Thread 213811059

Why do English don't know how to speak English ? To say King of the North, they say "King in the North"
I just heard this bullshit in Game of Thrones.

French pipo in medieval age should have stayed more longer because it's of, not in and you know it's true deep inside of you.
Inside of you btw, not inside in you

English language needs an academy to rule this language as in France with Académie Française

>>213811059 (OP)
We dont care

>>213811059 (OP)
>To say King of the North, they say "King in the North"
>I just heard this bullshit in Game of Thrones.
Either would be grammatical. The difference is a matter of emphasis
Using "in" seems to emphasize more that the king is from or resides in the north

>>213811059 (OP)
Anglos are a nation of shopkeepers and dont care about anythng that is not related to money

>>213811143
>grammatical
grammatically correct*

>>213811059 (OP)
>Why do English don't know how to speak English
va réviser ma langue un peu plus stp, tu écris comme un trisomique

>>213811143
>Either would be grammatical [in nature].
>>213811181
No idea why you're correcting a native speaker's English. What he said is perfectly correct.

>>213811059 (OP)
GoT has quirks like that to differentiate the fantasy world from the medieval reality that it's heavily based on. like how the church is called a Sept instead.

>>213811059 (OP)
Est-que les français suivent vraiment les règles de l’académie française? Je n’ai regardé pas the Game of Thrones mais peut-être ils veulent dire un roi dans le nord au lieu de roi du nord entier. Mais ouais, on a vraiment besoin d’une institution pour notre langue comme la tienne et l’académie royale espagnole

Désolé pour le français cassé. Je suis en train d’essayer de m’améliorer

>>213811398
Oui, les règles de l'académie française sont les règles officielles donc les règles imposées aux français.
C'est l'histoire de notre pays qui veut ça. François 1er a imposé le français au 16ème siècle comme langue officielle du royaume. Avant c'était l'anarchie au niveau des langues dans le royaume de France (Breton, Alsacien, dialectes etc)

>>213811263
No idea why a serv has the audacity to respond to his superiors in such a manner.

>>213811059 (OP)
you killed your local dialects so everyone now speaks like a parisian

French posters are usually pretty decent, so what happened with this OP? Shittiest troll thread I've ever seen.

GoT is a fictional story and world written by an American.

>>213811097
What a typically lugubrious and foolish German poster. Nobody says "should of", they say "should've". What they type is "should of". Couldn't even tell the difference between typing and speaking. What a boob.

>>213811603
Bon, il y a avait la société anglaise de la reine mais elle a fermée l’année dernière. Nous anglophones ne sont pas prescriptivists comme vous.

King in the North and King of the North mean two different things based on the power structure and the authority of said crown, thoughever.

>>213811697
Says the descendant of stable-cleaning horse-cock cleaners who were freed by the Serbian Army during WW1, lmao.

>>213811059 (OP)
Language is intuition anon, some "experts" try to make it a skill, some try to make it biological, some psychological, but at its baser levels, when you strip the style and the vocabulary, written language is all intuition

>>213814985
>King OF the Hittites

>>213812236
Well you're kind of correct but the OP is asking the right question about the wording of the titles, in the context of GOT; King in the North implies there are multiple Kings who reign in the North, while King of the North would be more suited to entitle the King of the Kingdom of North in Westeros, a more appropriate title would be the King of the Northmen.

>>213811097
I've seen plenty of horribly spelled French written by native speakers. MER IL ET FOU, anyone?

>>213811181
No, "grammatical" for "grammatically well-formed" is accepted terminology among linguists.

>>213811059 (OP)
>Why do English don't know how to speak English ?
Ironic, but I guess it's not like you claimed to speak English perfectly.
"King of the North" is like, he rules over the North. "King in the North" is literally more like that he's a king that happens to be in the north. He's literally just there. I guess he probably rules it, IDK. I'm someone who has never read or watched game of thrones.
>>213811181
No, "grammatical" is used in the same manner as "grammatically correct"

>>213811059 (OP)
How exactly do you propose to judge what is correct English other than how native English speakers actually speak? Do you have some experimental procedure for deriving information about the Platonic Form of the English language that's floating somewhere in the aether?

>>213811059 (OP)
King *in* XYZ place is actually a real thing, and it comes from Germany.
When Prussia first became a Kingdom, the king was only called "King in Prussia" because his status as Elector within the Holy Roman Empire meant that he couldn't go around saying he's a King within the confines of the HRE, which only had Bohemia as a full Kingdom by that point in time.

>>213811059 (OP)
Look up the difference between King of Prussia vs Prussian King, or King of the French vs King of France. Or Ukraine vs. the Ukraine.

Rather than assuming it’s incorrect grammar maybe you should focus and think about possible reasons the grammar is intentionally different from what you expect.

>>213811181
Brate ti si retardiran hahahhaha

>>213811059 (OP)
king of the north
>can live south or whatever he just is king of the north
king in the north
>obviously live in the north and is king of it
no wonder french such at war when they cant differentiate this simple meaning.

>>213817639
>such

Even your fucking automatic Norwegian keyboard from your phone did not want to write "suck" because he is perfectly aware that French are gods of war and it's non sense to say the opposite

>>213815959
Plus personne ne parle comme ça :noel:

>>213818099
Je l'ai vu.

>>213811059 (OP)
Both are correct.
It's rich coming from someone who can't write french properly anyway. Don't try to lecture people when you're a retard yourself.
>>213811190
Sadly true.

>>213818099
I used to chat with a Belgian (mainly each in our own language, because we both understood the other's language better than we could speak it) who averaged probably one or two spelling errors per message, especially on grammatical endings like -er vs. -ez vs. -é.

>>213811059 (OP)
>Why do English don't
four words in and you've already fucked up your sentence
try harder next time frogtard

>>213817992
>oh no an esl wrote something wrong in english
my point still stands and yet i got great respect for your military. the le surrender meme is not relevant today, i think.. yet you got to know the difference between king of and king in before you attack someone.

>>213811059 (OP)
Robb used the title King In the North instead of King of the North so he could simultaneously make a play at independence from the Lannister-controlled throne but also go "haha I just wanted the same privileges the Dornish have" if Renly or Stannis took King's Landing and then came after him

>>213811059 (OP)
Anglos don't even study grammar in their schools. Imagine having a fucking spelling competition because your language is so cucked and your population so culturally ignorant that they don't even know their language and rely on literal hearsay.
Grammar in Italy is an actual class that everyone has to take because Italian isn't a retarded language for bozos and drunk peasants.

>>213818440
The existence of spelling competitions has more to do with the fact that English spelling is very bad. The concept wouldn't make sense in Italian no matter how culturally ignorant Italians got, because Italian spelling mostly makes sense.

>>213818440
they used to teach latin and learnt grammar through latin, but then they got rid of it for communist reasons
they do actually teach english grammar in schools but it's very basic

>>213811059 (OP)
Who cares

>>213818440
How can the English sttudy that which not exists?

>>213822225
You simply study Frenchified English from middle age which imposed rules

>>213822308
Prior to the early 19th century, English grammar was modeled after Latin and Greek. Furthermore, using commas and semicolons was pretty much left to the writer’s discretion

>>213818440
Jeets and FOB Asians absolutely love spelling bees. I watched one spelling bee recently and one of the words was éclaircissement.

Je suppose que les français avaient raison. L’anglais n’existe pas. C’est du français mal prononcé

>>213811059 (OP)
Full scene King "" in "" the north in game of thrones for people who don't know

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgDg6IF7tmU

>>213818440
Seethe.

>>213818564
Yep pretty much. I only learned English grammar terminology through a more recently published latin textbook. We do learn grammar, but it is through trial and error, as well as through mass reading. The grammatical instruction doesn’t really use the jargon common of 100 years ago.

>>213824670
Anglo people need to learn English from French medieval age. It will be better for everyone.
Latin users = yeah
Non Europeans users = yeah
Only Germanic countries = non yeah

>>213811059 (OP)
This is kind of a subtle English language trick. By using "in" instead of "of" the title places itself opposite of the "King of the seven kingdoms"; it also acts to delineate "the North" as a distinct kingdom, not subjugated by the ruler of King's Landing. It probably sounds crazy to an ESL but the single change of preposition here makes the title implicitly confrontational, adding a layer of insult to the North's secession.

>>213813506
says the turkish femboy cockslave? đojleni is much more embarrasing than anything you can come up with.

>>213824793
Don't play the guy like English is alien for French users meanwhile it's literally French knights who invented modern English

>>213824882
French people have the same historical delusions as Indians

ITT: the famed /int/elligentia

>>213825597
It's spelled "intelligentsia".

>>213811059 (OP)
true. and they also don't know how to use the letter "y".
>they say
This must be spelled "thej sag" or "thej saig".

>>213811059 (OP)
Bullshit like this is annoying.
>you need to go TO THE hospital (USA)
>you need to go TO hospital (UK)
Why do they drop the article? Do they go to train station, or go to shop? Why drop the "the". So dumb

>>213818440
Italian isn't a real language at all, it's made up like Esperanto and Klingon.

>>213824882
>meanwhile it's literally French knights who invented modern English
The original French knights spoke French, but over generations their children gradually assimilated the language their nannies and servants spoke and by the 13th century it was considered strange and disgraceful for any nobility in England to not be able to speak English.

>>213826191
>we're going to space, we live on earth, story continues on page 26
>why drop the article? so dumb

>>213825931
>This must be spelled "thej sag" or "thej saig".
if you're trying to be clever and introduce some faux etymological spelling, it should be 'th(a)ei'

>>213826316
>>213826345
Weird that you holiday in Sweden. Interesting choice, nigel

>>213824774
French is just corrupted Franco-Gallo-Roman Latin anyways. So we should just study Latin.

>>213826468
odd projection, but okay

>>213811059 (OP)
Why natives use such gu gu ga ga terms like "florida man said", "london woman is here", "china man". For me it sounds like a kid who recently learnt the language tries to create new terms

>>213818440
>Anglos don't even study grammar in their schools.
Native speakers don't need to learn grammar.