country was deindustrialized leading to collapse of cities and towns and this is a futile attempt to correct that. Of course, all manufacturing growth in USA is going to be in the south, as it currently is, not midwestern towns that have no young population.

Its not really about encouraging domestic consumption, its about bringing back cities like Youngstown.

>>213606615
Between Britain France and Germany (none for Italy)

>>213606884
I don't think anyone has ever succeeded at reviving dead industrial areas, if not, maybe, by radically changing the economic destination
Think about Northern England or the Ruhr, or even in a more limited way Turin in Italy, you can't do anything about those places, the development of capitalism left them behind

>>213606699
You can do 3 things with tariff
a) make money as a tax, optimally you keep the tariff low and encourage trade so people buy a lot and you make a lot of money
b) protect your own market, either because the farmers demand so or you want to protect jobs and industries that would go away otherwise and you want to stay, like steel or shipping for strategic reasons.
c) fight a trade war with guys that tax you.

but somehow none of this applies, 39% kills all trade, there is no money to be made. We don't have any significant agricultural exports to the US except some chocolate and expensive cheese, we don't compete in any industries with the Americans and are already the largest per capita investors in the US economy, and we had no beef with them, in fact we have 0% tariffs on American industrial goods, you can sell them on the free market here like everybody else. Also it is very unlikely that small and mid sized Swiss companies will now suddenly storm to the US and open factories and train workers how to build precision equipment and rolexes.

>>213606884
>Of course, all manufacturing growth in USA is going to be in the south, as it currently is
By the way, why is it of course going to happen in the South?

>>213607009
ahem *cough*

>>213607068
Some of managed to pivot to services (Pittsburgh in USA for example, Manchester might be another but I don't know enough about the UK to know for sure), but overall yes it is futile, some places just don't have an economic reason to exist anymore, but not everyone is willing to accept that.

>>213607148
We have this one village that speaks Austrian, Samnaun. We don't like them, but we keep them as a pet.

>>213607169
We still have a lot of manufacturing here, but we focus on pharma, high end tech stuff and some niches where high price is not that an issue.

>>213607110
Lower labor costs, right to work law preventing unionization, business friendly environment, young people are willing to move there, direct access to Gulf of Mexico/Atlantic, mild winters.

AC basically unlocked the regions potential.

>>213607097
Yeah it's very nonsensical
>>213607169
Yeah it sucks but you can't do anything about it
Once you accept that your society lives within a capitalist framework, you've got to accept its rules
>>213607207
At least Austrian German is somewhat understandable
I used to have an old Swiss lady as a colleague and whenever she spoke in dialect I couldn't understand shit despite being decent at German

>>213607332
Interesting, thanks for the insight burgerbro

>>213607322
Yeah high end manufacturing makes sense in high income countries but its not going to employ as many people as manufacturing in the 1950's.

A lot of people also don't quite get that globalism isn't the only reason for the decline of these towns, but also technological progress and in the case of USA competition from the south.

>>213599839
South Dakota was THE most moved to state during COVID.
Demoralizers are always so full of shit.

>>213607402
Its also worth noting that the south has a bunch of deindustrialized mill towns since textile manufacturing used to be big here but no one cares about that and the millworkers were viewed as an underclass in the 20th century.

Greenville-Spartanburg would be a good example of a metro area that was once big in textile manufacturing but today is more into BMW manufacturing (also services).

>>213599252 (OP)
Literary not my problem

>>213607353
Austrians speak German with a slight accent (Some weird mountain areas actually speak Baiuvarian, but those are few), we speak Swissgerman, has it's own words and grammar. It's like complaining you don't understand Dutch.

>>213607425
Yes, but it is well paid jobs and while the skill set for the manufacturing is higher nowadays, there is still plenty of low skill jobs down the line like truck driver, storage guy and so on, and we need those jobs to keep low skill people busy and well fed.

>>213607694
Just fall in line with Trump.

>>213607559
Okay, I don't really know what this has to do with this. South Dakota is an exception in the midwest, but it is also a really small state.

Are you claiming that tariffs revived South Dakota?

>>213607774
Here's the problem, we have no idea what trumps line is. There where no demands or arguments that did make any sense.
Do you think it helps if we buy a luxury yacht or a big fat private plane for him?

>>213601207
>If we're going to keep subsidizing everyone's trade and freedom on the back of our military and navy, we need everyone to pay instead of constantly pretending like they're nominal equals and can just throw a bitch fit when they don't get their way
In what way does this help though?

>>213607887
He hates this shithole for being woke, having femoid presidents and sucking up to the EU.

the rest of the world subsidizes america by putting up with your currency manipulation

>>213608306
We are one of the European countries with a conservative majority, our president is just a figurehead and changes every year and we do a lot to stay out of the EU you fucking retard.

>>213608429
Wow so conservative

>>213608494
you still one fucking retard, please go back.

>>213599252 (OP)
why

>>213608615
you tell me

>>213600389
>make sense of this
Impossible, there is no rhyme or reason to anything this administration tries to accomplish

>>213607097
You can do a fourth thing as well with tariffs : discourage the consumption of a particular good. Say luxury items, etc. Useful when going full gommunism or while at war.

>>213609765
I hadn't noticed Trump going gommy or disliking luxury watches.

>>213599252 (OP)
50% tariffs here

>>213610116
When I finish this bottle of Whiskey I'll buy some small batch Cachaça to prop up your economy.