Thread 214039262

America is full

Of fatsos

HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHBABABABBABABAHBABAHHAHBAB

Yay now we have a labor shortage and have gained absolutely nothing

>>214039281
gottem

Indian population increased though

i just remembered how they imported some dutch niggers from africa despite muh 0 immigration. and i never heard about some white genocide again either.
anyway good for the us

>>214039262 (OP)
How has a reduction in immigrants materially benefited my life?

>>214039286

What compels this kind of person? A "labor shortage"? What kind of treacherous little two faced rat are you? I've never seen so many unemployed and underemployed college grads.

>>214039359
Our unemployment rate is 4%.

The deportations WILL continue
The deconstructions of visa programs WILL continue
Putting American citizens first WILL continue
you WILL seethe
you WILL continue to become overencumbered with darkie hordes

>>214039286
>Noooo think about the losses of the billionaires!

>>214039401
I'm thinking about losses for consumers.

We are all consumers. That is are shared interest. Consumer interests should be paramount over any special interests.

I'm more interested in how much the national population will shrink over the next years. It's a common theme in european countries of americans asking how they can immigrate to get away from trump lol

>>214039262 (OP)
>>214039359

Where is the Epstein List you child Rapist worshipping sacks of Indian shit

>>214039399
You are the darkie horde, José McShantavious-Perlstein.

>>214039453
none of those people actually emigrate.

I've also never heard a single person seriously mention this IRL and I am in very liberal crowds.

>>214039286
>Yay now we have a labor shortage
shut the fuck up moshe, you're going back too, make you roam the desert for 1000 years

>>214039321
>Latrinos out
>Civilised Indians in

Smart

>>214039384

Ah yes, the official """"""""""""""""""""""Unemployment Rate""""""""""""""""""""""" (TM) which somehow never looks bad no matter how shit the economy is

>>214039453
I already have Swiss and UK citizenship, not moving back, i hate you faggots so much

>>214039487
WHERES THE EPSTEIN LIST YOU KIKE WORSHIPPING PEDOPHILE WANNABE
WE DONT FUCKING CARE ABOUT YOUR BULLSHIT

>>214039484
>none of those people actually emigrate.
I know because they ask and do no research and clearly have nothing to offer so they would all get rejected (sorry we're also full)
That said I do run into american immigrants every now and then so I am curious about the actual numbers.

>>214039515
Immigrants aren't the reason you're a loser.

>>214039455
>>214039468

>W-W-WHAT ABOUT EPSTEIN???
>N-NOOOO YOU'RE THE NIGGER YOU'RE THE NIGGER

AHAHAHAHAHAH

>>214039545
>stop the democrat rapists
>stop the democrat rapists
>stop the democrat rapists
>stop the democrat rapists
>pizzagate
>WHAT, EPSTEIN LIST? STOP TALKING ABOUT IT
lol burgers

>>214039532
Most American emigrants just moved for work or for marriage or something, not because a guy they don't like is president for 4 years.

Our emigration rate overall is pretty low, especially if you don't count dual citizens moving back to their home country.

>>214039286
DOGFUCKING
MENSTRUATING
KIKE

>>214039574
It's magapedos and useful idiots who will say anything do anything to distract from children being raped by the head troll
Shit is getting violent now. In real life. Trump has to have DC locked down or he will get fucking killed over it

You think the people going on schizo rants against immigrants even have any interactions with them or do they just drummed up on nativist social media content?

Anyways they're a minority, most people just want criminals deported and no one else.

>>214039286
Traitorous rats like you should be the first to be hunted and disappear

>>214039359
Do you have any actual economic data that proves underemployment for college grads is caused by immigrants?

>>214039332
that was like 59 people total
i remember reading how one of the families ended up stuck in a motel in montana unable to find work or afford rent

bad times for hispanic/ukrainian/haitian refugees

>>214039534

Immigrants aren't the reason you're a gay little nigger

>>214039694
I'm traitorous because I'm not a degrowther?

You want us to go into population decline, pay more for groceries, pay more for housing (our construction industry partially relies on undocumented labor), pay more for hospitality, because you have a personal dislike of immigrants?

I'm not willing to make economic sacrifices just because you have a personal dislike of immigrants. If you don't like immigrants you can move to West Virginia where there are none.

>>214039286
a labor shortage can only benefit the laborer thoughever. it gives us greater bargaining power.

>>214039695

I am literally in tech you absolute fucking moron. I wish I could turn you into a can of dog food right now. They are NO LONGER HIRING ANY JUNIOR ENGINEERS. AT ALL. IT'S ALL GOING TO INDIANS POOPDICK. MY MIDWESTERN COMPANY IS JUST INDIA NOW

>>214039759

If you don't like Americans you can literally leave America

>degrowther

What even is a leftist in 2025? You guys make no sense whatsoever.

>WE NEED A MILLION BAZILLION INDIANS JUST LIKE INDIA ISN'T INDIA GREAT

kys

>>214039761
It harms the consumer. And we are all consumers.

There's also not really much evidence suggesting that immigrants depress wages for Americans. By this same logic, you should be celebrating fertility rate declines, since less births mean less labor competition. And unlike native births, we don't have to pay for the education and childhood of immigrants.

Essentially, you're a degrowther. You're basically no different than anti-natalists.

>>214039810
Anon
If you are pro trump.
You are pro child Rapist
Why would your opinion matter
When you clearly aren't human

>>214039779
The touch tech worker market is caused by changes in the tax code, high interests rates, and over-hiring in 2022.

Also as a consumer of technology as well as a tech worker, I want Indians to work in tech. Having additional labor makes the products better for the consumer.

>>214039834
>>214039869

>OY VEY IT'S ACTUALLY BAD FOR YOU WHEN THERE AREN'T A BAZILLION RETARDS GETTING PUMPED IN TO STEAL YOUR JOBS AND CLUTTER UP YOUR ROADS AND HOUSES
>anon I actually really care about Epstein in 2025 6 years later this is totally genuine

The absolute state of "Democrats" in the year of our lord 2025

>>214039286
SAAAAAAAAAAR

>>214039810
I'm not a leftist. I am very much a staunch supporter of free market capitalism.

You sound more like a leftist, wanting the government to intervene to protect your labor from what you perceive as threats.

>>214039919
>>214039810
>>214039779
>>214039752
reddit spacing codecuck

>>214039919
Jobs aren't resources. You can't steal them. Jobs are the way you contribute to society and get rewarded with money.

>>214039286
nigga get a job

>>214039932

I know exactly what you are and no amount of pilpuling is going to change that. You receive your talking points fed straight from reddit. Good thing you and your opinions are nowhere near power, huh??

This mostly has to do with how the rate of surplus value in Mexico & USA has been equalizing over the decades, with the industrialization of the northern mexican territories & commercial trade such as NAFTA.

The equalization of rate of surplus value is an objective law in capitalism, because all capitalist need to implement the standard technology & exploit their workers in similar fashion, if they are to be competitive.

In this sense, Trump deporting immigrants respond to this objective factor, that since the life quality of the immigrant working class in America has become almost identical as if they were working on the other side of the frontier, they've stop being a passive group and have the potential to become a revolutionary group (the mass protest we saw in LA show the potential of revolution in immigrants).

Trumpism in this sense, is the preemtive offense of the bourgeoisie against a large labour movements forming in America.

>>214039950
I've got a job. This thread is full of nativists blaming the fact that they are unemployed losers on immigrants rather than taking personal responsibility.

>>214039948

Of course they are. Jobs are the limited resources produced by business founders. There are only so many founders, so many businesses, ergo so many jobs. If immigrants aren't founding new jobs at the pace that they are taking them, they're hurting the American worker. This is extremely obvious stuff and I know you're being obtuse.

>>214039961
I don't read reddit, which is mostly leftists. I read actually publications.

>>214039919
I agree that they're acting like a kike but Epstein is a pedonigger

>>214039977

I am taking responsibility. You are going to die and your little jeet and nigger pets are going back. This is just phase 1. For real though if you love mountains of people living on top of each other why not move to India and be away from all of these mean old American racists? Surely it's paradise. 1.5 billion people!!!! think of the growth!!!!

>>214039977
>nativists
dont appeal to me. blood and soil nigga hh

>>214039970

>again

Trump literally is the brooding labor movement. How you don't see that is hilarious. Foreign scab workers don't constitute the "American working class" they are literally the enemy used by the capital.

>>214039995
The demand immigrants provide creates jobs. Immigrants also buy things.

Also, immigrant labor can make projects possible that otherwise would not be, and some of the jobs for this project go to American workers.

Why don't you provide some actual economic data that proves that immigrant labor is currently depressing American wages. I find that very hard to believe considering our median house income has significantly risen even after adjusted for inflation, and our unemployment rate is low.

>>214040034
but hispanics are the bulk of the deportees

>>214040077
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>>214040034
not the anon but nothing ever happens, they're getting "deported" but since trump is a zionist he's probably going to keep most of them

different toilet, same shit

>>214040077
Marxist logic.

Funny how the Republican Party promotes communism today isn't it

>>214040079

Money/resources don't sprout out of thin air. They are created. By founders, business owners, job creators. These are limited. We are not importing in job creators, we are importing in job CONSUMERS. This displaces native workers who are already suffering from wage loss, underemployment.

>why don't you show data that proves that massively increasing the share of labor depresses wages

google "economics" faggot

>>214039281
TRVKE!

>>214039286
>labor shortage
That's why 1000 applicants are applying to just one fucking engineering job within half an hour

>>214040099

Marx doesn't have a monopoly on labor or workers. He was actually a deceitful jew who promoted an anti-worker globalist paradigm. This is actually Julius Caesar's platform.

>>214040159
immigrants have a higher rate of business ownership than natives doe

>>214039779
Good thing a main plank of the migger platform is infinity jeets, then. :)

>>214040087

Because they're still the bulk of immigrants. The "legal" immigrants are a tougher nut to crack but they are currently undoing most of the visas to start sending them back too. That takes longer because you can't just insta deport someone with legal status.

>>214040159
Then why is our unemployment rate low and median household income higher than ever?

Also "job consumer" is not a real thing lmao.

>>214040198

Raping the small business loan system to pop up gas stations everywhere (exclusively staffed by your jeet brothers/sisters) isn't "business ownership"

>>214040206

It is not, this is one reason Elon crashed out. They have been picking away at visas too.

>>214040252

"Job consumer" is literally what Asians are. Ever hear about Americans getting hired at Indian corporations? Because millions of Indians are getting hired at American ones. You can cry about how this isn't zero sum all you want, it is when only one side is capable of building prosperous businesses that hire people. The game is over and you're going back

>>214039262 (OP)
I voted for this.
We need a complete pause on immigration for at least a year as well, legal and otherwise.

>>214040304
Indians working for the American consumer is a good thing for us.

>>214040164
I don't see how ICE showing up at farms, meat packing plants and construction sites is going to help a guy get an engineering job.

>>214040304
I am an American who works for a business founded by an Indian immigrant.

Call me when it's a billion.

>but there's not even a billion Americans let alone migrants!

don't care, until the USA is japan tier stephen miller will remain gay.

I can't wait until Newsom becomes president and enacts open borders again.

>>214040459
>until the USA is japan
ok wagecuck

>>214040252
>why is our unemployment rate low
People work for uber or grub hub for slave wages rather than apply for unemployment, which counts them as "employed" by technicality. This is the same reason why the BLS keeps having to reduce job counts. People are creating 1 man companies so that they can more reasonably file their taxes for their gig work, which otherwise gets very complex.
>median household income higher than ever
Labor force participation is hitting record lows and the people who would be working lower end or entry level jobs are instead not in the labor force, raising the official median even though people generally aren't making more money.
>>214040410
True that ICE isn't helping get middle class jobs back, but if you ask the 35 year old working a McDonald's cash register if he would rather work at a meat packing plant for double his current rate he certainly would.
I know you didn't say this, but when people claim that Americans don't want these jobs, it just shows that they've never worked a day in their life and never had to genuinely worry how they were going to buy groceries this week.

>>214040619
not like that

>>214040697
I absolutely guarantee you a 35 year old working at McDonalds would be able to get hired at a meat packing plant.

It seems like you want all the immigrants to be deported, for their jobs to be filled by current fast food/retail workers. Except who then would work in fast food/retail? Do you want stores and restaurants to go out of business because they don't have to have any workers anymore?

>>214039384
labor participation is like 60%

>>214040697
>Labor force participation is hitting record lows and the people who would be working lower end or entry level jobs are instead not in the labor force, raising the official median even though people generally aren't making more money.
Median household income includes all households, not just those in the labor force, so you're wrong.

Try another mental gymnastics excuse.

>>214039694
You keep saying this to posters that make you seethe. I've even told you where I live and you still haven't done shit, migapedo.

>>214040946
The labor participation dropped from 66% to 62% largely because of boomers retiring.

Do you want to drag the retired boomers into the meat packing plants?

>>214039661
I do want negros out of my country, i live near that awful and destructive demography. My countrymen who lived near blacks a decade ago also were fed up of their niggardy and were bashed by the media non stop when they dared to complain.
It seems to me that you don't roam mucho near afro scum.

>>214039262 (OP)
Finally, some good news.

>>214039262 (OP)
So now that the immigrants have been deported, when exactly does America get great again? Are you seeing those higher wages and cheaper goods already?

>>214040827
Japan is only the way it is because it's a wagecuck society.

You go to school to wagecuck as an office worker. You get good grades to wagecuck as an office worker. You wagecuck inhumane hours ever week and if you fail to meet the quota you're shamed for not wagecucking enough. Jocks aren't popular in japan simply because you can't really wagecuck off of sports. It's the nerds that make it big since they're built for office culture. You wagecuck to live in a nation with plummeting birth rates and to only get invaded by annoying foreigners. Then, you die. You die from how hard you wagecucked yourself. Did you know that japan is such a stressful nation to live in that they have their own heart attacks? It's called Takotsubo cardiomyopathy.

There's a reason why most japanese media focus on people in their youth because adulthood over there is fucking dead.

>>214040857
>I absolutely guarantee you a 35 year old working at McDonalds would be able to get hired at a meat packing plant.
I hope you're right, but I don't think that you are.
>Except who then would work in fast food/retail?
High schoolers and college students, like how things are in other countries. I get to travel a lot and you simply don't see middle aged or old people working in retail or fast food restaurants even in third world countries.
>>214040959
Alright my bad then. My point stands about the inflated employment numbers and BLS.

>Anno Domini Two-Thousand and Twenty Five

Expecting corporations and major businesses to bend over backwards to you just because their pet illegals have been deported and suddenly you think your labor is highly valued now to the point that you can get paid an inflated wage

>in the midst of the AI/Smart Revolution

Kekkity kek! When will nigtards on this site learn.

wow America is becoming so great again! are we tired of winning yet bros?

>>214040857
>Except who then would work in fast food/retail?
Teens, like how it's supposed to be. Old retards who were too busy diddling around instead of working up the ladder shouldn't be filling up the entry jobs that're intended for kids to be in. There's a reason why minimum wage shouldn't be increased since it's just supposed to be a small income for kids to make while they focus on school. The old people you see in those jobs are the ones who couldn't make it.

>>214039262 (OP)
america shouldve taken the swiss path so prioritizing locals then hiring foreigners only for the most in-demand positions
instead now you have all sorts of ethnic cartels basically shutting off the native population out of the job market

>>214041566
>ethnic cartels basically shutting off the native population out of the job market
source?

>>214039286
We have 100 million adults not in the labor force

>>214041518
Teens today, Kids tomorrow. Never underestimate how far your companies are willing to go to fuck over everyone else if it meant profitting more.

>>214039262 (OP)
full of fast breeding niggers and spics

>>214039281
bodied that freak

>>214041838
copied from >>214039281, kys unoriginalfag

>>214041155
>immigrants have been deported,
They haven't though. It's just theatre

>>214041816
it's pretty high among youth too. 1/5 of those between 24 - 55 are not working and that's all projected to increase over the next decade

>>214041816
>Grandpa get in the apple orchard and start picking
>>214041518
What if teens don't want to work fast food?

>>214041899
Do you believe these people that are not working from 24-55 are going to line up to take an immigrants place in a construction job?

Are they able to a construction job?

>>214041899
Right wingers constantly fetishize stay at home mothers then seethe that our labor participation rate isn't 100%.

>>214042010
>Are they able to a construction job?
anybody can do a construction job

what a retarded question

>>214039761
>can
It wont though

>>214039262 (OP)
that's okay. i will be bringing millions with me

>>214042044
It's obviously not becauase of stay at home moms why labor participation is so low.

>>214041933
>What if teens don't want to work fast food?
They do, anon. Teens want money, they will work fast food. The problem is how highly competitive the lower market is. It took me over 6 months of applying to cheap jobs just to get my foot in the door. Most of the stores I go in either have immigrants with heavy accents or old people who should be busy playing with their grandchildren.
When you were a teen, didn't you want money? Wasn't money pretty much every teen's birthday wish? Most teens want money simply because they can do more adult things with it, they probably have a driver's license, they can start driving around with their friends and do normalfag shit such as going to the movies and they need a job to enable that.

How are you going to get a job when you're being choked out by adults who are much more flexible than you time-wise and businesses don't have to worry about child labor laws with them? They can work adults to the bone for as much as they want and the government won't bat an eye. It's an uphill playing field. I want to work. I enjoy working. I like making money, I like being able to bless people I appreciate with gifts. It's hard to do that when it's taking months of constant applying. Couple this with the fact that most teens have little to no experience working and most minimum wage jobs will just prefer hiring old(er), more experienced, people.

>>214041879
You've deported plenty of danish people, it came in the news

>>214042411
Trust a Dane feel the pain.

>>214042398
>When you were a teen, didn't you want money?
No I was a loser content to play video games and jerk off in my childhood room. I didn't get a job until I was 26. Jobs were too competitive for too little reward

I work in the hotel industry, and we're completely decimated. No cleaning staff, no front desk staff, nothing. We've always tried to hire locals, but they don't want to do the work. They want to be the hotel manager, not the one cleaning toilets - so we have to bring in people who do otherwise the toilets never get cleaned. At this point we'll probably shut down, which will just make the Las Vegas economic crisis even worse.

>>214042519
True but couldn't having a job supplied you with even more video games and porn? I mean, I've played the same games for a decade at this point but it feels really invigorating that you CAN buy whatever you want, not that you HAVE to. The very fact that I get the option to spend my money that I made however I please feels good anon.

Part of it could just be that I enjoyed my job since my boss was a big tittied korean and it was in the food industry so I had infinite food to eat o algo.

>>214042171
Disabled people can do a construction job?

>>214042398
k.

Doesn't change the fact that deporting a bunch of workers so teens can have an easier time getting part time jobs is an absolutely terrible idea.

>>214042739
Oh, I'm not arguing for that lol.

>>214042739
Teens don't get 'part time jobs'. They think they're too good for it.
You won't see teens working until we ban video games and tiktok.

>>214042010
These people are utterly delusional. Depending on the trade, laborer jobs start from $20-$25/hr with no experience in my area. Despite this, every single construction company in my area struggles to hire anyone, even kids fresh out of high school or college kids on summer break. I offer $23 with no experience whatsoever, and $25 with any type of construction or general labor experience. I've only gotten three applicants over the past year, two were methed-out tweaker tards I wouldn't be able to trust in customer's homes or jobsites, the other is an awesome kid that's making $31/hr already. My story is far from unique, too.
>inb4 miggermutts seethe
I don't hire illegals and the only Hispanic employee I have is an infowars schizo that was born and raised here.

globohomo shills are having a melty itt lmao
>you are DOOMED!
>your cities are going to SHUT DOWN!
>teens have NEVER worked fast food!
>muh labor shortage!
sorry but nobody believes you anymore, and unfortunately you didn't do a good enough job so your jobs will probably be outsourced to indians now!

>>214042645
It's okay, bro. You can slave away in a factory for six gorillion trumpdollars an hour.

>>214041566
>america shouldve taken the swiss path so prioritizing locals then hiring foreigners only for the most in-demand positions
They'll simply keep doing what is being done currently instead: They will pretend they have an open job position when in actuality they already know who they're gonna pick, they just need to do this to keep up the facade of being "fair" to avoid lawsuits.
If they already know someone is willing to do the job for less and do it decently enough, they will go for that candidate. Them being foreign born and not being here legally is a bonus because such a worker is easier to control. Ever oh so much tell your manager that the working conditions are just a tad less then stellar? Suddenly ICE is on site.
But this is why in my opinion is that if an immigrant, whether "illegal" or not should be given full fledged US citizenship on the fucking spot so they can have as much benefits, legal protections and what have you as a native worker.

>>214042739
Importing third worlders to take away teens' entry level job opportunities so you can buy Chinese slop for a little cheaper is a much worse idea.

>>214042010
it would be a good thing if a bunch of shitty ass construction companies that employ illegals went out of business, then good companies would snatch up all their contracts and the cheap ass business owners who employ illegals and can't afford good renovation will also go out of business.

>>214043540
America has always imported the best of the best, and worthless chuds have always complained about it. All of my Indian workers have been go-getters, even the ones who remain in India. "Americans" on the other hand want full benefits and a promotion immediately, then a vacation after that. They don't work.

>>214043132
>$20-$25/hr
After theft this is like $12/hr. This cant afford to rent an apartment.

>>214043596
>of my Indian workers have been go-getters
SAAAAAAAAAAAR

Now will you start accepting skilled white immigrants so we can turn the US into our home and save ourselves from being replaced and wiped out?

>>214039629
You should be raped by trump, ass to mouth

>>214043596
Go home, Ranjesh. Bharat will need her strongest soldier.

>>214043643
Europeans are even worse, they demand paid vacation and absurd breaktime rules. I caught one who didn't work at all, he just sat in the break room all day. Said he was on his 'siesta', despite the building being air conditioned.

>>214043596
I still don’t like Irish or Italians so how do you think I feel about you?

>>214043596
turn off the vpn dothead

>>214043132
you run a shitty company out of the back of a pickup truck, all of you bullshit minor contractors need to go out of business so people stop jumping the border to do the same thing. do Americans even clean their own shower drains anymore? we don't need 2 billion handymen in this country.

>>214039286
How many laborers do you employ

>>214043613
>After theft this is like $12/hr
Not even close, you retarded NEET faggot.

>>214043632
>>214043757
>>214043775
>>214043781
reddit-tier echochamber

>>214043613
Apartments are cheap now. Zoomers are just entitled and want a penthouse.

>>214043613
>50% tax exist
Where in the FUCK do they tax you by 50%?

>>214043845
In Trump's America, that's what the lower class pays.

>>214043845
He's just bullshitting because he's a retarded faggot.

I find it funny how not even 30 years after the fall of the Soviet union Americans turned on capitalism

>>214043792
That's the starting range even for union and larger non-union companies, migger-nigger. That number is going to double at an absolute bare minimum once you're a journey-level employee. You're completely out of your depth here.

>>214039286
Noooo. Not my taxpayer subsidized slaves for unlimited corporate profit :/
How will we get record profits again for a handful of already wealthy people this year?

>>214043845
In california. After federal state local income taxes social security medicare property tax gas tax plastic bottle tax sales tax cigarrette taxes car registration tax the government easily fleeces you more than 50%

>>214043917
Capitalism is when you turn your country into a faceless economic zone for corporate profit at the expense of citizens o algo

>>214044024
Correct, that is indeed what it is

>>214044004
You have to make over 600k to get a 37% federal income tax and at least over 700k to get a 12% tax in California.

Call me crazy but I don't think a single human being is reaching those numbers on an HOURLY paycheck of $20-$25/hr.

>>214044074
Yes, me handing away my country to multinational corporations and other foreigners while I pay for it all is just capitalism guise!

>>214044120
That's just one level of taxation. There are multiple levels on top of that.
It's clear mommy pays for everything, timmy.

It's funny that MAGA has turned into a straight up crypto-marxist movement at this point lol

>>214044129
now you're getting it!!!

>>214044150
Yes, I acknowledge that there's taxation when it comes to other things like the sales of goods and blahblahblah. There's no place in America where you have to give up half of what you make when you're making less than the median income.

>>214043917
this is not capitalism, this is scamming.

>>214043613
holy this guys dumb

>>214044220
Actually if you're lower class, you can easily lose 110% of your wages to various taxes and fees. Yes, over 100%.

>>214044202
Wtf I love MAGA now!

>>214044307
Okay, you got me good anon

>>214044407
It's not a joke. Why do you think so many are in debt?

>>214044120
Oh my sweet summer child

>>214044207
Sounds more like judaism to me

>>214044202
>crypto-marxist movement
>hates poor people

>>214044899
sounds like you aren't very intelligent

>>214043562
What actually will happen is that a bunch of construction companies will just go out of business and the cost of construction will greatly increase.

>>214043794
Quite a bit indirectly through consumption. You do as well.

>>214044925
Truth hurts rabbi

>>214044024
It literally is

>>214044202
MAGA is a protectionist movement.

>>214045723

No "it" isn't anything. You can have a free market internally/domestically while protecting your international borders. That is "literally" what the US was up until the 1960's.

>>214045039
that's also very good because it shits on the giga-developers who want every city, town and village to look the same.

>>214039912
Also a decade of "learn to code" in which all NPCs switched from other "sure money" majors like accounts and engineering to Computer Science.

>a rabble patchwork coalition of feminists, trannies, fags, blacks, foreigners, built around the worship of non Americans, internationalist businessmen and corporations

This isn't going to last lmao. You're witnessing the Carter Democrats 2.0.

>>214043917

The funnier thing is that the USSR cultural marxist espionage and messaging missions meant to subvert the US in the 50's, 60's, and 70's, actually did work. It just took decades, and they themselves imploded before they got to see its final fruits. But in 2025 you have a legitimate political bloc and group of people who fundamentally hate all things traditionally American and desire for its relegation into a cosmopolitan "economic zone" just as the Soviets wished. They would have been jizzing themselves in 2020 when it was all coming to a head.

>>214043917
>capitalism
To be fair to all sides, how can you call it capitalism if most people aren't capitalists?
It's not even pseudo-capitalism because wage growth does not track GDP growth, at all.

>>214045943
It actually didn't work, they just prioritized academia and young lawyers but they're currently getting btfo in every measurable metric. Democrat party registration is the lowest it's been since the party was created.

>>214043971
it remains to be seen if americans want to work the jobs migrants worked, eg fruit pickers and such

>>214046060

It still destabilized and undermined us. Imagine if politics weren't "pro American vs anti American" but rather "pro American flavor X vs pro American flavor Y." This whole nation is playing defense right now against all manner of subversive cosmopolitan. So in essence it did work, and if the USSR existed and was in a strong position they would be cheersing and capitalizing on it, but they aren't, because communism is still that useless lmao.

>>214046082

Hard, laborious work should be paid well. It's hard. It actually makes no sense that farm hands and laborers don't make $20-30/hr. Our clownconomy is backwards precisely because we allow certain things to be undermined while propping up others. Why are roastie wagies being paid $80k/yr to push paper around and send emails to each other in A/C offices instead of having some fucking kids?

>>214046167
but that's not reality, hard labor that requires a huge amount of people to do is not getting paid well especially since it doesn't require a skill
if it did you'd pay the difference in the product price

>>214045739
MAGA is a pro-jew movement first. Everything else is secondary

>>214040164
they are just preventing the employer from hiring bringing someone from India

>>214039751
Will he take Israelis next

>>214046191

I genuinely don't agree with that. In a perfect, fair economy it goes like this:

>hard dumb work: paid decent
>easy smart work: paid decent
>easy dumb work: paid badly
>hard smart work: paid very well

This should be obvious. A harder job SHOULD be paid more than the bare minimum because there is easy, dumb work out there too. And if it was paid better you would see more people doing it.

They used this tactic in the pre antebellum south as well. How well did it go for their economy, using slaves for the toughest, dumbest work, instead of local southerners?

>>214046167
>Hard, laborious work should be paid well. It's hard. It actually makes no sense that farm hands and laborers don't make $20-30/hr
Then fruits and vegetables are going to be way more expensive. I don't want to pointlessly pay more for fruit just because of your personal dislike of immigrants. Also, who is going to do the jobs the native born workers are currently doing?

The $80k a year office jobs are paid better because they're skilled. These wages are set by the free market. Its not up to the government to determine the market price of labor. You're basically arguing for a socialist system.

>>214046271
Are you under the impression that the government is setting the salaries that private companies pay their employees?

>>214046371

>way more

No. I don't think you get it, they don't pass all of these savings on to the consumer. They pocket the excess. This is why "wealth inequality" grows. They HATE a competitive market because then margins get thin and they have to fight to survive, which includes less profit.

>The $80k a year office jobs are paid better because they're skilled.

Not at all, 50% of corporate roles are sinecures. You need a degree to get them, not to do them. Big difference. Our economy is highly imbalanced and due for a fuckening.

>>214046404

Thanks to a mixture of regulations, subsidies, taxes, tax breaks, mandates, yes, our state is actually highly involved in how "private" enterprise ends up being ran. It wasn't always this way, it became this way over time and due to asymmetries. This is all a connected system and you need to understand 2nd and 3rd order effects.

>>214046438
Its funny how arguing with MAGAtards is basically indistinguishable from arguing with socialists. I can hardly even tell them apart these days.

>>214046478

I have only ever been for a domestic free market, and an internationally regulated market, the government's original duty was regulation of trade and immigration, this is literally nothing new, you just have a warped nigger perception of what "conservatism" is supposed to be (selling everything out to the world).

>>214046477
Most of our government expenditure is spent on sending checks to boomers, providing free healthcare to boomers, and the military.

>>214042645
No. I played league of legends which was and is still free

>>214046517
>we should be a poor autarky shithole

>>214046525

It is a money funnel into everything possible, and "private" enterprise has no choice but to chase its incentives. You're already living in socialism spud.

>>214046556

Aaaannnd there it is, "reasonable restrictions on trade/immigration" = total autarky. You're done faggot. I can smell the curry from here.

>>214046167
Why do chuds hate the service economy so much? They're too dumb to understand why a job exists so they just tell themselves its fake.

>>214046624
I'm not a chud but they're obviously fake as evidenced by how unneeded they were during the plandemic

>>214039751
That excludes your people too. Take this >>214043596 freak back too.

>>214046556
What’s the point of having a good economy if your race goes extinct? I’m sure that the US in its current state has a much higher GDP per capita than it would if the native Americans still lived here. But I’m also sure that they would much rather be poor but actually have a country than be slightly richer and stuck in tiny reservations in the middle of nowhere, that make up only 1% of the population, slowly and inevitably dying out

>>214046167
If you paid them that much your food would cost much more

>>214046271
>They used this tactic in the pre antebellum south as well. How well did it go for their economy, using slaves for the toughest, dumbest work, instead of local southerners?
The south relied on selling cotton to foreign markets while the north had all the steel making industries. They would've won anyways

>>214039834
>By this same logic, you should be celebrating fertility rate declines, since less births mean less labor competition.
Less births does produce higher wages for those currently at working age. That's not the issue with a low birth rate.
The issue there is what happens when it goes on too long and you have a whole generation retiring at once with no other experienced workers to replace them.
Immigration affects low skilled jobs, low birth rates affect all jobs.

>>214047368
>What’s the point of having a good economy
To have access to a lot of a goods and services

>>214039281
cool it with the antisemitism

>>214047570
Immigration is actually a better deal than natural births because no money has to be spent on the childhood/education.
>Immigration affects low skilled jobs, low birth rates affect all jobs.
There are skilled immigrants.

>>214039286
You're going back to Jose

>>214046271
we don't and wont have a perfect or fair economy