Thread 214001594

How do Spaniards feel about their country and ethnicity being named after a tunisian rodent?
The Carthaginian colonists arrived in Iberia in 6th century BCE and they supposedly saw many rabbits in Spain but they mistook rabbits for the north African rock hyrax.
The Phoenician word for hyrax was ʾšpān or i-šaphan (𐤀𐤔𐤐𐤍), meaning “land of hyraxes.”
When the Romans conquered the peninsula in the 2nd century BCE, they borrowed the name from the Carthaginians, In Latin, it became Hispania.
All Spaniards are almost all nationalistic AF, they have a special an autistic zeal and reverence to the name of their country, to know it was named after a rodent who lives in Tunisia surely must cause some mental anguish.

It just sounds cool, all that matters

>>214001594 (OP)
This is our friend the hyrax, you surely know him from the "awawawa!" Meme.
https://youtu.be/g4ylwckvByk?si=FD_V226gcULlwjO1

Spain should drop the BVLL and adopt the hyrax as their national animal.

>>214001594 (OP)
I don't think they care. You know that developed people don't really care about these kinds of things?

But to be fair, you could melt a thirdie's brain with this kind of information

>given up on approximating his people to Italy after they thrashed him
>now trying to latch on to spaniards
Your inferiority complex is beyond hilarious

>>214001652
I told you, Spaniards are nationalistic to an autistic degree and think too highly of themselves, I'm guessing the truth might offend them.

>>214001677
Theres a fair amount of nafris who pass as italian but this is not my battle and i dont know why i bother commenting

>>214001677
Your reading comprehension skills is zero, take night lessons in English.

>>214001710
No they're not. They're probably the most leftist country in Europe currently.

Why do you care exactly? You are brown and live in poverty.

>>214001723
He's ashamed of being Nafri and basically wants to psyop people into thinking Tunisians are dollar-store Italians

>>214001723
Don't Listen to that tard, I just wanna see what Spaniards will react to knowing this obscure factoid, nothing more nothing less.
Spaniards hate nafris, to know they get their name from an ugly nafri rodent will cause them mental anguish, mental anguish leads to a funny reaction, funny reactions lead to many Los. Only a retard who uses 10% of his chromosomes can interpret this thread as an attempt to latch on Spaniards.

>>214001784
Tunisians do have some history with italy i guess

>>214001746
The lols, you dumb cow.

>>214001594 (OP)
>All Spaniards are almost all nationalistic AF
Are these nationalistic spaniards in the room with us right now?

>>214001823
>this thread
The majority of your threads are about Italy, Spain and Britain and almost invariably involve an injection of nafri 'history' in their countries. You are as transparent as they come.

>>214001833
Don't Fucking indulge him or his tardness will rub off onto you.

>>214001594 (OP)
>How do Spaniards feel about their country and ethnicity being named after a tunisian rodent?
Jesus loves me and the power of god burns all muslims in hell, permanently and forever. Hell is very hot, repent now sinner. I have Roman blood in my veins, and Roman semen in my balls. The future is Christian, god save the pope, and I will destroy the islamic black death cube.

>>214001874
>Are these nationalistic spaniards in the room with us right now?
They will as soon as they see it.

>>214001919
>Hell is very hot
Will there be babes?

Obsessed

>>214001919
I will curse you with testicular cancer using the magic of Ba'al. :3
There fihem krarzek.

>>214002064
Terze*

>>214001723
>we pass as italians
KEK

>>214001594 (OP)
Don't really care tbqh

It's like asking if you care that berber comes from the Greek barbaros ("foreign savage"), whence barbarian.

Prolly not.

>>214002145
>every italian flag is the same poster
yawn

>>214002169
As a matter of fact I do care actually, and while I like the name and find it Tobe cool as it emplies they fear us and with fear comes reverence, I would like them to compensate me and the other Berbers for the multigenerational campaign of decriminalization and racism.

>>214001594 (OP)
>All Spaniards are almost all nationalistic AF
I'm more of a hyper Christendom-tionalist (and allies) and extremely anti-islam.

For example, MENA Christians are part of my Family in Christ. Muslims belong to baal and are the enemy.

>>214002251
t. some mena christian immigrant

>>214002178
VGH, MVH TVNISIAN BROTHER AND RIGHTFUL CARTHAGINIAN CLAY!
Let's go sacrifice children in the temple of tanit and swear never to be friends of Rome.

Touch sand lil bro

>>214002339
I like to engage in armchair history better.
In this modern age nothing ever happens.
I prefer to occupy my time with learning about the époques when things actually happened.

>>214002214
>I would like them to compensate me and the other Berbers for the multigenerational campaign of decriminalization
I too, think you should be criminalized.

More seriously, I find it weird that arab-berber mutts larp as purebred Berber - it's like some mestizo larping as a full blood Castilian.

I know pockets of pure Berbers exist in nafrica, but the vast majority of the pop are 20%-40% arab admixed, far more than negligible.

>>214002278
Nope, but have spent stretches of time in MENA and know communities there.

Your mocking tone confirms your subhumanity.

>>214002382
Yeah i was joking i just wanted to use that phrase
Tbh i think it's cool. I really like pre roman history though i admit i know very little. I'm not a white supremacist either way. I'm a MEDVTERRANEAN supremacist and thus i see you as my brother.
I was surfing Tunisia through google maps and it seemed like i was looking at my country
Also iberians, Celts and Carthaginians were bros back in the day we fought together against r*me and you built an amazing city for us and gave us commerce and a lot of stuff

Carthago. I thank you. Bros forever

>>214002443
>muh subhuman
uh huh

>>214002583
Me too, I especially like learning about bronze age middle east, Babylon seems super cool.

>>214002763
Yeah Sumer too. I like the contrast of middle eastern civilization and european stone age. Big fan of Conan of course

>>214002583
>"I'm a MEDVTERRANEAN supremacist"
Not our bros since the days of subhumans like uqba ibn nafi, amr ibn al as, musa ibn nusayr, and Tariq ibn zayd.

Brodom died with the Great Queen Dihya.

>>214002443
go back lil bro

>>214001594 (OP)
>All Spaniards are almost all nationalistic AF, they have a special an autistic zeal and reverence to the name of their country
Are you mentally ill?
This is a serious question.

>>214002763
>>214002822
Read Eric Cline's 1177 BC and R. Ibrahim's Sword and Scimitar - amazing books.

>>214002864
It's a sad affair honestly. Imagine if north africans adopted Christianity instead of islam... Vgh.... VVhat covld have been...

>>214002865
1) not your brother
2) I am back
3) you need to go back

Nafris look like pic related

>>214002904
They did, North Africa, Egypt, and the Levant were not just the centers of Christianity but also the largest cultural and intellectual hubs of Christendom/proto-Europa until the people I mentioned destroyed those lands in the 7th century.

>>214001594 (OP)
shafan is not phoenician its in hebrew

>>214002904
>>214002997
St. Augustine for example was an actual non-arab Berber from Numidia (Algeria).

Gave a talk to the local Christian youth community about all that history, many thought muslim occupied lands had always been muslim and had no idea of the great cultural richness that existed before islam destroyed it.

>>214002948
>not your brother
yeah im not related to rats
>I am back
*black
>you need to go back
spanish posters here werent religious and christcuck posting only occured after sudacas and chuds infested the website a decade ago. you have no business being here or in spain you little roach. being christian doesnt make you european, you follow a semitic religion. embarrassing

>>214003047
Phoenician and Modern Hebrew are mutually intelligible.

If you listen to some Phoenician recreations on YouTube you'll find yourself understanding everything once you get accustomed to the pronunciation (or at least that's the commonly expressed notion in linguistics groups).

>>214001594 (OP)
you realize nobody actually knows where the name comes from and the phoenician origin is just one of many theories right? Also not sure how your shithole is involved you're not Phoenician, moor

>>214003090
>t. Failed muzzie subversion
If you had a modicum of knowledge about history, you'd know Christian revivals (like the one currently happening in Europe) are fairly common following periods of secularization, which have happened multiple times already.

Even islam had similar cycles of secularization=>revival=>secularization.

>>214003167
>Christian revivals (like the one currently happening in Europe)
online phenomenon and most performative bullshit as a counter reaction to mass muslim immigration. none of these people go to church on sunday. religion is dying in europe and sooner or later the mena will follow up and then earth will be based

>>214003217
I go multiple times a week lmao and I've seen for the past 3 years massive growth. Proven by stats across the board seeing an uptick.

I know you're upset about the mass secularization wave striking your homeland, but seethe, cope, and mald in whichever order you prefer.

>>214003106
i didnt know we were speaking Phoenician all this time. thats pretty cool

>>214003106
The Punic language existed thousands of years before Hebrew.

>Punic
That would make the name Lebanese, not Berber.
Factually we share the name, Iberia, with Georgia as well, so It is more shure an Hellenic name since Lebanese never reached Caucasus.

Spain name is still... Spain... which comes from Hispalis (Sevilla), a city named after a mythological king, Hispal, that ruled over the peninsula before the time of Geryon and the arrival of Hercules Lybicus.

>>214001919
>Roman semen in my balls.
I will put some Roman semen in your ass too

>>214003288
Can you understand this sentence in picrel?

>>214003330
Demonstrably false. Both were coetaneous NW semitic languages.

Hebrew was kept alive and in heavy usage well until the modern era outside of purely liturgical and literary uses - I have no idea why muzzies obsess with the opposite.

Then it underwent a process of standardization, something many modern languages have undergone: from purging the lexicon of words deemed "too foreign" to ensuring a homogenous and consistent orthography to even dictating proper pronunciation.

>>214002997
>>214003064
I really gotta start reading up on some history
Thanks for the pointers Paco

>>214003607
Cool channel if you prefer video format: https://youtube.com/@raymondibrahim-hw

Dudes a great historian with some awesome books, including the one I mentioned + "Defenders of the West".

Another great recommendation I have on hand is picrel.

I got sold this extremely whitewashed, pro-muslim anti-christian version of history back in ESO and when I started actually learning history was absolutely mindblown to find out that the actual history is the literal opposite.

Learn history, it's the only way you can't be subverted.

>>214003719
Thanks a lot
Writing them all down
And yeah, we're taught history like we're always the bad guys it's mind blowing. Don't even get me started with the Americas and the 80 years war... We're so fucked as a country when in our own schools they humiliate our history and ancestors.

Thanks Manolo

>>214003719
>david morera
>raymond ibrahim
>I got sold this extremely whitewashed, pro-muslim anti-christian version of history back in ESO and when I started actually learning history was absolutely mindblown to find out that the actual history is the literal opposite.
>Learn history, it's the only way you can't be subverted.
Jesus christ you cannot be serious. These people are not serious historians they are propagandists its the equivalent of asking some jihadist about the umayyad caliphate. Wake up to reality

>>214002904
>what could've been
It would been literally the same except we would have a cross on our flag instead of crescent and star what do you mean. There likes 760 million christians in africa all of them live in shit holes

>>214003937
No. We'd get along well. We'd be brvthers...

>>214003920
>t. Seething tunisian
Quite the opposite lmao

The fact that it makes you seeth is wonderful though.

>>214003840
Happy to help, my dude

>>214003937
>says nothing about his government's crackdown on Christians, closing 47 churches, sending Christians and Christian converts to jail
And no, history would not be the same at all.

For starters, we'd probably be 300-400 years ahead in terms of science, all nafrica would be far more advanced and developed, huge iq drops would've never occurred, etc

>>214004160
im not a nafri and im not seething but i do find it hilarious how someone claims they freed themselves of all brainwashing and got their eyes opened only to boast about reading garbage tier literature. the complete lack of any self awareness is just insane to me. raymond ibrahim lmfao the guy just makes up shit at points you must be below 85 iq to believe his stuff. youre even more delusional than the average paki larping as an arab or turk

>>214003937
>Berber women taken as sex slaves and men enslaved at numbers never before seen by islam
>Other sources place it between 100k-300k
>Such barbarity and savegery unleashed by musa ibn nusayr cities were depopulated and a famine occurred
One tiny episode as recorded by a muslim historian.

The vast intellectual and cultural prowess of North Africa, Egypt, and Levant was completely drowned out by barbarity, the incoming cult and subsequent generations of inbreeding. It's truly hard to gauge just how bad the fall was.

Christendom eventually recovered and had new centers of cultural and intellectual development, but history would've taken a very different turn otherwise.

>>214004284
You're just hurling insults lil guy
Nothing you have said itt has any substance or weight

>>214004284
>thoroughly referenced footnotes
>I frequently DL said sources and look up the quotes as in my previous comment to delve more
Yes yes, Donner and the rest of the people cited are complete frauds, the chronicle of 741 is a total invention, al Maqqari never existed KEK

you need to go back or accept the truth

>>214004361
you are shilling raymond ibrahim you cannot speak about substance and weight lmao. for your own good read his "work" from a neutral perspective. the bias is so blatant you might as well ask the ayatollah about israel

>>214001594 (OP)
>6th century BCE
>BCE

>>214004484
>seething about Ibrahim
Possibly the most hilarious thing I've seen in a while. Few people seethe this much about a historian.

You're welcome to go through every single source and prove how they were all, in their entirety, either non-existent or misquoted, no fallacy of composition.

When you make that thread I'll give you a (You).

I'll be interested to see you prove a plethora of historical texts and scholars like Donner to be frauds.

Until then, keep seething.

>>214004573
>Raymond "Saladin was literally ISIS" Ibrahim
if thats your level of literacy we're done talking. may as well teach a donkey to do chemical equations

>>214004333
i dont really care bro this shit happened so long ago. People here are trying to survive we dont have time to argue about who raped who. This is a first worlder past time. Atleast i wasn't born in egypt

>>214004686
KEK muzzie confirmed

You niggers jerk off to saladin, maybe second only to khalid "the rabid dog" ibn walid.

>>214004798
>Atleast i wasn't born in egypt
True dat, from what I know they're peak crazy.

Question, what was that all girl demo at some Algerian military parade? Trying to remember it, had some pretty cool qadafi vibes

Second q, do you think you'll ever war against Morocco?

The future belongs to the sons of Hannibal.

>>214004825
thank you for reminding me of your level of intelligence. im sure everyone who points out your non existent logic is muslim. also, thank you for not even engaging with raymonds delusional claim on saladin and instead babbling about some arab warlord. you have no clue what to even say and before that you were talking about how i could only throw slurs around. ironic
im sorry for mother was headbutted in the stomach by zinedine zidane when she was pregnant with you.

>>214001594 (OP)
I don't really care, but I love rabbits, they're yummy, I believe they were only native to the Iberian peninsula and they breed like crazy, so they're the perfect spirit animal for any Spaniard.

>>214001594 (OP)
Awawa!

Yeah and Portugal literally means orange in arabic

Wtf Spaniards are still at it? It's been an hour, move on already.

>>214004965
I already gave you a challenge (>>214004573), when you post the thread I'll be happy to go through it.

Until then you're welcome to keep on seething until it's time for asr.

And I agree, saladin was a dog (obviously).

>>214005080
Arabs introduced oranges to Europe the original word for orange back then was naranj which is taken from sanscrite, fun fact the word orange is a European pronunciation of the word naranj, it's not that Arabs named Portugal after oranges it's that Portugal came to be famous for oranges to us.
Portugal in Arabic is bortughal, oranges are bortuqal.

>>214005083
That "spaniard" is by far the most delusional retard on this board. Every day hes shitting up the board talking about islam and christianity and spreading straight up lies. Hes mentally ill, obsessing this much over made up bullshit

>>214004878
>>214004878
i haven't heard of an all girl military parade lately. But there are alot of women in the army. However most women in our army are officers not soldiers.

And no we will not initiate a brother war with morocco unless they attack again (territory grab on our eastern border) or start culling natives off of western sahara (if that happens Algeria should have the green light to annex it temporarily). We won't attack without NATO approval. Those are the only two reasons. And morocco isn't stupid enough to do both. So the situation will stay like this for years to come.

>>214005083
Then rein in your cousin in italy

>>214005245
Ah, it was actually a pretty cool demo/parade

>And no we will not initiate a brother war
Yeah, the trickle effect would be brutal, France has already been erupting a bit with minor clashes here and there between diaspora.

>We won't attack without NATO approval.
Why would you need it?

>>214005377
Brother im not a retard. I may be born in a low iq environment but i know NATO would tear us a new one if we initiate anything without their approval. We learned from Gaddafi. We are already walking on thin ice because we are buying russian equipment and our diplomats are working 24/7 in brussels and washington to make sure we dont get sanctions. How do you think we dont get CATSAA sanctions like egypt when they tried to buy Russian jets ?

>>214001594 (OP)
The real origin of the name is this:

Punic-Carthaginian

Another hypothesis suggests that it comes from the Punic Span or I-span-ya, which would mean “land of the north” or “land of metalworkers/metals.”

This makes sense because the peninsula was famous in antiquity for its mineral wealth (silver, gold, copper, tin).

People all over the Mediterraneo arrived in the Iberian Peninsula to trade with metals (especially copper from Tartessos).

It makes more sense that naming a whole Peninsula because fucking rabbits existed. I don´t think there are countries named after animals or especially rodents. It sounds ridiculous.

Anyways Europe is also an ""african"" name. A phoenician name. But it also means little since phoenician was the base for many European alphabets like Greek.

Also

Span or I-span-ya, sounds more Hispania that your rabbits thing --I-shaphan-im which would be Isapani

>>214006034
>>214005969
damn bro why name so compilcated? we had islands (before they got filled out and connected to mainland) so we just named ourselves "the islands" kek

Are nafri country developing or are they still shitholes?

>>214006167
Araps looked at the greenery of Tunisia in the north and they've never seen anything like it, they were used to ugly red jagged Mountains and sand so being in Tunisia had a positive effect on their moral, they felt soothed, and that's where the name Tunis came from the Arabic word tounis meaning keeping someone in soothing company.

>>214006279
Still shitholes, come back in 50 years

Listen, I don't give a fuck about your nationalities/ethnicities, if your paternal haplo isn't J2 you are lower than a beast, out of my sight barbaroi

>>214003570
I'm no Jew and no expert on Semitic languages, but didn't Jewish people use Hebrew more as a literary/liturgical anguage the way Western Christians used Latin and Orthodox Slavs used Old Church Slavonic? I know Sephardic Jews used Ladino, Ashkenazi Jews used Yiddish, and other Jews elsewhere used local languages (such as Arabic in Arabic-speaking countries, Amharic in Ethiopia, Tamil in Tamil Nadu usw), so I assume it was more something that they kept using in shuls and in religious proclamations/judgements, but not in everyday life as the language one would expect a man to use with his wife and his children in the privacy of his own home or in butchershops/trinkets shops.

>>214006443
I'm I1 (of patrilineal Dutch descent). Y-DNA haplogroups I and J stem from the same root.

>>214001594 (OP)
This is only one possible etymology. Another theory is "mostwestern land" which sounds more likely than rabbits

>>214001874
This. If he really knew about Spain, he would know that we're sadly the most self-destructive country in the whole continent.

> spanirds are named after rat-like creatured

Seems about right

>>214006827
Bullshit, I can't believe it.

>>214006058
>>214006080
>>214006114
>seething so hard you bring your obession to other threads
the butthurt must be genetic given your filthy whore mother gave birth to you by shitting you out of her raped-by-nafris-but-secretly-enjoyed-it asshole.

>>214001919
>god save the pope
From the Catholic Catechism:
“The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day” (CCC 841).
You don't even believe your own church.

>>214001928
we are seething sooo hard roach, you won the internet today kudos.

>>214001594 (OP)
io guardo così e dico questo e linco questo filo patposo sul filo

>>214008776
>roach
???
I am not a turk, I'm a Tunigger FYI.

>>214008983
>ACK

>>214009822
Can I take him home with me? He's so adorable!

>>214006443
>posts a schizo dhimmi
Ew

>>214006652
I did a deep dive on this and no, it was kept in use in spaces outside the purely religious. Often as some form of a lingua franca when there was no language in common. In the day to day it was definitely overshadowed by Yiddish and Ladino, though even in daily life the Jewish school systems kept the language in use via discussions and commentaries carried out in Hebrew.

In a sense it has very close parallels to Fus7a.

>>214008072
>nafrican diaspoo-rat insulting mothers and thinking of rape
Unsurprising.

I'll keep on hounding you as long as you spread your shitty false narratives

>>214001594 (OP)
>what is culture
>what is freedom requirements
>what is religion
fuck off

>>214005080
>>214005159
The name Portugal comes from the roman town Portus Cale, nothing to do with ar*bs