Thread 214642946

>What language(s) are you learning?
>Share language learning experiences!
>Ask questions about your target language!
>Help people who want to learn a new language!
>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!
>Make frens!

Read the wiki:
https://4chanint.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

Useful links:
>Free language‐learning book archive:
https://mega.nz/folder/INlRkAQC#CthKI9-_kmDNyrOx12Ojbw
>Books on linguistics and language courses:
https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ
>Assorted language resources and some nice visual guides:
https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua
>Torrents with more resources than you’ll ever need for 30 plus languages:
https://archive(dot)ph/x0dFH
>Russianon’s list of comprehensible input resources:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec
>Massive collection of textbooks on various languages, sorted by family
https://theswissbay.ch/pdf/Books/Linguistics/
>/lang/ inpoot torrents
https://rentry.org/inpoot
>Refold Anki decks
https://rentry.org/refold

Go before : >>214569663

Gonna make acronyms to identify phonetic vowels in diacritics

NcNbrv is /ʊ/ as in the adjective :
>सुंदर।
CBrv is /u/ as in the proper noun :
>जूलिया।

>>214643183
what

>>214643319
I am gonna set a configuration of mnemonic bridges to acronyms standing for phonetic vowels represented by devanagari diacritics

https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/search?q=Devanagari#characters

Translation challenge
>Easy
Where did I park my car?
I got lost in the supermarket. It's too big and complicated.
My flight is in an hour and a half.
Why do you think she acted like that?

>Medium
I've heard some worrying things about Ireland. Is it as bad as they say?
My elderly father got scammed by a Nigerian prince.
I paid my fee for the course, but I haven't gotten a confirmation email yet.

>Hard
The police were suspicious because I didn't have my passport. They interrogated me for 15 very long minutes. Thankfully, I was able to convince them it was all a misunderstanding and they released me without charge.

>>214643657
gtg soon so I'll just do a few
>Où est-ce que j'ai garé ma voiture?
>Je me suis perdu dans le hypermarché. C'est trop grand et compliqué.
>Mon vol est dans une heure et demi.
>Pourquoi est-ce que tu pense qu'elle a agi comme ça?

>>214643657
मैंने आपनी कार कहाँ पार्क की।

The perfect participle inflection of करना should be कीर/कीहऽ not की.

>>214643460
NearcloseNearbackroundedvowel?

3 hours of Norwegian study done.
Life is good.
Gonna have some choccy milk and then start my Japanese study.
We are gonna make it bros

>the bengali first person singular pronoun is actually the old first person plural
wtf

>>214643657
>ئاددىي
ماشىنام قەيەردە توختىتىپ قويدىم؟
ماگازىندا ئېزىپ قالدىم. بەك چوڭ بەك چىگىش
ئايروپىلانىم بىر يېرىم سائەت ۋاقتى بار
idk

>中级
我关于爱尔兰听说过很多让人不安心的故事。真像人说的那么破烂吗?
我年大的爸爸被尼日利亚王子骗了
我已交了学费,但还没收到缴费确认通知书

>难
因为没带护照,警察很怀疑我。给我十五分钟的讯问,感觉时间过得很慢。可巧,我凑合了让他们觉得是误会了,免罪释放了我

I fucking love Portuguese. Lusophone culture and literature are so interesting. The best part is that I don't feel like a retard around native speakers like I do with German or Russian

>>214645805
You replaced thou and now we have y'all and yous

The past month I've swapped studying 5 Thai vocab words per day for 5 new sentences per day. My vocab base was around 1000 before starting this.

Is this a good trade? I'm not sure my Thai feels any better than studying vocab but then again I'm at the stage where progress feels slow right?

>>214648716
What are your goals with Thai, if you don't mind me asking?

>>214648752
Marry into the royal family and use my background and influence to drive out Western and Chinese influence while also shifting towards a more sustainable mode of tourism like that of Bhutan.

What happened to the American anon who wanted to be a Russian gangster? Need a progress update.

The Greek language is so cool I wish they didn't forget how to make remotely worthwhile media after the Cold war

>>214648886
Interesting

I was looking up the etymology of the word "Texas" and found out that the last native speaker of the language from which it originated died less than two months ago

>>214643992
Yeah.

Languages I'm interested in: German, Norwegian-Swedish, Japanese, Portuguese, Italian, French, Spanish, Russian. I'll have to give up about half of them if I want to master the remaining half of the languages at a decent level

Languages i'm interested in: German, French, Norwegeo-Swedo-Dane, Japanese, Icelandic, Spanglish
Languages I'm interested in learning: German, French

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I wanna torrent and read Céline, une vie parisienne but somehow it's on none of the usual places? Any other aspiring French learners had better luck finding it?

Languages I'm interested in: French, German, Italian, Greek, Latin, Russian, Polish, Dutch, Swedish, Spanish, Portuguese, Finnish, Georgian, Arabic, Persian, Sanskrit, Chinese, Japanese
I cannot actually learn all these but I must dabble to some extent

>>214652294
How dare you shill an open source program when refoldgrifting is right there?

ئۈستگە

found a nice little channel for European Portuguese comprehensible input
https://www.youtube.com/@portuguesetune/videos

>>214643657
>easy

¿Donde está mi choche?

¿Donde estoy en la supermercado? ¡Es muy grande! .No me gusta.

.Mi avion sale hoy.

.Estoy muy enojado. .Ella es... muy molesta. .Si, si. .Ella no me gusta.

What do you guys think about my pronounciation?
https://voca.ro/1h9XGVwJ6mhD

>>214654429
German > Swedish, Dutch
Russian > Polish
More content, more people. The exception is if you live next to a community speaking another Slavic or Germanic language, or if you are fascinated by that particular language
French > Portuguese, Italian. You live in Canada
Japanese > Finnish, Greek, Georgian, Arabic, Persian
Latin > Sanskrit

>>214658205
that's pretty much what I'm thinking, I will focus on French, German, and probably Russian eventually. then Italian and Greek just because I like them. possibly Japanese, I already started to learn it years ago. and the others would probably just be minor dabbling

>>214643859
bon boulot

>>214657741
Your microphone is terrible. Your pronunciation in terms of the basic sounds is very good. The only words that jumped out to me were image (where you pronounced the final syllable like "mage" (a wizard) instead of muhj), and to a lesser extent, bulletin (where the -tin should sound similar to the word "tin" by itself--in other words, with very slight aspiration--whereas yours sounded like "bulledin"). The biggest thing that would make your reading sound more natural would be to use a more natural rhythm with less disjointedness. You're also speaking in a nasally voice, and an unconfident way, which makes you come across as stereotypically "nerdy" or "geeky." Improving your rhythm and (to a lesser extent) intonation would help with that impression.

>>214654916
>refoldgrifting
You know the refold shit in the op is pirated decks right? I dont think anyone reads the op anyway lol.
To add I think all of you are retarded and I dont listen to your advice :P

>>214643657
Donde está el baño? Aparqué cerca de ello.
Donde está el baǹo? Me desvié en el supermercado y no lo encuentro. Es demasiado grande y complicado.
Mi vuelo sale en una hora y medía, donde está el baño?
Por qué crees que ella actuó así? Tal vez no podía encontrar donde está el baño?

He oido unas cosas turbia sobre Irlanda. Es cierto que no tienen baños publicos?
Un principe nigeriano estafó a mi viejo, le vendió un mapa de los baños falsa
Pague por el curso pero todavia no me han explicado donde está el baño

La polícia sospechaba de mí, porque no sabía donde estaba el baño. Me interrogaron durante 15 largos minutos. Hojalá les pudo convencer que era todo malentendimiento y me soltaron sin acusas.

>>214657741
>https://voca.ro/1h9XGVwJ6mhD
mostly "images" and "register" stuck out to me

>>214659250
So rude

>>214659489
kek'd irl

been studying spanish lately although i always considered romance languages kind of uninteresting and somewhat mid besides the fact that they all sound great, and the more i learn about spanish grammar, the more i like it.
i hereby apologize to all spanish speakers in the entire world

do Japanese people normally say "hai" as often as she does?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuVGQDJOwHU

>>214660425
isn't that just "yes"?

>>214660524
yes, but she says it after practically every sentence. maybe just because of this context of slowly teaching and repeating things

>>214658980
Thanks for your helpful, detailed input. I'm aware there's something off with it but i wasn't quite sure where to put my finger at.

>>214659508
Thank you for your contribution, anon.

>>214660425
>>214660563
isn't it considered rude not to do that in japanese

I never noticed how vowels and the variance in pronounciation of "t" were so hard to get right in spoken english.
Probably something to do with portuguese?

>>214662162
I just realized the other day that "bottle" is pronounced almost like "boddle". I never noticed the nuances before

>>214660425
When I would go to my Japanese friends house, he would talk to his mum in Japanese.
Practically 90% of what he would say to her was "hai".

>>214662162
Just copy whatever people from Manchester do. Its the accent of the future (alcoholics).

>>214648716
Damn is my question just really stupid or does no one have a good answer

>>214659250
>waaah your joke wasn’t perfectly logical

>>214662480
I prefer studying vocab via sentences. So this seems reasonable. Studying isolated words is borderline useless.

>>214662800
American humour be like [statement]

I have been lurking this board for a while, it is actually hilarious how you guys are both more autistic and less productive than those heathens on r/languagelearning. I am convinced all language learning spaces are full of idiots.

>>214662941
Stfu retard

>>214663160
He actually made fun of me last thread for being too busy going to Latin mass and reading Latin to remember to shitpost in English on /lang/.

>>214663231
In fairness that is even gayer than posting here.

>>214663160
>I am convinced all language learning spaces are full of idiots.
How many languages do you speak, wise one?

>>214663427
3: English obviously, Czech because I am part Czech and Swedish because I thought there would be baddies there (there is not, most Swedish women look like Greta does now)

>>214663623
>Czech because I am part Czech
How do you feel about Canadians fetishizing your language/country?

>>214663729
>small sample
>online surveys
>say they are hyperpolyglots plus a bunch of other rare characteristics
>"I'm a gay left-handed retard with ligma and I speak 20 languages"
the lizardman constant

>>214663729
I have a cat allergy. That is about it really. I guess I might be autistic, but I can look people in the eyes and I am a pretty good wagie. I have a pretty cool job which involves going to Sweden a lot.

>>214663768
>How do you feel about Canadians fetishizing your language/country?
Good for them. Its an alright country. Random little towns where grandparents and shit live are way cooler than Prague or the more touristy areas. Tourist areas are full of Romani, Turk and other Arab scammers.

>>214662162
Anglophone (or at least I'm speaking for Americans), thinking about t sounds is not very precise. We don't think in terms of aspirated and non-aspirated t sounds, or t turning into a d sound. We think in terms of proper degree of annunciation. For example (>>214662380), if you aspirated the t sound (think "bah"+"toll"), it would sound over-annunciated and ridiculous except in those contexts (primarily certain styles of singing) where over-annunciation is expected. On the other hand, pronouncing "bulletin" as "bulledin" sounds muddled and lacking the expected annunciation. You can probably figure out some rules

>>214662380
I don't think "bottle" is a true d sound. Compare words that have a "tt" in the middle versus those with a "dd" in the middle. For example, "meddle" versus "mettle." We naturally pronounce these words differently, and we can hear a difference between these sounds, but at the higher level of thinking, we paper over these differences using our overly simplistic alphabet.

>>214663924
When I visit your country I'll make sure to visit your grandma

>>214664162
She doesn't like brown people, so as long as you are white you should be fine.

>>214664303
I am, that's one of the things I like about your country

>>214663924
I was in Prague like 3 years ago and didn’t see middle easterners. Karlstejn is a great little village btw in terms of tourism, there should still be this antique shop on the road to the castle owned by an old Jewish couple that sells a bunch of Nazi artifacts, among other things, at very good prices. I’ve been all around much of the countryside though.

>>214664535
>an old Jewish couple that sells a bunch of Nazi artifacts
Curious

>>214657741
Turn off the audio settings.

Is learning Japanese worth it? I want to read Suugaku Golden (kino btw) but the translation team that were doing that abandoned it, so raws are my only choice.
I also want to play some untranslated weeb vidya,

>>214663623
Swedish women are He-mans?

>>214643657
I know I have spelling errors, I can't be fucked to switch to a french keyboard.


>Ou est-ce que j'ai garé ma voiture?

>J'ai devenu perdu dans la supermarché. Elle est trop grande et compliqué.

>Mon vol est dans une heure et demi.

>Pourquoi crois-tu qu'elle avait un compartement comme ça?

>J'ai entendu des choses inquetant de L'Irelande... Est-ce que c'est si mauvais comment les gens disent?

>Mon pere âgé etait arnaqée par un prince nigerian.

>J'avais payé le frais pour le cours, mais je n'ai pas recu un conformation encore.

>La police etait suspiceux parce-que je n'avais pas mon passeport. Ils m'ont interrogé pour 15 minutes longue. Heureusment, j'ai reussi de les convaincre que c'etait tous un malentendu et ils m'ont laissé sans m'inculpé.

>>214664995
My french isn't good enough to correct most of this, but I know
>pour 15 minutes longue
Should be
>pendant 15 longues minutes

>>214662380
>>214663998
the sound you're hearing in bottle (at least in general american dialects) is a "tapped r", or more specifically a voiced alveolar tap.
/d/ is pretty close when it comes to tongue/mouth articulation, which is why it might sound similar.

>>214649866
He moved to Thailand where he trains muay thai. He has a yt channel.

>>214664995
>J'ai devenu perdu dans la supermarché. Elle est trop grande et compliqué.
Je me suis perdu. Il. grand. compliqué
>Pourquoi crois-tu qu'elle avait un compartement comme ça?
*t'as crus qu'elle a eu
>J'ai entendu des choses inquetant de L'Irelande... Est-ce que c'est si mauvais comment les gens disent?
inquiétant. comme les gens le-disent.
>Mon pere âgé etait arnaqée par un prince nigerian.
Mon vieux père a été arnaqué. Nigérian.
>J'avais payé le frais pour le cours, mais je n'ai pas recu un conformation encore.
les frais. mais je n'ai pas encore reçu la confirmation.
>La police etait suspiceux parce-que je n'avais pas mon passeport. Ils m'ont interrogé pour 15 minutes longue. Heureusment, j'ai reussi de les convaincre que c'etait tous un malentendu et ils m'ont laissé sans m'inculpé.
était suspicieuse. intérrogé pendant 15 minutes. j'ai réussi à les convaincre que c'étais un malentendu.

nice try

>>214665625
Link?

>>214666299
Are you a chud? Otherwise, you won't enjoy it.

>>214666451
I will

>>214666538
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wKiTelkTBRc&pp=2AYG

>>214666630
Thanks

>>214664703
Every japanese media feels much better without translation, so if youre a weeb this is your natural choice

>>214646089
You're supposed to actually translate via learning, bong.

When you can read jajuz posts, you will be fluent in Polish.

>>214643183
>phonetic
>uses phonemic notation

I need to speak English at work, would anyone learning Spanish be interested in speaking with me? The goal is to be a bit more fluent and less awkward when talking.

I'm a guy in his 30s, fairly educated and am serious about learning, don't care if you are a guy or a gall. Already tried "language apps" and they are awful.

>>214665572
and also why ESLs approximate using /d/

>>214658980
>The biggest thing that would make your reading sound more natural would be to use a more natural rhythm with less disjointedness.
>the thing that would fix your pronunciation is fixing your pronunciation
big if true

bump

Do you ever listen to two things in your TL at the same time?

>>214650757
caddo kawa

>>214670061
no, I'm not that insane

>>214670283
You could be learning twice as fast

>>214667294
Translation?

>>214670721
>kurwa ja nie chcę znów iść kurwa do pracy pomóżcie mi błagam was ja już nie mogę
>fuck i don't want to go to fucking work again help me guys im begging you i cant do this anymore

>>214667866
I was more specific than that. By rhythm I mean to speak more fluently, without careless pausing and stumbling, and to make sure the words have proper rhythms. Phonetically and in terms of things like word accent his reading was mostly quite good.

I already miss Canadian female jordie

I'm the anti-jordie. Permanently hyperfixated to one language. Been learning TL on /lang/ for years.

>>214671016
She wasn't a jordie because she picked a lang

>>214657741
How many American YouTubers do you watch? I can barely hear your accent except on the words register and images

>>214671463
Which one was it ?

Bampu

>>214667549
Care to elaborate what do you mean? I am not diferencing homophones.

/f/ is not proper working since the hacking.

Spanish bros, how often would you use ¿ and ¡ when you are writing casually, texting, using something like discord or online games etc?
I ask because I was taught you always use ¿ and ¡ even in informal discussion but on 4chan nobody ever uses these punctuation symbols and once I even got mocked on /lat/ for using the ¿

Also while I'm here did you know that originally Proto-Indo-European had 2 grammatical genders, animate / inanimate, and yes you could actually tell what gender any given thing was based on whether it moved or not.
How fucking far Indo-European languages have since fallen, with genderless languages, 3 gender languages, common/neutral gender, masculine and feminine genders that in no way line up with whether a given object is actually masculine or feminine...
I wonder how, when and why people started breaking that original sensible animate/inanimate gender system

>>214674346
iirc the feminine came from the inanimate plural being used for abstract nouns, which eventually split into a third gender.

>>214674346
Given that the features of PIE were mostly dreamed up by academics based on almost non-existent evidence I suspect that it came out more regular than it actually was in practice.
Is a river animate or inanimate? What about the sun, the moon, plants and abstract things? Does hatred move on its own?

>>214667059
wat

I'm pretty racist and all, but if I were a yank I would definitely learn the local indigenous language. They're cool and would make me feel extra connected to the land

ئۈستگە بارىڭ!

>>214671835
I believe she got czeched

>>214677286
That shit is too hard and not enough resources. Trust me. I learned a language that is considered one of the hardest in the world, and, after my experience with two of them, I've come to the conclusion that Indigenous North American languages are worse.

>>214677286
Even if you view other races as inferior (which is a pretty cringe thing to even care about) it's still useful to learn the language of those you deem inferior to you.
I'm learning French, for example.

>>214680786
Ahahahh alri de boyo xx

this portguese cunt is a queer and reports people who say shit he doesnt like

>>214681469
He's not as bad as the Brit who shit posts about learning languages.

I replied ONE time "reported" as a joke and I got banned for it because it's apparently its against the rules to do that

>>214682157
I've been banned for simply bumping this general
Tbqh not sure if it was that because the ban reason was just "spam" with no post reference

>>214664995
Check windows language settings. Windows key + space should be your go-to muscle memory. I don't know how baguette works but every piece of orthography should be only one extra stroke away regardless of your physical keyboard.

>>214682157
But that's not fair. It's only against the rules to "[reply] to a thread stating that you've reported... another post." Simply declaring that a post was reported without specifying the agent who reported it isn't explicitly against the rules.

>>214680786
>it's still useful to learn the language of those you deem inferior to you.
>I'm learning French, for example.
I lol'd

>>214671016
I miss her too :(
Such a sausage fest without her

>>214682827
I'm not even sure what purpose that rule serves other than to just give the jannies something to do.
I still think it's funny if someone posts something lame like "I'm a biological male/female" and someone replies "reported" as a joke obviously, it seems the jannies don't find that very funny.

>>214671016
She seemed lowkey underage and/or autistic. Probably went back to school now that summer is over.

Anyone know of good high beginner low intermediate content in Thai? So far I've been watching SpongeBob and Thai dudes traveling around Africa vlogs

I am learning Classical Manchu. It’s fun

>>214685893
https://buleku.org/home
https://www.manchustudiesgroup.org/
https://manc.hu/en
https://barbarismmethod.wordpress.com/2022/09/11/an-autodidacts-guide-to-teaching-yourself-manchu-for-academic-purposes-if-you-know-english-and-chinese/
https://www.saksaha.org/

you would probably find these websites useful, I have them from when I had a year-long dabble in Manchu

>>214684883
Have you looked at this channel?

https://www.youtube.com/@ComprehensibleThai

Is this thing good for shadowing? I'd like to plug it into my speakers.
Some guy in an earlier thread recommended the bose quiet comfort 35, but I read that it needs to be recharged in order to use noise canceling, even if you're using it wired.

Anyone have free resources to learn German (A1) ? Free pls

>>214688087
deutsch nach der naturmethode
assimil german
both are easy to pirate

>>214686112
>Actually posts resources
We need more Brits like you here instead of the faggot who posts about "le failed languages learners."

>>214688195
I can’t pirate things and I have no friends but ok I will look if I can find a free off or something

>>214688496
literally just use anna's archive
dndnm is on archive.org
https://archive.org/details/deutsch-nach-der-naturmethode_202312

>>214688496
PDF **

>>214688496
here's the one I got, comes with audio so it's quite large, and download speed is slow
https://annas-archive.org/md5/a0cc70d8ca038d5ace595c0ecfa04cb3

>>214688627
also for this book, there is audio for the first few chapters here
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLf8XN5kNFkhc0J7rC_vQMUBIVdaj---V5

>>214688087
https://learngerman.dw.com/ of course
also https://www.languagetransfer.org/german which isn't a standalone course, but it's useful

Does anyone have a cracked pleco apk?

Thanks Canada and Ukraine anons for helping me who can’t hack

>>214671016
>anonymously simping
do you really

Swedish bros, any youtube channel recommendations? Anything related to gaming, technology, psychology, history, video essays in general.

It seems a lot of Swedes choose to do content in English because it's a bigger market.

>>214686336
Yea it's just so boring. Thanks for replying though

German or Norwegian today? One has more content, the second one is easier
I've missed Canadian fem Jordie, fuk

>>214693939
>I've missed Canadian fem Jordie, fuk
I don't get the hype
She just wanted to learn Czech

>>214694104
>Czech
Czech is cool. What are you learning?

>>214693939
Norwegian

I am actually so upset

>>214694104
I sympathize with all the Jordans here
>>214694574
Ok, so English, Japanese and Norwegian. I hope they gonna do backflis when I say ha det bra and oyl takk

>>214693939
Deutsch, you get 3 countries unlocked

>>214695106
But I'm already learning English and doing a little Japanese

>>214693939
Maybe she’ll come back someday and write in Czech or something

>>214695306
Ahoj, jak se máš?

cesky jezyk je kakaovy chlebicek

>>214696380
This is what Borat says

>>214696574
Is that supposed to be a bad thing? It sounds nice

>>214688195
>deutsch nach der naturmethode
it has grammar mistakes and appears to be a forgery
Studien und Plaudereien ( https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/22160 ) maybe is old, but authentic and much longer. Italian and French contemporaneous counterparts of Deutsch nach der Naturmethode (Jensen's) don't appear to have grammar mistakes, but still sound archaic (Italian for example uses "non avere che")

>>214694797
what level are you at after that long?

>>214697415
how can you tell it's a forgery?

>>214674164
It's dropped entirely in casual settings, since most questions are short you can see the '?'. Accents are also dropped, but not as much, you may have noticed this. It also doesn't help that most Spanish speakers cannot properly write their own language.

I'd suggest only using '¿' when writing formal texts or emails, nobody really cares outside of those settings. But I'd advise against dropping accents since it could hinder your learning.
>>214663160
>you guys are both more autistic and less productive than those heathens on r/languagelearning
And you'd be right. Which is why I barely drop by the thread to help anons learning Spanish, hopefully they've found some other place to actually learn the language.

>>214697951
initially i just had such a feeling. it doesn't have IPA like the other books. then, I found out about Dansk efter naturmetoden, also released by the Ayan academy, the IPA transcription is total bullshit. of course, the convention is different, there are different symbols and the vowels changed a lot in the past decades, but the way lenition is described in it is completely different than on wiktionary, it might as well be AI generated.

>>214698427
very strange that they would forge such a thing instead of simply releasing a new book. but the German one has a less detailed title page and lacks a preface, compared to English/French/Italian. goodreads only lists those 3 in the series
https://www.goodreads.com/series/297442-languages-by-the-nature-method

the font is different in German, and the text at the top of the page can be misaligned

>>214699544
this comment claims the German is translated from the English. I don't know how true that is, or if French and Italian were also close to English to begin with. but it's at least true English and German have 2 named kids and the unnamed baby/Das Baby, while French and Italian have 4 named kids

>>214699674
English/Italian/French use em dashes for blank words in the exercises, while German uses hyphens

>>214643657
Haven't seen one of these in eons
Я cлышaл мнoгo тpeвoжных вeщeй oб Иpлaндии. Heyжeли тaм дeйcтвитeльнo тaк плoхo, кaк гoвopят?
Moeгo cтapoгo oтцa oбмaнyл нигepийcкий пpинц
Я зaплaтил зa кypc, нo я нe пoлyчил имeлй c пoдтвepждeниeм
Пoлиция пoдoзpeвaeт мeня, тaк кaк y мeня нe был пacпopт. Meня дoпpaшивaли в тeчeниe 15 oчeнь дoлгих минyт. Mнe к cчacтью yдaлocь yбeдит их, чтo вcё этo былo нeдopaзyмeниeм, и мeня oтпycтили бeз oбвинeния

How do I get to write this good?

>>214701093
it's so funny to me that in english good writing is when you string together a lot of latin words. truly the language of the soulless

I swear I've heard French people pronounce "in"/"im" in two different ways, [œ̃] or [ɛ̃]. I usually hear [œ̃] in Youtube videos but Wiktionary only has [ɛ̃] for words like "intéressant" etc.

>>214701544
anglos desperately wish they were descendants of romans. well, should've not exchanged british romance for an ugly anglosaxon-norse-norman french creole.

>>214701798
most french people don't pronounce [ɛ̃]. itˈs [æ̃], [ã] or somethinɡ, sometimes it even sounds like [ɔ̃], even the "in" vowel which isn't supposed to be a front rounded vowel.

>>214701898
I see, this video seems to explain it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdMORya9Z_A
I'm going with the sound that isn't [ɛ̃] because it's easier, and it sounds more familiar for "un" (1)

I psyopped the library into expanding their TL collection. They went from 3 books in TL to 10 since the start of 2025.

>>214701544
>in english good writing is when you string together a lot of latin words.
People who write this way usually just come off pretentious to native speakers. It’s midwit writing. They often also dislike Tolkien, who wrote about as heavily with Germanic roots as is really possible.

>>214703589
based tolkien. fuck latin and latin languages. bunch of gay degenerate pedos

>>214680786
>Even if you view other races as inferior
An opinion

>(which is a pretty cringe thing to even care about)
A deep emotional attachment to that opinion

Two unconnected concepts. Like saying “even if you think the coasts of Africa and South America line up (an observation) it’s a pretty cringe thing to care about.” In this way you implicitly tie belief/opinion to cringe emotionalism. I won’t even call you ESL for this because most Native speakers do this too (being unable to differentiate between beliefs and values) because our education on critical thinking and logic is horrible.

Bros, where are all the spanish youtubers?
I keep searching, and I even watch the videos, but now youtube only wants to suggest me spanish incel videos because I clicked on one - when english incel videos are better.
What are actually GOOD spanish channels where it's someone speaking rapidly with slang and not just some guy sitting at a camera talking at me clearly?

>>214703589
but somehow shakespeare is never called pretentious for the same reasons. if the oxford dictionary is to be believed (it is not) then a lot of english words have first been popularized by him and his works. i get that his whole deal was that he was good at using different registers of english, but it is also said that he coined words which largely were just latin words with affixes.
>greatest writer of the english
>wishes he were french

>>214704720
He lived 500 years ago and the dynamic relationship between Latin and the average person was totally different then. Plus a lot of his works were based on Latin texts.

It’s totally different for a society where everyone learned can read Latin to introduce Latinity into the language. It’s basically how it entered German too. That’s very different from someone in 2025 overusing Latinate words in an attempt to sound intelligent. Also Shakespeare’s usage and prose broke new ground, and sits among the pinnacle of the language.

>>214704720
>wishes he were french
Should’ve addressed this before. Even Old English had a substantial amount of Latin loanwords. Loaning directly from Latin over the centuries has basically nothing to do with the French. Also, you Germans speak a conlang anyways, while the American tongue is free, unregulated, natural, and thereby maintains peerless expressive versatility.

>>214704865
is this only available on mobile phones?

>>214704865
Let me guess, it's available in Beta for 6 languages only?

>>214705084
Even worse, Spanish and French only. But it will converse with you on any topic you request and give you hints on what to say if you get stuck. It will also role-play as service workers while you practice being a tourist who needs to ask as question about something.

>>214705164
Wow.

Just wow.

>>214701278
funny that this guy has Johhny Silverhead avi, because Johnny would hate his guts

मैंने आपनी कार कहाँ पार्क की

>>214705164
Spanish Chads we eating good

I think for a target language since redditors always say to use Harry Potter because it’s a long series that they love, I’m just going to sit down with a contemporary-language edition of the bible in my TL and read the whole thing as my core reading input for the first year since I have entire chapters nearly memorized.

https://youtu.be/i3Hhid-yemY
peak unemployment activity

>>214706369
reading is a waste of time

im thinking of increasing my time in other languages till there is no time for 4chan.

>>214706369
A lot of people learn a language by reading the bible (or, more often, the gospel, which is at least more interesting than the fictional history of the jews). The problem is that the bible tends to be translated in a slightly unnatural old-timey sounding style.

What's your /lang/ related dream guys? Mine is displacing all the arab population in egypt and reviving hieroglyphs (or at least coptic) as the main language

>>214709610
One world language based on rationality and efficiency

>>214709610
Bulgarian should have cases. It's shameful that they're worse at being Slavic than their Romance neighbors.

>>214709765
to compensate for losing cases, Bulgarian has the most conservative verb system of the Slavic languages. It also developed evidentiality for some reason.

Who? created language?

>>214708297
>tends to be
Depends on the translation available I guess. The gospels are specifically the easiest to read, and centered around a lot of intentionally basic phrases of “X went to Y and did Z so that A” type of stuff. It beats Harry Potter lol. I’ve been using it for Latin and even just a couple weeks of reading practice has dramatically opened up the readability of a pretty wide range of texts for me. What a late beginner needs is basically just a shitload of practice comprehending essential wordings/sentences. The Gospels fit that best, but I flipped to a random page of Deuteronomy and found the wording to be substantially the same. Reading all of the narrative texts is at least worthwhile. It’s hilarious that Arguelles spends a whole video talking about the “Harry Potter Stage” of language learning without ever discussing the Bible’s use in this way. For my part, I’m going to read it daily anyways, and I have already read it in English, so I might as well use it as a way to build reading ability.

>>214709610
Latin-based Papal States Zionism

>>214710584
>-йки when the -щ- reflexes are still alive
>both -нe and -ниe
>дaм дaдeш ям ядeш, next thing you know they'll be saying имaм имaдeш
>cъм always clitic but бих often the first word and stressed
>нe гó видях
I want to love it, I really do.

>>214709610
That Portuguese was just Spanish. As it would make the main Romance languages a literal Holy Trinity (Spanish, French, and Italian) and make South American travel a bit more easier.

>>214712405
what do (You) do for fun

why is Turkic so restrictive with what consonants words can start with?
in proto-Turkic, words could only start with b t k ç s y
even in modern Turkic languages, few native words start with these phonemes

>>214713480
*with anything but these phonemes or their descendants

>>214713124
posting baits for yous like every normal human being

>>214713480
Dunno lol

>>214713480
My guess is that it's attributable to linguistic history. These sounds don't have much in common, so it's right to assume that they were motivated by articulatory and perceptual biases in the past. If this was a living restriction in the language, the class would be more homogeneous.
Still, there are some patterns, like no nasals: they tend to be disfavored in this position because they're highly sonorous. This could also explain why out of the obstruents, all but one are voiceless. Word-initial rhotic avoidance is an attested phenomenon too. For example, there are no Rs in native Japanese words, even though it's not exactly clear why.
Take all of this with a grain of salt, because I don't know much about Turkic. But this is what it looks like to me.

>>214712299
Portuguese sounds better than spanish thougheverbeit

>>214712299
nonsense
if you want traveling to be easier then all romance languages should be catalan, no need to learn three

>>214704153
Wtf are you talking about

bump

I'm feeling lazy today and just did Duolingo

>>214704865
I've been saying for a while now that languages are on the verge of being a solved problem. You will be able to communicate with anyone instantly in real time. Social media sites already auto translate foreign content. AI and machine learning translators like DeepL flawless translate idioms into the correct idiom in the target language.
Low level content like light novels, anime, your average shitty tv show, will be translated by AI and simply proof-read/edited by a real person. Those translator jobs are gone. Real translation will become an incredibly niche thing like translation of legal documents that require more specific detail and context than AI can achieve (for now, at least). There is no real reason to learn a language anymore. It's only for people who just enjoy the process.

>>214711081
>Latin-based Papal States Zionism
ah... somnium perfectum...

>>214719833
>Low level content like light novels, anime, your average shitty tv show, will be translated by AI and simply proof-read/edited by a real person.
It only means that the quality of subtitles will decline. It's already happening. Capitalists are greedy and do everything in their power to get rid of as many workers as possible even if it leads to enshittification of the service.

>AI and machine learning translators like DeepL flawless translate idioms into the correct idiom in the target language.
Okay, let AI translate the verb "to shart". Oh wait, most languages simply don't have such a word so it's necessary to use an unwieldy multiword construction. The way ChatGPT deals with translating this verb into Polish is ridiculously bad.
Languages will never be a solved problem. It's impossible to translate many nuances.

>>214719833
Uhh sorry babe, I forgot to bring my airpods. I guess we're going to have to spend our date sitting in silence. Pinche what? No understando Spanishol, comprende? Wait, where are you going??

>>214663160
Oh. This no lang faggot is back. Man, kill yourself my guy. Go learn Punjabi and STFU.

>>214719017
I didn't do shit in my TL today
It's so over

>>214719833
Real time translation is fundamentally impossible due to different sentence structures lol.

>>214719833
And if the person you're talking to doesn't have an airpod?

>>214722441
write one(1) paragraph in your TL.

>>214719833
>and simply proof-read/edited by a real person
Lmao at your optimism

>>214722793
how do they do it at the UN then chud

>>214719833
If anything, legal documents are among the few things that can be translated by AI with a certain level of trust because they use an extremely limited subset of a language, follow very strict formulas, and tend to overuse a certain number of constructions and patterns - just like LLMs do. It's also kind of okay for documentation, scientific papers, official communication, and all that fun stuff that has barely anything to do with how a normal human would use a language 95% of the time. In other scenarios LLMs suck a wall of dicks.

>>214725754
Google "simultaneous interpreting lag time" you retard.

>>214643657

Wo habe ich mein Auto gestellt?
Ich habe mich im Supermarkt verlaufen. Der ist zu weiträumig und daher bisschen unübersichtlich.
Mein Flug wird etwa eine und eine halbe Stunde dauern.
Woran liegt es deiner Meinung nach dass sie so sich benehmen hat?

Hab mir sagen lassen, dass Dinge derzeit in Ireland nicht gut laufen. Gibt's etwas dran oder ist das nur Quatsch?
Mein bejahrter Vater ist der Masche eines nigerianischen Prinz anheimgefallen.
Ich habe meine Gebühr für den Kurs bezahlt aber hab noch nicht eine Bestätigungsemail gekriegt.

Die Polizei haben mir gegenüber Verdacht gehabt weil ich keinen Pass bei mir gehabt habe. Sie haben mich deswegen 15 Minuten verhört. Zum Glück konnte ich sie überzeugen, dass das alle nur ein großes Missverständnis war und sie haben mich draufhin auf freien Fuß gesetzt ohne gegen mich irgendwelche Anklagen zu erheben.

>>214720415
How do you say shart in polish?

>>214722795
That's why they sell them in pairs

Benny Lewis unironically has the best advice. Language learning is just a grind where you continously put yourself in situations where using the language is to your advantage and you try your hardest, and apart from that you do whatever you need to do on the side to help. You retards would have much more success if you spent half the time you spend researching and debating language learning techniques learning the language instead.

>>214733097
And YOU would have much more success if you killed yourself NOW!

if the continental scandinavian languages were conlangs, people would make fun of them for being relexes of english

>can read and write French decently well
>when I try to speak I sound like a 5 year old stroke victim with a stutter
Don't think I'll ever get better at it either. I just can't hold all the words in my head.

in sentences like these, is it strictly necessary to inlcude le, i.e. would it be entirely wrong if you didn't do that?
i guess i'm just wondering in what situations that becomes a thing or what it depends on

>>214734225
...why of english? and we are already making fun of english being a relex of french

>>214733845
I'm giving amazing advice and you would rather we all behave like crabs in a bucket

>>214733845
he's right doe

Noch ein Attentat wurde verübt in den Vereinigten Staaten

>>214735573
von einem scheinbar sehr guten schützen. das war ein sauberer treffer durch die halsschlagader, aber ich bezweifle, dass der schütze wirklich der verhaftete buhmer war.

>>214734410
How are you at listening?

>>214734410
don't be a quitter. apply yourself, coward.

>>214735678
I'm alright if the other person speaks slowly. Hopeless if they go faster though.

>>214736102
Maybe you need to listen more first

I'm just trying to learn languages but happenings keep happening and it's very distracting.

>>214734410
Try to read extensively more, instead of just short excepts, and stuff down the panic as best you can and just do your best talking as much as possible.

>>214736102
What this means is that you know a lot of individual words, and you understand the grammar rationally, but your acquisition is inadequate. Luckily for you, learning words and grammar is the hard part, and acquisition should be a matter of literally just doing French for real, i.e. reading extensively, watching french shows, talking to French people.

>>214736102
Watch French films. Start with OSS 117 and C'est Arrive Pres de Chez Vous.

>>214731517
The russian equivalent is oпoдливитьcя/пycтить пoдливy

>>214735309
>>214735347
No you aren't. You're shit posting and being a crab in the bucket by trolling and demotivating people who want to learn. You've been doing it for a few threads now. Tighten up.

>>214708127
Wow thank you, this is really the kind of thing you'd expect to hear from the mouth of an amerishit

>>214735247
Yes, I believe it perfoms as an auxiliary verb.

>>214670061
I watch anime dubbed in Russian, but it still has the original Japanese audio in the background, so that way I can learn two languages at the same time

>>214735294
the syntax is pretty englishy.

What is the fastest way to learn a language? I don't care about culture history or anything like that. I want to speak and work in the language and obtain a c1 certificate to move to another country. Please help.

Hello there. I want to inform you that I haven't learned even a bit of German this summer. Thank you. Bye.

>>214731517
pierdnąć i popuścić. in one word, the closest equivalent would be popuścić 'involuntarily piss/defecate a little'.

>>214697415
what are some of the mistakes?

>Usted
Why do Spanish speakers switch to the third person when directly speaking formally to someone?

>>214745766
it's a phonetically simplified honorific, "vuestra merced"
in Italian Lei - implying "vostra signoria" etc.

>>214740047
lmao I don't know who you think I am but that's not me. I only give great advice as I did yesteday.

>>214701544
ahem

Is there anything like the hover-over dictionary browser add-ons or similar for e-book reading apps for Dutch? I have experience using them for Japanese (I think I use Yomichan on my phone), but I'm learning Dutch casually right now and would like to have access to easy dictionary tools. Also, any spicy Dutch novels to consider reading?

>>214746555
What advice did you give that was good then?

>>214750429
I don't get it, but I'm just learning it to talk with my buddy more.

वहाँ एक शहर है।

क्या tf हर लोग has leave the thread
>>214744294
Go around speakers and get a dictionary book

>>214744294
The fastest way is to study for 8 hours a day and treat it like a full-time job. The total number of hours you need to acquire a language never really changes, you can only control how much per day you're willing to grind. There's no reason to rush anyway, your TL country will still be there in 3-5 years so take the scenic route and let yourself enjoy the journey. Also, work on your other marketable skills because if all you can be is a dishwasher in Italy, that's all you're going to be in Germany or any other country, except with a language barrier and constant bureaucratic bullshit to deal with.

>>214749610
Yomitan is the successor that works for all languages.
Language Reactor also works well as a reader and hover dictionary on YouTube/Netflix/local videos.

What do you do if there's not a single TL speaker in your city to practice with

>>214756080
Go to the airport, wait for a flight from TL country to arrive, hold up a sign "free taxi" in TL, give them a lift and have a conversation, exchange contact info if it goes well. Repeat, if it doesn't.

>>214756354
There are no flights from the place my TL is spoken to my airport + I'm not doing that

>>214756354
That actually genius fun way to find new friends in your TL. I would totally do it if I wasn't a basement dweller.

>>214756708
For real though, just use the Internet. If you need a lot of feedback and someone to lead the conversation, get a tutor. If you're high level already, just join random TL Discord servers related to your other interests/hobbies (not language learning specifically, those are full of beginner casuals).

>>214754949
>Yomitan is the successor that works for all languages.
ty for that one, serbro. i'm using it for latin now and it's great. i can rely on cactus2000 a little less now and let wiktionary carry me to heaven. tē amō

>>214756080
Move to London an no matter how obscure the language there will be at least a few dozen

>>214759443
Yeah there are lots in London (even like 5 or 6 restaurants opened by them lol) but none here I think

>>214757686
Yeah a friend introduced me to a few tutors might try it

I was in the south of france and saw a sign on a gate that said something in spanish (I think) with a red no entry sign it read
ch____ de perros. I think it means [Beware] of dogs but what was the CH word it used? It was on a mountainside and in the dark. Can't work out the translation it should be or find the sign on google street view.

Should I watch Harry Potter in my TL

>>214760887
What's the language?

>>214761827
Sure, you have my permission.

>>214762025
Uyghur

>>214763240
The restaurant off of regent street is closed last I know due to cockroaches. Have you ever even seen a cockroach in this country? I haven't. Mental

>>214763325
yeah I have never seen one
every Chinese restaurant I know has got like a 3 or less hygiene rating

>>214642946 (OP)
Test

>>214763415
how do you say that in your TL

Will listening to clear TL content for hundreds of hours eventually help me understand people who mumble and don't enunciate? Or do I need to listen to mumblers specifically?
TL is Spanish

>>214763415
icles

>>214760969
No idea. Beware of dogs should be "Cuidado con los perros".
"de perros" implies is something made out of dogs or for dogs, I can't think of any word that fits

>>214763929
upping the play back speed until you can understand the content at 2x

>>214763929
I think clear audio also helps because you learn to predict what's coming next so this raises your tolerance for noise in the long run.

>>214767747
>langcow

Someone you milk for language (input)?

>>214767839
Lolcow but from /lang/

>>214768980
Why do you think that?

>>214769206
I guess if you have to ask, then maybe I'm still safe from langcow status.
Basically I can't help myself sometimes but to hand out (You)s to people who don't deserve them, particularly people who bring their politics and race bullshit into /lang/ and also accuse me of doing things I never did.

how do you say "blogpost" in your TL

>>214769653
blogpost

Should i learn German after English? Wouldn't it make a mess in my head? Imagine Russian English German grammar together
How do you exactly differ languages in your head? I feel that the best way to learn English is to just forget about Russian as much as that possible and don't use it. And im using such method, it really helps, i hope.
What should i do if i need to use two languages? It seems like a difficult task to deal with.
However i have seen some researches about that specific case and learning two languages together should not cause any problems. But it seems unrealistic for me desu.
What do you think. I need your opinion.
I suppose here are many people who know many different languages on a decent level, so you can help me to figure out this thing.
Im not gonna force anyone to answer on my annoying post. Ik Russian flag is not a good thing to see, my condolences. If i had a choice i would prefer to be born in normal country.
Also, if you are interested i would appreciate to know any methods how to improve my English from my current level. I can't properly rate it. I have only English speaking frens, so they aren't helpful due to friendship. Would you tell something bad to ur fren? No, any person would say something good about ur language skills. Especially, if it's possible to communicate with you.
I haven't had any negative experience with my English. Im pretty sure that my English sucks. I suppose that i encountered only good people because they didn't drop me due to my English capabilities.
In conclusion, i want to say to you that i wrote this post from my head without any thoughts about English grammar, so here are many errors and mistakes.
I don't know when i will be possible to finish English. I want to obtain fluency in English but it seems very impossible in my case. How much time will c1 level take? What's fluency?
I feel some kind of envy to normal people who learned English in their childhood. They are able to speak English without any accent.

>>214772044
Damn. I wanted to write more but i encountered the limit of length per post. Why is it 2000? Or maybe its just limit of read chan idk

>>214749610
You can have google translate and convert your files to .html so that the add on works like normal

>>214772044
>Should i learn German after English?

Yes, you have my permission.

>Wouldn't it make a mess in my head?

No, after a certain point you can easily switch and the languages live in their own separate "bubbles". In the beginning though, you might try to say something in one TL and you reach for a word but it comes out in another language, it's pretty funny.

>>214772044
salve, vexillum russicum. ecce, sententiae meae.
>Should i learn German after English?
why not?
>Wouldn't it make a mess in my head?
no
>How do you exactly differ languages in your head?

>is to just forget about Russian as much as that possible and don't use it.
cūr linguam patriam tuam relinquis?
>What should i do if i need to use two languages? It seems like a difficult task to deal with.
quid?
>learning two languages together should not cause any problems.
less time for each, stick to one
>many people who know many different languages on a decent level,
hōc est vērum, sperō.
>Ik Russian flag is not a good thing to see, my condolences.
please have a spine and a modicum of representing your flag
> know any methods how to improve my English from my current level.
watching, reading, listening, talking and writing more
>They are able to speak English without any accent.
your writing is acceptable, you seem like you can listen and you probably can speak, care a little less about your accent.

Wie kannst du motiviert blieben, wenn du deprimiert bist?

>>214773868
Keine Ahnung, Kumpel. Sprachenlernen ist für mich immer eine gute Ablenkung.
Du musst einfach einen tollen Anime finden oder was auch immer dir Spaß macht.
Macht dir keinen Stress wegen deines Niveau und einfach genieß Dinge in deiner Zielsprache.

I am racist.

>>214742546
>anon discovers language families

>Im learning (language), give me some small words, and I will try to pronounce them not translate
>>Im learning (language), give me some small words, and I will translate.
I don't think I could learn anything without chatgpt now, though grok is better I just dont like its overlay

>>214733097
im literally only learning other languages because Americans find it attractive and I can flirt with women and men from other countries. My dick is the only reason im learning

>>214775587
Well you should stop being one

>>214775945
German is in the same branch of Germanic as English and has considerably different syntax, though.

>>214769653
Блoгпocт.
>>214772044
Get drafted tranny.

HELLO GUYS SHOULD I LEARN BRITISH ENGLISH OR AMERICAN ENGLISH THANKS

It is time to migrate:
>>214777647
>>214777647
>>214777647

>>214777841
>considerably different