Thread 214162897

Are they European?

Technically even Türkiye is Europe

no but aside from azerbaijan they are the lightest middle easterners along with pontics because of caucasus hunter mixture.

>>214162953
You are genetically more Middle-Eastern than me, if you don’t count Anatolia as Europe

>>214162897 (OP)
They are simply their own thing

>>214162897 (OP)
Georgia: some land in europe, happens to be christian, high iq population, kind of white skinned. Im saying yes
Armenia: no land in europe, christian, retarded population, brown. No
Azerb: some land in europe, muslim but in practice irreligious, slightly retarded population, brown. No

Something off about that map...

>>214163008
You’re not the arbiter of Whiteness though. what you greaseballs consider “kind of white skinned” is brown in actual White countries

>>214162897 (OP)
I don't know but their languages are insane, waaaay too many syllables and consonant clusters

>>214163008
>high iq population

>>214162979
yes but without euro hunter gatherer admixture it isn't really european in the same way. Georgians and Armenians do have light skinned brunette type phenotypes and with people who have some colored eyes too but it isnt really the same as being european racially or culturally.

but you aren't middle eastern either.

azerbaijanis are Iranians who were turkified with minor amounts of converted Armenian and Caucasus admixture, with islamized persian influenced culture. If they remapined caucasian albania without persian colonization and islamization they would be racially basically the same as you and armenians and culturally the same but they got ethnically destroyed.

>>214162897 (OP)
nah

>>214163069
Sasha, calm down you nerdy twink

>>214163107
Bruh, 60+% of your dna is CHG + ANF.
the brown Cheddar man WHG is not what defined your whiteness and europeanness

>>214162897 (OP)
What’s the point of being European now when they have been fucked over by the US and Russia. Unless they make a reform and change there’s no point.
It’s literally Russia #2 at this point just with liberal fascism. Although with Russia everything is clear for everyone to see.
Pic not related just amusing.

>>214163719
when will you disencode the chudness from your language ?

No clue but my observation is that for some reason georgians are lighter of skin and less nafri looking than azeris and armenians

North kavkazoids also look somewhat fair but there is some ambiguous turkic-looking dagis i noticed
Thats what i gather

>>214163773
>disencode the chudness
sounds like something a twitter intern would write during a stroke

>>214162897 (OP)
Bloodline only

>>214162897 (OP)
Armenia despite being Christian gives off very Middle Eastern vibes and Georgia gives off very Eastern European vibes. Azerbaijan feels sort of in between

>>214163804
>new words too spicy
that’s how I know you’re NPC

>>214162979
The difference is that Georgians are entirely composed of non-European genetic components.

>>214165454
see >>214163456

>>214165501
See

>>214165553
>almost 50% Caucanatolian
>see
You proved my point

>>214165553
whiteness = EHG
it's not even a controversial topic. The Bagration dynasty was the carrier of haplogroup Q, and Shervashidze were R1a Z93
both probably descendants of Scythian-Sarmatian nomads.

>>214162924
literally definitionally anatolia is asia since the concept of continents was invented. Culturally and historically they have strong links with europe tho

>>214163008
Both Georgia and Armenia are pretty retarded. If you call anybody high IQ there, it should be Armenians because in Eastern Europe and the USA they have the reputation of discount Jews. Where the fuck you got the high IQ Georgians meme from?

>>214165713
>>214165607

>>214165713
Bagrationis before Tamar were I2 balkanoids, David Soslan really was a kypchak Q steppenigga.
>Sherbashidze
Mogged by Dadianis throughout the history

>>214165726
The whole premise is flawed, that’s the point

>>214165729
Not as hyperintellectual as jews, but we do have our humble scores

>>214165850
>Bagrationis before Tamar were I2 balkanoids
Lmao, Balkan I2(L621) has Slavic origin from the area of modern Belarus, although I doubt that there was Slavic I2 there, probably there is a line connected with Ukraine HG and Yamnaya.
>David Soslan really was a kypchak Q steppenigga.
Turkic Q comes from the Srubnaya culture, and is actually of Sarmatian origin.

>>214166000
I haplo is ultimately a subclade of IJ and a twin of all the J.
It’s a paleoeuropean haplo
But yeah, Q ultimately an ANE haplo

>>214163456
>the brown Cheddar man WHG is not what defined your whiteness and europeanness
Whiteness is pretty cringe, women like darker cocks not pink ones unless they are mentally ill.
WHG cock is the primary source of European genetic identity.
Btw there was a recent genetic study about George during the Bronze Age, a lot of the samples had haplogroup I2 of a clade distantly related to Danish hunter gatherers. Even ancient pale Georgian women liked dark European meat.

>>214166167
I think the ancestral Q for the Bagration dynasty will eventually be found in the horizon of the Srubnaya culture, then the statements about the Alan origin of their dynasty will have every reason to be true.

>>214162924
Europe doesn’t have its own plate thoughever

>>214166393
>the Alan origin
>origin
nigga, it’s a graft at best

I'm not sure, they seem like a more violent and oriental version of the Balkans.

>>214165850
>>214166000
I2 Kurgan elite found on the steppes moved to Caucasus. Slavs don't descend from them, but a portion of caucasians do.
Had the culture that spawned the greeks and armenians been more succesful in the west we'd have a multi-layered WHG resurgence and a real identity. It's the forest dwelling northern counterparts who won, unfortunately.

This is what Georgian women want. Admittedly the EHG males who impregnated CHG women looked something between this and a Mexican because of their ANE ancestry but they were definitely darker than the snow-white Circassian maidens, hence why PIE themselves were dark.

>>214166442
rather, it is simply a fact of the elite position of Indo-Europeans, including in Caucasian society.

>>214166175
Yes that is why Arab and Black men are fucking all the Finnish women.

>>214166503
I suspect that Slavic I2-L621 may also come from Ukrainian HG, as well as Yamnaya rich I2-L699, but yes, these are different lines that diverged a long time ago. I did not deny it

>>214166503
vgh
what could have been….
I’m not mad at I1’s success though

>>214166671
Sir, I1 is Iberian exclusive and couldn't have expanded like the Epigravettians.
I was mostly chalking up game on how corded ware were probably retarded ruralites and Yamnaya were elite.

>>214162897 (OP)
What makes them european?

>inb4 christianity
Of christianity, only catholicism and protestantism are western, that's why they are called western christianity. Everything else is oriental and non-european.

>>214166558
>Q inherit all the Bagration titles
>the Golden Age of Georgia stops IMMEDIATELY
wow, so much for the Aryan elite positions

>>214165501
>>214165553
Why do you guys love haplo autism so much it doesn’t matter to me as a white man. I simply don’t need to prove it.
>>214166499
You guys are like barbarians just look at this..

>>214166623
Irrelevant, just some whores who exist everywhere. Finnish men should marry Papua New Guinean women to restore the K2 ancestral phenotype and genotype.

>>214162897 (OP)
I think generally they aren't considered white, but it is a bit ambiguous

>>214166808
>as a white man
you’re beige

>>214162897 (OP)
they are their own thing

>>214165977
>gypsies
kek surprising that there's actually one gypsy scientist

>>214166547
>do not redeem circassian maidens

>>214166766
>what makes them European
Geographic location and autochtonousness
duh

>>214166975
Pajeets have half the cranial capacity and 1/10 of the muscle density of Epigravettians. There is no meaningful similarity.

>>214162897 (OP)
God no.

>>214167081
yes we are, chud
and there’s nothing you can do

Europeans are being brainwashed to hate their ancestors, the WHG and the EHG because Georgian-Anatolian genetic viruses SLC24A5 and SLC45A2 are near-fixed in Europeans.
No, these viruses don't make you European they make Europeans less European.

They are DAĞBOĞA

>>214167156
>saaar I’m European saaar
really shameful display not gonna lie.
Ironically this proves you’re not.
Still the EU propaganda sure did a number on some of the younger kids who didn’t know left from right thankfully it didn’t work out when they were asking for opening that second front and basically the Ukraine scenario is impossible here since we have a live example of how a country can be senselessly sacrificed for no reason at all.

>>214167340
Wonner no why the Welsh are so coco

>>214167365
stop pontificating in every post, chud
not gonna read you cringe Jeremiads

>>214152209
>>214152259
It's real

>>214167365
>a live example of how a country can be senselessly sacrificed for no reason at all.
Imagine how it feels to a Ukrainian citizen when you watch your country getting slaughtered and used like a pawn by Westoids. Depressing as hell to me when I see Ukrainians believing that the EU will accept Ukraine as a member or that anybody will invest there, like a religious cult thinking that the 2nd coming of Christ is gonna happen any day now

>>214167396
I think they just lack hair depigmentation alleles.
SLC45A2 is the main driver of complexion difference between Europeans and Middle Easterners, but (((Circassians))) and Jews have more of it than Italians(pie in Russia/Ukraine are Jews).

>>214167399
>pontificating
Not opinions albeit facts.
>>214167462
A lot of people don’t realize that once a war begins war regime takes over and priorities shift toward survival military spending and resource allocation.
In that state normal economic logic like attracting foreign investment long term development projects or business expansion tends to collapse.
The ones gaining benefits are naturally the Russians and of course the Americans and their military industrial complex including some people who are making a lot of money off that.
They both benefit.
Only ones who don’t benefit are naturally the country in question getting sacrificed and Europeans, in fact the circumstances are so ridiculous you would think the US and Russia collaborated just to fuck over Europe though I guess that’s reaching a bit exaggerated on my part.

>>214167811
How are Russians benefitting? They pour money and lose their own citizens to capture devastated land whose population already fled either to West Ukraine or to the EU. Sure, the EU got fucked by energy price and it still has to bankroll Ukrainian military but the EU got a a vassal state and a few millions of cheap slave labourers who won't cause butthurt among the West Europeans. The EU is nowhere as close to being a loser in this conflict as Ukraine itself, losses of which are just so colossal in the financial, human and territorial sense that Georgian loss of Abkhazia and Osetia look like a joke next to the damage inflicted upon Ukraine. This is not 1939 and there will be no post-war recovery, all the fertile women and a lot of working age men already fled.

>>214167985
Politically.
If we measure Russia’s position in purely material losses yes shit looks grim they are spending astronomical sums, losing tens of thousands of men, and taking on the burden of administering territories that are devastated.

Yet when the conflict is viewed through political lens Russia is in fact reaping a number of significant benefits the war has revived their great power narrative which entails beating a nation that was supported by all of NATO with this narrative Moscow ensures that it remains a global actor that cannot be ignored the image it projects both domestically and internationally is that Russia still belongs in the ranks of the world’s decisive powers.
the war has allowed the Kremlin to consolidate domestic control. Under the banner of wartime necessity dissent is suppressed opposition is neutralized and the population is rallied around a sense of national survival also this conflict steadily erodes European unity. Every debate inside the EU over sanctions, energy policy, or the financing of Ukraine exposes fissures which they can exploit.
They have also leveraged the war to present itself as a leader of the so-called Global South and through food and energy diplomacy and by invoking anti colonial rhetoric Russia has gained sympathy or at least neutrality from countries in Africa, Asia, and Latin America which also undermines Western efforts to isolate them and reinforces its status as a pole of resistance to Western hegemony.
from a purely political standpoint, human losses are less relevant to Russia than territorial and demographic gains, expansion and reintegration and in that context casualties are treated as a cost the state is willing to absorb. Despite the military losses, Russia is able to occupy and claim large swaths of land in eastern and southern Ukraine and maybe even much more depending on how things end.
each annexed region represents a win.

>>214168329
>tens of thousands of men
oops meant hundreds of thousand* kek but they really don’t care that’s been their mentality throughout history anyway