Thread 214086354

thank god this nightmare is gone

>>214086354 (OP)
this but unironicaly

I can tell when someone from this region is talking with me (very smart)

>>214086354 (OP)
Why do you give love a damn? You weren't even a part of it.

ussr was evil because going from the most backward country in Europe where peasants farmed the land using wooden ploughs, to a spacefaring super power that guaranteed free healthcare, university education, housing and jobs to every one of its citizens.

>>214086354 (OP)
>almost all nations are run by traitors, sell-outs, globalists, socialists or technocrats
One nightmare ends, another begins. Rejoice.

>>214086516
warsaw pact was next door
you had plans to make whole europe radioactive wasteland and then invade everything

>>214086604
Are there any people in Croatia who miss Yugoslavia? Like boomers and such

>>214086774
yes but there are some that hate it

>>214086354 (OP)
unfortunately pussia is still around

>>214086912
theres a yugo festival hosted by the communist party of austria in graz

>>214086774
Not so many people as in Serbia, Bosnia or Slovenia.

>>214086912
>>214086945
Hard for me to imagine living in a country where communist symbols and ideology aren't banned

The USSR after 1948 was objectively more pro-White than Britain, France and West Germany which were flooded by biological trash from the third world by traitorous capitalists elites and jews.

You can cope but it's true. NatSocs like Otto Erns Remer and Povl Riis-Knudsen also recognised this.

>>214087069
>hard to imagine living in a non-nazi non-totalitarian non-shithole, where they don't name streets after nazi criminals who fought for Germans in ww2

>>214087472
How does it feel to have a statue of the greatest slayer of russians in ever public square of your country?

>>214087472
ngl ussr was pretty cucked, considering what marx and engels thought about slavs and russians

>>214086354 (OP)
Do people really hate being in the URSS though? :3

>>214087631
He killed much less Russians than Bandera and Zelensky killed Ukrainians, lmao. In ww2 alone 7-8 mln Ukies were gone.

>>214087964
>In ww2 alone 7-8 mln Ukies were gone.
You can thank your most beloved soviet overlord and his brilliant decision-making for dooming those millions.

>>214088254
>resisting nazism is le bad
Not true hitla and his dogs like Bandera would have exterminated all the Slavs and even Lithuanians cause no Aryan enough for Hitla's ideals.

>>214088407
>>resisting nazism is le bad
Didn't say or imply that. OUN/UPA fought against both. Nazism and communism are but different flavors of the same totalitarianism.

>>214088487
All political systems are totalitarian dumbass

>>214088487
Not that OUN/UPA fought for the dame ideology as nazism and we're totalitarian, lol. The modern ukraine is totalitarian, yiy can't even leave the country as a male.

>Ideology
>Ukrainian nationalism
>Anti-communism
>Anti-Polish sentiment

>Anti-Russian sentiment
>Anti-German sentiment
>Antisemitism
>Factions
>Left-wing nationalism
So basically, ukie nazis wanted a mixture of the nazi Gernany and USSR, but without Poles, Russians and Jews.
It's literally the same as what Hitla wanted for Germans.

>>214088593
No

>>214088675
Stop bullshitting. OUN/UPA weren’t carbon copies of the nazis, sure, they were nationalist and anti-communist, yet they literally fought both the nazis and soviets, even at the same time. You think anyone in the region was particularly exited to be stuck between you and the Germans?

>modern Ukraine is totalitarian
Meds

>>214086604
"Oceania was at war with Eurasia: therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia. The enemy of the moment always represented absolute evil, and it followed that any past or future agreement with him was impossible."
Amiriteeeee?
Nice agitprop, lad. Blue team did it as much as Red team. They both still do.

>>214086354 (OP)
>reads all your chats and requires an ID to use the internet
EU niggas, the Soviets literally had less government control than this

>>214088921
>ideology based on hatred of Poles, Russians and Jews and that killed millions of Ukrainians while trying to establish the Ukrainian ethno-state isn't le totalitarian, I said!!!! REEEEEEE

>>214088921
Meds aren't needed, he just needs to read actual terminology for once.
It's like misuse of the term "dictatorship" as a synonym of "зa вcё плoхoe пpoтив вceгo хopoшeгo".
Or that particular USSR/post-USSR equalization of fascist and nazi.
So tiresome.

>>214089180
Thankfully for all these gibbering EU, USA, RF and China posters, all these entities start to implement similar control practices.
Except maybe social credit, but at least in Russia some Duma chuckfucks did consider it not too long, I think?
Digital concentration camps for everyone!

>>214089187
Primary tenet of totalitarianism is total control, Anon-kun.
Hence the total- part. Hatred isn't a factor.

>>214089258
If the EU implements it to the level they plan to, it will collapse the union, perhaps not immediately, but in a span of a few years it will go down, you can't try to go for total surveillance of all communications in the internet age and expect to not hang for that, lmao Yoorsola and her cronies are the textbook examples of detached from reality bureaucrats

>>214089187
>>214089202
Perhaps you should stop conflating your headcanon with historical facts, anon. I highly recommend you read "Victory or death: Ukrainian liberation movement 1939-1960" by Dr. Ivan Patrilyak

>>214089465
You talk to two people, amigo.
It can be a neat read if it's not blatant agenda, if nothin' else, so thanks, I guess.

>>214089464
I'd say that's a skill issue. There are many ways to implement all sorts of it. It is already here. In a manner of speaking 4chan itself is totally under control. Archives exist, entities with ISP register list can spy a bit. One can get only some data this way, but glowniggers do work together on international scale.
Internet is a trap.

>>214089534
Then fuck off then, you unfortunate byproduct of snokhachestvo

Qrd?

>>214089693
Talking to others like they've just killed your dog out of the left field is pretty rude.
Especially since you two >>214088675 and >>214088921 dorks probably don't really care about or understand the people you seemingly invest so much emotions into.
You're clearly not smart for that, otherwise you wouldn't even have this discussion at all.

>>214089632
Do you see what's happening in the UK? Ofcom is entirely deciding what content is appropriate for viewing and what isn't if you don't reveal your identity. That's not honeypotting the way 4chan is, it's active control of information flow and identification. It's a new level, and it's a slippery slope.

>>214086354 (OP)
They were the only counterbalance to neoliberal hell emerging in the West. If that meant eternal communist hell in the East, then that's the price to be paid
>>214089180
i wish instead of the "YOU VILL ACCEPT 5 BILLION REFUGEES AND OVERT REGULATION OR YOU GET NO MORE OF ZE GIBS!!!" German autism, we got the chill "were invading USSR. Logistics? Winter clothing? Nah, fuck it, we ball, just live off the land or some shit idk lol" German autism. I could be shot for criticising Austria with a smile on my face at least then.
>>214089632
The internet has led to complete breakdown in insurrection because groups are monitored far more than they realize. Honestly these things might be good, it would alert the normgroid that the internet should not be a forum you speak in but a encyclopedia you get information off. Groups like the IRB were made of 11 people and nobody could be allowed on without unanimous agreement from the other 10. You can grow after that, but that is how small a group must organise as if it wishes to evade detection.

>>214089180
The EU is especially bad, but increased government size and control is a general problem all across the western world, and some nonwestern countries like China. We are at the point where there are libertarians who support absolute monarchy because 17th century absolute monarchs exerted less control over our lives than modern liberal democracies.

>>214089314
Try to establish an ethno-state without total control, kek.

>>214090104
>Logistics?
it was just boxes of meth, and thankfully this german spirit still lives on in some parts of Berlin and Frankfurt, unironically cocaine and speed abuse in Germany is currently higher than ever, german zoomies be like "i dont drink or smoke" but they drink monster and do blow more than previous generations combined, it's their subconscious coping with what the women from the Green party have done to them, they're finally getting in touch with the spirit of their grandpa
>criticising Austria
for what? unlike the hellhole to the north of them, austrians unironically have it all pretty nicely sorted, just a bunch of chuds in the mountains, hard to find anything against them. their english is hilarious, get indo ze choppa

>>214086354 (OP)
It was SOVL

>>214087069
That's basically every country in the world except a select few of them.

>>214091394
It's basically only butthurt beaters who banned communist ideology and USSR symbols.

>>214090451
Total control in the extreme, and ethno-state is such a silly term. A state's a state.
If a select ethnic group is sufficiently mature that they can coalesce into a state, the state establishes itself. One doesn't need to get inside people's heads to make such structures or impose byzantine ideological, only a common ground and agreement.

>>214086354 (OP)
GIBS

>>214091706
Nah, to create and sustain an ethno-state, you need to:

1) get rid of all or most foreigners
2) keep the borders closed, so no new foreigners could come to your ethno-state and no representatives of your precious ethnicity could emigrate
3) ban inter-ethnic marriage to prevent mongrelization
4) enforce people to breed via repressive measures like banning childlessness after the age of 25, for example

All of that can only be done by a totalitarian system.

>>214086354 (OP)
I kind of miss them frankly. The U.S was a much better place when they were around because we felt more motivation and had more national unity. I hate them, but we really need a serious peer or rival in order for us to get our shit together as a country, a yin/yang sort of thing.

>>214092055
Assumptions on an impure base.
>1) get rid of all or most foreigners
1)Why would there be any? What time period, era, cultural and technological level? In practice one still doesn't need totalitarian rulership system for this, it's a practical issue.
2)Same as in 1, and why the borders are open in the first place? No reasonable and smart kingdom was ever chummy with foreigners in their area.
3)Same as in 1 and 2. Plus you still get internal mongrelization, as you don't quite have "pUrE" people even in the same human stock. Not quite how humans work. Plus one can leave, core population can change or mutate, etc.
4)Same as in 1, 2, 3. Plus absolutely ABYSMAL rulership, not organic, not just, a ridiculous vanity piece, utterly incompetent it is to breed people like horses.

The key issues here are:
1)Why are you basing an ethno-state concept as a derivative in opposition to other states, when normal state creation process is:
>tribe makes a nation, nation is naturally an organic ethno-state
2)Why are you not thinking about any other strategies?
3)Why do you assume ethnicity itself is ultimately immutable?
4)Why do you think ethnicity can only be enforced? Do you have no faith in your population? Well, you're not a ruler then.
5)Do you perhaps think one can't make a multi-ethnic ethno-state?

>>214092105
If your nation cannot stand without a rival, it won't last.
And both Yin and Yang can actually exist separately, as they are both perfect, and can do things each other can.

Holy fucking shit fuck Ukraine

>>214092246
Don't ask me all of this, I'm not a supporter of a Ukrainian ethnostate. I'm just telling you how their logics work. And the goals they want can only be achieved through a totalitarian state.


>Do you perhaps think one can't make a multi-ethnic ethno-state?
Ukrainian nazis wanted to get rid of Poles, Russians and Jews, how do you think it can be done in a "democratic state"? Only totalitarian state is able of mass deportation, genocide and/or ethnic cleansing. That's why I don't believe in the concept that Israel, USA, EU counties and ukraine are democracies.

>>214086354 (OP)
We all Japanese hope Chinese Communist Party collapse like the Soviet Union.

>>214092566
Retard cope, Inner Mongolia and "Manchuria" are 90% Han Chinese. Even if Tibet and Xinjiang were separated from China it would still have 1.2 billion Han Chinese and would be basically as strong as it is now

Retard

>>214092461
Ukraine is not an ethnostate and does not take any optimal strategies to become one such state.
Ukraine is not even a normal state.
It was a partially corrupt state at the start in 90's, that laid the foundation for more efficient corruption entrenchment.
It became increasingly corrupt in 2000's with the Orange Revolution, when Yushenko's wife was an actual unironic US glowie, but it still was a state.
It became more corrupt still with Yanukovich, and it was a state at odds with both Russians, the West, UK (naturally) and globalists in particular. When Russians did not take any overt actions to counter Maidan events, and internal Ukraine forces did not succeed at protecting the one chance to retain the country on course of at least stable preceding corruption, Ukraine became an mafia front.

Eventually it became a de-facto unruly "vassal", run by swindlers who have committed a MMM tier sleight of hand tactic on nation-wide scale to redirect and sublimate what in any other case would've been a full civil war into Russian vs Ukraine conflict (incl. partially due to Russia not taking any military action against Ukraine earlier, assuming they even could).
Ukraine is a partially an illusion of a state. Its political circle pursues only its own interests, its population at irrational odds with each other, and no amount of conflicting commonalities they have has any actual power bar radical violent elements and what passes for state forces.

Same elements are actually killing the Ukraine and continuously decrease any chance at at least repairing it, masking somebody else's intent to destroy stillborn and non-existent Ukrainian sovereignty with promises of its birth.

It's not a totalitarian ethno-state, it's a contested resource extraction corporation that wears national idea like a skinsuit that to some, especially to agitprop makers, appears or can be fashioned as fascist/totalitarian/insert boogeyman here.

>>214092771
Smartest post I've read on /int/

>>214086354 (OP)
China is basically a better version of them

>>214092286
>If your nation cannot stand without a rival, it won't last.
The U.S has stood alone plenty of times throughout its history (especially pre-1945). Same with Russia, who has always been fiercely independent and ambitious.
I'm just saying I think the Cold War ending got us too high on our own farts to the point of insanity.

>>214092702
Hi Zhang,
When you say with the Canadian flag, be impartial.

>>214094259
Of-course, but that U.S. back then isn't the U.S. now, and the U.S. now isn't any of any potential U.S. in the future. Same goes for any other country.
Seeing as nations such as ours cannot be easily destroyed from outside without superior means, they are attacked from within, and so the future starts to look uncertain again, whether or not the nation will withstand this turn of history.
But that too is routine to any country's life process.
As for the Cold War, you're correct. This opinion is shared here too.

>>214094394
>As for the Cold War, you're correct. This opinion is shared here too.
There's actually a pretty great article that was published last year that got a lot of discussion here that compared the situation of the U.S to that of the USSR in the early 1980s. It's obviously not a 1:1 comparison but I thought it brought up a lot of great points, and it generated a lot of heated debate/discussion when it was published:
https://www.thefp.com/p/were-all-soviets-now

>>214092105
it's pretty sad that people unironically think this way
the reason why you correlate these two is because ussr put pressure on the western elites to give concessions to the working class to curb the spread of communism
it all started getting rolled back after the us got a comfortable lead in the cold war
when ussr fell, the true war against the working class began like the mass immigration in every single western country, all sorts of rollbacks and deregulations

>>214095310
Appreciate it, buddy.

>>214092702
Look at this chink
Lol
LMAO
So patriotic outside of his retarded shithole, WOW

>>214089465
wtf get back to the frontline you fucking draftdodger

>>214086354 (OP)
They could have been as powerful as China.

>>214095373
>the reason why you correlate these two is because ussr put pressure on the western elites to give concessions to the working class to curb the spread of communism
It actually happened before then during a period in the U.S known as the New Deal, but yeah that continued until about the mid-1970s when the U.S started on the neoliberal meme track it's been stuck on ever since.
>the true war against the working class began like the mass immigration in every single western country, all sorts of rollbacks and deregulations
It started in the U.S in the mid-1960s with sweeping reforms to the immigration system under LBJ. In Europe (France, Germany, and UK especially) it started after decolonization and in Germany's case it was due to serious labor shortages from WWII deaths that brought in Italians, Yugoslaivans, Greeks, and Turks. But it for sure picked up in the 1980s, most infamously with the Reagan amnesty in the U.S.
>it's pretty sad that people unironically think this way
I get why you'd think that given your country is basically still in the Cold War much like SK or Taiwan, but for places like the U.S or Russia there's a lot of genuine nostalgia for the period because we were on top of the world back then. Americans worship the 50s and the 80s while the Russians worship the 60s and 70s.

>>214087704
The early communists, including Lenina also constantly shitted on Russians overall. They hated Russians and Russian identity.

>>214096557
True. Lenin and other Bolshevik retards created ukraine and belarus.

Humanity shall never see a Warlord like him

>>214096694
>never see a Warlord like him
Already has seen several worse than him, he was just the last really crazy one that succeeded

>>214095373
>>214095931
>ussr put pressure on the western elites to give concessions to the working class to curb the spread of communism
The explanation I heard is that working class issues were more important around the 30s-60s to recover from the great depression and prevent the spread of communism, then we started to decline around the 70s with the rise of neoliberalism/neoconservatism (and hart-cellar act), then accelerated during the 80s with the Reagan revolution, which switched the center of the economic system from workers to consumers, and was then used as an excuse to offshore manufacturing to provide cheaper goods for the consumer, conveniently ignoring how it crushed the working class especially in the rustbelt.

Its funny how leftists who are supposed to be the pro-working class faction are repeating this same neoliberal excuse against tariffs about how we need cheap goods and consumerism.

the USSR was unironically the best thing to ever happen to humanity

>>214096951
>Its funny how leftists who are supposed to be the pro-working class faction are repeating this same neoliberal excuse against tariffs about how we need cheap goods and consumerism
That's because the left abandoned the working class in the 60s as a result of the rise of the Frankfurt School and New Left, who were ironically pushed by the CIA as a distraction and the KGB because they saw them as useful idiots.