Thread 214077481

45,000 Spanish men fought for Nazi Germany as volunteers despite Spain being neutral.

Even after Franco ordered them all to return to Spain when it was clear the war was lost and he was trying to butter up to the Allies, 3,000 of them refused and fought to the absolute end.

>>214077481 (OP)
Yeah? Falangism is just a different flavor of fascism. Francoist Spain was under heavy sanctions after the war.

They were probably agitated by all the death happening around them

>>214077481 (OP)
Germany would have won WWII if Spain had been its main european ally instead of shitaly

>3,000 of them refused and fought to the absolute end.
Spainbros... you are truely the most loyal ally

>>214077481 (OP)
It would be funny if those 3000 were the brownest ones

>>214077680
>a country on it's knees both economically and socially after 4 years of brutal civil war would have totally helped Germany win the war bro

Well, Spain was a dictatorship at the time, so it was obvious that Spain was on the side of Nazi Germany.

During WWII over 5,000 Kalmyks, the only ethnically Mongolic Buddhist people living in Europe joined the Wehrmacht as volunteers. They were known as the Kalmyk Cavalry Corps, or in German the Kalmücken Kavallerie Korps, officially shortened and known by the acronym the KKK.

>>214078101
And they got deported to Siberia for that.

>>214078132
>I am going to deport 100,000 Kalmyks including women and children to Siberia, killing many of them on the way, because of the actions of 5,000. Even more Kalmyks fought and died fighting for me in the Red Army? Fuck them too, deport the survivors.

What the fuck was his problem?

>>214078214
He was Georgian

In a World War II strategy game for smartphones, Spain was on the Axis side, and I was the only one who managed to complete the game as Spain.
It's a difficult game, but while Germany is fighting Britain to the north, the Soviet Union and Poland to the east, and France to the west, they invade Portugal, and while France is using its forces against Germany, Spain pincers France and Germany from the west.
Portugal is a neutral country, so they didn't attack Spain.

>>214078285
The modern Toyotomi Hideyoshi...

>>214078214
Just to be safe :)
The deported ethnic minorities were officially referred to as “unsafe peoples”.

>>214078349
The fact that there are still people in academia and positions of power who defend that totalitarian nightmare state and aren't immediately chased out like they would be if they were Neo-Nazis is insane

>>214078285
I was wrong. If Spain had sandwiched France together with Germany, they could have invaded France in no time.

>>214077481 (OP)
Spain should have been incorporated to the III Reich and Franco being executed for torturing/killing noble animals (wolfs, bulls, etc).

>>214078285
World Conqueror 3 - WW2 Strategy?

>>214078398
The Soviets denounced him too. That’s why there’s only the Lenin mausoleum (there used to be one for Stalin too).

>>214078461
Western commies don’t

>>214078560
The average Russian is kinda opposite. They consider Stalin to be the only based Soviet leader.

More Dutch people died fighting in the Eastern Front than during the German invasion of the Netherlands

>>214077481 (OP)
The Waffen SS were one of the most diverse military organizations in history

>>214078345
What do you mean?
The game is difficult, but the only time I was able to complete it was as Spain.
If Spain had been on the Axis side, would Germany have won the war?
They would have been able to contain France in the west, and Britain in the north.
If Spain had contained France and Britain, Germany would have been able to concentrate its military efforts on the east rather than the west.
One of the reasons Nazi Germany lost during World War II was because it expanded its front lines too much, to the west, east, and Africa.
When Japan started war with the United States, there was no need for Nazi Germany to declare war on the United States, but because Hitler was a madman, Nazi Germany declared war on the United States as well.

>>214078455
yes.

Japan was afraid of the Soviet Union.
So when Nazi Germany attacked the Soviet Union, japanese governmentat the time apparently wondered if it was sane.
Basically, the Soviet Union was a dictatorship just like Nazi Germany, and Stalin wanted to be friends with Hitler, but both Nazi Germany and Hitler were anti-communist, so Nazi Germany advanced on the Soviet Union.
Nazi Germany's blitzkrieg gained territory frighteningly quickly, and it came right up to Moscow, but the Soviet Union relied on human wave tactics to hold out the fighting until winter, and the cold winter and the Soviet human wave tactics caused Nazi Germany to rapidly retreat.
What Russia is doing in Ukraine now is a short-term battle like Nazi Germany's blitzkrieg, right?

>>214078705
>If Spain had been on the Axis side, would Germany have won the war?
France already fell easily enough without Spain, they weren't their problem. Had Spain joined the Axis all that would have changed is more bodies for the Eastern front meatgrinder and more targets for British bombs and land to occupy post war. The real difference maker would have been if Turkey joined the Axis.

>>214077481 (OP)
just repaying for the condor legion

>>214079699
Although the United States was neutral until the attack on Pearl Harbor, it was providing lend-lease to the Soviet Union.
The US imposed economic sanctions on Japan and the attack on Pearl Harbor were turning points in World War II.
At the time, America apparently thought that Japan had launched a surprise attack without declaring war, but in fact translation was delayed and the declaration of war did not reach America. So, in reality, the Empire of Japan attacked Pearl Harbor after the declaration of war, but America apparently thought that Japan had launched a surprise attack without declaring war.
So, thinking that Japan had launched a surprise attack, America became serious about the war.
Once the United States entered World War II, it instantly became the world's largest military power.
The moment the United States joined the Allied Powers in World War II, the defeat of the Axis powers was certain.

>>214078398
Winners are not judged.

>>214078214
>What the fuck was his problem?
No problem anymore.

>>214080248
Communists lost though

>>214080152
People complain about the worthless Italian ass but real let down in the war was Japan.
Japan was supposed to attack Russia from the east and not bringing USA into the war while avoiding the sovjets. Japan lost the war for all of us.

>>214077481 (OP)
germans fought in the spanish civil war before

>>214077481 (OP)
>>214078101
DIVERSITY IS OUR STRENGTH
>>214078665
Wehrmacht yeah, more diverse than ISIS, SS not so much

>>214080487
Japan was at war with China before the outbreak of World War II and up until World War II.
When the United States imposed economic sanctions on Japan, it ran out of oil to fight China, and since there was no oil in the north at the time, Japan had no choice but to attack the south.
However, to the south of Japan were British, American, and Dutch territories.
When the United States started war with Japan, Germany did not need to declare war on the United States, but Hitler did declare war on the United States as well.

>>214080487
They got their shit kicked in at Khalkhin Gol and the US escalated on their own before the DOW. Shouldn't have split forces and attacked Moscow but yeah whatevs

This cowardly Nazi with glasses was the one who primarily led the massacre of the Jews, and he personally ordered the executions of enemy forces, but apparently he felt sick when he was present at the actual executions.
The morphine-loving fat guy on the right was the head of the Nazi German Air Force, but he was unable to take down Britain, so Nazi Germany changed its focus and advanced on the Soviet Union, which was probably the reason Nazi Germany was defeated.

>>214077481 (OP)
And they were the most condecorated foreign army during all the WWII. With the extreme difficulty that they sent to the Eastern Front with -20C temperatures.
Funny thing is that also Spaniard liberated Paris from the nazis. "La Nueve"
We are the best everywhere we go.

Main Decorations Awarded to the Blue Division (250th Infantry Division, Spanish volunteers)

Iron Cross, 1st Class (Eisernes Kreuz I. Klasse) – awarded to over 100 officers and soldiers.

Iron Cross, 2nd Class (Eisernes Kreuz II. Klasse) – awarded to more than 2,000 men.

Knight’s Cross of the Iron Cross (Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes) – awarded to Ltn. Alfredo Esteban-Infantes Martín and other prominent officers.

German Cross in Gold (Deutsches Kreuz in Gold) – awarded to several Spanish officers for exceptional bravery in combat.

Infantry Assault Badge (Infanterie-Sturmabzeichen) – received by many for repeated participation in direct assaults.

Eastern Front Medal (Medaille Winterschlacht im Osten 1941/42) – the “Russian Front Medal,” given to all who endured the harsh winter campaign of 1941–42.

Wound Badge (Verwundetenabzeichen) – awarded in Black, Silver, and Gold according to severity of wounds.

Notable German Officers’ Praise for the Blue Division

Field Marshal Wilhelm von Leeb (Army Group North):
“The Spaniards are splendid soldiers. They attack with unparalleled courage and hold their positions with extraordinary tenacity.”

Generaloberst Georg von Küchler (Commander, Army Group North):
“The Spanish volunteers have shown themselves to be among the best infantry on the Eastern Front. Their discipline and bravery are beyond question.”

General der Infanterie Ernst Busch (16th Army):
“The Blue Division has fought with a heroism that deserves the admiration of the German Army and of history itself.”

Field Marshal Günther von Kluge:
“Few troops can equal the Spanish in their ability to resist under the most adverse conditions. Their spirit is indomitable.”

>>214077680
Spain was in no position whatsoever to do anything during WW2. They'd have lost if they tried to invade Portugal. The Civil War completely decimated them and it took decades to recover.

>>214077997
well,at least they weren't that much of incompetent assholes and traitors like you guys

>>214081699
>>214077481 (OP)
Additional Praises for the Blue Division

German officer’s remark about their appearance:
“If you see a soldier poorly dressed, with worn-out boots and a scruffy uniform, stand to attention, because you are in front of a Spanish hero.”

Common saying among German troops on the Eastern Front:
“We are proud to fight side by side with the Spaniards. They never abandon their comrades and never retreat without orders.”

Testimony from a Wehrmacht report (1942):
“The Spanish Division has earned the respect of the German soldier. Their spirit of camaraderie and their disregard for comfort make them exemplary allies.”

Remark attributed to a German general after Krasny Bor (February 1943):
“The courage shown by the Spaniards equals the highest traditions of any army. Their sacrifice will forever remain an honor for those who fought beside them.”

>>214081738
>They'd have lost if they tried to invade Portugal
You overestimate our power. If we hadn't been bitchboys we would have walked into Olivença while they had their little war to "protect it"

Spanish soldiers fought against the USSR in what is today Russian territory. The USSR started the war in Europe together with Germany, committing genocides similar to those of the Germans, only in the Gulags. The Spaniards did a great job. It’s a pity that the Germans hated the Poles, Polish soldiers would have been better off fighting like the Spaniards, as they might have avoided the fate of the Polish officers murdered by the USSR in Katyn. It’s just that the Nazis were racists and barbarians, and their fate was to lose, as befits fools. The USSR won, and later Russia emerged, which to this day continues to cause chaos in the world.

>>214081828
The USSR didn't start WW2, it was the Germans and the British. The Soviets only ever defended themselves.

>>214081853
They were friends and started the war; they had the Ribbentrop–Molotov Pact.

>>214082080
>–
Oh, I'm talking to a bot. Whatever.

>>214082139
The Japanese were also only defending themselves against the USA, and then their civilians were bombed with the atomic bomb.

We (on the other side with the Republicans) also liberated Paris from the nazis. We also helped the frenchies too.

Imagine we did this with 45-50.000 volunteers ....imagine if we had sent 300.000 soldiers. History could have been different.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Nueve

The 9th Company's most notable military accomplishment was its important role in the Liberation of Paris. Men of La Nueve were the first to enter the French capital on the evening of 24 August 1944,[5][6] with half-tracks bearing the names of the Spanish Civil War battles of Teruel and Guadalajara, and accompanied by engineering personnel and three tanks, Montmirail, Champaubert and Romilly, from the 501e Régiment de chars de combat.[2][7]

The same ones fought in Normandy at Utah beach. The company's anarchists revealed their courageous character during this battle, as one mortar unit carried out a coup de main attack 3 km behind German lines on 14 August, taking 130 German prisoners,[4] capturing 13 vehicles and liberating 8 Americans.[19]

>>214082574
On 12 September, the company distinguished itself in the capture of Andelot, during which 300 German soldiers were taken prisoner.

La Nueve entered into Strasbourg, the last big French city under occupation, on 23 November.[31] On 1 January 1945, Captain Raymond Dronne paid his respects to his troops in a letter:[12]

The Spanish have fought remarkably. They are tricky to command but have a great deal of courage and combat experience. Some of them are experiencing a clear moral crisis due to the losses we've suffered and above all to the events in Spain.

The 2nd Armored Division was relieved of active duty at the end of February for fifty days of rest, in the Châteauroux region.[32] At the end of April they resumed combat, fighting until the capture of the Eagle's Nest, on 5 May in Berchtesgaden. By this time, the losses suffered by La Nueve had reached 35 dead and 97 wounded. No more than 16 Spaniards were left active in La Nueve,[33] with many having been assigned to other units in the French army. At the end of the war, a few followed Leclerc to Indochina, several left with armoured vehicles in the direction of Francoist Spain, while others returned to civilian life. Many refused the French citizenship offered to them for having fought within the French army, feeling "betrayed" by the Allies who did not take up the cause against fascism in Spain.[3

More than fifty members of the company received the Croix de Guerre.

Aftermath and tributes
The role of these Spanish soldiers was quickly forgotten, or omitted for political reasons. This has been changing in the 21st century, however, as their role in the liberation of France, especially of Paris, has been highlighted by a series of commemorations.

>>214082513
Trvke

>>214081853
>attacking five different independent nations in a row is self-defense o algo

>>214078740
Based, my brother in Amaterasu.

>>214080152
If we did not receive the declaration it doesn’t count hirohito

>>214077789
Bros forever
Through thick and thin
picrel, a cemetary close to my hometown where german soldiers of ww2 are buried