Thread 214047746

Remember each of them is the size of 2 Ukrainian oblasts and their population is 6 million COMBINED. They have zero strategic depth and no room for error.

Yes, that's why they're fortifying their border right now already. If there are defensive works there like Ukraine built in Donbas, it'll look just like the fighting in Donbas, except NATO air forces will bomb the shit out of them too.

>>214047746 (OP)
Imagine dying for those countries, jaja, the euros would be able to do it.

>>214047746 (OP)
their entire defence depends on nato and europe
so you should ask if they are ready to fight for them

>>214047945
I should have specified that my question already implies western involvement because their total armed forces equal what Russia recruits every month and obviously wouldn't be enough

>>214047858
>>214048087
btw, NATO intel would pick up troop buildups like before the Ukraine invasion too and would know about their plans too, so there would be no surprises. But obviously it would all depend on NATO standing together.

>>214047746 (OP)
I recall reading the plan is to use the Baltics as a speed bump for Russia. The expectation isn't to hold them off there, it's to buy time for NATO to prepare for a defence and counteroffensive deeper in Europe.

>>214048360
that may have been the plan pre-2022, but things have changed.

>>214048419
What was the general German public opinion about deploying 5000 troops to Lithuania?

>>214048360
That sounds like a very sane approach honestly. Seems like a much longer border to defend than just concentrating them at the polish border

>>214047746 (OP)
Yes.

>>214048558
it didn't resonate that much in public, but if I had to give an estimation it's more positive than negative. Military has become more respected since 2022.

>>214047746 (OP)
my country wouldnt fight for them , they look and behave like russians anyway

>>214048168
>NATO intel
our own glowniggers would be a month ahead of NATO intel on this

>>214049139
>they look and behave
the look white? You Itaniggers have no idea how Estonians behave. You haven't even met one.
>>214049648
US glowies know before Russians even know. US warned about Ukraine invasion in August 2021 already

>>214049707
>You haven't even met one
wrong

https://youtu.be/08n5lhRHIqs

>>214047746 (OP)
Not all of it, but if the ukraine war showed one thing its that modern major cities are fortresses. It would take a long time for someone to crack the baltic capitals, especially since the baltic sea is the EU's Mare Nostrum.

That being said, no way I'm dying for those retards and their small dog syndrome.

>>214049876
lol what a crying bitch, sounds russian af

>>214048637
What if Russia decides to open a second front in Finland instead and march troops to Helsinki, Stockholm, and Copenhagen? They might get blockaded in Skane, but if they can build enough heavy ships at Neva beforehand, they just cross the straits across the Danish islands and open a new front with Germany

>>214050109
they wouldn't get through the Finnish swamps and forests.

It would take a year for a snail to reach the baltic sea from the east, we can assume it takes Russia 5x that time so NATO would have 5 years to defend and prepare

>>214047746 (OP)
> 6 million COMBINED.
46 million*
all the Poles will defend them
i am ready

>>214050109
russia spent last year doing meat wave assaults in order to capture a 50k prewar population town and they still haven't succeeded

>>214050160
But Germans would deny any invasion and call us stupid for warning you until about a day before the invasion, so NATO would actually just have a single day to prepare

>>214050182
>source: Ukrainska pravda

>>214050207
2022 wants its jokes back.
you should keep your mouth shut at this point, we are better allies than you by now.

>>214050207
I'm talking from the point of the invasion. The Russian army moves at about 10% of the speed of a snail and it would take a year for a snail to reach the baltic sea starting from eastern latvia

>>214050109
Finnish defesive strategy is all about stalling Russian invaders for a few days until the rest of Europe intervenes in their help.
Their military doctrine revolves around this single goal so I guess the Russians would face a very tough situation.

>>214047746 (OP)
They will try do their best, no doubt

>>214050182
Yeah but that was against men, this is against nords and poles

>>214050633
ukraine best policy would have been being completely conquered and annexed and corrupt russia from within

>>214047746 (OP)
Lithuanians are indoeuropean giants, the true origin of the Midgard legends, they cuck amerisharts, smirkily condescend scandis, and had poles, germs and russkis seething for centuries. So yes they can.

The other two, though....

>>214047746 (OP)
If Russia attacks with convoys that run out of fuel in 10km then yes it is possible to defend, in fact its even easier then defending in Ukraine since we can just park our HIMARS/Chunmoo and shoot at Russian armor like at ducks.

>>214050657
So even harder for Russians?

>>214047746 (OP)
Why do we even need that shithole though? It wasn't historically Rus, has nothing but rednecks, no valuable resources, no nothing, and is protected by NATO.

>>214050894
Lithuania has warm water ports dumbass

>>214050894
Idk why do you need Ukraine, its not like Russia needs more land or natural resources

>>214050894
>Why do we even need that shithole though?
Vova will find you reasons if he has to, don't worry
Russian opinion on Ukraine also went from "we don't want poorest country in Europe men)))" to "zomg they have 6 trillion dollar rare earths and dunebass industry and oppressed russian minority ili shto"

>>214050946
Still usless for Russia because one its located in the Baltic and two because of Danish straits

>>214051051
By this logic Crimea and all of Black Coast is useless because of Bosphorus

>>214051074
Not really, Russia has way better diplomatic relationship with Turkey then with the rest of NATO

>>214047746 (OP)
They should combine their armed forces into a single Baltic Union Defence Force, drill their people well for Civil Defence and establish mass population transfer corridors into Poland, Germany, France etc., it'll mean investing in railways and highways infrastructure, investing in armored train cars etc.

>>214051139
They still can't reinforce their Black Sea Fleet after it got rekt and pushed out to Novorossiysk and even Abkhazia. Turks buy Russian resources but they aren't retarded to help Russia gain dominance on their doorstep

>>214051154
or they can just invite 20 million Indians to settle in their countries instead

>>214047858
Yeah and the US and western Europe will totally engage Russian forces for sure to protect them even though they're irrelevant in the middle of nowhere frontier despite not being willing to step in to protect a major country right now.

Watch Russia call the bluff and invade with "green men" totally not Russian army and then the Western powers cite the actual text of article 5

>>214051245
Ukraine example shows that all Indians and other browns leave with top priority the moment shtf

>>214050894
holy shit you fuckers make up your mind

>>214051258
Ahhh yes, we will go out of our way to protect Ukraine because of our defensive alliance even tho Ukraine is not in it. Are you actually retarded?

>>214051245
I'm just presenting a defence of the people plan rather than a territorial defence plan, unless of course the ultimate conspiracy of global gay race gynocommunism is to kill the men, empty the territory and fill it with jeets and sandmonkeys and niggers

>>214051258
>cite the actual text of article 5
I fully expect americans to chicken out like they always do when it comes to actually defending someone other than Israel. But the EU has explicit provisions for the defense of the territorial integrity of a member state.

>>214051258
there are NATO troops deployed in the Baltics already, they would be involved in the fighting from day one.

>>214051432
>unless of course the ultimate conspiracy of global gay race gynocommunism is to kill the men, empty the territory and fill it with jeets and sandmonkeys and niggers
Isn't that obvious?

>>214049889
>It would take a long time for someone to crack the baltic capitals, especially since the baltic sea is the EU's Mare Nostrum.

That depends on goals, if we have no goal to keep population for ourselves we would just blow the entire city up

>>214051561
>we will nooook
sure you will.

>>214050894
This
Even if we have to fight them it should be punitive raid with total civilian infrastructure destruction

War of occupation is too costly

>>214051561
that's what you did to pokrovsk but you still can't take it KEK

>>214051599
I didn't say nook

>>214051561
While in theory, I have no doubt Russia could do that. You clearly don't have the ability to do that 'while' fighting on other fronts.
Bombing a city and bombing a city to actual rubble are a world of difference today.
And there are many many more cities in the EU.

the first people who would die would be russians in narva and eastern latvia

>>214051561
Let me ask you something zigger, what even is your country's endgame, you've been buttblasted in Ukraine so hard the entire world is laughing at you, people are even questioning the country's who have been militarily closer to Ziggerland, Iran and India in particular

>>214051676
Tell me. which Ukrainian city(not a village at least 30k population) did Russia blew up in its eternity?

>>214051722
Russians are extremely retarded, they live in a schizophrenic world where pretending manlyness by suffering themselves and causing suffering to others is the most important thing, so they follow like lemmings when their master tells them to kill, destroy and die to have some excitement at the end of his life

>>214051731
bakhmut but it literally took all soviet stockpiles of grad missles and russians can't ever do it again

>>214051765
>, so they follow like lemmings when their master tells them to kill, destroy and die to have some excitement at the end of his life
Sounds like mutts. The golem has many faces it seems.

>>214051722
>you've been buttblasted in Ukraine so hard

Kek
So hard, Ukrainian cemeteries turned to basically towns

>>214051731
We don't bomb them much, Putin is a cuckold

>>214051799
here comes the ossi

>>214051833
isn't kharkiv like mostly russian speaking?

so this is basically 10s thousands of dead russian speakers no? and after the war ukranie will be a 90% ukranian nationalistic ethno state thanks to russians

So when and why is this supposed Russian invasion of NATO territory happening again...?

>>214051833
>Putin is a cuckold
Or he simply don't have enough ammo, which is more probable
>we bought 1mln shells from North Korea just because, its not like we have shortage

>>214051834
Tell me one time mutts didn't jump at thee chance to kill for their masters. You know its true, even if you poles confuse american cock in your ass for your spine.

Dunno but I think the most sensible and logical play here is to drag all Russian civilians out in the streets and beat them, mangle them, and throw them across the border or into the sea.

>>214051834
Most germans despise americans now, its not the 00s anymore. You don't need to love russia for it either.

>>214051833
And I'm sure you have absolutely no combat deaths, zilch, zero, you have absolutely not killed off most of what few white men you had, I'm sure your people are thriving even more so than before, and this war wasn't waged by your Putina to serve his jewish masters like a good goy

>>214051967
Why haven't you done it to Pakis and Jeets then, you little stupid buttslut?

>>214051990
>americans now
lol like the germans always didn't seethe at their masters

>>214051967
Yes, russian civilians live too easy ignoring the warfare, especially compare to Europeans whose economies shrink a lot.

We need entire country to unite and mobilize, 10% of budget on military is a laughable shit. Increase spending on war 5x times, mobilize economy, people, and end this war already you short bottox manlet

>>214050109
Play less paradox map games unc

>>214047746 (OP)
as long as they kill as many ziggers as possible before going down

>>214052087
How do you have potatoe shortage as a food exporter country?
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/05/27/putin-acknowledges-russias-potato-shortage-amid-record-price-increases-a89240

>>214047746 (OP)
it's not. Lithuania has worse army than us and way worse terrain for defense. Lithuania should look to expand and attack, restore the grand duchy or perish!

>>214052068
Don't shit up the thread, we're talking about your shithole being a credible threat (not really), if Brits tolerate little English rosettes kebabed that's their choice

>>214051258
You're basically saying any defensive alliance is worthless

>>214052171
>Oh no, 1kg potato costs $0.8 instead of $0.5

Kek, who gives a shit

>>214052303
Probably every single Russian living paycheck to paycheck.

>>214052328
it's eugenic to starve the potato people.

>>214052303
>50% inflation is nothing
>But EU is going to freeze over 10% inflation

>>214052328
$0.4 for kg

>>214049139
>my country wouldnt fight for them
yeah you would, italian military is currently in Latvia and Estonia on NATO orders

>>214052237
Can't shit up already shitty threads. NATO threads are always some sort of joke.

>>214052386
>50% inflation
On what planet?

>>214052570
0,5 to 0,8 is an increase of how much?

They won't do shit. But I wish they would, they can have Narva back.

>>214050109
One does not simply march through eastern finland
Its our hunting ground for clueless ryssä conscripts

>>214052929
Imagine having to drive a tank column through this. Good luck lol.

>>214051258
why did nato go out of its way to interfere in bosnia? none of the countries involved in that war had anything to do with nato. not to mention kosovo, that was basically a civil war inside of serbia. nato just kinda bombed belgrade because heck it.

but you say a member state would not be defended? so is it a offensive or defensive alliance for you americans?

Baltoids after ww1 be like:
>Independence at last!!! We are freeeeee!!! Thank you allied powers, our eternal friends. Now we finish the job: expel every single German! Seize their businesses! If they resist or refuse to leave, burn them alive in their farm houses! Those cities that Germans built, filled with German universities, hospitals, and schools? Ours now, kill em all, omg so based and redpilled. Thank you, angloids and frogs, our eternal allies, you will never let anything bad happen to us ever again, we will be friends forever I just know it, surely there isn't a big ass country filled with mongoloids who used to own us and wants us back for warm water ports, no that surely won't happen. And surely that big country isn't going through a revolution that will drastically destabilize them and cause them to expand outwards towards their old colonies! Nope, no problems there!

Baltoids after 1991 be like:
>Independence at last!!! We are fre-

Ah fuck it, I can't do it anymore bros. I just don't give a fuck. They deserve everything that happens to them, and I wanna stress that. Even if they maintain their independence this time, they'll just stay a 3rd world shithole filled with only fans whores and future suicides. There is no physical way I could care less about those faggots. I wish them 80 more years of suffering under slavoid rape and ruin. Baltcels are the scum of the earth truly, no other race is as duplicitous.

>>214053647
Life literally becomes a dream when you realize the russoids and entire butthurt belt are not people you should care about. As long as there's enough Russians left to drill oil and Ukrainians left to harvest wheat, they can kill eachother to a man for all I care.
Hating them is too much of a waste of focus, it's like rooting for some RSF over the Sudanese army, it's useless shit one shouldn't care about

>>214054725
That may be true, but you're a Mick, you are literally the niggers of Europe, figuratively in the past and more and more literally

why was i born in this future warzone man
i just want a comfy life
what did i do to deserve this???

>>214054725
Expecting your sorts to improve your political comprehension may be a bit too much, but you can at least try on occasion to recall the "log in your own eye" proverb.

Stupid Irish poster.

>>214053647
>They deserve everything that happens to them,
i don't get it
we deserve all this because we want freedom? Why do our tiny nations wanting freedom trigger you so much?

>>214047746 (OP)
How is it possible? NATO has nukes

>>214047746 (OP)
Yeah Nato has way better air forces and they didn't give Ukraine their best gear, because it's expensive, it's hard to replace, it takes a ton of time to train pilots and they wouldn't want to lose them easily like Ukraine does.

F35 raids would absolutely decimate Russian depots, railroads, bases, convoys. And they couldn't do shit against them.

>>214055125
The word deserve means to serve yourself, what you get is directly proportional to what you do, or in their case, didn't do.
You may know that sinners exist. You may then realize that something must be done. Otherwise consequences.
You've done nothing.
You may think more and realize that you may be incompetent. You then may realize that that flaw must be addresed.
You've still done nothing.
You may realize that in spite of shortcomings, the problem is there. Skill or not, it exists.
You've avoided thinking about it, acknowledging it, acknowledging your personal responsibility - as you bear none, whether from any entrustment of such to you, nor chosen personally by your own will.

Hence, the result is you get what you get. You're irrational to your environment, lacking in virtue and care.

>>214055167
F35 would die to AA systems as easily as any other modern aircraft.

>>214055356
Israel already showed they don't

>>214055442
Truly? I'm a bit out of touch with the events there.
If true that's unlikely to last for long even with conventional approaches.

>>214055469
They can do whatever the fuck they want in Iran and Iran has your s300s. Recently they got the s400 so we'll see if anything changes (it won't)

>>214055549
Arms race never ends, it means little. That's just how it is typically, lose some, advance some. All observing parties shall learn from it and take notes.

>>214055625
The fuck are you gonna do? Drone all the F35's with your little fiber optics cable toys?

>>214054778
>Our previous Taoiseach was Indian
>our healthcare system is propped up by Indians
>increasing amounts of ethnic conflict and crimes based around indians.
I kneel and accept the Indian occupation of Éire saar.
>>214055549
Not to say Russia will wage that much better, but Iran's S3/400s are bound to be significantly gimped for export, and lack the doctrinal and technological ecosystem the S3/400s were developed for to make a proper robust AD net.
>>214055031
Unlike the other pricks Lithuanians are pretty chill, so I'll let you in on a secret, your not going to be invaded.
Even if Russia had the rabid mind to attack NATO, even if they had the equipment, logistics and manpower to fight another war within the next 100 years, even if NATO didn't clearly see them massing an offensive and either preemptively strike or dig in, even if NATO didn't wipe out a force that cannot into combined arms warfare in 2 weeks, even if Moscow didn't get glassed shortly thereafter, America would not pass up the chance to sell arms to NATO members, which by STANAG you are for more set up for than the Ukrainians having to retrofit everything. Why worry about something that isn't going to happen?

>>214055866
Anything that any military research personnel can come up with.
But now that you mention it, smart and fast jet drones with sector kill equipment aren't particularly hard to create.
Also keep in mind that F-35 was actually based on a seriously reworked soviet prototype.

You folks keep on doing this take-a-side bravado, but you don't sound like you appreciate engineering challenges, or sheer variety of military equipment made thus far. Russian 2ch posters are exactly the same. You're a boring and unimaginative tribalist, just like them.

>>214055963
Given putler's strategic brilliance thus far, you're more likely to start catapulting russian men towards the F35. Because that's all you have left anymore: meat.

>>214048168
>btw, NATO intel would pick up troop buildups like before the Ukraine invasion too and would know about their plans too, so there would be no surprises
Correct, USA knew 6 months minimum before the invasion happened, I would even go so far and say that USA knows everything that is happening in the Kremlin and where Putin is 24/7

>>214051258
>Watch Russia call the bluff and invade with "green men"
the whole point of green men is to deny that theyre russian so if they are not russian officially then theres no problem rolling them up into a pack and smoking them, russia is not even involved in that conflict bro